Cloud and Aeris were also threw into various other Squaresoft games, even if the game doesn’t relate to the FF7 world, the fact that C/A are in there are still revelance to the FF7 world. AC is not out yet, but maybe it’ll shed some light of what Cloud’s doing. Rather some fans like it or not, I believe that C/A are the true official couple of FF7. Of course, I also will respect other fan’s choice of coupling too. Everyone do have their own liking.
For Cloris fans:
Looks like a lovable future for Cloud and Aeris, makes me smile in a girlish way.
How many of these threads do we need?
But seriously, and no offense meant, I cannot see why this thread should exist. It’s basically the same as the Tifa & Cloud thread. It’ll certainly attract the same responses.
And I really hate to break this to you, but Cloud and Aeris have no future, at least the way it looks.
WTF, I’m letting her have her thread! This is my first post here, and my last!
Cloud and Aerith is a good couple, but I just like Cloud and Tifa much better.
aeriscloud, that’s a beautiful picture you posted up! I like it! It’s your avatar right?
Er TifaGirl, If it wasn’t for Sephiroth, Cloud and Aeris might have been together. Tifa would probably go with someone else..
No facts at all to base it on.
And TifaGirl….WTF you just said they were the official couple?!?!:confused:
Doesn’t WTF stand for what the fuck? :confused: I thought it did.
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Tifagirl, you swore!!!!
Oooooh, your gonna get’n twubble!!!
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Tifagirl, you swore!!!!
Oooooh, your gonna get’n twubble!!!
No really, I just wanted to see if that’s what it stood for! Is it?
Anyway, get on topic, or get out of this thread.
I think that aeris and Cloud make a great couple! and Tifa and Cloud also make a great couple! But in the beginning of the game, when you meet Aeris, it seems that Cloud likes her more. But maybe he was just being nice? :confused:
They both are great couples! To me, you can make Cloud like either of them more, depending on what you say.
Cloud doesn’t seem to be with Tifa, though. They seem to be friends, but not lovers. As far as we know.
Anyway, get on topic, or get out of this thread.
That’s true,, nothing really said they were lovers, if you look at it, they seem to be more close friends. If you look at a few scenes closer though, they obviously care about each other, but it would probably be a little while before they actually got togethor, from tramatic expirience if nothing else.
By the way, I was on topic, and even if I wasn’t, it’s not the end of the world, calm down.
*spoliers*
Aeris’ death was so emotional because of their relationship, I think. Aeris was the first person he could talk to, who didn’t hold anything back. After her death, Cloud was lost. He didn’t know where to start, or where he was going. He actually almost gave up his journey.
Aeris caused Tifa and CLoud to grow apart a little. They might have been good friends once they got back together in AVALANCHE, but Aeris sort of took Tifa’s place, and she obviously kept it, because Cloud still thinks about her. I don’t think Tifa and Cloud will be together, but it’s a possibility,
*spoliers*
Aeris’ death was so emotional because of their relationship, I think. Aeris was the first person he could talk to, who didn’t hold anything back. After her death, Cloud was lost. He didn’t know where to start, or where he was going. He actually almost gave up his journey.
Aeris caused Tifa and CLoud to grow apart a little. They might have been good friends once they got back together in AVALANCHE, but Aeris sort of took Tifa’s place, and she obviously kept it, because Cloud still thinks about her. I don’t think Tifa and Cloud will be together, but it’s a possibility,
Yep, thats pretty much what I think too
Actually, the player feels so much emotion, because throughout the first disc Aerith becomes endeared to the player. Now before you start thinking I’m a freak hear me out. Because you play as Cloud, you get into the phyce of being him. As Cloud falls for her, you start caring for her. Not in that way given, but her charactor is that of a nice person so you would have to be a coldhearted person indeed not to at least care wether she lives or dies. It’s human nature to care about the people who are kind to us like that. That way when she is taken from you it’s sad. Movies do this all the time. Horror moies wouldn’t be scary if you didn’t care about the charactors. If the charactors were all mean and you ended up hating them then their deaths would be almost humorous. Not scary in the least. So because of that endearing, it’s painful to see Aerith die right in front of you. Also, they keep this pain going, in the scene by keeping the same music even through the boss fight first, (so it leaves a more lasting impression) and second because they made her the obvious choice to be your white mage. That ensures that you have to A. Pick a new charactor to be your white mage, painful in itself, and B. Whenever you think about the new white mage or healing spells or wish you had one (if you don’t bother with a new white mage) it causes you to be reminded of Aerith.
Sorry that is so confusing, I woke up very early this morning and I’m confusing when I just write what comes to mind to begin with.
One last passing though, might as well mention that it is "Aerith" not "Aeris." It was a translation error, Square made it official a while ago. Not taht it matters, I say "Aeris" half the time anyways.
And in terms to the other posts, no. Cloud and Tifa were really never that close because that ‘childhood friend’ thing was a lie. Cloud never did played tag or hide or seek with Tifa and her friends, so its really a lie. And when Cloud grew to be a man, he saw Tifa as a friend, letting go of his childish crush on Tifa and when Tifa grew up to be a woman, she now saw a man instead of the boy she bully along with her friends. That’s a difference and Aeris really never did made them to grow apart. Tifa admitted to her herself that Cloud and her were nothing but friends. Proof enough for Aeris not breaking up a relationship that didn’t even existed at all.
Aeris DID love Zack, like Cloud DID love Tifa. It’s over. That doesn’t mean Cloud doesn’t still think of Tifa as a friend, but he doesn’t love her in that way. Aeris is in his heart now, as Cloud is in her’s. (and yes I am aware that thats present tense, and that aeris is dead) Some people think just because Aeris is dead, that Tifa automatically gets him. That’s not true. You can’t just forget about someone you care so much for. It’s not human. Tifa, I think, is a good friend because at the end of the game she doesn’t act jealous when Cloud says he thinks he can meet her. Tifa accepts that Cloud loves Aeris, and everyone else should too. They ARE the true official couple.
But the chances are also increased for Cloud and Tifa if you really think about it. My mom even remarried right after. Even if Cloud and Tifa do get together in AC, he’ll always remember his love Aerith and he’ll always still have a place for her in his heart. Even if he does marry Tifa.
You guys are right! Just because Aerith is dead doesn’t mean Tifa automatically get’s him, but the chances do increase alittle. Like I said, even if he’s with Tifa, he’ll always remember Aerith too. Aerith wouldn’t be jealous either because they say in heaven, you you’re pure(that’s how I was raised anyway). I think she would want Cloud to be taken care of anyway.
Now Aerith and Cloud are more couple ideal but I would see it as not the greatest thing. I just find that even if Aerith died, thats where she shall remain, and too cloud her memory is enough. He may have loved her too, but I dont think he felt such an attatchment to her as he did to Tifa, especially after Tifa was the one who took care of him after everything happened, she was the only one really there for him.
And at the end of Disc 3 (i think or disc 2 im not sure) you see a scence with Tifa and Cloud. As much as I see it, she told him she wanted to spend the time a little longer, and he said ok, as they wouldnt have it again.
so i still find tifa and cloud more for each other~
Cloud and Aeris- They met in a street, then, in the church, after cloud is appointed as her new bodyguard… He protects her, through thick and thin. Aeris has a certain angelic like quality that accompanies her, something that Cloud couldnt see in Tifa, as tifa was more bouncy and fiesty. The barmaid from 7th Heaven. Aeris was the quiet flower girl, in the church. Cloud stayed with her right to the very end. Even though these two situations seem alike, somehow, theyre not. Theres a certain something with Aeris and Cloud, and I cant quite put my finger on it. Aeris opens up this whole new world to Cloud, who was as cold hearted as the next SOLDIER, even though Cloud was special himself. She made him feel what no body else has…Even though aeris is dead, it doesnt mean at all that he will immediatley shack up with Tifa, as you just cant move on so quickly, and surely he will never forget about her.
Maybe someday they will be re-united as the FF7 Couple..:) Who knows? 🙂
That’s true about Cloud and Tifa, but on the basis, they weren’t really close friends as they didn’t play together or nothing. And Tifa barely knew anything about Cloud since she admitted herself. I wouldn’t say they were the closest of friends, but two people who live in the same town and were sorta like friends. I don’t think Tifa really understand Cloud or know who he really is since she don’t quite even know Cloud as much as she thought. And over the time, Cloud has mature a bit and letting go of his childhood crush on Tifa. He experience quite a lot over time and some things that would change his life and scar him forever.
His attachments to Tifa and Aeris are different, but I think its Aeris who made the most of him. She change his world, the way he looks at things and gave him a meaning that even he would not be able to get from Tifa. It would be because of Aeris too that Tifa was able to tell Cloud some of her feelings but maybe a bit too late. Aeris gave Cloud a new form of strength of where you should try to live life to your fullest, neverless of scarred memories. Cloud was able to experience those shack up feelings that never came out for Tifa. He laugh, cry, joke a bit, became angry to his fullest…it goes on and on. Those are the emotions that he somehow didn’t feel before and when Aeris died, those emotions came out of him….his bottle up feelings and that special place in his heart for Aeris. And when he got out of his mako poisoning in disk two, he’s back to his reserved self. Even that moment that Tifa had with him, he doesn’t really show any of his emotions or feelings but lent his shoulder for her to sleep on, on the basis of being a good friend. Tifa may had say those things to him, but it can be seen that she wanted to take Aeris’s place in Cloud’s heart. Maybe not intentionally, but her feelings for Cloud were strong and maybe she didn’t want to face the choice Cloud would make and tell her. On the other hand, Cloud never had a chance to grieve for Aeris and I don’t think he would be able to settle down with anyone else. Cloud may be afraid to felt the ounce of joy he had with Aeris happen again. Noone was able to break through his shell like Aeris did and pentrated his heart that deep. It seems Cloud is afraid to experience that again, losing someone precious you love and having a feeling that you might meet them again is what is stack up on Cloud. He stated of searching for the Promised Land since only he alone can feel where Aeris is but it seems that place is far beyond his reach.
That’s exactly right. Even if Aeris is dead, it doesn’t mean that Tifa automatically wins or Aeris. Its all on the basis of Cloud’s feelings and his alone. And its pretty evident of what his feelings are, seeing that in AC he has been living alone. But on the basis of her death, there’s a chance she’s not dead at all. Yes, I know Sephiroth stab her and Cloud place her at the bottom of the lake, but the basis of this is what the characters felt. Aeris told Cloud she would come back one day to him when it was all over, evident that Cloud is clearly waiting for her or will do something drastic to meet her. Nanaki’s grandpa said something like when you died, your life energy merge with the lifestream and yet there has been no answers provided of why we see her face at the end of disk 3. I would like to say that even Tifa herself felt a feeling that Aeris would pop back in their lifes without them knowing one day and on that basis, even she believes that Aeris can be found.
But in many flashbacks you see that Tifa wants Cloud to join and hes to embarrased to play with them. Cloud and Tifa did share moments away from the normal group that she would hang out with. The moment at the well is really the only link from his made up past that keep them both going strong, and it seems as though Cloud still admires Tifa any many ways more than Aerith.
I think thats just a flaw in the FF7 how the distinction between ‘love’ and ‘friendship’ between Aerith, Tifa, and Cloud is never really settled. Maybe she is still alive but considering many circumstances, Cloud loves Tifa, but Tifa would willing give him up for Aerith. Cloud just seems to have a much stronger connection to Tifa, which would bring feelings of love as well. More so than Aerith.
Many times she is a staggeringly obvious example of how characters are set up out of neccessity rather than having a leaving breathing character. I did not like her easily broken spirit either. Her frequent help Cloud in contrast to Aeris’ "Don’t worry, Marlene’s alright!" not in those exact words, as her name wasn’t spoken.
I believe the case that Tifa should be with Cloud is that of a weak one. A case that relies on surface ideas and the idea that if Aeris died, there is no other possible choice. Though I don’t hold it against people believing it.
1) In the majority of RPGs, the male lead is some kind of warrior and the one he will fall for is typically a magic user or some of magical significance if a love story occurs. Be it Tidus and Yuna in FFX, Zidane and Garnet in FFIX, Cecil and Rosa in Final Fantasy IV, Rinoa (she has magical significance on Disc 3) and Squall in Final Fantasy VIII.
2) Plenty of times there are moments of childhood friends, but in most RPGs, they do not manifest into a serious relationship. Chrono Cross is one such example as Leena and Serge are childhood friends, but obviously his mate is Kid. Or Squall and Rinoa in Final Fantasy VIII when it is revealed they were all childhood friends, and he still goes for Rinoa, the one he didn’t have. Even Final Fantasy X, who does Yuna fall for? Not Wakka who has known her forever, she falls for Tidus. Tifa was simply an inspiration of the past, an adolescent boy who he hoped to impress at one point in time. She was not his only inspriation, does he not say he wants to be strong just like Sephiroth. His feelings for Sephiroth change of course over time…As AerisCloud points out, Tifa claims she didn’t know him that well. Furthermore when believing he is dead, she said they were only friends.
3) Notice a number of subtle hints that can be found in this game. The obvious being Caith Sith’s two fortunes. Cloud will lose something dear, him and Aeris are a perfect pair. A flashback involving Cloud’s mother saying he should get an older girl. Notice Aeris is older than Cloud, while Tifa is not. Furthermore, notice emotions actually displayed with Aeris. He laughs freely in front of her and displays substantially less emotion with Tifa. When Tifa is slashed in a flash back, he responds some rage. When Sephiroth kills Aeris, he cries. And notice at the very end, right after saving Tifa from near death, he doesn’t think twice but says he think he can find her there. Before she died, she’d said "I’ll be back when its all over." It would appear that was more on his mind. In fact, Cait Sith tells Cloud that him and Aeris are perfect right after you have the last chance of playing with her. It is intentionally set up to be a tragedy to keep one playing.
4) Some of the ideas of hints that Tifa is hinted to be with Cloud are a bit reaching. The first one being how Cloud does a 180 int he beginning when he says he is leaving. People claimed he stayed not for more money, but for Tifa. Though Barret says very early on, that his actions would cost him for being a showoff and wreckless. The other one is if Tifa and Cloud had sex allegedly…they showed them resting together on a hill, which didn’t even prove the sex. Even if it did, plenty of people can have sex with no emotional attachment involve.
5) One issue is the memories. I briefly read whether Tifa has memories implented or not, I will not comment on that for now. People assume "He had Zack’s memories…its only because of that!" But notice how one of the hints occurs at the end, right after he frees his false memories. In addition, Cloud only has a few memories of Zack that are switched, not every single moment in time. That alone cannot simply make him love Aeris. He does not recogonize Aeris, so he has no memories of her. And Aeris seems to have a sixth sense, be it where the white materia is, or knowing Cloud is not himself.
6) This one is blatantly opinionated and not one of the grand analysis of the previous reasons, but Aeris and Cloud are just far better matches. Whether they explore more emotion with one another, Aeris having a sweet angelic presence as Aeriscloud rightfully points out, or simply being far more stronger in a hopeful sense. Aeris has hope and a strong will, where Tifa seems to break far easier.
When its all said and done, the case is overwhelming in Aeris’ favor until the disc 1. Then they regress and assume it has to be Tifa. Not so.
Aeris was the person who gave the others hope. And at the end ~SPOILER~ she never left. She reappeared to them in the Lifestream that fought Meteor. She was always with them no matter what. Tifa also loved Aeris. Aeris was nice,and they were good friends. But it’s known that Tifa was the one he ended with, and nobody can change it. Aeris’ music is very sad and moving. I cried during the death scene. The funeral seemed to have made me cry the most. I saw her still smiling during her death. I may be a big Sephy fan, but Aeris was great, too.
Originally posted by aeriscloud
That’s exactly right. Even if Aeris is dead, it doesn’t mean that Tifa automatically wins or Aeris. Its all on the basis of Cloud’s feelings and his alone. And its pretty evident of what his feelings are, seeing that in AC he has been living alone. But on the basis of her death, there’s a chance she’s not dead at all. Yes, I know Sephiroth stab her and Cloud place her at the bottom of the lake, but the basis of this is what the characters felt. Aeris told Cloud she would come back one day to him when it was all over, evident that Cloud is clearly waiting for her or will do something drastic to meet her. Nanaki’s grandpa said something like when you died, your life energy merge with the lifestream and yet there has been no answers provided of why we see her face at the end of disk 3. I would like to say that even Tifa herself felt a feeling that Aeris would pop back in their lifes without them knowing one day and on that basis, even she believes that Aeris can be found.
That’s true about Cloud and Tifa, but on the basis, they weren’t really close friends as they didn’t play together or nothing. And Tifa barely knew anything about Cloud since she admitted herself. I wouldn’t say they were the closest of friends, but two people who live in the same town and were sorta like friends. I don’t think Tifa really understand Cloud or know who he really is since she don’t quite even know Cloud as much as she thought. And over the time, Cloud has mature a bit and letting go of his childhood crush on Tifa. He experience quite a lot over time and some things that would change his life and scar him forever.
His attachments to Tifa and Aeris are different, but I think its Aeris who made the most of him. She change his world, the way he looks at things and gave him a meaning that even he would not be able to get from Tifa. It would be because of Aeris too that Tifa was able to tell Cloud some of her feelings but maybe a bit too late. Aeris gave Cloud a new form of strength of where you should try to live life to your fullest, neverless of scarred memories. Cloud was able to experience those shack up feelings that never came out for Tifa. He laugh, cry, joke a bit, became angry to his fullest…it goes on and on. Those are the emotions that he somehow didn’t feel before and when Aeris died, those emotions came out of him….his bottle up feelings and that special place in his heart for Aeris. And when he got out of his mako poisoning in disk two, he’s back to his reserved self. Even that moment that Tifa had with him, he doesn’t really show any of his emotions or feelings but lent his shoulder for her to sleep on, on the basis of being a good friend. Tifa may had say those things to him, but it can be seen that she wanted to take Aeris’s place in Cloud’s heart. Maybe not intentionally, but her feelings for Cloud were strong and maybe she didn’t want to face the choice Cloud would make and tell her. On the other hand, Cloud never had a chance to grieve for Aeris and I don’t think he would be able to settle down with anyone else. Cloud may be afraid to felt the ounce of joy he had with Aeris happen again. Noone was able to break through his shell like Aeris did and pentrated his heart that deep. It seems Cloud is afraid to experience that again, losing someone precious you love and having a feeling that you might meet them again is what is stack up on Cloud. He stated of searching for the Promised Land since only he alone can feel where Aeris is but it seems that place is far beyond his reach.
That makes alot of sense. Good explanation. I’m seeing things a bit differently, but that happens every once in a while. When I read about or see Aeris, I think Cloud goes better with her. But when I see or read about Tifa, I feel different. It’s very strange.
2) Plenty of times there are moments of childhood friends, but in most RPGs, they do not manifest into a serious relationship. Chrono Cross is one such example as Leena and Serge are childhood friends, but obviously his mate is Kid. Or Squall and Rinoa in Final Fantasy VIII when it is revealed they were all childhood friends, and he still goes for Rinoa, the one he didn’t have. Even Final Fantasy X, who does Yuna fall for? Not Wakka who has known her forever, she falls for Tidus. Tifa was simply an inspiration of the past, an adolescent boy who he hoped to impress at one point in time. She was not his only inspriation, does he not say he wants to be strong just like Sephiroth. His feelings for Sephiroth change of course over time…As AerisCloud points out, Tifa claims she didn’t know him that well. Furthermore when believing he is dead, she said they were only friends.
3) Notice a number of subtle hints that can be found in this game. The obvious being Caith Sith’s two fortunes. Cloud will lose something dear, him and Aeris are a perfect pair. A flashback involving Cloud’s mother saying he should get an older girl. Notice Aeris is older than Cloud, while Tifa is not. Furthermore, notice emotions actually displayed with Aeris. He laughs freely in front of her and displays substantially less emotion with Tifa. When Tifa is slashed in a flash back, he responds some rage. When Sephiroth kills Aeris, he cries. And notice at the very end, right after saving Tifa from near death, he doesn’t think twice but says he think he can find her there. Before she died, she’d said "I’ll be back when its all over." It would appear that was more on his mind. In fact, Cait Sith tells Cloud that him and Aeris are perfect right after you have the last chance of playing with her. It is intentionally set up to be a tragedy to keep one playing.
4) Some of the ideas of hints that Tifa is hinted to be with Cloud are a bit reaching. The first one being how Cloud does a 180 int he beginning when he says he is leaving. People claimed he stayed not for more money, but for Tifa. Though Barret says very early on, that his actions would cost him for being a showoff and wreckless. The other one is if Tifa and Cloud had sex allegedly…they showed them resting together on a hill, which didn’t even prove the sex. Even if it did, plenty of people can have sex with no emotional attachment involve.
5) One issue is the memories. I briefly read whether Tifa has memories implented or not, I will not comment on that for now. People assume "He had Zack’s memories…its only because of that!" But notice how one of the hints occurs at the end, right after he frees his false memories. In addition, Cloud only has a few memories of Zack that are switched, not every single moment in time. That alone cannot simply make him love Aeris. He does not recogonize Aeris, so he has no memories of her. And Aeris seems to have a sixth sense, be it where the white materia is, or knowing Cloud is not himself.
6) This one is blatantly opinionated and not one of the grand analysis of the previous reasons, but Aeris and Cloud are just far better matches. Whether they explore more emotion with one another, Aeris having a sweet angelic presence as Aeriscloud rightfully points out, or simply being far more stronger in a hopeful sense. Aeris has hope and a strong will, where Tifa seems to break far easier.
– No one ever said that Tifa and Cloud had sex, that wasnt even the point. The point was that Tifa and Cloud spent that moment together and Cloud seemed to hold some attatchment to Tifa while they were talking.
-The relation between magic, I think has nothing really to do with it. After reading several FF storylines, I can just see they choose the main male and female characters to be together. But FF7 seems to create a bigger picture with Tifa in it. Seeming more that friendships can lead to true love.
– Aerith I think symbolized more hope, than being a love for Cloud. The hope she gave them was strong and he kept going on because of that, but I think without Tifa he wouldnt have gone far since she continued to push him foward. Remember, Only with Tifa’s help was she able to unlock all of clouds memories.
-And the memories were all inplanted, to represent some portions of zack but not to much to the extent that its noticeable. Other than that Cloud is still a Jenova Clone and more likely represents a lot of sephiroth gone good. If it were really Zacks memories that cloud had then cloud would have remembered having the Relationship with both Tifa and Aerith. But he doesnt, because he doesnt relate to zack in any way besides the fact he was in SOLDIER.
— and on cait sith’s fortune, Aerith wasnt only dear to Cloud. She held attatchment to Tifa since they grew to be Best friends throught the progress of the first disk. Cait Sith’s fortune represented loosing hope and Aerith was hope for everyone not only cloud.
on and on, i still believe Tifa was the best choice
– No one ever said that Tifa and Cloud had sex, that wasnt even the point. The point was that Tifa and Cloud spent that moment together and Cloud seemed to hold some attatchment to Tifa while they were talking.
-The relation between magic, I think has nothing really to do with it. After reading several FF storylines, I can just see they choose the main male and female characters to be together. But FF7 seems to create a bigger picture with Tifa in it. Seeming more that friendships can lead to true love.
– Aerith I think symbolized more hope, than being a love for Cloud. The hope she gave them was strong and he kept going on because of that, but I think without Tifa he wouldnt have gone far since she continued to push him foward. Remember, Only with Tifa’s help was she able to unlock all of clouds memories.
-And the memories were all inplanted, to represent some portions of zack but not to much to the extent that its noticeable. Other than that Cloud is still a Jenova Clone and more likely represents a lot of sephiroth gone good. If it were really Zacks memories that cloud had then cloud would have remembered having the Relationship with both Tifa and Aerith. But he doesnt, because he doesnt relate to zack in any way besides the fact he was in SOLDIER.
— and on cait sith’s fortune, Aerith wasnt only dear to Cloud. She held attatchment to Tifa since they grew to be Best friends throught the progress of the first disk. Cait Sith’s fortune represented loosing hope and Aerith was hope for everyone not only cloud.
on and on, i still believe Tifa was the best choice
1) Actually yes, I have heard people say Cloud and Tifa had sex. In any event, this was more Tifa’s doing, not Cloud’s. It was Tifa who stayed and said "I have nowhere else to go" in effect. He simply did no protest her efforts. I said earlier, his behavior towards her is non-responsive. Even right after saving her death, he does not comment he is glad they are ok. He is only concerned that he can meet Aeris.
2) A clear point of patterns is very relevant in proofs, though they are not universal as some such as 5 and 6 may or may not hold them (didn’t beat them.) It is almost an archetype concept behind relationships that the female lead be some magical or mystic character and that the male lead typically be a strong sword wielding type in Square games, and perhaps many RPGs as well. And while Aeris granted is only in one disc, she provides far more impact to the story than does Tifa. Tifa is more an essential link to what Cloud’s past formerly was where Aeris mysterious actions are the present and crucial to the future.
3) Again, that is why Tifa is more of just a link to the past. If anything, Aeris is the lamb, the sacrifice because she wanted to save the world, even if that meant she might have to give up Cloud. She’d rather die for the planet and him than squander looking for an alternate method. It was Aeris’ final smile, that drove Cloud to the end when he says "She was smiling to the end…"
4) Zack never had a relationship with Tifa….so how would he remember that?
5) Cait Sith’s fortune also states "You are both stars, you two are perfect for each other." That alone is pretty clear, he even comments poor Tifa because she seems to have a quiet desperation for him.
Gandalf,
I agree with what you say. Tifa is just merely a link to the past and its obvious that Cloud has letten go of his childish crush on Tifa while Tifa nows sees Cloud as a man with interest. Its a bit too late for that but she’s hoping. On the other fact, it was only Aeris that made Cloud open up with his feelings. The Cloud and Tifa scenes were very not engaging as Cloud didn’t really open any of his feelings and it seems very dull when he was with Tifa. On the other hand, when he was with Aeris, he opens up and all those bottle up feelings that were suppose to be for Tifa when they were children went straight to Aeris. That’s really a difference between those two. That moment that he had with Tifa merely means the basis of the so called ‘friendship’ he had with her. But on the other hand, he really didn’t remember or give a damn about anyone else when he gave his final speech of what everyone’s reason was. He even asked Tifa why she was still here and forgotton that she had nowhere else to go. I would say that if Cloud was a bit concern about Tifa, he would had known but its obvious that his mind was on something else…like the big finale with Sephiroth and reuniting with Aeris.
Solaris,
Cloud’s not even a clone as it was proven already when Tifa had to make that guilty trip down memory lane. Its more like when they were experimented, Cloud and Zack memories were…sorta merge together, that’s why Cloud was very confused. But to that factor, it was also Tifa’s fault for making him believe in those memories and giving false lies to him when he asked for the truth. Its not clearly Cloud’s fault since he’s been to more pain and saw more things to scar him for life than Tifa would experience. Tifa unlock those memories because she was the link to those hidden memories inside Cloud after what she did to him in the beginning and still continue to lie in front of Cloud after Aeris died. She finally realize the danger and deceit that she put Cloud through and knew that she would have to fix that problem since she was running away from the problem. That trust between her and Cloud was clearly broken as she tried to fix it.
It’s merely at the end of disk three that solves all of this when Cloud tells her, straight from the heart, of whom he chosen to be with. Not in so many words, but when he said that he could meet her at the Promise Land, there’s really only one at the Promise Land, and that’s Aeris. Cloud never look once at Tifa’s surprise but yet broken heart expression as she finally understood Cloud’s decision to be with Aeris and volunteer herself to go along with Cloud to look for Aeris. But as Cloud say, "I", not "We"…this would mean him and him only to meet Aeris, as it was evident in what he says.
1) Actually yes, I have heard people say Cloud and Tifa had sex. In any event, this was more Tifa’s doing, not Cloud’s. It was Tifa who stayed and said "I have nowhere else to go" in effect. He simply did no protest her efforts. I said earlier, his behavior towards her is non-responsive. Even right after saving her death, he does not comment he is glad they are ok. He is only concerned that he can meet Aeris.
4) Zack never had a relationship with Tifa….so how would he remember that?
– Zack and Tifa did have a relationship, as when you go to Gongaga town and meet his parents both Aeris and Tifa run out in despair for their first love.
– You know, I really only believe that Tifa and Cloud are really the true couple because thats were FF7 likes to lead on and leave you off. I also think, that Aerith is just that, a hope for them all. So remember, Tifa says "yes we can both meet her there". I would feel that both of them are striving to meet hope and happiness. Aerith I dont really feel is the love interest but like I said before the symbolism of hope. She was loved by everyone, not only cloud.
@ shinobiyuffie
Cloud is a Sephiroth clone, inplanted with Jenova cells. I think it was Hojo that mentions this during the reunion. He was defect though and never really used, so to cover up anything they just merged some memories in there. But really he was just living he persona of Zack. He doesnt really have memory of who he truly is and no amount of Aerith love would make all that come out.
On the clone subject, no. Cloud is not a clone at all. Hojo is dumb. If Cloud was a clone, then why would he be used as an experiment, again? Cloud is just Cloud and he was no clone as this was proven by the cruelest childhood memories that Cloud had. For one, Cloud was stabbed by Sephiroth. Two, he was merge with a lot of mako-poisoning. Three, Cloud really did have feelings for Aeris as she is someone very precious to him. He’s dramatize by her death and his best friend. Four, After all those secrets and lies, Cloud fell to his doom when he went through an identity crisis. Five, Cloud is found by his friends with a lot of Mako poisoning. Six, Tifa finally feels regret and helps Cloud to regain his real memories, starting from the beginning until his final comeback with Zack and co.. Seven, Cloud finally finds his true self and tells everyone that he was never in Soldier. On that basis, connect all the other events (except for the fake) and the one link to his past, and you get Cloud. No clone. But Cloud Strife, who grew up in Nielbihelm and had a dream to join Soldier but was never fulfilled.
I dont think she was mad, He only wrote about Aerith but Aerith mentions that hes a womanizer and had many relations. He probably dated tifa, and Tifa fell in love but he left before she could admit how he felt
How do you get that? That he was a womanizer exactly? I don’t remember ANY of that.
oh and the promise thing gives it away also
and i sneaked to venice on a tip from the mafia(my friends):)
and cloud was asking some1 (either zack or aeris) to be forgiven
oh and vincent and cloud go to aerises grave
So in a way, Solaris,
that point can be counter out and was already proven, as I say in my other post. Zack and Tifa had never had a relationship as Cloud is no clone and that was counter out as well.
As Cloud being a clone, no. That was countered out by shinobiyuffie, as she said, and with Tifa being the link to Cloud’s childhood, it proof that he was no clone..added to him being used for an experiement with Zack by Hojo. Why would Hojo need to experiment him twice? That’s where the problem is. And then, why Zack too? It doesn’t match up and Tifa did go with him down memory lane, proving that the childhood memories he had were true, not made up as Cloud came out of that and realize that his life has been a lie…meaning, he was never First Class Soldier. On to the memories merging, even if Cloud’s memories are merge partial with Zack…or something like that. A lot has happen and Cloud gain new memories. The trip with Tifa down memery lane was to clear any misunderstandings that Cloud had and he had a lot of misunderstandings. Aeris, in fact, played a big role to Cloud and new memories are made by her. In fact, he never once forgotton about her, even when he recovered his real memories. Cloud made new memories with Aeris of where it was never forgotton.
still I really enjoy the whole Cloud/Tifa scenario and will always support it unless someone gives me this amazing reason why Cloud and Aerith should go together.
"Well I beleive Cloud and Tifa to be the official couple in this game, and I’m hoping that they will finnaly get together in advent Children. Here is a site with various good essays on them, so I’ll just paste one here to prove my point.
by: Nibelheim Boy
I’d like to make one final comment before this thread closes. I don’t know about the rest of you, but to me, it was very clear that Cloud had special feelings for Tifa. I think for some of us, this debate has become less of a question on "who does Cloud love more", and more of a question on "does Cloud love Tifa at all". This has become quite clear from some of the comments that have obviously been made to dismiss Tifa as a candidate entirely. Albeit, rather vainly.
The lifestream scene is a significant one in that it sheds some light as to the true nature of Cloud’s relationship with Tifa. Through this scene, we are able to take a peek at Cloud’s inner psyche. His memories. His deeper thoughts. They are all shown to involve Tifa. And although they may not have hinted at a relationship directly "on their own", I think it’s important to look at them from a holistic point of view. Singling each one out and looking at them one by one is not adequate. They all merge and mingle together to form Cloud’s past and essential personality, so that it’s important to look at them as a "whole".
The point isn’t that Cloud says "I love you very much, Tifa" in one scene alone. Rather, the point is that his inner thoughts were all about her, and this has been proven in a myriad of scenes. I think she has to be a very special person to qualify for that. Indeed, Cloud loved Aeris. But the memories of his inner psyche did not even involve her once. And I think this speaks a lot for Tifa. I think you have to be really really hateful of Tifa to deny that Cloud ever loved her at all.
And while analysing individual lines of the script may be of some value, it’s crucial to acknowledge that individual lines don’t mean a great deal "on their own". It’s important to look at the context of the dialogue also, as well as the other lines in the entire conversation. This is what I mean by taking a holistic point of view. Some Aeris-supporters seem to have made a habit of ignoring direct evidence, choosing to only analyse individual lines of the script. From memory, it has been said that "many of Cloud’s statements in the lifestream scene have been proven to have no relevance to his relationship with Tifa". This, to me, is ludicrous.
If you choose to only look at individual lines in the script, then anything can, in fact, be proven, depending on how far you want to twist things. It can be likened to saying that Squall never loved Rinoa on the basis that he never said so. Or that, throughout the course of the game, the number of times he ignored her exceeded the number of times he devoted his attention to her. And indeed, this is what analysis of individual lines would indicate. Is it adequate? Clearly not."
Well lines are meant to be taken as a whole, and for reasons I have already posted the more subtle and bigger hints lie towards Aeris being Cait Sith’s hints, Cloud’s mother in a flashback, how Cloud states he would finish for Aeris, how he does not seem to mind Tifa nearly dies or could have twice and remains emotionless and thinking of Aeris.
And clearly the memories involve Tifa, she was a past love. Like much of what you seem to get at already, Tifa was a large part of his past, and less of his future. Notice his own denseness in your quote when he asks who Tifa wanted, and he could not guess. Of course he does not need to think of Aeris, Tifa is attempting to redirect his memories as Cloud is attempting to figure out WAY IN THE PAST. Tifa simply happened to be the only one who could do this. And besides, Cloud knew Aeris for how many days? While greatly attached to her, Cloud is too shocked with Sephiroth’s revelation and Tifa being dead set on hiding the truth even after Sephiroth reveals it.
The whole point of that was his memories were false and Tifa was the only person who be able to do this. Nobody else group up with Cloud. It is this trait where I have frowned because Square never is consistent in developing her, or when finally doing so, potrays her as weak always demanding Cloud’s attention and help. Be it the robot, or be it Tifa desperately trying to convince herself she needs nobody’s help and is not fooling anyone.
Some have suggested that Cloud only saw in Tifa a way of being accepted into the groupie. Others have suggested that they were merely close friends. But these are rather misinformed views. From some of Cloud’s statements, these views may seem a possibility. But I must emphasise that the analysis of individual lines as pointers to a character’s personality is flawed and useless. Other lines in the game have to be included for consideration. To settle the issue about the lifestream scene once and for all, here are a few lines I’ve selected from that scene. Note that I’ve chosen several, not just one, to prove my point.
Cloud: "I really wanted to play with everyone, but I was never allowed into the group. Then I began to think that I was different. Then maybe, just maybe, they would invite me in."
Cloud: "That night, I called Tifa out to the well. I thought to myself that Tifa would never come, that she hated me."
Cloud: "If I could just get stronger, then even Tifa would have to notice me."
Cloud: "I was devastated. I wanted to be noticed."
Tifa: "Someone has to notice you? Who?"
Cloud: "Who? You know who! You, that’s who."
Cloud: "It’s important to me. I hate to say it but it’s a very important memory… A sealed up secret… wish… tender memories… no one can ever know."
Tifa: "I used to wonder how Cloud was doing… I started reading the newspapers, thinking that there might be an article about you."
Cloud: "Thanks, Tifa. Tell him what you told me later. He’ll probably be so happy."
Tifa: "You were there. You were watching me."
Tifa: "You came. You kept your promise."
Tifa: "Oh Cloud! It’s really you, isn’t it?"
Cloud: "Yeah, Tifa. We finally meet again."
Together, these lines convey an undeniable romance between Cloud and Tifa. Is it possible that Cloud just wanted friends? No. Together, these lines indicate more than that. Is it possible that Cloud just saw Tifa as a friend? Again, no. Their relationship seems much more personal and exclusive than that, as these lines, together, indicate. Is it possible that Cloud loved Tifa? YES.
As they are memories that have been stored in his inner psyche for all his life, we can deduce that the object of these memories must have been very important to him. Whether it has caused him pain or pleasure, happiness or despair, the object of his greatest desire would be common to all these treasured memories. And clearly, it is Tifa.
It is not a misinformed view at all, rather a lack of strong evidence and rather clues suggesting a good friendship long ago being used to show a connection that once existed, still existed. Is it possible, yes. Very much its possible in a friends way, perhaps even more. But the case against it is so greatly circumstanical, so easily refuted, and flimsy that it alone cannot stand to provide such a conclusion.
All they say throughout these lines is they did miss each other like friends were, like any of us. If my friend went to Iraq, I would read the papers and hope he is ok. Many of these lines listed would not even be suggest if they these characters were of the same gender (and straight), and those were it could be intrepreted as a longing, happen very early on as I just demonstrated. Notice how time move forwards, these types of feeling fades and it becomes "He’ll be happy to hear that" and such. As I’ve already shown through patterns, it is typical that male leads go out with female magic users in FF, and other RPGs in addition to having a childhood friend that there is a strong but platonic relationship.
It’s not the other boys, they don’t even qualify as they are only involved in one of the three parts of his mental reality. It’s not the well either, it was only present in one part. And it’s not the flower pot on Tifa’s window sill, though even this beats Aeris in this regard. (I actually have a theory that Cloud’s love for flowers is actually what turned him on. Not Aeris. Snicker.)
It’s all Tifa. Deep down, Tifa is the object of Cloud’s mind. Deep down, Cloud desires her attention. Deep down, Cloud loves her. The argument that it was only a childish infatuation is invalid, because as he grew to adulthood, these memories remained with him, still cherished, and still the cause of his personal problems.
There is more than enough evidence in other parts of the game to support the view that Cloud loved Tifa, and you’ll find it if you’re willing to see it. I suggest you actually look for it though, and not turn a blind eye to it, as some of you Aeris-supporters have done countless times."
Memories simply do not just fade, I can still remember my first crush as though it were yesterday. Again, Cloud’s past was false be it was Jenova or his own doing. They are hidden there, trying to reach Cloud becasuse of the truth. I cherish the memory, but there is nothing there. Surely because somebody remembers things like this even deep down does not mean these feelings will just automatically exist.
I am willing to see it, and I am not turing a blind eye but rather asking for the sum of the parts to build a strong case, and they simply do not. Everything here suggests the past, the very thing Cloud has been deceived of. These ideas while holding validity then, do not hold such validity in the present. Be it the subtle hints that are precisely placed (Cait Sith’s reading before she leaves to sacrifice), the tradition of RPGs, or Cloud’s own behavioral patterns.
And to not thing I am mean spirited, but I do appreciate the author of this. So many people take little time and thought to come to any conclusion. But I feel the points simply add to an old flame, and nothing really else.
The thing about those essays and points is that…..they can be easily countered out by facts obtain from the game. Cloud is merely reliving his past, thanks to Tifa telling him lies to cover up the truth. I do totally agree with what you say about everything and its very true that Squaresoft always used some kind of formula for their couples…and even I have noticed the similarites of the main hero with the cool weapon always ending up with the high magic/summoner/healer type heroine. But those points and essays are merely from someone else point of view or can I say….in favor of Cloti? That’s not really thorough evindence to provide as it can easily be counter out. The memories that Cloud gain and had with Aeris doesn’t simply go away like it was yesterday’s trash, no. In fact, after Cloud regain his true memories, those memories he had with Aeris still stays with him as he mentions about her a lot until towards the end. That essay you posted, which I can tell was use from another thread, is merely anti against Aeris as the person forgets very memorable events and memories that are precious to Cloud. The basis of Tifa’s memories on Cloud is clearly on Cloud’s childhood as when he is a man, he made new memories and gain new ones too. The death of his only true best friend, Zack, protecting him and then dies, must have been hard on him. Those memories that Cloud has, are merely scarred memories too. Those 3 boys are as much a part of his painful memories as Tifa is. More exactly, he wanted to be notice, to fit in, and to gain friends. These were the basis of his reasons besides his crush on Tifa. But his childhood is more of like an identity crisis of trying to fit in than his crush on Tifa. As you had said, I’ll have to agree that its not really a strong case with enough evidence as Aeris-supporters from time to time, has pointed out the various counterattacks to those statements. On that basis, he has oulive his childhood crush on her and has move on. There’s really nothing to tie Cloud down to Tifa as Cloud had made his choice at the end of disk 3. Cloud was confused and thought that those memories he had were his own, add to the fact that Tifa agreed with him, creating a bigger web of lies than intended. The trip down memory lane was to mend the lies and show Cloud the truth as Sephiroth already partly told the truth to Cloud. More exactly, Cloud went to another identity crisis and the key to the true events in his life, was supposely his old childhood friend, Tifa. As those events in his childhood were the answers he was looking for to realize that Cloud had been living a lie with his life. Tifa’s desperation and wanting attention from Cloud got the best out of her, by telling him lies and covering up the truth, it was the only way to clear the guilt of putting your friend in trouble in the first place.
The past is what he is concerned about, he wants to know what is true and what is not. Aeris was recent, he knows it happened. He was just told that maybe he is a clone, his past was a lie, and so on. This bombshell distracts him.
Another point is as you are going through the game, you spend more time going after aeris to stop her from getting slapped by tseng and lost in woods and stuff, and tifa just seems to trail behind meaninglessly (storyline wise).
The story with cloud and tifa is very relevant to the storyline, but cloud and aeris are the couple if anything.
Anyway, TMA,
I guess you didn’t bother to read the other posts. It stills relate to CloudxAeris, no questions ask.
Whatever. If this is an Aeris Cloud thread…I don’t see any AerisxCloud at all.
Whoa?
Anyways.. Theres a Cloud X Aerith thing.
Whoa?
Anyways.. Theres a Cloud X Aerith thing.
o.o AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! MY EYEEEEEEEEEES!
aeris aeris aeris aeris aeris aeris aeris
death to tifa death to tifa death to tifa
o.o AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! MY EYEEEEEEEEEES!
Yeah! your eyes should burn.
o.o AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! MY EYEEEEEEEEEES!
i feel your pain.
it looks better than tifa anyday as aeris is better much better then tifa ugly lockheart just cause tifas hard aeris can melt clouds heart tifa hes afraid of get use to it tifa_martial_artist we prefer aeris aeris aeris aeris aeris aeris aeris aeris
death to tifa death to tifa death to tifa
lol, that was funny. but i still agree with tifa/cloud since i just see the friendship thing going further than Aerith. I still continue on with my pointless argument that Aerith represented hope in a human form. I dont why I continue, since no one is going to be convinced 🙁
Solaris,
That’s really your point of view of how you view Aeris. I’ll just say, Aeris was more than that because the "Friendship" bond thing doesn’t go deep anymore with Tifa when Cloud gains new friends, like Aeris, Vincent, etc. Tifa is of the past and as you grow up, those memories do stay along with the prior and future memories you gain along life. Oh I’m trying to say is, Aeris was important to Cloud just as the memories Cloud gain with her. He’s not heartless to tossed away the memories he gained of Aeris away but he also thought of her as someone precious to him. There’s no denying that Aeris wasn’t precious to Cloud, when she was.
well, that’s how you feel, so I’m not gonna say anything. I’m just the opposite of you…for Tifa.
Solaris,
That’s really your point of view of how you view Aeris. I’ll just say, Aeris was more than that because the "Friendship" bond thing doesn’t go deep anymore with Tifa when Cloud gains new friends, like Aeris, Vincent, etc. Tifa is of the past and as you grow up, those memories do stay along with the prior and future memories you gain along life. Oh I’m trying to say is, Aeris was important to Cloud just as the memories Cloud gain with her. He’s not heartless to tossed away the memories he gained of Aeris away but he also thought of her as someone precious to him. There’s no denying that Aeris wasn’t precious to Cloud, when she was.
As cloud doesnt throw away his memories of Aerith, he didnt throw away his memories with Tifa. Cloud didnt get close with anyone in the party besides Tifa and Aerith.. more so with Tifa as they shared a longer history and she was the only one who got him out of that crazy mental state he was in.
yeah but tifa thought there was something going on between them as in the scene when there trapped in prison hes in a cell with aeris and tifa is next door when she finds out aeris is in the room she goes really sad and quiet has anyone noticed that if tifa knows there must be something going on or am i just imagining things
no you arent, Tifa did go all quiet when Cloud began to talk to Aerith and then Cloud asked her "whats wrong" and Tifa says "nothing at all.."
cloud does care!
In a way, yeah. But its in the same way that he worries and cares for Aeris too. (Maybe just a bit more…and that’s just how I see it.) On the other side, Solaris, there’s nothing wrong with how you post your view and if some of us disagree…mmm..more exactly, it just doesn’t seem right, please don’t take it that we don’t care. I can say that most of us has done our research and cross-examine your perspective of where we just don’t see it in the same way that you see it. So please don’t get mad at any of us because we do listen to what you say, but its just the matter of some of us doing our research and not seeing it the same way…(or something like that…). I hope that clarify to you that we don’t ignore it, some of us cross-examine it first before posting our info./statements/point of view/evindence.
Now some of you might find it boring or enriching,this is an C/A thread, so I’m going to post some info. on the Japanese perspective, one at a time. Everyone all knows that this is a Japanese game that came from Japan and stuff, but when we view who is the couple, we’re just viewing it from a westernized view. Added text were added in, some change, some not, to some scenes that may have confused some of us to know who Cloud love or want to be with. (Just in case some didn’t know) Translating something from Japanese to English can be tricky sometimes. An example would be Lacus conversation with Kira. She said something like,"May I bother you" but the translation was change to a simple "Hello".
On to the colors of what Aeris and Tifa wears. Maybe some of you don’t care, but this is important to the Japanese culture. Aeris wore clothes reserved for the heroine, meaning she was the heroine of the story. Tifa was more merely of a subcharacter. Red is a color associated with love and femininity. So are flowers, which are always associated with Aeris. The red ribbon that Aeris wears represents the concept of predestined love, of where two soulmates are destined together. This is evident because Cloud is able to hear Aeris’s voice called to Cloud at a great distance when she was endangered by Sephiroth. And it is only Cloud to felt Aeris’s presence while the others can’t. Cloud and Aeris have a strong bond with each other that isn’t evident with Cloud and Tifa. The color of black that Tifa wears represent bad luck and death, which have happen to her numerous times.
The other FF heroines like Rinoa, Garnet, and Terra did not dress themselves in pink (pink is consider to be a shade of Red for Japan) because they did not have the innocence and childlike personality of Aeris, but they have not worn black either.
I’m stopping right here but will continue this off as it might turn out to a 10 page post, so I’ll post it one at a time as I try to put it in simpler form for others to understand. ( Just a little note:Please don’t come lashing at me without doing your own research first. It’ll prove that you’re a bit smarter than flaming at others without evidence.)
oh and aeris cloud only you have delivered the information that has made me change my mind somewhat! Its very interesting how the japanese animators have put a bit of their own culture into the game. and If I may add, The other Heroines always were colors that represented feminity such as blue, white, orange and so on.. the colors bring life, luck, love, peace, and will.
hmm but i wonder.. riona wore black under her blue cape thing. wouldnt that represent what tifa had? and also tifa did wear white.. which means peace if im correct..
Tifa_Martial_Artist
Sexiest bitch alive
Registered: Jul 2004
Posts: 192
hahahah
Haha, are you retarded? How many times did you f***k your mom last night
Shes so friendly but cant even spell f#@k right
but was there ant point to it really
But cloud and aeris are still the true couple, tifa smells and stands around telling marlene to do things like look after a bar (wtf shes like 5)
‘Cause when Cait Sith reads the affinity of Cloud and Aeris he says: "You are a perfect couple, invite me for that day"
I dunno if this scene changes due to the variables of the game (like the date at GSaucer) or if it’s always the same…
But, Aeris dies.
If I was Cloud I pick Tifa!!;)
yeah and tma is very immature about it as i told everyone to calm down on the cloud tifa argument and she sent me this
Tifa_Martial_Artist
Sexiest bitch alive
Registered: Jul 2004
Posts: 192
hahahah
Haha, are you retarded? How many times did you f***k your mom last night
Shes so friendly but cant even spell f#@k right
but was there ant point to it really
well that really wasnt necessary on tma’s part. she shouldnt have done that to you.
But notice how when you end up at the train graveyard before the destruction of the Sector 7 plate that he would tell Aeris to go home cuz of his safty, but It was alright for Tifa. He admitted that he didn’t want Tifa involved but he still askes Aeris to go.
That and all the other evidence everyone else has said. So yeah I think that Claoud&Aeris would have been the couple but I guess we just don’t know.
where as tifa can look after herself now im not saying it is wrong or right just my point of view why he asks aeris to go home
Cloud and Tifa are only childhood friends. And even there, how much did they really do together? Tifa was always with her buddys. Cloud wanted to belong to them, but was never accepted. He had to say something what makes Tifa recognize him. So he made up the Soldier story and everything. Tifa was impressed, and started pushing him into the promise thing.
She forced him doing the promise.
He didn’t seem interested to me. Of course not, he was a kid. He didn’t make the promise, because he loves her. He made the promise, because he was forced to. And he probably thought: Ok, lets promise, then she’ll leave me alone with it.
Then later on, when he joined Avalanche, he didn’t seem happy to see Tifa again. She was just an old buddy, that’s it. She started talking about the promise again, and he really didn’t show that interested. He couldn’t even remember. This shows me, he just said it without a meaning.
Then he met Aeris and it was different. You can also see it in the one flashback, when his mother said he should get an older girlfriend and stuff. Yes, he was really thinking about this already.
Tifa was just hoping during the whole game. That’s it. What ever happend she turned it around, to see it the way she wants to see it.
The same with the lifestream. Yes, she helped him out, but she also did it, because she was hoping, he’d find a way to her.
The same with the night under stars. Whatever Tifa said, Cloud was like: Huh? What are you talking about?
He didn’t act like he is in love with her. Not even once!
But he was in love with Aeris. Ok, nothing has happend there, because he was very shy (he never had a girl before), and Aeris died too soon.
But at the end of the game you can also tell, that Cloud only loves Aeris. Because he said these words: "Now I now where I can meet her….."
The way Tifa looked at this moment, was like, she finally realizied that Cloud is always thinking about Aeris, that he only loved her.
And then Tifa said: "Ok, lets go and see her….". 😉
I don’t know, how everything will be in AC. But one thing is sure, to make the story more realistic, Cloud shouldn’t get Tifa.
And if he does, I know Aeris wouldn’t mind, because she knows she’s dead. She can’t be with him anymore…. but we will see….
yeah but in saying that if you think about Aeris is a flower girl from the slums
where as tifa can look after herself now im not saying it is wrong or right just my point of view why he asks aeris to go home
Yes but I don’t think Cloud looks at Aeris that way. She said that she has escaped from the Turks on many occaisions. The slums would have been a rough nabourhood. To withstand all that then she can certainly go thru a Train graveyard and get to the sector 7 plate. She’s a strong women, prahaps not physically or not as strong as Tifa, but in her own way she is very strong. I think that he just coulden’t bare the grief of lose her. (even though he does)
Well anyway I just believe that Cloud and Aeris should be the couple of FFVII. But thats up to Squaresoft0. Again I’m not saying he dosn’t care for Tifa, But I think that he cars for Aeris more.
Again I’m not saying he dosn’t care for Tifa, But I think that he cars for Aeris more.
I don’t say that either. Of course, Cloud cares for Tifa too, but not love-wise. He cares for her as a good friend…..;)
But of course that don’t mean Tifa wins. But I don’t like to think of it as a fight for Clouds heart. They may not like the fact that one may like the other, but they never actually have a dialouge were they fight, or put one down. That I respect. So instead of pitting them against eachother, I see them as both friends.
i was reading a rumor somewhere that they are going to bring aeris back in the ac
I haven’t heard of it. But maybe they don’t bring Aeris back…..maybe they bring Cloud to her! Means, he might die at the end? You never know. Nobody is really thinking about that! 😉
But it has to end somehow, because Cloud being unhappy and lonely without an happy end….. This can’t be! :rolleyes:
On another matter, Cloud states that he thinks he can meet Aeris in the Promised Land. The fact that Cloud says this would be that Aeris didn’t return to the Planet. Remember how Cloud somehow seems able to sense whether or not she has returned to the Planet, which was implied by his statement as they approach the Northern Crater that something has blocked her return to the Planet.
The Promised Land is, in fact, the only place that Aeris can be, since Holy can only be summoned from the Promised Land, which we learn in the Temple of Ancients. Remember that Holy is the White Materia, and therefore it exists as the anti-thesis of the Black Materia.
But since great spiritual power is necessary in order to use the Black Materia, then the same would be true of the White Materia. I would say that Aeris and Cloud both deduce that the kind of spiritual power necessary in order to use the Black Materia can only be found in the Promised Land. Therefore, if the Black Materia can only be used at the Promised Land, the same must be true of the White Materia. In order for Aeris to use the White Materia for summoning Holy, she must be in the Promised Land, which Cloud knows from what he and Aeris discussed in the Temple of Ancient. And it is the Promised Land,exactly, where Cloud says that he can meet her.
People believe, he only sees her in a flashback, but as far as I know, it’ll be like in FF-VII. There was a connection to her in FF-VII already, why shouldn’t it be there in AC?
And I believe their love is strong enough. He’s just thinking about her, their love must be strong enough!
quote: Originally posted by aeriscloud
The fact that Cloud says this would be that Aeris didn’t return to the Planet. Remember how Cloud somehow seems able to sense whether or not she has returned to the Planet, which was implied by his statement as they approach the Northern Crater that something has blocked her return to the Planet.
Yeah, maybe he can meet her in the Promised Land. He is not just a normal human being. He was able to sense her and everything. But I always thought he needs to be dead to go there!?
Yes, I heard countless agrument made by Cloti/Tifa fans that she’s dead and Cloud’s with Tifa.
This doesn’t make sense to me. He never wanted Tifa in the first place. Why now? A few years later?
This would be like: "My love is dead, there is no other girl, ok lets go with Tifa then…..". No, that’s pretty cheap. It would be a kind of mean too. Cloud is not like that.
I just hope they’ll find someone for Tifa too. Not just for the fans, it is also about time to get rid of all these speculations. In other FF parts you know who belongs together and there is always a happy ending. It is about time to bring Cloud and Aeris the happy ending too. They deserve it too. 🙂
(sorry tifa fans, shes ok really :))
selphie,
I know what you mean, there really was no point for TMA to flame/PM you like that. Its good that your keeping your cool. Didja know that TMA is reporting those who post their opinions just because they think differently from the thread title? Besides her calling everyone mentally retarded. That’s going to the extreme. Can’t it be said the same for TMA posting in here out of line?
Solaris,
I didn’t mean it that way and I apoligize. It look like you were disappointed that noone was considering your post,that’s all. But I’m happy that your not angry or anything. It was just when I was reading it, it sounded that way.
About the colors, well. Yes, Tifa did wear white but the color of black stood out more. (As its evident in AC too.) Also, it may have to do with her personality or how she is. Aeris is pretty much lively compared to Tifa.
Comparing this to Tifa, who wears different shades of black, since gray would be considered a shade of black in Japan. To the Japanese culture, black can stand for mourning as well as for cheerless occasions. An example would be the traditional garb for a funeral, is black and white, with black representing the loss. When used by itself, black can represent bad luck or misfortune.
Aeris was vibrant/happy/full of life/klutz. She never gave up on things; she always looked forward to the future. While Tifa is worried, pessimestic,concern and disappointed during the course of the game.
Although the game manual describes Tifa as being ???bright and optimistic???, the game manual only states only what is originally known about each character at the beginning of the game. The game manual, for example, also says that Cloud was a member of SOLDIER, that Marlene is Barret???s daughter, and that Aeris???s birthplace is unknown, all of which is proven to be false during the course of the game. Although Tifa is initially portrayed in the Seventh Heaven as someone who is considered bright and optimistic by the others, the portrayal of her character soon becomes that of a tragic character surrounded by images of loss, unhappiness, and despair.
Solaris,
I didn’t mean it that way and I apoligize. It look like you were disappointed that noone was considering your post,that’s all. But I’m happy that your not angry or anything. It was just when I was reading it, it sounded that way.
About the colors, well. Yes, Tifa did wear white but the color of black stood out more. (As its evident in AC too.) Also, it may have to do with her personality or how she is. Aeris is pretty much lively compared to Tifa.
Comparing this to Tifa, who wears different shades of black, since gray would be considered a shade of black in Japan. To the Japanese culture, black can stand for mourning as well as for cheerless occasions. An example would be the traditional garb for a funeral, is black and white, with black representing the loss. When used by itself, black can represent bad luck or misfortune.
Aeris was vibrant/happy/full of life/klutz. She never gave up on things; she always looked forward to the future. While Tifa is worried, pessimestic,concern and disappointed during the course of the game.
Although the game manual describes Tifa as being ???bright and optimistic???, the game manual only states only what is originally known about each character at the beginning of the game. The game manual, for example, also says that Cloud was a member of SOLDIER, that Marlene is Barret???s daughter, and that Aeris???s birthplace is unknown, all of which is proven to be false during the course of the game. Although Tifa is initially portrayed in the Seventh Heaven as someone who is considered bright and optimistic by the others, the portrayal of her character soon becomes that of a tragic character surrounded by images of loss, unhappiness, and despair.
I can understand that, i can see the point now, after studing other FF’s why Aerith is the love of Cloud. The garment thing can be one, it represents personality and How I said before, how Aerith was hope it seemed as thought Tifa was all Anti-that. From the newer FF’s ive notice there are always three types of girls the cheerful, the love, and the depressed one
(i.e FF8: Rinoa (love), Selphie (happiness), Quistis (Saddness) FF9: Garnet(Love), Eiko(Happiness), Quistis (Saddness).
FF10: Yuna(love), Rikku(Happiness), Lulu( saddness)))
ok maybe what i wrote doesnt make sense so im going to clear it up:
The main male character it seems always go for the more diverse character who is happy and sad but always optimistic and never one or the other. Tifa is very pessimistic and seems to bring cloud down more, despite the fact that she ‘helped’ cloud through his little mental state, she was still very much feeling left behind. I think that was the only thing she could really do in the end to help cloud get to Aerith. I can remember correctly, when they were heading to the northern crater on the highwind, Tifa stands at the front, alone. If you go talk to her she says shes scared but will go anyways for cloud. I think Tifas ultimate goal is not to be with Cloud or to make him love her. Her ultimate goal changes after Aerith’s death… to wantign cloud to be happy. Thats all she wants, and she tries her best to push all feelings aside to have him smile like he used too.
Tifa tries hard, i think people should give her more credit.
Okay, heres a hard and cold slap to the face for many CloudxAerith fans. It’s sad, but true. Aerith is DEAD. So there’s no way for them to be together. I know it’s hard to deny, but it really doesn’t matter if Cloud loved Aerith in FF7, fact is, he can never see her again, ever. Whilst it’s been confirmed that Cloud and Tifa have been living together in AC, and Cloud moved into Aerith’s church because he wanted to hide the fact that he had geostigma from her. He doesn’t want to hurt Tifa, he cares about her, and not in a sisterly way. If he loved her like a sister, than why would he fumble with her orthopedic underwear? :whatever: Why would he have a gigantic and obsessive crush over her as a child? It just doesn’t make sense that he could forget about such a nice and sexy young lady. :laugh:
Now Aerith, well, he just met her. He barely knew her and she pushed her way into his buisiness. He never cared about her anyway, she was begging to come with him on their journey, and to help find Tifa. It was clear that he wanted to rescue Tifa, not "protect" his dear Aerith.
Some say that Cloud "Cried" more for Aerith at her death than when Tifa got stabbed and when Zack died. To compare these scenes is cruel and unfair. Fact is, you can’t tell what polygons do. Cloud was shaking, mad, and enraged when Zack got shot and died. And when Tifa got stabbed, he was so mad that he fueled up enough rage to kill Sephiorth. That’s why he did. For Zack, his mom, Tifa, and his town.
Yeah, Aeris is dead, that’s true, and it’s sensible to point that out, and the unlikeliness of Aeris’ rebirth. The only way Cloud and Aeris could/can be together would be in death, I fear.
However, as has been mentioned before, Aeris being dead does not automatically mean Cloud loves Tifa. But it is a possibility. Just don’t act as if Cloud really never even cared for Aeris, that is ridiculous.
Advent children will probably give a definite answer to who Cloud is going to end up with.
Possibilities:
a) moves on to Tifa
b) continues to live on alone/ with his memories of Aeris
c) dies -> which can be seen as "with Aeris"
Yay, I do favour c)… It’s the nicest story.
There are Japanese romances that are portrayed in literature and films that was also portrayed in FFVII. Fukano Na is the impossible. While another central theme in Japanese romance is perseverance, or gambare. So to persevere in the impossible, way beyond any rational or realistic expectation, is a very strong theme in Japanese stories of romance. This theme is pretty much common with Japanese romances and it becomes clear that Cloud does intend to go back to Aeris when he said that he can meet her at the Promise Land. In our westrenized view, many had said that Cloud can’t do the impossible, to meet Aeris because she’s dead. But doing this kind of perservance out of love for someone is commonly found in tragic love stories of Japan. Again, another argument in westrenized views says that Cloud will choose to move on and live with Tifa or he can’t be with Aeris anymore. These are really agruements based on Westren cultural ideas as the Japanese perspective is different. A common theme of tragic love is committing seppuku or ritual suicide, for the sake of love.
The love suicide is a very popular theme of tragic love stories in Japan. In these stories a pair of lovers, unable to come together in life, commit suicide in the hope of escaping their earthly obligations and being reborn together in paradise. These stories were wildly popular in their own day, and the themes and images continue to appear in contemporary popular culture, from TV soap operas to anime.
Although this kind of thinking is unpalatable to many in the Western audience, it is seen as ???a model of true love??? in Japanese literature, and the concept is popular even today in Japan. We have seen that Cloud and Aeris were connected by a thread of true love in the symbolism of the Japanese. (It was in my last posts about the ribbon.The red ribbon that Aeris wears represents the concept of predestined love, of where two soulmates are destined together.) Therefore, it is not impossible that Cloud, unable to come together in life with Aeris, decides to do this after defeating Sephiroth in order to be reborn together with Aeris in paradise. Cloud???s words in the final FMV, ???I think I can meet her??? there???, indicate that Cloud chooses to go back to Aeris.
I’m posting a pic. for an example of what I meant about the red ribbon. Red ribbons are interlace between Cloud and Aeris. Although its just a doujinshi cover, that is what the ribbons represent: The concept of predestined love.
The pink ribbon doesn’t mean she is backing off, it means she misses Aerith as a friend.
Okay, heres a hard and cold slap to the face for many CloudxAerith fans. It’s sad, but true. Aerith is DEAD. So there’s no way for them to be together. I know it’s hard to deny, but it really doesn’t matter if Cloud loved Aerith in FF7, fact is, he can never see her again, ever. Whilst it’s been confirmed that Cloud and Tifa have been living together in AC, and Cloud moved into Aerith’s church because he wanted to hide the fact that he had geostigma from her. He doesn’t want to hurt Tifa, he cares about her, and not in a sisterly way. If he loved her like a sister, than why would he fumble with her orthopedic underwear? :whatever: Why would he have a gigantic and obsessive crush over her as a child? It just doesn’t make sense that he could forget about such a nice and sexy young lady. :laugh:
Now Aerith, well, he just met her. He barely knew her and she pushed her way into his buisiness. He never cared about her anyway, she was begging to come with him on their journey, and to help find Tifa. It was clear that he wanted to rescue Tifa, not "protect" his dear Aerith.
Some say that Cloud "Cried" more for Aerith at her death than when Tifa got stabbed and when Zack died. To compare these scenes is cruel and unfair. Fact is, you can’t tell what polygons do. Cloud was shaking, mad, and enraged when Zack got shot and died. And when Tifa got stabbed, he was so mad that he fueled up enough rage to kill Sephiorth. That’s why he did. For Zack, his mom, Tifa, and his town.
But is Aerith really dead? I mean we dont really know that, since at the end of FF7 you see her there. In my speculation I can say that she never did return to the life stream. I dont even think Tifa cares for Cloud like that anymore.. she just seems to attatched to the fact that she wants Cloud to be Happy and she wants him to find Aerith. When He catches Tifa he says "i think i can meet her there in the promised land" and Tifa just says "yes lets go meet her" its just that, she wants cloud to finally be settled in his heart.
So just because Aerith may be dead does not mean Tifa magically wins clouds heart.
Also on the suicide for love note, I doubt cloud would go off and commit suicide (not as literally go off.. lol you get what i mean) but I think during some battle he would be determined to avenge Aerith against those guys in AC and maybe die in battle for her (at least thats how i see it, die in battle for the one woman he loves)
you hear me talking now about AerithxCloud! lol only you, aeriscloud, was able to convince me why Cloud was destined for Aerith. I just had to read on japanese culture after that :p
Like I said before I am a CloudxAerith fan, but most people assume that Cloud will be with Aeris weather it’s death or she returns to life. But no one seems to think that he may move on.
AC is not out yet, so its not really confirm if Cloud did lived with Tifa or what he’s feeling now. Although, its possible he might died. Tokiko, your last answer could be right.
I also had mentioned this before. To me, this would be the "perfect" ending. It is sadder and more dramatic, but also romantic. Because this shows true love! I like it this way. :rolleyes:
If Tifa and Cloud came together, it would be a "dirty" ending. 🙁
And since Aeris is dead, there must be a way for them. Maybe he can just visit her in the lifestream or he is going to die at the end. I don’t know, if he has to do seppuku for that though.
Originally Posted by Aerisfreak91
Hey peoples guess what i just heard! Tifa wears a pink ribbon around her arm in memory of Aeris. AND Tifa knows Cloud still luvs Aeris so she is backing Off! So there correct me if i’m wrong but i saw it on a website! Oh and Cloud is still Mourning for her.
Yes, I also believe she wears the pink ribbon in memory of Aeris, because she misses her somehow.
But of course, Tifa knows, Cloud only (and still) loves Aeris. She already noticed at the end of the FF-VII game. You could see that on her face, and the way she was acting.
The only thing I know is, in AC Tifa and Cloud are doing business together. But that doesn’t mean, there must be more….. 😉
(On what website was that? I want to read about it too)
Solaris,
Thank you for the comment. I’m glad you find the Japanese Perspective enriching. I think most gamers are just looking at it from a Westren perspective, that’s why ‘those’ things are said. (Aeris dead, etc…stuff). Its more like a cultural barrier to understanding. LOL, heh, the love suicide thing. Well, its pretty well known. I don’t think Cloud will commit suicide but it can be like, wanting to die for your love one. Its pretty common in Asian culture and I can vouch for that. If the love and bond is strong, then even death itself can’t defeat the two lovers. That’s why I believe that Cloud can meet Aeris because the two can meet each other, even if there’s boundaries between them.
On the other hand, I’m going to talk about Cloud’s grief. I have heard the countless agruments that he didn’t care about her, he didn’t cry, she’s not important,etc. The fact is, most gamers are looking at it from a westren perspective. In Japan, you are not allowed to cry aloud during the funeral and if you do…well, some people will think you can’t control your emotions and a weirdo. And yes, I can vouch for that since I’m asian and most asian cultures are pretty much the same with that unless you were born in the US or another country and taught differently.
Just because Cloud has not been bawling his eyes out never automatically sums up that he does not care for Aeris at all. Will NA audiences like it even better if Cloud breaks down, sobbing like a girl? His character is the stoic, cold guy. And guys are encouraged not to cry or show their emotion normally.
Cloud also chooses to grief inwardly. Again, that is how Japanese has been taught to grieve if the loved one passes away. You never ever attend a funeral and bawl your eyes not. That’s like a taboo.
Of course,one thing that often confuses the Western gamers is that there are no scenes in Disk Two where Cloud is shown to mourn the loss of Aeris. Some Westerners take this as an indication that Aeris didn???t actually mean that much to Cloud. Cloud is grieving toward her death inwardly but still talks about Aeris and the memories they had. It’s really enough to say that he was greiving for her, probably not out loud, but silently in his heart and mind.
i think the grief of loosing Aerith overpassed actual crying. that does happen you know :p
Oh and Solaris,
I didn’t get a chance to fully respond. But you are right in what you said about how the colors match their personality or how they act…etc. Garnet(happiness)…etc. I confirmed it with my Japanese Teacher and Tutors. That’s what I thought too, about how the colors match the characters on their personality or how they act. O:]
lol, im glad I was right with one assumption. I rememberd all that from this presentation i had to do on japanese culture (clothing, and womens roles etc.) so from what you wrote how FF gets many influences from the culture itself. So i related my presentation on the past and present and how its relating to pop culture!
lol, this stuff is helping me get these great remarks from my teacher..
I didn’t cry at all. As much I like her she’s anly a fictional video game character. I don’t cry over things like that.
It all happened so quick, that he really didn’t have time to react. Plus he likes to bottle up his emotions rather then show them.
So just because Aerith may be dead does not mean Tifa magically wins clouds heart.
Also on the suicide for love note, I doubt cloud would go off and commit suicide (not as literally go off.. lol you get what i mean) but I think during some battle he would be determined to avenge Aerith against those guys in AC and maybe die in battle for her (at least thats how i see it, die in battle for the one woman he loves)
you hear me talking now about AerithxCloud! lol only you, aeriscloud, was able to convince me why Cloud was destined for Aerith. I just had to read on japanese culture after that :p
Haha, and let me guess where you got this so called "evidence" from? Destiny Fulfilled? That seems to be the place where all Cleariths go, it’s sad really, because all they can do is just tell you "Japan" this, "Japan" that. It’s annoying, really. I bet you’re one of those people who thinks "I want to meet you" means I want to be your boyfriend/I want to have a sexual relashionship with you. THAT’S SOOO RETARDED. LOL. Just let me ask you this question, then. If Tifa had died instead of Aeris, would you beleive that Cloud was destined for Tifa? Do you think he would commit suicide just to be with her? Don’t tell me your answer would be yes, because I know it isn’t. Japanese culture doesn’t count, honey, and whatever CloudAeris has been sticking into your brain is just another one of those evil Destiny Fulfilled brain washing thingies..Besides, Aeris IS dead. How can you ignore that fact? It IS fact. And it’s also a fact that Cloud has been living with Tifa. Of all the people Iv’e talked to so far, only the Cloriths have denied the simple truth, just like everything else 100% Cloti.
Sorry if i was too harsh.
One – its not necessary to make those rash judgements about me, when you dont know me. That shows your level of immaturity, on how you cant state your argument without having to put someone down. I wont go as low as you so ill turn the other cheek.
Two- I wouldnt say either way that Tifa was for Cloud. I used to be a Cloti fan, but now im neither Clorith or Cloti. Because its just a matter on how you view their actual relationship. No I didnt get my sources from that place you said, I was actually reading it up in my history text books and even went to the library to take out a book on japanese fashion and womans roles and such. And if Tifa did die, then thats another story, but since she didnt then we stick to the actual argument of CloudxAerith. Tifa just seems negative, saddening, and depressive.. something like what Cloud is. Has anyone told you if you have someone who is just as sad as you, you shouldnt have them in your life since their hurting you more also? Well its like that, Tifa would bring cloud down more, while Aerith has this more optimistic view, this view that maybe life isnt as bad as it seems to be.
Three- I think your just frustrated now, since you can find good evidence to support Tifa with Cloud. So you take it out on people by judging them and cursing them.. i think im repeating one, but maybe it might be easier to understand here. Very immature on your part. grow up.
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one more thing, Japanese culture does count. Because from the FF’s ive played, there is a huge influence of the japan culture in the FF games.
Two- I wouldnt say either way that Tifa was for Cloud. I used to be a Cloti fan, but now im neither Clorith or Cloti. Because its just a matter on how you view their actual relationship. No I didnt get my sources from that place you said, I was actually reading it up in my history text books and even went to the library to take out a book on japanese fashion and womans roles and such. And if Tifa did die, then thats another story, but since she didnt then we stick to the actual argument of CloudxAerith. Tifa just seems negative, saddening, and depressive.. something like what Cloud is. Has anyone told you if you have someone who is just as sad as you, you shouldnt have them in your life since their hurting you more also? Well its like that, Tifa would bring cloud down more, while Aerith has this more optimistic view, this view that maybe life isnt as bad as it seems to be.
Three- I think your just frustrated now, since you can find good evidence to support Tifa with Cloud. So you take it out on people by judging them and cursing them.. i think im repeating one, but maybe it might be easier to understand here. Very immature on your part. grow up.
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one more thing, Japanese culture does count. Because from the FF’s ive played, there is a huge influence of the japan culture in the FF games.
Hmmm…Solaris, that’s false about Tifa being too depressed or Passemistic. She is known for Optimism in the game and that is a fact that states in the official books. You don’t have to change your love for Cloti just because what others think. Just stick with the ones you love if you love them that much. But if you want to change you mind to a Clorith fan because you agree with others views, I respect that too. Just be yourself is what I’m trying to say and don’t stop loving the characters you love.
Do you remember Tifa always saying "it’ll be okay" in even the toughest situations? That show positvity and optimism. Tifa is completley oppostite of Passemistic. Even from her unhappy childhood, she still continues to move on, staying positive, and keep giving Cloud the confidence he needs to carry on! She even said, "Don’t worry, think!", meaning, when situations get tough, she calmly finds the right solutions to get out of it without being sad or angry. Not saying you are, but Clorith fans and Anti-Tifa people deny that in her! They deny that she isn’t bright and optimistic, when Square is even pointing out that she is.
Do you remember Tifa always saying "it’ll be okay" in even the toughest situations? That show positvity and optimism. Tifa is completley oppostite of Passemistic. Even from her unhappy childhood, she still continues to move on, staying positive, and keep giving Cloud the confidence he needs to carry on! She even said, "Don’t worry, think!", meaning, when situations get tough, she calmly finds the right solutions to get out of it without being sad or angry. Not saying you are, but Clorith fans and Anti-Tifa people deny that in her! They deny that she isn’t bright and optimistic, when Square is even pointing out that she is.
I stated above im neither a Cloti or Clorith fan. Its just plain .. weird to have so much hate or love for a character that doesnt exist.
I just say, I thought of Tifa and Cloud first but theres more reason for Aerith than Tifa. The game books and anything else just state the characters on how you meet them in the beginning. Afterwards you see that things are not really as they were told to you. Tifa can be optimistic, but honestly, Ive had people that were in sadder positions than I was 2 years ago and told me " You can do it" or "its alright things will get better" fact is, anyone can say it and not really mean it in their own hearts. Tifa is pessimistic thinker, she longs for cloud yet gives up. I decided to do her date sequence, and it came out more interesting than Aerith. Aerith and Cloud enjoy each other, while Tifa and Cloud sit there, and she speaks to him and he stays silent most of the time. She tells him lets go here and there and pushes him foward. Then when they are in the gondala, she was about to tell him she loves him and stops. It just seems, she doesnt have the courage to break apart Clouds new road. Tifa loves him so much that she wants him to be happy, so she pushes cloud to continue foward with the journey to save the planet and to find Aerith, despite her own saddness. Its not generally optimistic, since shes seeing no future whats oh ever for her and cloud.
Her pessims, shows in many sequences, and she seems to try and to push cloud foward so at least something she loves comes out right.
Like Freya’s quote in FF9 to be forgotten is worser then death, well in this case it may be.
Sorry, but I did not state that he should go with Tifa at all. If I was implying that I would say "I think he should go with Tifa."
All I was saying is that everyone assumes that Aerith will ether come back or he goes to her. But I was just saying what would happen if she forgot him. Or what would happen if he moved on with his life and accepted that she is dead and she won’t be comming back.
Thats true, but being since she really was the only person that was able to make him feel comfortable he would grieve for her for a good time.
I just say, I thought of Tifa and Cloud first but theres more reason for Aerith than Tifa. The game books and anything else just state the characters on how you meet them in the beginning. Afterwards you see that things are not really as they were told to you. Tifa can be optimistic, but honestly, Ive had people that were in sadder positions than I was 2 years ago and told me " You can do it" or "its alright things will get better" fact is, anyone can say it and not really mean it in their own hearts. Tifa is pessimistic thinker, she longs for cloud yet gives up. I decided to do her date sequence, and it came out more interesting than Aerith. Aerith and Cloud enjoy each other, while Tifa and Cloud sit there, and she speaks to him and he stays silent most of the time. She tells him lets go here and there and pushes him foward. Then when they are in the gondala, she was about to tell him she loves him and stops. It just seems, she doesnt have the courage to break apart Clouds new road. Tifa loves him so much that she wants him to be happy, so she pushes cloud to continue foward with the journey to save the planet and to find Aerith, despite her own saddness. Its not generally optimistic, since shes seeing no future whats oh ever for her and cloud.
Her pessims, shows in many sequences, and she seems to try and to push cloud foward so at least something she loves comes out right.
That’s still not true Solaris. Tifa at the end of the game stays postitive. I disagree with you completly. She is not sad. She never gives up. I do not see than in her. You guys said it yourself that she backs away from Cloud, but she’s being positive about what Cloud wants.
I think it’s foolish Clorith believing Quistis, Freya, and Lulu are the rip-offs of Tifa, and think Rinoa, Garnet, and Yuna being the rip-off of Aerith. That doesn’t mean anything to me. Tifa was way more positive compared to Quistis etc., Tifa’s not a rat lady, and Tifa is more nicer than Lulu. Tifa never was once sad in the present when she was 20. She always looks to the brighter side of things and see’s there will always be good times. I agree with what the books say. Tifa may have had a sadder childhood and not as talkative as Aerith, but that doesn’t mean she can’t be happy. Tifa can still be less hyper, and be happy on the inside. You don’t have to be hyper and noisy as Yuffie, or talkative and repeative as Aerith to be happy. Tifa is a positive person, and that’s all there is to it.
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Truth is, Aerith and Cloud are officially the true lovers of FF7, with further proof in Kingdom Hearts, as well as gameplay, and now in AC. Cloud is so mournful of Aerith and how he couldn’t save her that he is in fact living in her church at the time of advent children. I think that’s extremely touching, a bit sad, and true, eternal love.
Besides,…I think Tifa would be great with Reno =P
And to refresh the memorys of others who don’t know that Cloud was living with Tifa BEFORE he moved in the church..Well, she says, "Why didn’t he tell me" or something like that, and he has her voice mail, it is fact. He hides in Aerith’s church because he’s hiding the fact he has geostigma.
And to refresh the memorys of others who don’t know that Cloud was living with Tifa BEFORE he moved in the church..Well, she says, "Why didn’t he tell me" or something like that, and he has her voice mail, it is fact. He hides in Aerith’s church because he’s hiding the fact he has geostigma.
I do agree with everything TMA said. Never dating anyone for the rest of his life because Aerith is dead(and he can’t get over it not even in 20) is like a disease and a disorder. Maybe that’s what makes Aerith a threat to Cloud and Tifa’s relationship.
Im a Clorith fan, and I dont deny that Tifa is optimistic. Tifa IS optimistic, shes always cheering on the rest of the team, it even says that in her description, but so is Aeris. Aeris gives Tifa advice at the beginning of the game. She says "Dont ever give up hope" or something like that. Even optimistic characters need re-assuring once in a while.
I think Aeris is best for Cloud, because of her hope. Not once during the game, did Aeris give up, complain, or make people feel sorry for her. All she did was good through out her life, never lied, never did anything to hurt anyone else. Aeris didnt even make any mistakes, like Tifa did. Tifa lied to Cloud, Aeris never did. Also, she isnt afraid to express her feelings. On Tifa and Cloud’s date, all Tifa says is "I…I….I…" Their relationship wouldnt go anywhere, if she isnt true to Cloud. Thats why Cloud needs someone outgoing and honest with her feelings. Cloud had a childhood crush, nothing more. Even more than a little crush, he just wanted a friend, and none of Tifa’s friends, or Tifa, could give that to him. From the beginning, Cloud is lonely, and at the end, he remains that way. The only time he was brought out, and even somewhat happy, was when Aeris was by his side. Tifa tried to come back for Cloud but it was too late. If she was nice to him from the beginning, maybe it could have worked, but leaving someone out, and then lying to them for the rest of their lives is too far to go, when you call yourself a friend. Its true, Tifa helps him get through it, but, she made him HAVE to go through it.
So, I stand by Cloud/Aeris.
Im a Clorith fan, and I dont deny that Tifa is optimistic. Tifa IS optimistic, shes always cheering on the rest of the team, it even says that in her description, but so is Aeris. Aeris gives Tifa advice at the beginning of the game. She says "Dont ever give up hope" or something like that. Even optimistic characters need re-assuring once in a while.
You’re one of the Clorith fans I know who see’s Tifa’s good sides, and I’ve always known that about you. I do remember Aerith saying "Don’t give up", but Tifa agreed because she knew it was the right thing. I think Tifa may be alittle more quiter because she just likes to keep her cool, and doesn’t want to over do it on jumping all over Cloud. That’s good to. I do know Aerith and Tifa are also alike in alot of ways. They both have had an unhappy childhood, and yet, they remain optimistic about everything, they both had carers after there parents died(Tifa Zanghan & Aerith Elmyra), then they remain calm, cool collective, and positive. The only way that they’re different is that Aerith seems to have alittle more energy, and Tifa is alittle more cool collecitive. That’s why i like them both so much, and all those things helped them get along so good!
To not let the emotions go(you can still love them), and to refuse to date anyone else is like a disease; an emotional disease, like a syndrome.
I’m sorry, but there is no way to ressurect Aerith. If there he think’s there is, poor Cloud is in denial. I heard Aerith will not get ressurected in AC, so, that’s the way it is. When a lover’s lover dies, people do find another, but will still have a place in the old lover’s heart. He can date Tifa, but that doesn’t mean he’s betraying Aerith because in my beliefs, when your in heaven, you don’t get jealous. Aerith would be happy if Tifa’s taking care of Cloud and she wouldn’t want Cloud to be sad his whole life. So, even Aerith(I think) would’nt want Cloud to be mopey and sad the rest of his life. She’d want him to be happy while he still lives. So I agree he has this ‘geostigma’.
We still havent reached a conclusion, cant we do a poll or something?
I dont know :/
Solaris,
I want to thank you for sticking up for the Japanese Culture. What TMA stated is like throwing insults to the Culture and language. Japanese Cultural references are throw in the game as it is to many anime/manga. To what Solaris stated and I stated on Japanese Cultural references, those are all true. I’m not sure on Solaris, but all of my information and research has come from researching books, talking to my Japanese Tutors/Teachers, and cross-referencing symbolism in Japan. And yes, the famous "I want to Meet You" is saying "I want a relationship with you or I want to be your boyfriend/girlfriend." (via confirm by Japanese Tutor&Teacher) An indirect translation would be something like,"I want to be your sweet heart" or in the same way when you ask someone to be your boyfriend/girlfriend or ask them for a date (in westrenized view, that is). TMA, if you wanna stoop that low, don’t try to retort others agruments or their positions. Basically, you have no proof or evidence to back up what your saying. And if you haven’t done your Japanese Cultural/language research,you’re basically retorting others statements about it without nothing to back up what your saying…more exactly, your just turning a blind eye to it. Refusing to understand another culture is idiocy.
TifaRinoa,
I don’t think Solaris meant it that way. What Solaris says is true. Whatever was stated in the Game manuel books is only in the beginning until you discover that it is highly not true or what was thought of. In many ways, Tifa is like that and in many ways, she’s not. She’s more like a tragic sub-heroine character. Tifa is surrounded by images of loss, unhappiness, and despair. And there were times that she display disappointment, and perhaps even jealousy, due to the amount of attention and concern that Cloud devotes on Aeris. More or less, I think most gamers are looking at in from a Westren perspective, that’s why you see her as being bright and positive. If you look at it from a Japanese perspective, its not exactly that way.
And to Quistis and the others for being called so-called ripoffs or Rinoa and the others for being called the same thing, that’s still westrenized views coming from some cloris or cloti fan views. Its more of the colors that me and Solaris were talking about. In Japan, the shades of black and gray that Tifa wears represents bad luck, loss and misfortune. The color red that Aeris wears is a color associated with love and femininity. So are flowers, which are always associated with Aeris. A red ribbon, such as Aeris wears, is the concept of predestined love, where two soulmates are tied together by a red ribbon of fate. Many Japanese do believe in this as it was via confirm by my Japanese Tutor.
Yes, there’s no way to resurrect Aeris…but that is still in Westrenized view. In the Japanese view, you can do the impossible as long as you believe in it. Cloud can persevere to the impossible or fukano na gambare. This kind of meaning is way beyond rational or realistic expectation. Cloud’s goal of meeting Aeris at the Promise Land is beyond rational or realistic expectations.
If Cloud doesn’t end up with Tifa, then in Westrenized view, many would see it as Cloud having emotional problems or a total loser who can’t move on with his life. This view can be rebuttal if you’re raised from a different culture and believe differently.(Well, FF7 is a Japanese game.) If Cloud chose to be alone and in his seach of the Promise Land, he’s doing the impossible to reach Aeris. Cloud shouldn’t be slang at, just because he choose his path. As in many Asian culture and the Japanese, if the love/bond is deeply tied to the lovers and strong, both of them can do the impossible to meet each other again. And, yes, I can vouch for that since I’m Asian myself..unless they were born here in the U.S. or taught differently.
Cloud shouldn’t be ridiculed just because he wants to do the impossible or is not with Tifa. Just because he’s not ready to moved on doesn’t mean he has an emotionally disorder or a loser. That’s just all from a Westrenized view of where the Japanese and/or other Asian cultures’ perspectives were ignore…but more of the Japanese perspective never look into. If Cloud chooses not to move on because of his bond/love for Aeris, the Japanese perspective and many other Asian perspectives would view this as a form of true eternal love, a bond that can’t be broken between the two lovers.
In the Japanese culture, the body and the soul are forever connected, even in death. So the afterlife is not just that of the soul, but both body and soul. The two cannot be separated. According to Shinto belief, every person after death becomes a kami, a supernatural being who continues to have a part in the life of the community, nation, and family, while existing in another state or dimension.
A little info. on Japanese insight, I seem to recalled that Aeris has an umberlla in the game…if you could get the 5000 pts. or so to get it. Even though its like an in-joke weapon, it does has its meaning in Japanese. It means,Ai-Ai Gasa or "Love-Love Umbrella." It can also translate to, "Two under the same umbrella", as it is associated with couples in love.
Like American couples (or sweethearts) carve their love on the trunk of a tree, Japanese sweethearts draw this as an expression of their love. O:]
I don’t think Solaris meant it that way. What Solaris says is true. Whatever was stated in the Game manuel books is only in the beginning until you discover that it is highly not true or what was thought of. In many ways, Tifa is like that and in many ways, she’s not. She’s more like a tragic sub-heroine character. Tifa is surrounded by images of loss, unhappiness, and despair. And there were times that she display disappointment, and perhaps even jealousy, due to the amount of attention and concern that Cloud devotes on Aeris. More or less, I think most gamers are looking at in from a Westren perspective, that’s why you see her as being bright and positive. If you look at it from a Japanese perspective, its not exactly that way.
And to Quistis and the others for being called so-called ripoffs or Rinoa and the others for being called the same thing, that’s still westrenized views coming from some cloris or cloti fan views. Its more of the colors that me and Solaris were talking about. In Japan, the shades of black and gray that Tifa wears represents bad luck, loss and misfortune. The color red that Aeris wears is a color associated with love and femininity. So are flowers, which are always associated with Aeris. A red ribbon, such as Aeris wears, is the concept of predestined love, where two soulmates are tied together by a red ribbon of fate. Many Japanese do believe in this as it was via confirm by my Japanese Tutor.
Yes, there’s no way to resurrect Aeris…but that is still in Westrenized view. In the Japanese view, you can do the impossible as long as you believe in it. Cloud can persevere to the impossible or fukano na gambare. This kind of meaning is way beyond rational or realistic expectation. Cloud’s goal of meeting Aeris at the Promise Land is beyond rational or realistic expectations.
If Cloud doesn’t end up with Tifa, then in Westrenized view, many would see it as Cloud having emotional problems or a total loser who can’t move on with his life. This view can be rebuttal if you’re raised from a different culture and believe differently.(Well, FF7 is a Japanese game.) If Cloud chose to be alone and in his seach of the Promise Land, he’s doing the impossible to reach Aeris. Cloud shouldn’t be slang at, just because he choose his path. As in many Asian culture and the Japanese, if the love/bond is deeply tied to the lovers and strong, both of them can do the impossible to meet each other again. And, yes, I can vouch for that since I’m Asian myself..unless they were born here in the U.S. or taught differently.
Cloud shouldn’t be ridiculed just because he wants to do the impossible or is not with Tifa. Just because he’s not ready to moved on doesn’t mean he has an emotionally disorder or a loser. That’s just all from a Westrenized view of where the Japanese and/or other Asian cultures’ perspectives were ignore…but more of the Japanese perspective never look into. If Cloud chooses not to move on because of his bond/love for Aeris, the Japanese perspective and many other Asian perspectives would view this as a form of true eternal love, a bond that can’t be broken between the two lovers.
In the Japanese culture, the body and the soul are forever connected, even in death. So the afterlife is not just that of the soul, but both body and soul. The two cannot be separated. According to Shinto belief, every person after death becomes a kami, a supernatural being who continues to have a part in the life of the community, nation, and family, while existing in another state or dimension.
A little info. on Japanese insight, I seem to recalled that Aeris has an umberlla in the game…if you could get the 5000 pts. or so to get it. Even though its like an in-joke weapon, it does has its meaning in Japanese. It means,Ai-Ai Gasa or "Love-Love Umbrella." It can also translate to, "Two under the same umbrella", as it is associated with couples in love.
Like American couples (or sweethearts) carve their love on the trunk of a tree, Japanese sweethearts draw this as an expression of their love. O:]
Hmmm…..I must say aeriscloud, this is a very neat thing to learn! In Japanese culture, pink & red means love, then black means misfortune and bad luck. I can’t be too sure that these are facts if Square wanted this as the official couple, but this is a very cool theory you have here :cool:! I like it alot! I wonder what it’d mean if I wear pink and black….hmmm….I know I wear pink occasionally, but I won’t wear it unless I have it with black. Maybee I wear this because of both. I’m glad I learned something new about the Japanese culture from you! I am Western(born in Florida and grew up in California), so you do make a good point here. In reality there’s no way to bring the dead back to life, but I like how the Japanese believe you can do anything if you just have faith! I guess I like to wear black because I had an unhappy childhood in the beggining, and like Rei Ayanami from Evangelion, I used to have a disorder to find it diffucult to explain my feelings(the words would come out retarded), thus, I had a hard time making friends, but not anymore. Because of an old friend who taught me to be more outgoing, I’m happier and more optimistic now. That’s why I never stopped defending Tifa, because she resembled me in all those ways.
Well anyway, I like your perspective alot. I’ll stick with what you told me though, don’t stop loving the couples you love, if your love is strong enough. My love for Cloti will never die out, and my love for the couple Cloud & Tifa will still be strong and go on.
Don’t worry; I would never call Cloud a loser. If it is a disorder, I would just feel really bad for him, because having disorders in my past, I remember being called stupid, retarded, and it hurt terrible! That’s where my sympathy for Cloud come’s in; after what happened to his childhood, and all, the same things happened to me, Cloud, and Tifa, all those things happening to me, maybee that’s another reason why I favor the coupling. I have dearest sympathy for the two, and I feel they understand eachother because the same terrible things happened to them. If you understand eachother, that’s where love starts.
I love your Japanese Perspective of it!
So who ever Cloud ends up with doesn’t really bother me cuz his just a character from a game.
I don’t like idea of debating over which girl he ends up getting, but still. Way to ruin the fun.
So who ever Cloud ends up with doesn’t really bother me cuz his just a character from a game.
Of course it wouldn’t bother me ;). No matter who he ends up with anyway, I’ll still love Cloud and Tifa, because thanking aeriscloud, I’ve been inspired to stay with the couples I love if they’re my liking is strong enough. I’m okay.
Yeah. But I mean the point I’m trying to make here at least is that if Cloud can’t love Tifa just because she was a childhood crush..Then why do people assume he still greives over Aerith after TWO years like a sad, lost puppy? I dissagree of course…Ressurecting Aeris or having Cloud die and confirm that he loves Aerith to me would be..Cheesy and so un-true. I’m not saying anything against Japanese culture, but trying to give quotes from Destiny Fulfilled not knowing if ther’e even true or not is not a very reliable source..Besides, I bet 90% of you Cloriths can’t even speak Japanese.
On the other hand, I think Tifa liked Cloud more than Aeris did. But it doesn’t have to mean that Cloud likes her back. Though I remember when they were at the Highwind, Tifa said something like "There are so many things I want to tell you, Cloud" and he responds by saying something like "I’ve wanted to tell you a lot of things too." I can’t remember if it was in past or present tense o.O
Actually, have you ever thought that he likes BOTH of them? I smell a threesome… XD j/k. But it is possible. Then again it might not be =P
Hey it’s just a theory. I don’t believe the game states that he has to be with Tifa or Aerith. Although he most likley will, but it’s just a thought.
TMA-
Its not cheesy at all. Its more of those tragic love indeundos that happen. People have such a western attitude about this triangle. Hes not a sad puppy just because he grieves his lover for two years. Many people now a days dont remarry after their wife/husband had died to keep the bond justified. Like as to say, "I only loved him/her and no one can change that not even death". I actually find it very romantic, that he would not want anyone just to be with her.
And also there really isnt much evidence that Cloud loves Tifa. There is an undoubtable strong bond between the two, having shared a fake life together, but Cloud was able to speak more freely and act more like himself with Aerith. Its just that, many Cloti fans I see, dont find a good argument to why Tifa should be with Cloud. I would like to see the two together, but Square made Aerith and Cloud official together and Im happy with that.
Tifa Rinoa:
Its just that there isnt very much proof for Cloud loving Tifa. Tifa is very much like aeriscloud said a sub-heroine in the story, and she really is just the female character to replace Aerith. I never said that lulu or quistis were rip-offs of tifa, i said that their relation that there is always a loving character, a energectic character, and a depressed character. Tifa in this would fall into the more depressed and complex of characters. Tifa can be optimistic, but most of the time shes lost in her own thoughts, and she pushes people so she can push herself as well. To see that others are being strong makes her want to be strong too.
Tifa just doesnt provide that sense of comfort and security that Aerith provides. Aerith just seemed warm and genuine. Tifa was distant, and unsure of herself. So In any case, Cloud would be attracted to her warmth, her sincerity and her wanting to see Cloud be happy.
Mickrulz:
Thats a possiblity but it just wouldnt fit to well with the whole story line. Also cloud just doesnt seem like the type of person to go out and make new friends just for the sake of it. He made friends with the characters in FF7 cause he had to in many cases, and none of them were really ‘friends’ but thats another arguemtn there :p
Thought so.
If this thread is so boring, then don’t post in it.
And normally, threads don’t get closed as soon as everything has been said and done, but only if the forum rules get tortured and violated in it. The Tifa/Cloud thread went overboard, not only was it repetitive, but people were argueing, insulting one another, and acting like idiots.
This thread has been more peaceful, all in all. At leats from what I have seen. And it will not get closed because you think the topic is finished. If you think so, don’t post in there. If you think things get repetitive, then don’t post repetitive stuff. Let the thread be, forget it, let it die, or something. 🙁
If this thread is so boring, then don’t post in it.
And normally, threads don’t get closed as soon as everything has been said and done, but only if the forum rules get tortured and violated in it. The Tifa/Cloud thread went overboard, not only was it repetitive, but people were argueing, insulting one another, and acting like idiots.
This thread has been more peaceful, all in all. At leats from what I have seen. And it will not get closed because you think the topic is finished. If you think so, don’t post in there. If you think things get repetitive, then don’t post repetitive stuff. Let the thread be, forget it, let it die, or something. 🙁
Well, I was just saying what I think.
Look at it this way Tokiko. When the thread starter made this thread he/she must have know that this would turn into a debait. And it did just that. Aerith and Tifa fans had a debait on what they thought were the real couple. It was all interesting, but a page or so later the debait stooped and he had a conclusion. It would seem that the majority of posters agreed that Aerith and Cloud made a great couple and would have been together if Aerith was still alive. Thats fine.
But it still goes on, people voicing there opinions, and again thats fine. But now it’s just getting repeditive. I can’t see this thread foing any futher. What I see happening is one of a couple of things. one it will just die out or two people will just get bored and get off topic cuz there’s nothing else to say.
But it’s just what I think, so it probably won’t get closed but I just can’t see any future for this thread.
Especially, don’t post in a thread saying that you think it should not be posted in any further. T_T
And trust me, if you or others to carry on talking about how it should be closed, it will be closed, but due to your off-topic-ness rather than due to anything else. So do not reply to this post inside the thread.
But the idea of Aeris n Cloud was ok because a boy wants a peaceful girl he can cope wit as said by his mother that is cloud in one of his flash backs
although i do reckon that cloud does like aeris i recon cloud loves tifa n tifa def loves cloud
It is not writen in stone that cloud has to stay with aeris or tifa.
He may well end up with Yuffie (just a suggestion)
Or he may meet someone knew it can happen as he dos not look that bad.
I dont think tifa can fill the void left by aeris.
Aeris is with cloud in more ways than one
but tifa i think is his bff and always will be
there is a way to get cloud on your team and when you first get him he runs off when you follow him he is talking to a flower girl asking her if they have ever met because he thinks its aeris before he leaves the guy the girl is in debt to comes and gives her trouble cloud’s insticts to protect his gf kick in and the battle begins
and what about kingdome hearts he is searching for her in that game too that proves it!
I have to agree with you on that one.
Yeah, that is so true.
Just as long as I continue loving Cloud and Tifa forever, I can accept the facts and evidence about Cloud and Aerith.
I always thought they’d be more like brother and sister if they had more chemistry: both blonde and both cheerful. I prefer Rikku and Gippal togehter ;).
I always thought Aerith belonged with Zack.
They have. That’s why I think Cloud and Tifa are cuter because they’ve been more through together. And that’s also why I like Zack and Aerith.
i agree all the way… took the words outta my mouth…
I agree as well.
They have. That’s why I think Cloud and Tifa are cuter because they’ve been more through together. And that’s also why I like Zack and Aerith.
This has nothing to do with it. All what counts is, how intensive their time was together. And in my opinion Cloud and Aeris time together was a lot shorter, but a way more intensive, than Cloud and Tifas. 😉
Thinking outside the box, Cloud and Tifa times weren’t as rough as Aeris. No, Tifa’s times weren’t as rough as Cloud and Aeris. What Cloud and Aeris went through is a lot harder on them than what Tifa went through. Sure, both Cloud and Tifa had a rough childhood but Tifa still pretty much had a normal life. She may not have the greatest friends in the world (okay, those guys were jerks..) but its still a group for her to interact in. What Cloud and Tifa went through are two differently things. Trying to fit in and getting shunned is like thinking that you’re a failure, which is how Cloud felt. He lost his home, didn’t get into First Class Soldier, his role model went mad and he lost his best friend who protected him. Tifa lost something similar like that too;her home,mom,dad……but she was able to pulled through and move on. Look how productive she is, having a bar and joining Barret’s resistant group. Tifa’s sorta like a people person. If she wasn’t, I don’t think she would be able to do all of that.
Cloud, on the other hand wasn’t able to pulled his life back together, not yet. He lost his home and it was too soon to lose his friend. Basically, what he thought was right went and backstab him. Aeris may be happy and cheerful on the outside but her childhood was a lot rougher than Tifa. Hearing voices must had scared her, of course, for a little girl like that. I don’t think she wanted to be label as weird or crazy for hearing voices and when Tseng came and asked her, she denied it. But then, constantly being hounded by Shinra always put her at constant danger. It wouldn’t matter where she stay for Aeris would know that her life wouldn’t be normal. Aeris also had no friends. Maybe the flowers she took care of were her only friends, to end a loneliness in her heart; talking to those flowers must had made them to keep growing. In the same way, what Cloud and Aeris went through are similar. They both wanted a normal childhood, to fit in, and make friends, but that never happen.
Of all the team members, Cloud and Aeris bear the most burden. Sure, each of the team member had a reason to fight for or why, but what they went through is not as rough as Cloud and Aeris. The weight of the world was upon the two of them. Knowing that you’re the last Cetra must have been rough on Aeris, so many questions, so few answers. Aeris probably didn’t even know that she would died, her last day on that planet, praying for the sake of the world. Her dreams, hopes,her life…everything, was taken away from her and that is the cruelest thing in the world to happen. Tifa and the others are still living, probably grateful for what Aeris did, knowing that they can continue on with their life and honor that memory, but that’s something Aeris won’t have. To continue her life, her future…for she gave it up for the world and her friends, so that they could live.
Cloud on the other hand didn’t get it so easy himself. He had Sephiroth to fight, knowing that its his final battle for the sake of the world or Aeris’s sacrifice would be in vain. That was the biggest burden for him. If Cloud was to asked Tifa or any other to fight Sephi. on their own, they would not last. More exactly, the team crumble to pieces without Cloud to be their voice of reasoning, their guide. The team couldn’t function correctly when they lost Cloud and when he came back, they were quick on their feet to give the ‘Leader’ position back to Cloud. When everyone thought that the final battle was over, it was only Cloud to felt Sephi. presence still and finish it. Tifa and the others didn’t went through a lot like Cloud and Aeris. They didn’t had the weight of the world on them, knowing that it would be only through Cloud and Aeris that the world would be saved.
You can decide which one is official couple cuz they don’t make it
Anyway, What square do is creating a Love EPIC <^ ^>
Sorry, What I want to say is
You CAN’T decide which one is official couple.
**Sorry if my english is very BAD**
there is an official couple, but many people choose other couples just because they like them better together. I have always love the tifaxcloud combination, but thats just plainly because they are my two favorite couples and i feel they would be cute together. Either way Aerith and Cloud are the official couple (its like im repeating myself here!)
And in some points tifa and cloud do have a more instense time together, but Tifa didnt exactly have memories inplanted in here and found out her entire life was a lie. Or had her father murdered, her mother taken to a lab, and had been called a ‘speciman’ the rest of her life.
That is how I see it. I’m not saying that the other rest of the team members didn’t had a rough time too, but when its analyze, Cloud and Aeris really had the weight of the world upon them. That’s really like a big burden to them. What Tifa went through her life wasn’t rough and edgy like Cloud and Aeris.
Tifa did had a rough time during her childhood but she was able to pulled through and became productive. Cloud and Aeris tried to be productive with their life…but seeing how it turn out, its not exactly the best of what they wanted.
If the game had also made Cloud to died, just like Aeris, I don’t think the team would had last. It would crumble and even if they made it to Sephiroth, they wouldn’t exactly win. They would’ve lost or given up. :-\
I think Aeris was just as serious with Cloud as Tifa was. If you go on a date with Aeris then she tells Cloud she wants to meet him not just what he showed outwardly but the Cloud inside his heart.
Hmm..That’s strange. I try and never got anything like that, although it did state something about losing someone dear. Oh well, I’ll have to try it later to see exactly.
Thinking outside the box, Cloud and Tifa times weren’t as rough as Aeris. No, Tifa’s times weren’t as rough as Cloud and Aeris. What Cloud and Aeris went through is a lot harder on them than what Tifa went through. Sure, both Cloud and Tifa had a rough childhood but Tifa still pretty much had a normal life. She may not have the greatest friends in the world (okay, those guys were jerks..) but its still a group for her to interact in. What Cloud and Tifa went through are two differently things. Trying to fit in and getting shunned is like thinking that you’re a failure, which is how Cloud felt. He lost his home, didn’t get into First Class Soldier, his role model went mad and he lost his best friend who protected him. Tifa lost something similar like that too;her home,mom,dad……but she was able to pulled through and move on. Look how productive she is, having a bar and joining Barret’s resistant group. Tifa’s sorta like a people person. If she wasn’t, I don’t think she would be able to do all of that.
Cloud, on the other hand wasn’t able to pulled his life back together, not yet. He lost his home and it was too soon to lose his friend. Basically, what he thought was right went and backstab him. Aeris may be happy and cheerful on the outside but her childhood was a lot rougher than Tifa. Hearing voices must had scared her, of course, for a little girl like that. I don’t think she wanted to be label as weird or crazy for hearing voices and when Tseng came and asked her, she denied it. But then, constantly being hounded by Shinra always put her at constant danger. It wouldn’t matter where she stay for Aeris would know that her life wouldn’t be normal. Aeris also had no friends. Maybe the flowers she took care of were her only friends, to end a loneliness in her heart; talking to those flowers must had made them to keep growing. In the same way, what Cloud and Aeris went through are similar. They both wanted a normal childhood, to fit in, and make friends, but that never happen.
Of all the team members, Cloud and Aeris bear the most burden. Sure, each of the team member had a reason to fight for or why, but what they went through is not as rough as Cloud and Aeris. The weight of the world was upon the two of them. Knowing that you’re the last Cetra must have been rough on Aeris, so many questions, so few answers. Aeris probably didn’t even know that she would died, her last day on that planet, praying for the sake of the world. Her dreams, hopes,her life…everything, was taken away from her and that is the cruelest thing in the world to happen. Tifa and the others are still living, probably grateful for what Aeris did, knowing that they can continue on with their life and honor that memory, but that’s something Aeris won’t have. To continue her life, her future…for she gave it up for the world and her friends, so that they could live.
Cloud on the other hand didn’t get it so easy himself. He had Sephiroth to fight, knowing that its his final battle for the sake of the world or Aeris’s sacrifice would be in vain. That was the biggest burden for him. If Cloud was to asked Tifa or any other to fight Sephi. on their own, they would not last. More exactly, the team crumble to pieces without Cloud to be their voice of reasoning, their guide. The team couldn’t function correctly when they lost Cloud and when he came back, they were quick on their feet to give the ‘Leader’ position back to Cloud. When everyone thought that the final battle was over, it was only Cloud to felt Sephi. presence still and finish it. Tifa and the others didn’t went through a lot like Cloud and Aeris. They didn’t had the weight of the world on them, knowing that it would be only through Cloud and Aeris that the world would be saved.
That’s so beautiful *sniff*
Couldn’t of said it better myself aeriscloud! No matter how much more evidence a pairing has than the other, if your love for a type of pairing is strong enough, always continue to stick with what you love! You can’t pretend not to love a couple because they aren’t the official couple and what not. You could never pretend to not love something you do. It’s also best to point it out positively rather than negatively, because if so otherwise, you’re just harrassing the other person for having a different opinion on something that isn’t real.
That is how I see it. I’m not saying that the other rest of the team members didn’t had a rough time too, but when its analyze, Cloud and Aeris really had the weight of the world upon them. That’s really like a big burden to them. What Tifa went through her life wasn’t rough and edgy like Cloud and Aeris.
Tifa did had a rough time during her childhood but she was able to pulled through and became productive. Cloud and Aeris tried to be productive with their life…but seeing how it turn out, its not exactly the best of what they wanted.
If the game had also made Cloud to died, just like Aeris, I don’t think the team would had last. It would crumble and even if they made it to Sephiroth, they wouldn’t exactly win. They would’ve lost or given up. :-\
You have a good point there! Tifa did have a rough childhood past, but not as rough as Aerith and Cloud. Aerith had to go through the trouble of being chase and was too busy thinking about the Shinra’s intentions, while Tifa, always had the time too think about her so-called friend’s intentions. Tifa was always thinking…always being productive with putting thoughts of what she should do with her life. I remember her quote’s were "I need more time, give me alittle more time", I think pointing out that she was alittle slower learning about what good deed’s to make, but she learned it and that’s good. Well anyway, Tifa used that time putting so much thought, and I agree with you aeriscloud, Cloud and Aerith didn’t have all that time as much as Tifa did, so maybee, they had more of a reason to fight then anyone else, but if you think about it two other characters did too:Tifa and Barret. Maybee those two had the second biggest reasons to fight. Barret and Tifa both fought for there family and friends they lost.
Some people son’t think she is really dead don’t ask me what they think she really is then, and besides you don’t forget a loved one when they die they live on forever in your heart.
Some people call her Aeris some call her Aerith I personally like Aeris better. Some one posted on another thread that squaresoft said not too long ago that it was officially Aerith and that there was a mess up in the translation. It is a matter of opinion now and that is a whole nother subject. 😉
okay first of all, it’s aeris in ff7 but in kingdom hearts it’s aeris. now, to explain a whole long long long long long thing of why i believe aeris should go with cloud..here goes! *takes a big breath*
when cloud first met aeris he bought a flower from her, which of course if he didn’t like aeris, why would he by any sort of flower from someone he hated but of course, you’re gonna say, what does that have to do with them being together, i say it’s a first clue for all those who are clueless out there, and for the intense things, it depends on who you pay attention to a lot in the choices so don’t go saying tifa belongs with cloud in my face, otherwise i’ll get real mad and really get ruthless; you don’t wanna see me like that; anyways, let’s skip to the part she dies, a biiiiig clue is that hmm well let’s see, i wonder why CLOUD was CRYING for aeris; of course you’re gonna go say that doesn’t mean he likes her; WRONG AGAIN, why do you think at the end of the game cloud reaches out to aeris’s hand; no it’s not because the creator felt like putting it there anyways just to make it stupid; so don’t go saying that either or as i sad before i will argue to the death; yes i have done that before with my best friend and it wasn’t pretty.
*breathes and takes another breath*
so, tifa doesn’t belong with cloud YET because cloud is still allowed to love aeris is he not; well don’t say she’s dead so get over it; not true because he still loves her anyways and therefore, that still means he can have a chance of meeting her sometime sin the lifestream or possibly in some prequel or sequel they’re gonna make soon enough to figure out the mystery of aeris’s death; don’t walk up to see and say "she’s dead!" which again i will warn you, i have a temper about people who disrepect my opnions; and again i will become absolutley positively ruthless and to say, it’s still not lil miss nicenicey aeris all the time; back on track; if aeris is dead then how come she can’t be with cloud; they can still love each other but not have a physical relationship it doesn’t mean he goes alllll the way back to tifa and tries to get "love’ because yet again, another wrong theory you people have; so until you guys back up your theory to say "aeris is dead so tifa can go with cloud" now; i will not stand here and keep my mouth shut; okay. so i am a real brat right now and being persistent; big deal i am an aeris fan and not going down with a fight; it doesn’t matter who looks cuter it matters who loves each other so all of those people who are too stuck up to think about it jam it into your head NOW; and no you can’t just say aeris Is dead so it gives a reason for cloud belonging to tifa; wrong yet AGAin because i will state that cloud still loves aeris after her death; why do you think he wanted to kill sephiroth so much more badly; and go back on the game and see who he always says who the gang will revenge and fight for; it is aeris all the way so ha ha ha in your face people who hate aeris and better get off their bums to go say sorry; aeris is a lot more courageous than any other because she was WILLING (even though she didn’t WANT to) to give her life up for every single last one of the people in earth; i don’t think tifa would do that seeing that the fact she’s not such a BEST friend because she informed cloud about his "real" past; now what kind of a best friend never tells you your real past; some friend all right.
ehe, i meant late not ate
OH! now i get it! 😀
yeah i know she meant Aerith somewhere but i wasn’t sure whitch one 😉
ehe, i meant late not ate
Yeah she could have waited for a better time, but wasn’t he out of his mind (well not like he went crazy but wasn’t he in the lifestream) at the time? :-\
Ok, so lets say the love of your life were to die.. would you go ahead and go into another relationship?
Tifa was Cloud’s childhood crush, but as most childhood crushes are.. they are not long lived. Mostly because the child does not understand the feeling or just wants to be accepted by that person in some way. Tifa had her own little clique in Niblehem, and she wanted to go and play with Cloud but her friends wouldnt let her. He wanted to be accepted, so my guess is that he developed this crush so he could at least reach out to Tifa in someway (this would explain to me the water tank business)
Aerith and Clouds relationship seems to be different than Tifa and Cloud. Aerith helped Cloud open up, explore more the world. She and him were more loving towards each other, he was able to confide in her (even if it were not in spoken words) and them two had a larger struggle against the world than anyone else in the party. I guess this common struggle, lonliness, and wanting to be accepted kept them together.
Also, as aeriscloud said before, Tifa was much stronger, she was able to get out of everything and work, and become more people friendly. she was what some would consider ‘more normal’ than Aerith or Cloud. Aerith had to deal with hearing voices and being the last Ancient, and Cloud having implanted memories and mako energy.
thats my reason now for the official couple being Aerith and Cloud.
But if you enjoy the TifaxCloud combo as I do, you can still like them. No one stops you.
~solaris
If it were easy they wouldn’t call it a crush.
Tifa was Cloud’s childhood crush, but as most childhood crushes are.. they are not long lived. Mostly because the child does not understand the feeling or just wants to be accepted by that person in some way. Tifa had her own little clique in Niblehem, and she wanted to go and play with Cloud but her friends wouldnt let her. He wanted to be accepted, so my guess is that he developed this crush so he could at least reach out to Tifa in someway (this would explain to me the water tank business)
Aerith and Clouds relationship seems to be different than Tifa and Cloud. Aerith helped Cloud open up, explore more the world. She and him were more loving towards each other, he was able to confide in her (even if it were not in spoken words) and them two had a larger struggle against the world than anyone else in the party. I guess this common struggle, lonliness, and wanting to be accepted kept them together.
Also, as aeriscloud said before, Tifa was much stronger, she was able to get out of everything and work, and become more people friendly. she was what some would consider ‘more normal’ than Aerith or Cloud. Aerith had to deal with hearing voices and being the last Ancient, and Cloud having implanted memories and mako energy.
thats my reason now for the official couple being Aerith and Cloud.
But if you enjoy the TifaxCloud combo as I do, you can still like them. No one stops you.
~solaris
Ahem..this is my side of the story now..
How many times have you heard, "Aerith is DEAD!!!!" from people who argue against Cloud’s love for Aerith? Why does it matter if she’s dead? Why do these people think that Cloud loving Aerith means that she has to be revived? That isn’t the idea at all…
No, Cloud’s not a necrophiliac who wants a relationship with Aerith’s dead body, either. The idea of Cloud loving Aerith isn’t about them having a relationship in the physical world. It’s about Cloud remembering his love for Aerith in his heart.
We don’t *know* how Cloud and Aerith can be together again, or even *if* they will ever be together again. That’s the whole tragedy of their love, as well as the beauty of it. Cloud vowed to meet Aerith in the Promised Land at the end of FFVII. It may be a vow to do the impossible, yet Cloud wants to try because he loves her. Cloud dreams of meeting Aerith against all odds, because that’s where his heart is.
Cloud and Aerith have been separated by fate and by death, yet even death is powerless in the face of Cloud and Aerith???s desire to be together again, even if it’s impossible… and Cloud still dreams of trying.
isn’t that cuuute?
How many times have you heard, "Aerith is DEAD!!!!" from people who argue against Cloud’s love for Aerith? Why does it matter if she’s dead? Why do these people think that Cloud loving Aerith means that she has to be revived? That isn’t the idea at all…
No, Cloud’s not a necrophiliac who wants a relationship with Aerith’s dead body, either. The idea of Cloud loving Aerith isn’t about them having a relationship in the physical world. It’s about Cloud remembering his love for Aerith in his heart.
We don’t *know* how Cloud and Aerith can be together again, or even *if* they will ever be together again. That’s the whole tragedy of their love, as well as the beauty of it. Cloud vowed to meet Aerith in the Promised Land at the end of FFVII. It may be a vow to do the impossible, yet Cloud wants to try because he loves her. Cloud dreams of meeting Aerith against all odds, because that’s where his heart is.
Cloud and Aerith have been separated by fate and by death, yet even death is powerless in the face of Cloud and Aerith???s desire to be together again, even if it’s impossible… and Cloud still dreams of trying.
isn’t that cuuute?
you said it sistah!
and yes, the ultimate beauty i find, is striving to be with your love, even after their death.
and yes, the ultimate beauty i find, is striving to be with your love, even after their death.
You said the gist of what I was going to say so I’ll quote you, because that is so true. All these people that say Tifa should be with Cloud because Aeris is dead is like telling your fience that you are going to burn their pictures when they die because you don’t love them anymore. (I’m not saying Cloud and Aeris were engaged that is just a good example) No you keep loving them even arter they are dead. Cloud getting together with Tifa after Aeris died would be like stabbing her in the first place. He didn’t strike her before Sephiroth, yes because Tifa yelled at him, but also because he loved her. He never wanted her dead in the first place.
Cloud’s quest to find the Promise Land and meet Aeris is the impossible but its that impossible that keeps Cloud on moving to find it.
Guess I like both Aeris and Tifa the same.
aeriscloud always knows how to put words correctly =) lol. she convinced me right away when she explained why Aerith and Cloud should be together 😛
way to go in convincing people im behind you one hundred and 10 percent
and yes, the ultimate beauty i find, is striving to be with your love, even after their death.
*bows* yes thanks. it took me a lil while to come up with something that will make aeris haters shuut up already and nice avy.
Solaris,
That’s really your point of view of how you view Aeris. I’ll just say, Aeris was more than that because the "Friendship" bond thing doesn’t go deep anymore with Tifa when Cloud gains new friends, like Aeris, Vincent, etc. Tifa is of the past and as you grow up, those memories do stay along with the prior and future memories you gain along life. Oh I’m trying to say is, Aeris was important to Cloud just as the memories Cloud gain with her. He’s not heartless to tossed away the memories he gained of Aeris away but he also thought of her as someone precious to him. There’s no denying that Aeris wasn’t precious to Cloud, when she was.
go Yuffie!
She could probibly convince lots of people on lots of things if she put her mind to it. I bet she loves Aeris and Cloud with a passion. =)
You’re probably not too far from the truth. I would say aeriscloud do love them with the deepest passion as her favorite couple. O:]
aeriscloud,
that was some good analyzing. I never thought of it that way. But you are right, Cloud’s situation is very similar but I would take the latter of Cloud dying and being with Aeris. =)
Like you said, he’s doing the impossible to reach her and that impossible will keep him moving on. O:]
IT’S CALLED LISTENING TO MY STORY OF IT AND THE WAY I SEE IT NOW READ IT BEFORE I REALLY OUGHTA PUNCH YOU FOR INSULTING MY FAVORITE CHARACTER! >:O
How many times have you heard, "Aerith is DEAD!!!!" from people who argue against Cloud’s love for Aerith? Why does it matter if she’s dead? Why do these people think that Cloud loving Aerith means that she has to be revived? That isn’t the idea at all…
No, Cloud’s not a necrophiliac who wants a relationship with Aerith’s dead body, either. The idea of Cloud loving Aerith isn’t about them having a relationship in the physical world. It’s about Cloud remembering his love for Aerith in his heart.
We don’t *know* how Cloud and Aerith can be together again, or even *if* they will ever be together again. That’s the whole tragedy of their love, as well as the beauty of it. Cloud vowed to meet Aerith in the Promised Land at the end of FFVII. It may be a vow to do the impossible, yet Cloud wants to try because he loves her. Cloud dreams of meeting Aerith against all odds, because that’s where his heart is.
Cloud and Aerith have been separated by fate and by death, yet even death is powerless in the face of Cloud and Aerith???s desire to be together again, even if it’s impossible… and Cloud still dreams of trying.
BETTER THAN WHAT YOUR EXPLANATION WAS.
trust me, just ignore her. shes already gotten to the better of us, but we have a stronger statement against her. really dont pay any mind, because it will just make a good day turn bad.
and btw, it was a good point you made.
and btw, it was a good point you made.
thanks but you really can’t blame me..it just irritates me when people say that. >:O
But like Solaris says, just ignore her.
She doesn’t have any strong points to support her, so instead flames and call people names. That’s call frustration.
Blue Yuna,
That’s really good points you made. Same thing with you too, Solaris. O:]
Adding to that, I believe it takes time for a person to heal their wounds. But I also believe if that person’s love is strong, beyond anything else, than they will stay with that until they depart. What I find is that Cloud is not really understood. The pain of those memories that he had last time with Aeris is a lot to bear. It takes two people to understand each other as a whole and that’s what I saw for Cloud and Aeris. O:]
Like sister like brother. 😉
Tifa joined the group that made fun of Cloud in the beginning, you’re right. But, I don’t recall ever seeing Tifa tease him during the game, do you? :confused:
Aeris, though, you’re right, was always affectionate to Cloud. She was nothing but nice to him. That’s why they are so good together. They each have what the other needs. Aeris needs someone that will always be by her side, and always be there for her to love. Cloud needs someone supportive and outgoing. Cloud+Aeris=Perfect Match
Yeah, definitely, Cloud+Aeris=true love and may it live forever!
::STAB::
"Oh, my aching heart! Now Aeris and I can be forever, for all eternity! Uh huh. Good bye, cruel world..Sadly, I never even left a will. Oops! But Tifa is pregnant with my babies. Twins! But now I realize that killing mysefl was no fun, because it’s so boring in the lifestream. All the voices in my head and whatnot. OMG OMG look pink!" ::chases the pink thing::
Have you gotten a word of what I said before?! Tifa Martial Artist says "No I was blinded by my own stupidity and 2 year old ideas."
::STAB::
"Oh, my aching heart! Now Aeris and I can be forever, for all eternity! Uh huh. Good bye, cruel world..Sadly, I never even left a will. Oops! But Tifa is pregnant with my babies. Twins! But now I realize that killing mysefl was no fun, because it’s so boring in the lifestream. All the voices in my head and whatnot. OMG OMG look pink!" ::chases the pink thing::
You’re being a real jerk right now. You can say whatever you want, but don’t do it like this. There is a nicer way to say things. Do you know that you are insulting some people here?
LOL funny rant. But hey, it’s true. I don’t like the idea of them because there is little evidence to support any of that. Plus Aeris is dead. Do I need to make it any more clearer? She’s with Zack in the lifestream, cheating on Cloud.
However, you’re right on this one. Aeris is dead. Unfortunately…
Hmmm. Tell me TMA, how is Aeris cheating on anyone? Give the proof that she actually did cheat instead of posting a lot of bs.
how do u explain the date and the time cloud was snooping around and stole tifa’s panty and such..
Im so confuse??????????????
nope just play it you’ll see and tifa just giggles..
So what?
As far as putting a title to "The Final Fantasy VII Couple" I would guess that it’s Tifa and Cloud. Throuought the game, It’d would be safe to say that Cloud and Tifa were together more. In the game, Aeris’ role was more "sacrifice to save the planet" rather than be Cloud’s girlfriend. That right there hints that Squaresoft probably put more focus, in the romance aspect, on Tifa and Cloud.
But then again, why would they have that bizarre love triangle between Aeris, Cloud and Tifa? Well, considering the fact that Cloud took on Zack’s look and persona, Aeris probably fell for him. But Aeris never even got to know the real Cloud. What she knew was a badass/hottie that saved her life and swept off her feet and out of the slums. AND how convenient to have Cloud resemble Zack; Aeris FORMER love intrest. WHO DIED.
Everyone says that Aeris knew she was going to die. Even the game says that when you find out about the Holy summon. Well, if Aeris loved Cloud so much, why didn’t she say something to him before she offed herself? Not even an "I’ll be waiting for you," or anything like that. No note or anything. Honestly, where is the love? Well, this is just my assumption but, Aeris probably was looking forward to finding Zack in the promised land.
Now, with Tifa and Cloud: Hmm, I remember, just before the big showdown with ol’ Sephy, Tifa and Cloud had some alone time where they talked about and showed their affection towards each other because they didn’t know if is was the end or not.
Thus, no. I don’t think Aeris and Cloud are the labelled "Final Fantasy VII Couple."
And when the hell did any of these mother fuckers screw? What the hell kinda lovin’ is that!? What a bunch of pansies… I know Tifa’s a ho. She has to be! Look at that outfit! She has got to know something about gettin’ yer groove on. Sheesh…
cloud did love aerisThat’s kind of true. I don’t even consider them as real childhood friends, because when they were kids, she never noticed Cloud. He was there, but that’s it. And he knew. That’s the reason why he told her about soldier and stuff. He said all that so she’ll finally notice him.
When they met each other again, Cloud was grown up then, of course, why shouldn’t Tifa fall for him now. That was the time she really started talking to him. She didn’t really care about him before, did she?
Well, if Aeris loved Cloud so much, why didn’t she say something to him before she offed herself? Not even an "I’ll be waiting for you," or anything like that. No note or anything. Honestly, where is the love? Well, this is just my assumption but, Aeris probably was looking forward to finding Zack in the promised land.
Aeris did mention something. She was always talking about the next time. She told Cloud she wants to "meet" him. There is love, but she’s a little shy, she won’t use the direct words on him. On the other side, she knew Clouds mind was messed up. She knew he’s to find a way to himself at first, she didn’t want to bother him with "her" problems. She did not run away or a lie, she just showed strenght.
And she was definitely not looking forward to find Zack again. That’s a crazy idea. Why should she try to find her ex-boyfriend again? She has a new, a real love now.
::cough::lols::cough:: I’m not so sure Tifa had offered herself, but I know Aeris sure did. "I want to meet you"supposedly means I want to have a sexual relashionship with you. How can Aeris not be labled dirty or slutty? What’s that? She never even knew Cloud. She just wanted another look-alike Zack after he died. I beleive that if Zack had not gone to Nibelheim, that they would still be together. Aeris and Cloud never had a deep spiritual connection to begin with.
sorry dont understand the logic behind that please explain
cloud did love aeris
If I could have been there, I would give Cloud a pat on the shoulder and be sure to help him avenge her.
ok, if you consider ‘i want to meet you’ a sexual implimation then you are the one implying that and not Aerith herself. Her meaning was behind that after she died (because i believe she knew that was her fate) she would meet cloud in the lifestream after his eventual death. No Spiritual connection? what about in the end, after he defeats sephiroth finally, you see a hand reach out of the lifestream, that was Aerith’s hand, reaching out to bring him back. Not tifa’s, aeriths. Her relationship with cloud was not a spoken one, more like, an innocent romance.
First, how is it dirty/slutty to tell someone you want to have a relationship with them? Second, prove it. What proof do you have that Aeris just wants Cloud because he looks like Zack? And how do you know they never had a deep spiritual connection?
Besides, Aeris, saying she wanted to "meet" him, might have even been talking about wanting to meet the real him, like Aerith Gainsborough said, because she knew he had to find himself. Even if she was talking about having a sexual relationship with him, whats the big deal? Tifa wouldn’t have done it. She had to let Cloud know her feelings, otherwise, what could anyone accomplish? We all know Cloud wouldn’t be the one to ask anyone out, so why is it so bad that Aeris does? Maybe, if Aeris didn’t lose Zack, she’d still be with him.Just because Cloud wouldn’t have Aeris, doesn’t mean he’d be with Tifa. They weren’t even close. The fact is, Aeris didn’t end up with Zack, so there’s no point in bringing that point up. No one knows what would have happened, so it doesn’t matter. The point is, that Cloud was only Cloud, after he met Aeris. Before that, he didn’t care about anyone or anything. They did have a spiritual connection. Aeris did give Cloud a heads up about going off on her own. Remember when he has a vision/dream about her int he sleeping forest? She keeps saying not to worry about her, and that she’ll come back when it’s all over. Cloud tries to run after her, but he’s in slow motion, and unable to stop her.
And after reading Solaris’s post, I have to agree with her. No spiritual connection? What do YOU think spiritual connection is? Cloud and Aeris definitely had one… but I think the reason you can’t see it is because you’re too rapped up with Tifa/Cloud as the couple. That’s fine, but prove your points, instead of just listing "I believe." Then maybe, I’ll see Cloud/Tifa as a couple.
Also, what didn’t make sense?
And, just like everyone says, Aeris knew her fate. Why would she, if she even did have a thing for Cloud, try to pursue it? She knew she was going to die. What’s the point in falling in love when you know you’re going to die?
And, just like everyone says, Aeris knew her fate. Why would she, if she even did have a thing for Cloud, try to pursue it? She knew she was going to die. What’s the point in falling in love when you know you’re going to die?
Well, Dru, maybe she wanted to enjoy her last moments.
1. Zack and Aeris/Aerith were dataing and as previously mentioned when you reach Zacks house Aeris does react strongly indicating feelings for Zack
2. after the Lifestream incident, we find out that Cloud had based most of his life on Zack, possibly to the point of becoming zack
3. Because Cloud appears ( apart form Hair style and colour) and possibly acts like zack ( same manerisms and all) its possible that Aeris fell for the Zack in Cloud
4. Dont forget that during his Childhood, Cloud would ‘Get into a fight at the drop of a hat’ to prove how strong he was and to win Tifas affection. this is also one of the reasons loud signs up for SOLDIER, so he can become strong Like Sephiroth and prove himself again to Tifa
However it should be noted right at the end of the game Cloud rescues Tifa but says "I think I can meet her there" I doubt Cloud would refer to Tifa or Yuffie as ‘Her’
another point for the Cloti fans is the moment the two share before the final battle, when Cloud tells the team to find their reason for fighting and He and Tifa ‘sleep’ ( not sexually, although Tifa is embarresed when she gets back on Highwind, so perhaps something happened?) together.
I dunno in the end though I Suppose it really comes down to which pairing you prefer. Cloud/Tifa, Cloud/Aeris or even Cloud/Yuffie ( believe it or not their is a ClouYuf fanfic) ya never know Aeris and tifa may have been Lessies, Or Cloud might have been Gay ( you never know exactly what happens to Cloud while he’s in the tank)
1. Zack and Aeris/Aerith were dataing and as previously mentioned when you reach Zacks house Aeris does react strongly indicating feelings for Zack
2. after the Lifestream incident, we find out that Cloud had based most of his life on Zack, possibly to the point of becoming zack
3. Because Cloud appears ( apart form Hair style and colour) and possibly acts like zack ( same manerisms and all) its possible that Aeris fell for the Zack in Cloud
4. Dont forget that during his Childhood, Cloud would ‘Get into a fight at the drop of a hat’ to prove how strong he was and to win Tifas affection. this is also one of the reasons loud signs up for SOLDIER, so he can become strong Like Sephiroth and prove himself again to Tifa
However it should be noted right at the end of the game Cloud rescues Tifa but says "I think I can meet her there" I doubt Cloud would refer to Tifa or Yuffie as ‘Her’
another point for the Cloti fans is the moment the two share before the final battle, when Cloud tells the team to find their reason for fighting and He and Tifa ‘sleep’ ( not sexually, although Tifa is embarresed when she gets back on Highwind, so perhaps something happened?) together.
I dunno in the end though I Suppose it really comes down to which pairing you prefer. Cloud/Tifa, Cloud/Aeris or even Cloud/Yuffie ( believe it or not their is a ClouYuf fanfic) ya never know Aeris and tifa may have been Lessies, Or Cloud might have been Gay ( you never know exactly what happens to Cloud while he’s in the tank)
You’re quite right about these things. But I don’t think that Cloud is gay, no matter what happened in the tank. And about the night before the final battle, I think something DID happen. But I’m not sure.
Yes, "I want to meet you" means "I want to start a relationship with you". I thought, it was very cute. She didn’t say it in direct words, because she is not a slut. She’s shy in this point. But why shouldn’t she mention it? She wants to be with him, and it is her right to ask him. 😉
I don’t see any romance at all between Aeris and Cloud. All this proof you guys are providing doesn’t mean anything. Aeris cared about Cloud, but that was most likely because her sacrificing herself would mean nothing if Cloud and Co. didn’t follow through. She needed their help to stop Sephiroth and Meteor. There’s no love shit between Aeris and Cloud in the game. Perhaps some attraction here and there but I don’t see any profound soul mate evidence.
And, just like everyone says, Aeris knew her fate. Why would she, if she even did have a thing for Cloud, try to pursue it? She knew she was going to die. What’s the point in falling in love when you know you’re going to die?
You didn’t see any romance in the game? Ok, first of all, the situations were not the best. I mean, they were worried about the planet and everything. In situations like this, full romance must wait. Second, this game is not a hentai game. What do you expect? :eye:
And beside that, I don’t think, she knew about her death. But that’s a different story…. 🙁
Also, what didn’t make sense?
Ooops I’m sorry! That wasn’t directed at you..It was directed at Solaris.
Now that I’m too lazy to type, I’ll just post one of my TifaxCloud rants.
Why is she so compatible with Cloud? A good question! They had known eachother since childhood, and Cloud had a crush on her since he was a teen! Not to mention that he promised to be her hero! And no, she didn’t "force" him to keep it. If so, then why are the stars forever sealing their promise?When she got stabbed, he was really mad! (so sad) So in his rage, along with the murder of his best friend and hometown, killed Seph! Then 7 years later…Tifa finds him at the train station…And she’s like, "Wtf?" But he knows her…Because he remembered her first! Not to mention that in his really confused state, it would be hard. You can choose to give her a flower and say, "Next to you, who wouldn’t?" After she asks you if you slept well. He stays in Avalance for her…Then you can choose to say, "Take care of Tifa for me" right before he is supposedly falling to his death. Then he meets Aerith..She begs to come with him, but still, all Cloud cares about is rescuing Tifa! There is also a choice to say that she is your girlfriend, which I found so appealing. He even dresses up as a girl to save her! Imagine how much pride had to be taken away from his ego for that litte stunt…
I love the lifestream scene! It’s so..romantic. Cloud says "A secret wish..tender memories…No one could ever know" If that isn’t love then I don’t know what is. And even if there are optional affection versions of the highwind scene, if you are your nicest to Tifa, it will turn very intimate. So why did the creators put that in there? Hmm?!?! If you get that scene, then it’s like, "You SAW us?" Hehe. Did I interpret that right? That’s how I did, but I find no reasen to interpret it any other way…But no, they didn’t have sex, silly! At least I dun think so…
Also, I’ve noticed an interesting fact…If you search about Zodiac signs, and how compatible you are, you’ll see that two Tarus’s (Cloud and Tifa) would have a more deep, long lasting relashionship than if a Taurus and an Aquarius were to have one. So boooyah!
That’s a kinda lame, actually. Cloud would do that for everybody who is his friend. He’d also do that for Aeris, if he had to rescue her. I’m sure, he’s also do it for Yuffie or who ever. ;(
That’s true he would…
I don’t think he would. 🙂
Do you want to tell me that Cloud is a cold and selfish? 🙁
*Blushing* thanks i’ve never been called funny ( even kinda funny) before…
A Tifa/Yuffie, interesting idea……
He’s cooler that way, yeah. O:]
So, using Cloud to merely "Enjoy her last moments" is pure untainted love?
You didn’t see any romance in the game?
I didn’t say that, exactly. I saw romance between other people, rather than Aeris and Cloud. All I saw from those two was a team attachment to save the planet. Can you not agree?
Ok, first of all, the situations were not the best. I mean, they were worried about the planet and everything. In situations like this, full romance must wait.
Bullshit. If Square wanted Aeris and Cloud to fall in love, then they would have.
Second, this game is not a hentai game. What do you expect? :eye:
Well, I didn’t really expect anything from the game. I just played it. That doesn’t change the fact that I don’t see Aeris and Cloud being a couple, rather than a friendship.
And beside that, I don’t think, she knew about her death. But that’s a different story…. 🙁
No, it’s not a different story, it’s the same one. She did know about her death.
In my opinion, Aeris only died in a physical sense when Sephiroth stabbed her.
She was an Ancient and possessed tremendous powers. It is arguable that she actually wanted to die physically so her spiritual self could merge with the lifestream and heal the planet. In fact, Bugenhagen pretty much says this himself when they take him to the Shrine where she was killed.
Bugenhagen:
"Holy… the ultimate White Magic.
Magic that might stand against Meteor.
Perhaps our last hope to save the planet from Meteor.
If a soul seeking Holy reaches the planet, it will appear."
Aeris:"I’m in search of the promised land and I’m a Cetra, do you mind helping me kill a madman named Sephiroth by the way and saving the planet? just asking."
Cloud’s reaction to Aeris was kinda awkward and nervous. This is where all of you people who think that Aeris and Cloud are the true couple, think you see true love, but it’s not-it’s all a delusion. At this point in the game, you’re not supposed to assume that Cloud has taken on someone else’s memories, but he has. Take a look at Cloud in the beginning of the game: He has a badass, "kill ’em all, and fuck the world" attitude, just like how an exSOLDIER should act, or so he thought. But then, along comes Aeris. Where’s his composure now? Like I said before, you’re not supposed to know yet, but Cloud isn’t himself. That’s why he’s all nervous when he meets this girl who is giving him all kinds of crazy vibes due to his ‘aquired’ memories.
During the time Cloud and Aeris are together, he is still partially living with Zack’s memories subconsciously inside him (the stories Zack told him about his life/career/relationship with Aeris, most likely, when they were on the run together from ShinRa). So, the part of him that was Zack drew him to Aeris,
and probably drew Aeris to him in some way.
Remember when they go to the Gold Saucer on the date, she makes some cryptic references to "meeting the real Cloud"? Yeah, well after she goes off and dies, Cloud rediscovers his true self. He remains fond of Aeris, but he also rediscovers his true, long time love of Tifa, now that he is able to have his OWN memories, not Zack’s, who loved Aeris, not Cloud.
There’s your proof. And it’s all straigt from the storyline.
The Zack part did happen, but when she saw Cloud, she thought he was Zack, but after a while, she knew the Cloud was in him. She loved him mre than she would ever love Zack.
Tifa and Cloud sit on the edge of the crater and reflect that they both have nothing except each other now. They speak of how in the darkest moments they heard each other’s voices. Cloud mumbles that he always had so much he wanted to say to her, but now that they are alone, he can’t think of anything. Tifa says gently to him: "Cloud… Words aren’t the only thing that tell people what you’re thinking…" Night falls.
Aeris’ actually expressed it. Even though she thinks he’s Zack, after a while she notices that he is the one who was going to kill Sephiroth, and, with love, sacrificed herself for them and the world.
No, not really. Aeris ACTUALLY said that she wanted to find more out about her people. That was probably more motivation for her to travel to the promised land than loving Cloud… ‘Cause that just doesn’t make any sense.
Even when she’s dead, Tifa STILL doesn’t say what she thinks about him because she knew that Cloud loved Aeris and Aeris loved him, and she accepted that.
She accepted that Aeris, who is dead, is Cloud’s only love and therefore chooses to not be with him? Hmm… Read this quote over again:
Tifa and Cloud sit on the edge of the crater and reflect that they both have nothing except each other now. They speak of how in the darkest moments they heard each other’s voices. Cloud mumbles that he always had so much he wanted to say to her, but now that they are alone, he can’t think of anything. Tifa says gently to him: "Cloud… Words aren’t the only thing that tell people what you’re thinking…" Night falls.
Tifa did, in fact, express her feelings. And so did Cloud. I don’t get how it’s so hard to see.
Just because of Aeris’ thoughts for Zack she was driven to love a new man she knew was better, and besides, Zack is dead, and Cloud is her comfort. Tifa is a good friend, but Aeris was their light, Aeris was Cloud’s true love
Wait, what? Aeris has no comfort. She took on her daunting task alone.
The Zack part did happen, but when she saw Cloud, she thought he was Zack, but after a while, she knew the Cloud was in him. She loved him mre than she would ever love Zack.
Who said?
Then there is the fact to which many Cloriths believe that the American version of ff7 was mistranslated. A BUNCH. So if it was indeed, mistranslated, why did they go ahead with it? Why did they approve it? A mesmerizing question…They say that the instruction booklet in FF7 was also mistranslated, saying that there was a love triangle but there was no love triangle in the Japanese version..or so they say. I don’t believe that, because other supposed "mistranslated" things were true. Like Cloud being an X-SOLDIER, which he isn’t. HELLO people? It is supposed to make you think that he is, but then there is a major point in the game where you discover he isn’t. What’s up with this? Well, we all thought that he was until we discovered the truth. As it was intended to be. Some say that Tifa’s description of being an optimistic girl was wrong, that Aeris fit that title more. That’s foolish. So are we saying that Tifa was a depressed, cold-hearted person like Cloud for the whole game? Quite the opposite. SHE was the one that kept him strong, not Aeris. Aeris just had an innocent nature, but necessarily doesn’t mean she is optimistic. Ugh. 🙁
Jesus tapdancing Christ! >= )
That’s the only proof you have of Cloud having feelings for Tifa, so you shouldn’t bash cloriths. Sure, that part of the game means something, it means Cloud getting himself back, and knowing who he his. Aeris isn’t in it, because Aeris wasn’t a part of his life when Cloud was that age. She wasn’t a clue to who he was, and that’s why she wasn’t in the flashback.
soso
Right. You are exactly right. That’s how the story plays out. After Aeris is out of the picture, so to speak (i’m not trying to sound like a dickhole, although I probably am. Oh well.), Cloud gains his memories, which include his infactuation with Tifa, (and there’s nothing wrong with it so those of you who can’t accept it, stop denying it), and they both begin to pursue something! Yay! -_-
Yeah….And when soon find out in Cloud’s flashback that he’s always had a crush on Tifa…That’s meaningless…Uh-huh.
Holy would destroy Tifa; instantly.
I didn’t say that was meaningless, wow, Cloud had a crush on Tifa when he was little. I know that. More of that was wanting acceptence into the group, because he was always weak and left out. No one gave him that, so Cloud wanted to join soldier for attention, because of the lack of friends he had. How old was Cloud, I forget? Anways, it was a long time ago. Tifa really started to like him when he was gone, she kept wondering how he was doing, but Cloud didn’t think about Tifa as much. They drifted apart. It was a childhood crush, him wanting friends, and wanting to be accepted.
Listen, I’ll tell you one thing. I’m a BIG Aeris fan, but I’m not that blind as not to se that Aeris’ death was neccessary to save the world, and thus, there was no future for Cloud and Aeris after her death. And Tifa helped Cloud find himslef. Tifa truly loves Cloud, and I think that she’s the girl for him.
And I’ve got one more thing to say. I think that Aeris’ powers would distance her from Cloud as time would pass, and I think that Aeris could not open herself to Cloud completely.
Then there is the fact to which many Cloriths believe that the American version of ff7 was mistranslated. A BUNCH. So if it was indeed, mistranslated, why did they go ahead with it? Why did they approve it? A mesmerizing question…QUOTE]
I can’t say this with 100% certainty but i heard somewhere theat Squaresoft had run out of time with the USA/EU release of FF7 and thats why so much was mis-translated.
i’ll admit that this doesn’t explain how the coders had time to include the American Weapons ( Ruby and Emerald) which i believe do not appear in the Japanese version ( can anyone confirm ) but it explains why one of Barrets first statements is all screwy ( the one where he explains how to run)
when did this all have to be a romanciful damn story?
as far as i’m concerned, cloud (no offense to any of the fans) seems to be a little slow to catch on to any of the flirtations and sweet nothings as is.
yes, yes, i know. tifa oh so loves him and so what if aeris did. i think cloud is to fucked up in the brain to have comfort. he wouldn’t want it and doesn’t feel he deserves it so all of you deal with it.
what i’m trying to say is, cloud falls in love, what is the point of final fantasy VII? a cold heartless mercenary falling in love…yeah right.
think about this.
He cares because he’s a good friend. Also, he had to keep remembering that scene, because that was one of the keys to the plot. It proved that Cloud was Cloud, and not someone created. They were MEMORIES. He was a child. I see your point, but I still don’t agree with you.
I mean… Jesus tapdancing Christ! -_-
"Oh, there’s no hints to Cloud and Aeris.." blah blah blah. Clearly, you’re so stuck up that you ignore all the rest and only find points to support what you wanna say. How ignorant to uphold such pride.
Lifestream event proves that Cloud was Cloud in Nielbihelm. Those are past memories, recollections to set his life straight as Cloud was living a lie. It also proved that he used to have a crush on Tifa and was brought out upon Tifa. But on another basis, that’s a crush that is short live. Anyone can outgrow a crush and like someone new. No one is going to wait, what, 5 years later to see if that person will still like you or feel the same way as you. Why don’t you put two and two together.
Cloud’s life is mess up;Tifa knows Truth. Tifa tells lies and keep truth;Cloud fall to his doom. Cloud is mess up, again; Tifa is forced to reconcile the truth with Cloud.
Lunatic HighVII,
You are right. Plus, Cloud already kept his promise, what, saving Tifa, how many times? Yeah, real independant of her. As in the beginning, Cloud didn’t gave a damn about anyone else, just his job as being a mercernary. What, how many times did he try to leave? 3 times until Tifa brought up the ‘promise’ thing to tied him down to her. Yeah, really nice friend when you done your deed already. I may be a Cloris fan, but I’m not gonna denied that Cloud doesn’t care about her. Tifa’s his only "so-called" friend left and the only one that made Cloud felt not like a loser when she say she was his friend. But of course, Cloud still feel like a loser, that’s why he join Soldier, to prove to himself and Tifa&friends that he is strong and will fit in with them.
Heh, and there’s really nothing romantic about that Night under the highwind scene. As it was an open opportunity for Cloud to pour his heart out to Tifa, he never did. He just. "….." and said I heard your voice and Tifa cried and he’s still like, what, a feet or two away from her. That was really an open opportunity for Cloud and he didn’t even grasp for it because, he’s over that childish crush. He outgrew it. And then, Tifa was all so embarressed in the morning and saying that the highwind is quiet and would be lonely to cover the fact that she got rejected as Cloud no longer feel the same way anymore. And please, there’s like, what, 2 or 3 versions to it but the default one is always the correct one as it was with the dating sequence.
TMA,
You ask if FF7 is mistranslated. What do you think? Of course, its mistranslated in so many ways with indirect translations. You think that something that comes from another country, like Japan, will stay with its original language. Unless you can read it or have a system that can played it, every media that comes to another country are always translated and many times its not even the original meanings of what was said or an indirect translations or even added sentences in.
But I doubt you can even read Japanese, that’s why you bring up BS. Is that your only defense now, bringing up BS, because you’re doubting yourself? Heh. I would called that doubting, to see that everyone else brought out good points, supporting points/agruments for Cloud and Aeris as the couple while you just bring BS because you can’t bring up a good enough point/agrument of why Cloti is the couple since every point/agrument you brought up has been BS and counter out. Oh, then, what ya gonna do? Frustrated and a brain as small as a peanut, you flame and called people names, when up straight, it exactly describe you.
About being mistranslated, of course the game has a few mistranslations and glitches, but they can’t mistranslate the whole game. So what are you getting at, TMA? What do mistranslations have to do with Tifa+Cloud being together? The scene under the highwind, NO ONE KNOWS WHAT HAPPENS, so assumtions don’t work. Who knows what Tifa was embarassed about? No one. Same with Aeris and Zach. "If Zack came back, him and Aeris would have been together…" Well I’ve got some news for you… Zack DIDN’T come back, and you have no idea what would have happened if he did. Maybe he would have killed Cloud, or eaten Tifa. The point is, you don’t know.
After her death, what keeps the party going is their willingness to avenge Aeris, and in Cloud’s case, get revenge for HIMSELF. He really cared about Aeris. I’m not saying he didn’t care about Tifa, because he did, but Aeris in a different way. Tifa, he thought, was his childhood friend, (proven wrong in the lifestream), but he forgave her, took the blame as his own. On the highwind, after he finds himself, he APOLOGIZES for Tifa’s lies, because he’s still unaware of the serious pain afflicted apon him.
As S. Yuffie said, crushes are easy to get over, especially for his age. What caused his crush was her looks, and his longing to be accepted into the group. Why would you keep loving someone who made fun of you? Sure, Tifa was going through a lot at the time, but so was Cloud. He had to accept the fact that no one liked him, and no one would if he didn’t join soldier. (which he led himself to believe) That night at the well, Tifa and Cloud weren’t even friends. He just wanted her to notice him, and called her over to the well, to inform her of his departure. It wasn’t until then, that Tifa started thinkinf, "Hmm, I miss Cloud, how’s cloud doing?" By then, she was sorry, but she left a scar on Cloud. One that couldn’t be healed. Lack of self confidence.
That’s why Cloud was messed up. If he hadn’t gotten rejected by Tifa’s friends, he wouodn’t have attempted joining soldier, and wouldn’t have gotten jenova cells injected in him, and wouldn’t have had his downful. Chain reaction. One thing led to another. Afterward, Tifa acted as a friend for the rest of the game, but Aeris was more than a friend. She saw soemthing in Cloud, that Tifa couldn’t see, especially with her clique. When Aeris showed her interest in Cloud, that’s when Tifa did, too.
Aeris and Cloud were the official couple, no doubt.
Tifa Martial Artist: why are u always assuming that Tifa hates Aeris? they’re good friends, cmon. and by saying that, ur making Tifa a bad person imo.
"Oh, there’s no hints to Cloud and Aeris.." blah blah blah. Clearly, you’re so stuck up that you ignore all the rest and only find points to support what you wanna say. How ignorant to uphold such pride.
Lifestream event proves that Cloud was Cloud in Nielbihelm. Those are past memories, recollections to set his life straight as Cloud was living a lie. It also proved that he used to have a crush on Tifa and was brought out upon Tifa. But on another basis, that’s a crush that is short live. Anyone can outgrow a crush and like someone new. No one is going to wait, what, 5 years later to see if that person will still like you or feel the same way as you. Why don’t you put two and two together.
Cloud’s life is mess up;Tifa knows Truth. Tifa tells lies and keep truth;Cloud fall to his doom. Cloud is mess up, again; Tifa is forced to reconcile the truth with Cloud.
Lunatic HighVII,
You are right. Plus, Cloud already kept his promise, what, saving Tifa, how many times? Yeah, real independant of her. As in the beginning, Cloud didn’t gave a damn about anyone else, just his job as being a mercernary. What, how many times did he try to leave? 3 times until Tifa brought up the ‘promise’ thing to tied him down to her. Yeah, really nice friend when you done your deed already. I may be a Cloris fan, but I’m not gonna denied that Cloud doesn’t care about her. Tifa’s his only "so-called" friend left and the only one that made Cloud felt not like a loser when she say she was his friend. But of course, Cloud still feel like a loser, that’s why he join Soldier, to prove to himself and Tifa&friends that he is strong and will fit in with them.
Heh, and there’s really nothing romantic about that Night under the highwind scene. As it was an open opportunity for Cloud to pour his heart out to Tifa, he never did. He just. "….." and said I heard your voice and Tifa cried and he’s still like, what, a feet or two away from her. That was really an open opportunity for Cloud and he didn’t even grasp for it because, he’s over that childish crush. He outgrew it. And then, Tifa was all so embarressed in the morning and saying that the highwind is quiet and would be lonely to cover the fact that she got rejected as Cloud no longer feel the same way anymore. And please, there’s like, what, 2 or 3 versions to it but the default one is always the correct one as it was with the dating sequence.
TMA,
You ask if FF7 is mistranslated. What do you think? Of course, its mistranslated in so many ways with indirect translations. You think that something that comes from another country, like Japan, will stay with its original language. Unless you can read it or have a system that can played it, every media that comes to another country are always translated and many times its not even the original meanings of what was said or an indirect translations or even added sentences in.
But I doubt you can even read Japanese, that’s why you bring up BS. Is that your only defense now, bringing up BS, because you’re doubting yourself? Heh. I would called that doubting, to see that everyone else brought out good points, supporting points/agruments for Cloud and Aeris as the couple while you just bring BS because you can’t bring up a good enough point/agrument of why Cloti is the couple since every point/agrument you brought up has been BS and counter out. Oh, then, what ya gonna do? Frustrated and a brain as small as a peanut, you flame and called people names, when up straight, it exactly describe you.
OMFG. >.< Now YOU’RE the one retorting to insults, biatch!
Tifa and Cloud’s promise not being anything special? Then tell me, why was it there? Don’t try to deny it. She never begged him for it either. I she did, then he wouldn’t have kept it, but he DID. I don’t know what you’re fantasizing about. Why would something like that be in the game? :/ Lol. It’s funny, because you people are telling us that we’re grasping for straws, yet AC directly points to Cloud and Tifa. EVERYTHING, no doubt. Stop living in the past and look at the evidence that’s in your face. Cloud was living with the orphans, if he wasn’t then what’s that picture on the wall? A chocobo? Don’t make me laugh, hun. They are running a buisiness together. Aeris is DEAD. They had an encounter in the movie, but nothing happened. She was just glad that he saw her. He was forgiven. He’s moven past the guilt, thanks to Tifa, that pulls him through. Now I know that I can’t predict the ending in AC, but one thing’s for sure, it isn’t CloudxAeris. Stop daydreaming.
The lifestream scene is integral. There are three versions, but just like the date scene with Aeris, it’s OPTIONAL. HA! It really doesn’t matter, because it’s soley your choice how he will react to her. If you got the good one, she says, "You were watching?" Ptf! Why would she be embarrassed about him not returning her feelings. Wtf? Nice imagination, but I really don’t think people’s brains work that way. Well mabe in your supposed Japan world they do…eck!
Japan, Japan, Japan. How many more lies about Japan to you need to conjure up before it gets old? Who gives a shit if I can’t read Japanese, I’m sure you haven’t read Japanese in your life! Wannabe. But alas, it’s always in the CloudxAerith cult. Sadly. :.:
Umm if you return to the nibelhiem mansion in disc 3 it kinda explains why Cloud didnt think about tifa- cos he was comatose in a tank for 5 years!
@TMA-
This isn’t about AC, this is about final fantasy VII. And you shouldn’t bash others for not knowing Japanese, when you don’t kniw it either, ok? You said the date scene with Aeris is optional… well so is the one with Tifa. We don’t know what happened udner the highwind that night, you could be right, but so could S. Yuffie. It doesn’t matter.
Wow! So you clearly ARE ignoring the facts then, eh? Well, I’m talking about the whole thing in general. But Kingdom Hearts doesn’t count, as you Cloriths tend to think so much. Haha. Soo funny to hear you say that. And when was I the one bashing? It was Shinobi Yuffie that said I didn’t know Japanese. You should watch what comes out of your mouth before you say something, because I guarantee you, withought this lame site, you wouldn’t be relying on Japan this, Japan that. http://s8.************.com/Cloud_x_Aerith/index.php?act=idx (Destiny Fullfilleed) So stop sucking. "I want to meet you" Does not mean I want to have a relashionship with you or whatever, because one of my friend’s friend’s is Japanese and had no clue what she was talking about, so there!
I wasn’t ignoring anything. I don’t know why you won’t understand this, so I’ll keep saying it. We don’t know what happens in AC, so we shouldn’t assume anything. I didn’t say anything about KH, so theirs a clorith for you. What facts am I supposidly ignoring, hm?
I think Clotis should open their own thread, this one used to be peaceful, like Huntress Krystle said.
I wasn’t ignoring anything. I don’t know why you won’t understand this, so I’ll keep saying it. We don’t know what happens in AC, so we shouldn’t assume anything. I didn’t say anything about KH, so theirs a clorith for you. What facts am I supposidly ignoring, hm?
I think Clotis should open their own thread, this one used to be peaceful, like Huntress Krystle said.
I said SOME Cloriths, because 90% on forums these days love that site so much..OmFG jAPAN!11 They have no clue what they are talking about.
Bla, blah..We don’t know what happens, eh? Yeah right. Because you’re ignoring the facts that point to NO Clorith and at least some resolution to the love triangle.
LOLZ! You spammed up our thread, after I kept asking you nicely to get out, since you wouldn’t listen. Now it’s closed. Boohooo. 🙁
I don’t know what site you are referring to… :confused: So, I guess im not part of that 90%
Okay, if I’m ignoring facts, would you mind filling me in, with he facts I am ignoring? Obviously I am not aware of these, and Iwould like to be…
Please, no more arguing. You’re going to get THIS thread closed. And we don’t want that. Just start another Tifa thread, and keep it peaceful and it won’t get closed. 😉
NOTE: C’mon guys! Don’t let this thread die like the CloudxTifa one did!
I would say Aeris because there IS nothing but love in her heart.
NOTE: C’mon guys! Don’t let this thread die like the CloudxTifa one did!
I’l keep this thread alive. Don’t worry. I won’t allow it to perish just like that, cuz I like this thread.
By the way, can someone define the term "clorith" (if that’s how you spell it), because I don’t know what this means.
Yes, this is true. It is not just a normal discussion about Cloud and Aeris anymore. Now, more Cloud/Tifa fans show up, and talk about them, because the other tread got closed.
It is just sad that certain threads always have to end up this way. Talking about Cloud and Tifa all the time, is a way off topic, because it simply is Cloud and Aeris we should talk about in here.
I told everybody what I had to say, and I’m not going to change my opinion. Everybody else should do that too, instead of starting fights or senseless discussions. And I’m not wondering, if somebody closes this thread. 🙁
If people care, they’ll search for it themselves.
But the Cloriths are in denial. And it’s pretty sad that they don’t want to convert. :/
Cloud and Aeris are the true couple, believe it or not, that’s the way it is.
Pwned.
And what’s funny is these quotes are as official as you can get. Yet many Cloriths try to prove it wrong.
Tifa: "So this is why you left"
Tifa: "He’s not here anymore"
Marlene: "Did he leave because he’s sick?"
WCM: "I heard you’ve been living with the orphans"
Cloud: "Let’s go home"
Double pwned. Can’t counter that.
ROFLMAO!
Okay then, if you want proof, then here it is:
Everyone left to find what they’re fighting for.
To that, Tifa stayed. I don’t have to look for what I’m fighting for, Tifa taught me that—-
Everyone came back. Barret too, Cid too, Red13 too. Midgar’s (I forget the job title) Cait sith too. I was surprised Vincent came, he didn’t seem to care of things. At last was Yuffie.
(a pep talk) To the northern crater!
I hope everything works out, and Aerith’s prayer reaches the planet.
Ooooooh daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaang.
Aeris at Gongaga:
Her initial attraction to Cloud apparently was "maybe, just maybe Cloud could be Zacks and everything would be as it was". It’s only in Gongaga that Aerith realizes Cloud and Zacks are two different people.
It makes a lot of sense. Aerith is forward with Cloud, expecting so much out of him even though she doesn’t know him and he doesn’t know her.
"Turns out, it was my bad."
"But, Cloud is Cloud."
"But Cloud, is pretty slow."
It ends with her thinking that Cloud has taken very much to Zacks’ ways but is still a dull/slow guy (that’s the real Cloud).
Think of how Cloud could only answer to Aerith with things like "I dunno" or "Nothing much", completely oblivious of her feelings. Apparently Zacks was more lively and relatable for someone like Aerith. If Zacks was asked "what do you think of me?" I don’t think he’d stare off into space like Cloud did.
And another interesting thing I found out was that, in the German version, Aerith says this:
well in my version [German Version] they talked about her early love [Zach] and then she said: "I want to be with you….."
Cloud said: "But I’m with you!"
She said in her mind: "I know……".
That’s the scene. she just saw Zach in Cloud, she wanted to be with Zach.
Pwnt again.
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I enjoy necrophilia.
You’re sick…
I won’t say it’s completely like that well about aeris in the movie how do you suppose that she’s there also in ff tactics wierd she seems to travel to different time same as cloud…
Cloti Side:
but when i first played the game, i seriously wanted Tifa and Cloud to be together in the end. The problem with childhood crushes is that is goes away, but the actual crush can develop and grow stronger in the end. From what ive seen, many people who grew up with a friend ended falling in love with them .. Tifa and Clouds relationship is sorta like that, he remembers her when he sees her, he remembers the promsie, she helps him out in his concious, the lifestream sequence, the highwind.
what of aerith though? when he first crashes the ceiling of the church and he sees her you are given those two options, either you remember her or you dont. From what I see, I think square wanted you to choose the direction of the love story. I think I can understand, that when Aerith saw cloud she thought of zack.. such as when they sit in the playground she speaks of her first love, cloud must have stirred some memories of zack in aeriths brain.
Clorith Side:
but aerith and cloud share that spiritual connection. when sephiroth kills her, he begins saying how he will never hear her laugh, get angry, or anything. even before that when they leave the Ancients Temple, and cloud wakes up in gongaga (or somewhere around there) did he not have a dream of Aerith in the Forest? He decided to follow her, because he knew she was searching for something. I wouldnt call this actual love, but I would call it a connection of some sort, that could lead to love depending on your view. When she dies, cloud lays her down in the water and continues the journey to save the planet to fuffill aeriths path. but what of it? its a connection.. can it actually be love though?
I dont know, but I still like TifaxCloud so much better..
Okay I’m sry evryone on my buddy list and TMA but….. well how shall i put this…
TIFA SUCKS!!!!!!!! RECOGNIZE MY NAME?! She’s a girl with big breasts and just wants to be wit cloud. Aeris liked cloud and didi ysa notice cloud cried!!!!! He grieveing so get over it TMA,
I don’t wanna hear a notha word from you anymore. Talk to the hand. Don’t go there girlfriend, *snap, snap* imhm.
ahh so tifa has big breasts?! so what! Aerith must have something under that dress also right?
Okay I’m sry evryone on my buddy list and TMA but….. well how shall i put this…
TIFA SUCKS!!!!!!!! RECOGNIZE MY NAME?! She’s a girl with big breasts and just wants to be wit cloud. Aeris liked cloud and didi ysa notice cloud cried!!!!! He grieveing so get over it TMA,
I don’t wanna hear a notha word from you anymore. Talk to the hand. Don’t go there girlfriend, *snap, snap* imhm.
Wow… :laugh: Go Aerisfreak 🙂
and Solaris, yes, it was quite funny. 🙂
Okay I’m sry evryone on my buddy list and TMA but….. well how shall i put this…
TIFA SUCKS!!!!!!!! RECOGNIZE MY NAME?! She’s a girl with big breasts and just wants to be wit cloud. Aeris liked cloud and didi ysa notice cloud cried!!!!! He grieveing so get over it TMA,
I don’t wanna hear a notha word from you anymore. Talk to the hand. Don’t go there girlfriend, *snap, snap* imhm.
your talking like tifa is evil…
Cloti Side:
but when i first played the game, i seriously wanted Tifa and Cloud to be together in the end. The problem with childhood crushes is that is goes away, but the actual crush can develop and grow stronger in the end. From what ive seen, many people who grew up with a friend ended falling in love with them .. Tifa and Clouds relationship is sorta like that, he remembers her when he sees her, he remembers the promsie, she helps him out in his concious, the lifestream sequence, the highwind.
what of aerith though? when he first crashes the ceiling of the church and he sees her you are given those two options, either you remember her or you dont. From what I see, I think square wanted you to choose the direction of the love story. I think I can understand, that when Aerith saw cloud she thought of zack.. such as when they sit in the playground she speaks of her first love, cloud must have stirred some memories of zack in aeriths brain.
Clorith Side:
but aerith and cloud share that spiritual connection. when sephiroth kills her, he begins saying how he will never hear her laugh, get angry, or anything. even before that when they leave the Ancients Temple, and cloud wakes up in gongaga (or somewhere around there) did he not have a dream of Aerith in the Forest? He decided to follow her, because he knew she was searching for something. I wouldnt call this actual love, but I would call it a connection of some sort, that could lead to love depending on your view. When she dies, cloud lays her down in the water and continues the journey to save the planet to fuffill aeriths path. but what of it? its a connection.. can it actually be love though?
I dont know, but I still like TifaxCloud so much better..
You have some really great points there, thanks for expressing your opinion nicely. 🙂
I know what you mean, of Cloud and Tifa, because they knew each other as children. But, would you want to fall in love with someone who hung out with a group that made fun of you, and never let you in, or even gave you a chance to prove yourself? I’m not pinning this on Tifa, but if you were Cloud, would you not think twice about it, when they never thought twice of you?
Aerith and Cloud did have a spiritual connection, but could it have been more? Cloud’s mom says he needs someone older, well, Aerith is older. Cait Sith says they’re compatible, and Aerith’s death caused Cloud to have emotion. He cried, and it made him lost, because Aerith gave him hope, before. She was always there to guide him. After her death, he said he didn’t know what to do, because Aerith wasn’t there with him anymore. 🙁 Plus, she has a great personality to counter Cloud’s coldhearted personality. Not that Tifa doesn’t have a warm hearted personality, but she’s just too shy for Cloud.
Don’t make fun of me!!!!
hey jiro i go wit you too i hate sephiroth too. for the same reason.
Okay I’m sry evryone on my buddy list and TMA but….. well how shall i put this…
TIFA SUCKS!!!!!!!! RECOGNIZE MY NAME?! She’s a girl with big breasts and just wants to be wit cloud. Aeris liked cloud and didi ysa notice cloud cried!!!!! He grieveing so get over it TMA,
I don’t wanna hear a notha word from you anymore. Talk to the hand. Don’t go there girlfriend, *snap, snap* imhm.
OMG LYKE REALLY?!!?!1111 BuT ClOuD wAS fOrGiVen By aERith
Dude, it wasn’t the children of Nibelheim that rejected Cloud. Cloud had this ego problem. He longed for acceptance and closeness but he also strived to be the best, which, tore him from the group. He says all this shit himself in the lifestream sequence. The kids picked on him because of this.
Aerith and Cloud did have a spiritual connection, but could it have been more? Cloud’s mom says he needs someone older, well, Aerith is older. Cait Sith says they’re compatible, and Aerith’s death caused Cloud to have emotion. He cried, and it made him lost, because Aerith gave him hope, before. She was always there to guide him. After her death, he said he didn’t know what to do, because Aerith wasn’t there with him anymore. 🙁 Plus, she has a great personality to counter Cloud’s coldhearted personality. Not that Tifa doesn’t have a warm hearted personality, but she’s just too shy for Cloud.
When Aeris died, Cloud still wasn’t himself. She wasn’t always there to guide him, either. Who doesn’t get emotional when someone close to you dies? Was Cloud the only character that was pissed off/sad/confused about what to do next? And, Cloud doesn’t have a coldhearted personality. Cloud with Zack’s SOLDIER mindset does.
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So what do you think will happen at the end of AC?
I know what you mean, of Cloud and Tifa, because they knew each other as children. But, would you want to fall in love with someone who hung out with a group that made fun of you, and never let you in, or even gave you a chance to prove yourself? I’m not pinning this on Tifa, but if you were Cloud, would you not think twice about it, when they never thought twice of you?
Aerith and Cloud did have a spiritual connection, but could it have been more? Cloud’s mom says he needs someone older, well, Aerith is older. Cait Sith says they’re compatible, and Aerith’s death caused Cloud to have emotion. He cried, and it made him lost, because Aerith gave him hope, before. She was always there to guide him. After her death, he said he didn’t know what to do, because Aerith wasn’t there with him anymore. 🙁 Plus, she has a great personality to counter Cloud’s coldhearted personality. Not that Tifa doesn’t have a warm hearted personality, but she’s just too shy for Cloud.
Well think about it, it wasnt really Tifa’s fault was it? When your at that age you really dont pay attention to who your hurting. Tifa still wanted Cloud to be part of the group right? She still acted nice to him when the other guys werent around, and she just went with the flow so as not to loose popularity. Like in mt. nibel there was a scence that cloud kept going foward and everyone else went away, only Tifa continued to go with him. She wasnt that bad as many people put her out to be (not saying you).
Sure, Aeriths personality is nice and warm, but sometimes not even the warmest personalities can penetrate coldheartdness. Tifa is just as optimistic, though she is more pensieve and seems to way out the pro’s and con’s. Thats, what I believe, the only real fault of Tifas, she overanalyzes everything and tends to feel vicitimized. But Tifas will is pretty strong, considering the one she loves may love her best friend. And what of Cait Sith? Its a fortune.. do all fortunes come out to be true?
And when Sephiroth slashed Tifa, Cloud had just as much emotion no? He took zacks sword and went to attack sephiroth, even if he was weaker. I think that amounts to something.
Tifa has little faults, but so does Aeris. True, Tifa is just as optimistic, but she sometimes has troubles expressing her feelings, like most normal human being tends to do once in while. I just think, a more outgoing person would be more suitable for Cloud.
Cloud reacted to Tifa’s slash with emotion, as well as Aerith’s death. For Tifa, he was thirsty for revenge, for everything Sephiroth had done. Tifa was the only one who listened to him, when he was a left out child. This hurt him. Tifa’s slash was the icing on the cake, to all of what Sephiroth had done. Of course, I don’t say Cloud doesn’t love Tifa, just that, he has more of a romantic relationship with Aerith. Through the whole game, Aerith’s and Cloud’s relationship continues to increase, and then, her death, is sort of like a climax of the story. Everything falls from there, Cloud loses hope, the party is sad. But, there is one person to bring them back up again, who is Tifa. That’s why I consider Tifa to be like a sister to Cloud, because she’s there for him when he needs her, but there isn’t really a passionate romance between them.
Tifa has little faults, but so does Aeris. True, Tifa is just as optimistic, but she sometimes has troubles expressing her feelings, like most normal human being tends to do once in while. I just think, a more outgoing person would be more suitable for Cloud.
Cloud reacted to Tifa’s slash with emotion, as well as Aerith’s death. For Tifa, he was thirsty for revenge, for everything Sephiroth had done. Tifa was the only one who listened to him, when he was a left out child. This hurt him. Tifa’s slash was the icing on the cake, to all of what Sephiroth had done. Of course, I don’t say Cloud doesn’t love Tifa, just that, he has more of a romantic relationship with Aerith. Through the whole game, Aerith’s and Cloud’s relationship continues to increase, and then, her death, is sort of like a climax of the story. Everything falls from there, Cloud loses hope, the party is sad. But, there is one person to bring them back up again, who is Tifa. That’s why I consider Tifa to be like a sister to Cloud, because she’s there for him when he needs her, but there isn’t really a passionate romance between them.
Cant Aerith seem like a sister also? I mean she seems to bring him out of darkness and stick by him. Somehow in the way ive been raised only family can really do that. Aerith has just as much trouble expressing her feelings, since she never openly expresses that she loves cloud. I think Tifa has more openly expressed her feelings, since childhood and afterwards.
Erm….No. >_>
I don’t know if your’e pulling straws out of mid air or anything but cloud was not trying to sniff or jack tifa’s underwear. That underwear could of came from anywhere.
he did twices in the story he was telling and when he came back to get tifa’s final limit final heaven
you guys seriously need to shut the hell up about the orthopedic undies, especially since they belong to…tifa!
did aeris have those!
no. hell no.
i suggest you get back on topic of the stupid convos on how cloud and aeris are "trully meant to be…"
*hurls lunch*
pansies.
A Tifa/Yuffie, interesting idea……
i reckon it would be and it shines a whole new perspective on it just cause it wasnt played out doesnt mean it is not true like maybe barret and aeris or vincent and tifa could have been perfect couples who klnows the only reason this debate takes place is cause they play on that with aeris tifa cloud.
if you wanna talk about optional stuff, you might as well bring this up too, then, since all of those are for funny/fun factor of which gets the story rolling and the gamer not bored.
Selphie, interesting perspective.
But you know, it was thought out with the Cloud/yuffie thing and other pairs and yet got bombard by others and BS by. I’m all open to those ideas since I would find it interesting.
Of course it’s meaningless now! It was 5 years ago. So if you have crush on someone would that mean you will have that same crush for 5 years. It’s more likely you outgrow that crush.
besides Cloud was a wimp when it came to girls so he probably just minded his own business.
maybe he doesn’t deserve any of the girls.
Sheesh. Someone mention about the "Dating" thing and how Tifa is the main one and Aeris and everyone else is optional. Really, I guess when hundreds of other player played, and then got Aeris first, because she’s the default one, set in motion by SE itself to get the story rolling. Her story was the true scenario and the true date. You might as well been mean to Aeris and got Tifa and then try to claim that she’s the true one. Uh-huh. That reasoning need work since its not even true. Of how about being mean to both girls and get Yuffie. You might as well say that Yuffie is the true date too or Barret.
There’s a difference, and the default choice is always the correct one or mode. Play other games and see it for yourself. I’ve played enough to know that all others are for the fun factor or challenge.
And really, using the same arguement of Cloud is Zack and Aeris only like Cloud because he look like Zack is really…getting old. Is it like, everything that was talk about and vital got picked apart and only the info. you want get posted into your agrument. Try better. As Cloud confuse some of his memories with Zack but yet he still remembers Tifa and everything else in his life. Confusing some of your memories is not the same as trying to act as someone else. He thought he was Soldier, he thought he came that day to Neilbihelm but soon found out that it wasn’t him. Can Cloud be blame for that? No. He had a lot of Mako poisioning which really mess him up and confuse some of his memories with Zack. But then again, who wants to feel like a loser when you didn’t make it into Soldier, so Cloud might as well borrow a few memories to not look like a loser.
Instead of trying to tear it apart, pay attention to every detail as Aeris admitted herself to Cloud the difference between Cloud and Zack. She saw similarities but realize the difference that Cloud and Zack are two different people. Cloud reminded her of Zack, so Aeris saw Zack in Cloud but later on realize that they are two different people.
Really, set it straight as most of it is really..nonsense.
Exactly, We arent sure what happened on the highwind so its best not to assume things. But for anything, I think at the moment when they were under the highwind, from what you see they had a pretty touching moment together. Sharing old feelings you know?
And as aeriscloud say, maybe it was a hint that Cloud was distancing himself from tifa. as not to hurt her to much, knowing that he loves aerith…
ok, and im sorry im jumping from side to side. but I think square wanted Cloud and Aerith to be together. But I am a cloti fan.
Sheesh. Someone mention about the "Dating" thing and how Tifa is the main one and Aeris and everyone else is optional. Really, I guess when hundreds of other player played, and then got Aeris first, because she’s the default one, set in motion by SE itself to get the story rolling. Her story was the true scenario and the true date. You might as well been mean to Aeris and got Tifa and then try to claim that she’s the true one. Uh-huh. That reasoning need work since its not even true. Of how about being mean to both girls and get Yuffie. You might as well say that Yuffie is the true date too or Barret.
There’s a difference, and the default choice is always the correct one or mode. Play other games and see it for yourself. I’ve played enough to know that all others are for the fun factor or challenge.
And really, using the same arguement of Cloud is Zack and Aeris only like Cloud because he look like Zack is really…getting old. Is it like, everything that was talk about and vital got picked apart and only the info. you want get posted into your agrument. Try better. As Cloud confuse some of his memories with Zack but yet he still remembers Tifa and everything else in his life. Confusing some of your memories is not the same as trying to act as someone else. He thought he was Soldier, he thought he came that day to Neilbihelm but soon found out that it wasn’t him. Can Cloud be blame for that? No. He had a lot of Mako poisioning which really mess him up and confuse some of his memories with Zack. But then again, who wants to feel like a loser when you didn’t make it into Soldier, so Cloud might as well borrow a few memories to not look like a loser.
Instead of trying to tear it apart, pay attention to every detail as Aeris admitted herself to Cloud the difference between Cloud and Zack. She saw similarities but realize the difference that Cloud and Zack are two different people. Cloud reminded her of Zack, so Aeris saw Zack in Cloud but later on realize that they are two different people.
Really, set it straight as most of it is really..nonsense.
I completely agree with aeriscloud. There is no evidence that Cloud and Tifa made love under the highwind. Tifa could have been embarrassed for many reasons. One being, embarressment of Cloud not feeling the same way she does, another being, she was snuggling up next to Cloud, which may have embarrassed her. Anything couldhave happened. Aeris is the defult date of the game, because that’s the way the story is supposed to lean. Square intended for Aeris and Cloud to be together. The reason they wanted you to get attatched to her, was so that you could feel Cloud’s pain, when she was killed. It was his true love, and then, she was torn away from him… Aeris didn’t just see the Zack in Cloud!! Maybe, her first impression was "hmm, he kinda looks like Zack…" That isn’t why she liked him. She saw Cloud as Cloud, nothing else. When does it say anything about her liking the Zack in Cloud?
@Solaris: Its good, to be in between. It shows you understand the game, and admit it differs from your liking. 🙂
Please, TMA,
Is that all you can do? Trying to act like little ms. Innocent now? ‘I don’t flame or called people names..blah blah blah…stop arguing.." I guess you didn’t learn from your first mistake and if you wanna claim that your so called posts are ripping cloriths points apart, think again of how lame your posts are and got shredded by two. Oh, yet again you skipped over the most thoughtful, intellectual post that actually proves points and support and come with BS. really, try harder or do you need a hint of how lame some of your posts were and got shredded in two. Try the "Why FF7 isn’t so great thread", Gawd. It got shredded in two because you don’t know how to grasp the concept and try to be, what, control freak type 2, someone who thinks they know everything and assumes this and that and think they’re so right. Oh yes, if you wanna slang at me, try harder because I don’t need to know how lame so your posts were to know that it got shredded. And please, trying to claim that Cloriths are using fan magazines, how hypocrite are you, when you’re using those same so called "fan magazines" for your little argument. In fact, did you already see the movie? What, you can see the future that’s why the movie is screaming Cloti?Gawd, really try harder. Since you can’t do neither, try to say that Cloriths are doing assumptions on the movie when you, yourself are doing it. If you wanna gave your little Cloti interpretation, any neutral can see its in between. Or do you not know how trailers work? Bit and pieces with dialogue doesn’t really prove anything and the movie is like what, 70% complete or something, so the movie can turn out to be different. If you wanna say that all trailers end up the way you want to see it, try harder. It doesn’t always work that way.
all the necessary evidence has been put forward, the Cloud/Zack thing, the date, reactions at certain points in the game, and all of it makes sense.
1. Cloud had failed as a SOLDIER, this embarassed him , so he utilised Zack, Zacks memories and manerisms to portray a member of SOLDIER, Aeris obviously saw this, thats why she says " I want to meet the real you"
2. Clouds hole reason for joining Soldier was to get Tifa to notice him, he might not have joined if he relised that Tifa only ignored him because her mother had recently died.
3. at gongaga both Tifa and Aeris react strongly, Tifa because of the Nibelhiem incident, Aeris because she loved Zack.
4. Clouds reaction to Aeris’s death " my eyes are burning…my mouth is dry…my hands are shaking" he probably would have said that if it had been Tifa, he cared for BOTH of them.
5. just because Aeris dies does not automatically mean Cloud ends up with Tifa is true, but if Aeris had lived then a Cloud/Aeris pairing is equally uncertain
6. who knows what happened under the Highwind, there are a number of possibilities as to tifa’s embarrasment, but it can be twisted to suit either side. tifa and Cloud may have gotten closer, they may have become further apart
7. the gold Saucer date scene is unreliable, you can end up with any of the characters just depending on how you play the game, so to use that as a reason is illogical
8. Aeris will only make Cloud open up IF YOU WANT HIM TO, again this evidence is only down to how you play the game..
there are more points still but i hope my message is across
Anyway, i just wanna share this super nice fanart of Cloud and Aeris! They look great together, don’t they? 🙂
Please, TMA,
Is that all you can do? Trying to act like little ms. Innocent now? ‘I don’t flame or called people names..blah blah blah…stop arguing.." I guess you didn’t learn from your first mistake and if you wanna claim that your so called posts are ripping cloriths points apart, think again of how lame your posts are and got shredded by two. Oh, yet again you skipped over the most thoughtful, intellectual post that actually proves points and support and come with BS. really, try harder or do you need a hint of how lame some of your posts were and got shredded in two. Try the "Why FF7 isn’t so great thread", Gawd. It got shredded in two because you don’t know how to grasp the concept and try to be, what, control freak type 2, someone who thinks they know everything and assumes this and that and think they’re so right. Oh yes, if you wanna slang at me, try harder because I don’t need to know how lame so your posts were to know that it got shredded. And please, trying to claim that Cloriths are using fan magazines, how hypocrite are you, when you’re using those same so called "fan magazines" for your little argument. In fact, did you already see the movie? What, you can see the future that’s why the movie is screaming Cloti?Gawd, really try harder. Since you can’t do neither, try to say that Cloriths are doing assumptions on the movie when you, yourself are doing it. If you wanna gave your little Cloti interpretation, any neutral can see its in between. Or do you not know how trailers work? Bit and pieces with dialogue doesn’t really prove anything and the movie is like what, 70% complete or something, so the movie can turn out to be different. If you wanna say that all trailers end up the way you want to see it, try harder. It doesn’t always work that way.
Oh, gawd. Just STFU already. I have evidence from the movie. EVERYTHING POINTS TO CLOUD ATLEAST LIVING WITH TIFA. Why is it even so hard to acknoledge that they are friends? Simple, Clorith see it as a threat, and please, save your whiny ass bitching arguments for another thread. So now you’re suddenly saying, "Let’s wait till the movie is over." Your arguments are weak. And when the f**k was I getting my info form old outdated magazines? Get your info straight. It’s growing tiresome. I win, you lose. Look who’s backed up in a corner now. I beg to differ that it’s me. I BEG TO DIFFER.
For the record, I don’t give a damn about the Cloud/Aeris/Tifa thing, so it doesn’t matter to me which side is right, assuming one is even correct.
That kind of disrespect is the reason you get flamed. If you stay civil, you can use that to force others to do the same. If someone still flames you when you’ve called them on it, they discredit themselves.
If that doesn’t work go to www.aerisonline.com
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TMA: When it comes to flaming, i think you’re the champion. Shinobi may have bashed you but what you did to her, and to the other members was worse. Actually, now, I can fully understand why u were banned in another forum. Maybe there’s really something wrong w/u and u need to change. If you’ll continue flaming the Cloriths, what’s the purpose of your Cloti thread? No ones forcing u to stop posting here, but for you to call people names and insult them is just too much. Remember, this thread is for Aeris/Cloud discussion and nothing else. I dont think lines such as "save your whiny ass bitching arguments" are necessary. And now, I can see that Prak’s your new target. When will u grow up. Lastly, someone like you will never win and will always end up a loser. Accept that.
Ewww gross.
Actually, now, I can fully understand why u were banned in another forum.
No you can’t. I never participated in any LT debates. I would just spam constantly, but that’s when I was a n00b.
Yes, I suck so bad. I flame everyone.
Here’s an example of my rudeness…lesse…I make a joke about Cloud and Tifa having sex under the highwind..And then it’s OMFG INsUlT T_M_A!11 Then Shinobi Yuffie started attacking me. So no, it wasn’t my fault.
you should get a life and wait till the movie is out. kind of useless spreading all your evidence now just to make a point that isn’t all that important.
and see what i mean when i say your age has everything to do with it? the arguments you come up with are all sad and miserable. especially when you try to insult others
get a life TMA. and face it, u cannot rip the cloriths piece by piece. not even in ur dreams. just post your worthless rants in your beloved cloti thread.
It will be in the near future when you interact with real people. When they try to understand your point.
get a life TMA. and face it, u cannot rip the cloriths piece by piece. not even in ur dreams. just post your worthless rants in your beloved cloti thread.
OMG I’M SO SCARED. Turns out I have been ripping the Cloriths apart, yet they deny the Clotiness. I don’t have a life. OMFG I DON’T. It seems that’s the most common insult anyone can come up with. Why resort to personal attacks when you don’t even know the person? Plus telling them that is a lame excuse for their good arguments that they throw in your face.
And I do get human interaction. I’m not the one with zits on my face.
and i bet you get human interaction "look there goes the freak nobody likes"
and btw there are older people than me in foruns. this is an alternate way to interact since life sometimes can get hard or simply boring. oh i’m sorry you wouldn’t know anything about that yet.
How am I being a hypocrite? He started it. So I’m just throwing him a peice of his own medicine.
you really are a desperate loser.
Uh-huh. I go picking fights on web-forums for absolutely no reasen.
and i bet you get human interaction "look there goes the freak nobody likes"
That’s why I have friends. That’s why I have an AB average. And that’s also why I have the intelligence to debate properly.
and btw there are older people than me in foruns. this is an alternate way to interact since life sometimes can get hard or simply boring. oh i’m sorry you wouldn’t know anything about that yet.
But you just said I’m one of those people that goes to web forums to vent my frustrations out. Twisting your words, eh?
you’re the one twisting words when you have nothing else to say.
Hey, aeriscloud,
I have a question for you. You been studying Japanese for 4 years and still is, can you tell me what this FF7 Dismantled is? These so called non bias Cloti who are bias have been shoving it up and saying it screams Cloti all over it. But I have my doubts and want to know if you know what it is.
There are flaws to that. Throughout the game, it was only Cloud that felt Aeris’s presence and Sephiroth’s. So until someone comes up with a good supporting point to counter that out, Tifa can’t necessary go to the Promise Land because she wouldn’t make it. She couldn’t felt Aeris’s presence nor Sephiroth’s, so Tifa really has no chance to make it there.
It’s funny how many would claim that Cloud offered Tifa to come but that’s not necessary true. He never did offer nor asked Tifa to come with him to the Promise Land. Like I said, only Cloud can felt Aeris’s presence, so there’s no way for Tifa to be able to find it, let alone go with Cloud. But again, Cloud only talked in "about himself". He never confirmed nor answer Tifa that they should go together, so that possiblity is ruled out. As someone stated, he kept looking forward and never even acknowlege her once. So that was Tifa’s idea as she came to an understanding to what Cloud was saying.
Funny you should ask me that, shinobiyuffie. FF7 dismanteld, huh. Its really just an Ultamania or how shall you said, fan guides. It may have the official logo on it but the only thing that gets credit is the interviews. Neither of the original staff work on writing those scenarios, so its just some author who’s doing it, hired by Square, stamped by its logo and presume by fans to be official when its really not so. I saw that someone posted some quotes, claiming that its in favor of Cloti but in reality,is that person even sure ? It seems many of these so called quotes have been cut to a person’s liking as there was more to that. Probably got it from a Pro-Cloti site called Loveless since I saw some similar quotes that was quoted here, claiming in favor and showing how it proves its Cloti but that person needs a reality check since its in neither Cloti nor Cloris favors. A neutral transalator also saw the same thing too while translating it, so its really just picking apart what proves the point and claiming it when the book is for neither sides. Really, don’t come hashing at me if you never even collected Fan guides or Ultamanias from Japan. I have plenty and they all work in a similar way.
Well later ya’ll! Can’t convince Shinobi Yuffie cuz’ her cranium is too thick.
Funny you should say that TMA, since you couldn’t grasp the concept of what aeriscloud said. Really, you study Japanese and know a lot more than aeriscloud? Gimme a break as you don’t. Or did you missed the part where aeriscloud says that both sides can nit pick the parts they want? Oh, how about the entry where Cloud mention a sentence or two about settling his past, to be his self and anything above else, to unfreeze her smile. And who’s smile is that? Tifa. Please, its Aeris.
You have nothing to back it up besides some ‘it’s all cloti’ when there are some dialogue missing from that monologue. She also mention that a neutral translator saw the same thing too, so its neither for Cloti nor Clorith. Wish whatever you want, as again, your so called evidence been shred in two, trying to prove something when it isn’t. No, I’m not ignoring that book but as it is back up by neutral translators, your so called evidence is nothing to believe in. And please, aeriscloud did say to collect fan guides and ultamanias to see what its like, but knowing you, yeah, grasping straws outta mid air again, aren’t you. She’s more belivable than you.
And I support what aeriscloud said on Tifa not going to the promised land. When He pulls himself and tifa up he said ‘i think i can meet her there’ but he never mentioned anything with her, she just added herself in.
Actually, CIML on the subject of your Dismantled thread, Shiva’s been very busy lately and doesn’t even know it’s there yet(I actually just informed her). But I’ll respond to it here.
Whoever it is that has translated it is LYING.
Oh really? I???ll have you know that what that person translates is being cited by many people throughout the net. Rinoa is not lying. Where is your proof she is? Where are your ???true??? translations? Please do provide them. Rinoa and the ones working on the translations actually translated it directly from Japanese to English. She can give you the exact quote in Japanese translated into English. I???ve never seen anything of the sort posted by you or the neutral fan who???s not so neutral, Vilaeth. Provide us with your translations then and prove that Rinoa is lying. Right now, there is nothing more than baseless assumptions and accusations coming from your part.
Someone posted about it awhile ago posted these translations around. A neutral fan(meaning he prefers neither couple, he actually got very insulted when I mistook him for a Cleris fan) tried to inform them of their mistranslations, but unable to get any kind of a response he posted about it in a Cleris forum.
Well, when he was contacted about it on another forum, this is what he said about Dismantled:
The closest I did was saying that how much weight you think the monologues have depends on how official you think it is, since I didn’t remember the credits for it. Since I found the credits and now know it was supervised by Square, I don’t have any problem with it- valtiel (Vilaeth on that forum)
Seems like your official translator approves of Dismantled as well.
By which I only meant those parts I mentioned looked different than what I see in the book (but as I said before, it only looks like a summary and could just be how it’s edited).- valtiel
In fact, this translator said he only skimmed through it and he could be wrong. :shifty:
Now, keep in mind that this fan is NEUTRAL and simply wanted the truth be known.
BTW, Dismantled isn’t "as official as it gets" because all of those monolouges were written by Benny Matsuyama. Yes, it was approved by Square. But it’s not as "official" as it gets.
ALL information that???s included in Dismantled is provided by the staff. All information is approved by the staff and if they did not agree they wouldn???t have put it there. And this person has done other such work for Square for other FFs. So unless you can provide us with some proof that Square considers that book unofficial, it is very much ???as official as it gets???. Too bad if you don???t like it. -_-
If you yourself are capable of reading Japanese and you see someone has just completely mistranslated passages from the book, why not start translating it yourself?
That I would very much like to see. Accusing others without proof means squat.
Ok, so denzel’s tiny frame blocked off a bit of Cloud’s arm. Wheee… erm..why are we talking about his arm being obscured in the first place?
I should be asking that. I provided the picture as an addition to all the other info that Tifa was living with Cloud yet people picked at Cloud???s (barely visible) expression. 🙂
lmao, you’re quite funny yourself. If you’re not using it as evidence for cloud x tifa, why mentioned it in this ‘love triangle debate’
You misunderstood, dear. Read above. That???s what I used it for.
Oh well, nevermind, if you say so. We all know Tifa and Cloud contacted each other in AC. Thanks for telling us the obvious
My exact words were ???had been in contact and living together???-_-
But I have a feeling Cleris will emerge the winner if you go scene by scene.Don’t shout at me now… it’s my feeling.
Is that supposed to sound intimidating? Cause it???s not working so far. :rolleyes:
Nope, like you said, Cloud contacted Tifa is AC. Don’t contradict your previous post
If you are going to quote me, do it properly. Don???t take half my sentence, it doesn???t make you look any better. ^_^
Ever heard of fate?
Good point. Alot of people assume that. He’ll probably end up alone.
And she fits in with the picture All i know is tifa & cloud are now a couple i think…..Of course i’m a dumbass
Hope if the first step on the road to dissapointment
Oh no my ego has been tarnished. 🙁
hey Angelic Aeris i’m with you all the way =)
thank you! =) =)
Why don’t you just quit being such a whinny bitch?
why don’t you stop being an idiot?
guess you want another fight
funny how you only reply here. why not in your own thread? afraid it might get closed?
tifa didn’t wnna hurt him and confuse him more he was already messed up
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sorry replie to something said earler
how do you start a thread
no one was arguing, its debate. but some people have taken it way to serious. honestly..
Cloud and Aeris- They met in a street, then, in the church, after cloud is appointed as her new bodyguard… He protects her, through thick and thin. Aeris has a certain angelic like quality that accompanies her, something that Cloud couldnt see in Tifa, as tifa was more bouncy and fiesty. The barmaid from 7th Heaven. Aeris was the quiet flower girl, in the church. Cloud stayed with her right to the very end. Even though these two situations seem alike, somehow, theyre not. Theres a certain something with Aeris and Cloud, and I cant quite put my finger on it. Aeris opens up this whole new world to Cloud, who was as cold hearted as the next SOLDIER, even though Cloud was special himself. She made him feel what no body else has…Even though aeris is dead, it doesnt mean at all that he will immediatley shack up with Tifa, as you just cant move on so quickly, and surely he will never forget about her.
Maybe someday they will be re-united as the FF7 Couple..:) Who knows? 🙂
Maybe. Maybe.
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Okay.
I don’t see any romance at all between Aeris and Cloud. All this proof you guys are providing doesn’t mean anything. Aeris cared about Cloud, but that was most likely because her sacrificing herself would mean nothing if Cloud and Co. didn’t follow through. She needed their help to stop Sephiroth and Meteor. There’s no love shit between Aeris and Cloud in the game. Perhaps some attraction here and there but I don’t see any profound soul mate evidence.
And, just like everyone says, Aeris knew her fate. Why would she, if she even did have a thing for Cloud, try to pursue it? She knew she was going to die. What’s the point in falling in love when you know you’re going to die?
Look, people. It’s like this. The ‘special’/’spiritual’, (or whatever), bond that Cloud and Aeris had was because of seven years prior to the beginning of the game, Zack and Aeris dated for a short time and she obviously cared a lot about him. How do I know? Because of the reaction Aeris had to Cloud, or should I say Zack’s memories, persona, and general appearance, in the form of Cloud. She showed compassion toward him, showing that she cared much for Zack. (This can’t be proven, as it is not written down, but if you think about it, it ties into all of the other facts that show real evidence that Cloud and Tifa are the true couple.)
Cloud’s reaction to Aeris was kinda awkward and nervous. This is where all of you people who think that Aeris and Cloud are the true couple, think you see true love, but it’s not-it’s all a delusion. At this point in the game, you’re not supposed to assume that Cloud has taken on someone else’s memories, but he has. Take a look at Cloud in the beginning of the game: He has a badass, "kill ’em all, and fuck the world" attitude, just like how an exSOLDIER should act, or so he thought. But then, along comes Aeris. Where’s his composure now? Like I said before, you’re not supposed to know yet, but Cloud isn’t himself. That’s why he’s all nervous when he meets this girl who is giving him all kinds of crazy vibes due to his ‘aquired’ memories.
During the time Cloud and Aeris are together, he is still partially living with Zack’s memories subconsciously inside him (the stories Zack told him about his life/career/relationship with Aeris, most likely, when they were on the run together from ShinRa). So, the part of him that was Zack drew him to Aeris,
and probably drew Aeris to him in some way.
Remember when they go to the Gold Saucer on the date, she makes some cryptic references to "meeting the real Cloud"? Yeah, well after she goes off and dies, Cloud rediscovers his true self. He remains fond of Aeris, but he also rediscovers his true, long time love of Tifa, now that he is able to have his OWN memories, not Zack’s, who loved Aeris, not Cloud.
There’s your proof. And it’s all straigt from the storyline.
*pisses on god is dead’s face*
Oh, and um, Cloud said he was going to have sex with Aerith’s dead body. He said he was. It’s love beyond death, right?
It’s spelt d??? ja vu
Tsk, tsk. What a bad imagination for such a young mind.
imagination? who’s imagining? this is all true…
now stop acting like children and grow up already ok?! thats for everyone who has been arguing! its tiring and now I cant even read the debates because its just flame, flame, flame, flame!
GAH! stop acting like idiots and debate like normal people. and keep all the beastiality and necrophilia away! we dont need to know your private business
Acutally, It’s not true at all. I hate TMA.
…As for the others who think since aeris is dead so cloud HAS to go with tifa, you’re wrong. he doesn’t all of the sudden go with someone because the other one died. what kind of a person does that?
You’re wrong. Because he did. Dumbass.
Ok thats it this is getting WAY tiring! its just turned into mindless blabbering. Cloud may not end up with either Tifa or Aerith so there is techinaclly no point debating it so only he ( OR SQUARE since it is A GAME) can decide.
now stop acting like children and grow up already ok?! thats for everyone who has been arguing! its tiring and now I cant even read the debates because its just flame, flame, flame, flame!
GAH! stop acting like idiots and debate like normal people. and keep all the beastiality and necrophilia away! we dont need to know your private business
No.
impossible request i’m afraid. i think his tiny brain has grown all it could. into the mind of a 6 year old.
And don’t tell me what to do. ‘Cause I wont listen.
Really. No one wants to debait. Only flame. I agree with solaris, I hope this thread gets closed.
??? Cloud,??? she???d said in a gush, pulling me to her, kissing me in a implicative kind of way, ??? I feel like I???m floating.??? Her eyes sparkled, and she snuck her hands under my shirt, running them over my chest like she was discovering it for the first time, ??? And you,??? she said, pressing her body against mine, shutting her eyes, ??? Feel like heaven.???
??? Aeri,??? I???d said, trying to keep my head, ??? You haven???t shared the ???peace pipe??? with any of those elders, have you???? She laughed.
??? No,??? she said, rolling her eyes and leaning back against the canyon wall. ??? I just feel so alive here! I can speak with the planet, Cloud. You have no idea what that???s like,??? she shut her eyes and ran her hand over the red rock of the canyon like she had my chest.
??? You???re right,??? I said, stepping forward and putting my hands on her waist, ??? I don???t.???
??? Its like being thrown up into the sky with the stars,??? she mused, capturing my lips for a moment, ??? It feels . . . infinite.???
I started to kiss her again, but she pulled away, her eyes fiery.
??? Make love to me, Cloud,??? she said, fumbling with my belt while keeping her eyes on mine. ??? I want you inside me,??? she whispered, ??? I want you to know how this feels.???
I nearly finished just at hearing her say those things, but I managed to contain myself for a moment. Our first time together didn???t last long, but it was almost better that way. It was a perfect burst of something spectacular, something infinite. I wasn???t sure if I was feeling exactly what she felt that night, but it sure as hell felt good, either way.
??? Aeri,??? I???d moaned when we were done, zipping and buttoning before we found our way back to our room at the Inn. ???Are you okay? Did it hurt????
??? Yes,??? she???d admitted with a tiny smile, kissing my cheeks, ??? But, in a good way? Do you know what I mean????
??? I guess so,??? I???d said, taking her in my arms, ??? I???m sorry.??? She laughed.
??? Don???t apologize!??? she???d said, hooking her arm through mine. ??? You can make it up to me, though. Let???s get our own room,??? she???d suggested, ??? I???ll help you pay if you don???t have enough gil.???
??? I???ve got enough,??? I???d said, even though I needed to save so I could buy weapons on the way out. But I???d do anything. ??? I???ll take care of you,??? I promised as we made our way to the Inn.
??? I know you will,??? she???d hugged me, ??? My bodyguard!??? She winked. We stayed up all night in our beloved private room, me alternating making love to her and cooing in her ear afterward, so afraid that I???d hurt her in even the smallest way. But Aeri was strong, and she knew what she wanted. She told me something that night that made me feel like a million gil, more important to me than any First Class rank I might have earned in SOLIDER.
She was lying on her back when she said it, looking up at me as I doted over her, reaching up to stroke my forehead, smooth my hair. She cocked her head and looked at me, studying my face, narrowing one eye and considering me seriously.
??? You,??? she said, ??? Make me feel close to the planet.??? I was taken aback ??? the ultimate Aeris compliment.
??? Why???? I had asked, grinning.
??? Because I love you so much,??? she???d answered honestly, ??? I think it???s the most significant, natural thing a human on this planet can do. Loving you makes me feel like . . . I???m on the right track.???
??? Cloud,??? she???d said in a gush, pulling me to her, kissing me in a implicative kind of way, ??? I feel like I???m floating.??? Her eyes sparkled, and she snuck her hands under my shirt, running them over my chest like she was discovering it for the first time, ??? And you,??? she said, pressing her body against mine, shutting her eyes, ??? Feel like heaven.???
??? Aeri,??? I???d said, trying to keep my head, ??? You haven???t shared the ???peace pipe??? with any of those elders, have you???? She laughed.
??? No,??? she said, rolling her eyes and leaning back against the canyon wall. ??? I just feel so alive here! I can speak with the planet, Cloud. You have no idea what that???s like,??? she shut her eyes and ran her hand over the red rock of the canyon like she had my chest.
??? You???re right,??? I said, stepping forward and putting my hands on her waist, ??? I don???t.???
??? Its like being thrown up into the sky with the stars,??? she mused, capturing my lips for a moment, ??? It feels . . . infinite.???
I started to kiss her again, but she pulled away, her eyes fiery.
??? Make love to me, Cloud,??? she said, fumbling with my belt while keeping her eyes on mine. ??? I want you inside me,??? she whispered, ??? I want you to know how this feels.???
I nearly finished just at hearing her say those things, but I managed to contain myself for a moment. Our first time together didn???t last long, but it was almost better that way. It was a perfect burst of something spectacular, something infinite. I wasn???t sure if I was feeling exactly what she felt that night, but it sure as hell felt good, either way.
??? Aeri,??? I???d moaned when we were done, zipping and buttoning before we found our way back to our room at the Inn. ???Are you okay? Did it hurt????
??? Yes,??? she???d admitted with a tiny smile, kissing my cheeks, ??? But, in a good way? Do you know what I mean????
??? I guess so,??? I???d said, taking her in my arms, ??? I???m sorry.??? She laughed.
??? Don???t apologize!??? she???d said, hooking her arm through mine. ??? You can make it up to me, though. Let???s get our own room,??? she???d suggested, ??? I???ll help you pay if you don???t have enough gil.???
??? I???ve got enough,??? I???d said, even though I needed to save so I could buy weapons on the way out. But I???d do anything. ??? I???ll take care of you,??? I promised as we made our way to the Inn.
??? I know you will,??? she???d hugged me, ??? My bodyguard!??? She winked. We stayed up all night in our beloved private room, me alternating making love to her and cooing in her ear afterward, so afraid that I???d hurt her in even the smallest way. But Aeri was strong, and she knew what she wanted. She told me something that night that made me feel like a million gil, more important to me than any First Class rank I might have earned in SOLIDER.
She was lying on her back when she said it, looking up at me as I doted over her, reaching up to stroke my forehead, smooth my hair. She cocked her head and looked at me, studying my face, narrowing one eye and considering me seriously.
??? You,??? she said, ??? Make me feel close to the planet.??? I was taken aback ??? the ultimate Aeris compliment.
??? Why???? I had asked, grinning.
??? Because I love you so much,??? she???d answered honestly, ??? I think it???s the most significant, natural thing a human on this planet can do. Loving you makes me feel like . . . I???m on the right track.???
cool^_^ is that a poem?
??? Cloud,??? she???d said in a gush, pulling me to her, kissing me in a implicative kind of way, ??? I feel like I???m floating.??? Her eyes sparkled, and she snuck her hands under my shirt, running them over my chest like she was discovering it for the first time, ??? And you,??? she said, pressing her body against mine, shutting her eyes, ??? Feel like heaven.???
??? Aeri,??? I???d said, trying to keep my head, ??? You haven???t shared the ???peace pipe??? with any of those elders, have you???? She laughed.
??? No,??? she said, rolling her eyes and leaning back against the canyon wall. ??? I just feel so alive here! I can speak with the planet, Cloud. You have no idea what that???s like,??? she shut her eyes and ran her hand over the red rock of the canyon like she had my chest.
??? You???re right,??? I said, stepping forward and putting my hands on her waist, ??? I don???t.???
??? Its like being thrown up into the sky with the stars,??? she mused, capturing my lips for a moment, ??? It feels . . . infinite.???
I started to kiss her again, but she pulled away, her eyes fiery.
??? Make love to me, Cloud,??? she said, fumbling with my belt while keeping her eyes on mine. ??? I want you inside me,??? she whispered, ??? I want you to know how this feels.???
I nearly finished just at hearing her say those things, but I managed to contain myself for a moment. Our first time together didn???t last long, but it was almost better that way. It was a perfect burst of something spectacular, something infinite. I wasn???t sure if I was feeling exactly what she felt that night, but it sure as hell felt good, either way.
??? Aeri,??? I???d moaned when we were done, zipping and buttoning before we found our way back to our room at the Inn. ???Are you okay? Did it hurt????
??? Yes,??? she???d admitted with a tiny smile, kissing my cheeks, ??? But, in a good way? Do you know what I mean????
??? I guess so,??? I???d said, taking her in my arms, ??? I???m sorry.??? She laughed.
??? Don???t apologize!??? she???d said, hooking her arm through mine. ??? You can make it up to me, though. Let???s get our own room,??? she???d suggested, ??? I???ll help you pay if you don???t have enough gil.???
??? I???ve got enough,??? I???d said, even though I needed to save so I could buy weapons on the way out. But I???d do anything. ??? I???ll take care of you,??? I promised as we made our way to the Inn.
??? I know you will,??? she???d hugged me, ??? My bodyguard!??? She winked. We stayed up all night in our beloved private room, me alternating making love to her and cooing in her ear afterward, so afraid that I???d hurt her in even the smallest way. But Aeri was strong, and she knew what she wanted. She told me something that night that made me feel like a million gil, more important to me than any First Class rank I might have earned in SOLIDER.
She was lying on her back when she said it, looking up at me as I doted over her, reaching up to stroke my forehead, smooth my hair. She cocked her head and looked at me, studying my face, narrowing one eye and considering me seriously.
??? You,??? she said, ??? Make me feel close to the planet.??? I was taken aback ??? the ultimate Aeris compliment.
??? Why???? I had asked, grinning.
??? Because I love you so much,??? she???d answered honestly, ??? I think it???s the most significant, natural thing a human on this planet can do. Loving you makes me feel like . . . I???m on the right track.???
That was pretty good!
1) Cloud+Aeris=Perfect couple 🙂
2) Cloud+Tifa=Lousy couple 🙁
3) Cloud+Barret=*Ahem* 😮
1. As far as i can tell he only made 1 accurate prediction. "What you persue will be yours but you will loose something dear" – this is obviously refering to Cloud finally settling his score with Sephiroth and Aeris’s death
2. nearly every other prediction he makes is codswallop, Aeris and Cloud having a long relation ship, the junky predictions he makes when he first meets Cloud
Any way getting back on topic. AerisxCloud is just an opinion so is TifaXCloud, there is ample in-game evidence to support both claims ( I have already stated this, with valid points)
Please someone Close this thread….. the same arguments are being repeated over and over.. its going nowhere now
THE TRUTH OF AERIS’ DEATH
Question:Why did Aeris die?
The main director of the game lost his mother a few years prior to the making of the game.He was so saddened and angered that he wanted to share his pain with others. Not with his family, the whole gaming world. So he created FF7. In an interview he talked about the death of his mother, and wanted to make FF7 based on the theme of life and death. He created this in a way that people would come very colse to a sweet, loving girl named, "Aeris", and in the middle, we lose her. In the dramatic 2 minute sequence, we, the players, encounter the most dramatic and saddening cinema of all time, mixed with some of the saddest music in gaming history. In this scene Aeris prays to God and Sephiroth shoves a sword through her back. But in the end, she was there, she came back. Aeris was killed in cold blood by the director of the game, not Sephiroth.
So, as you can see, Cloud still has a reason to fight and still love her at the same time. There is nothing wrong with being a Cloti fan, I accept your thought, but this is the truth. Aeris belongs to Cloud.
stop it jiro you are going to make me cry. 🙁
Even though i’m Aerisfreak91, I still think The movie won’t have Cloud and Aeris back 2gether again.
I HOPE THEY DO THOUGH!!!!!
SQUENIX DON’T YOU DARE MESS THIS MOVIE UP!!!! 😡
psssssssst, BizzaroSephiroth you got that off aeris Shrine.
that’s just cruel well at the end tifa and cloud did say they’ll visit aeris in the promise land
are you so sure that Cloud and Tifa are going to end up together?
by the way you talk you seem pretty sure
by the way you talk you seem pretty sure
people has there opinion but we’ll find out when the movie comes out
by the way you talk you seem pretty sure
Umm..yeah. I mean, not to sound like a know-it-all. But Aeris is DEAD. She wants Cloud to move on. And Tifa is alive. And she loves Cloud. And you can’t say Cloud doesn’t care about her at all.
and i’m not saying that he loved aeris either. at least not in that way.
the film will enlighten us all i hope.
You probably thought that because of her reaction in Gongaga. This is understandable, but I think she reacted like that because it threw doubt into Clouds earlier tale
You probably thought that because of her reaction in Gongaga. This is understandable, but I think she reacted like that because it threw doubt into Clouds earlier tale
once again a person that’s wrong sheesh how many times do I have to say this zack is not dead want proof go to the slums and you’ll meet him and later at the junkyard sheesh I hope that shows you guys you’re all wrong!^_^
Couldnt have cloud seen aerith as a good friend also? just like tifa?
Couldnt have cloud seen aerith as a good friend also? just like tifa?
gosh sheesh look at the place I told about and you’ll meet the guy sheesh he has mako poisoning
you really wanna know why cause he left for a journey he should be in the junkyard that’s where I met him also he has the tatoo on his hand and he is not an old man
dude, this is out of hand
this is gonna escalate to world war 3 if you give it year,(i think the gov. has something to do with ac)
Note: the gov. thing is bullshit.
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P.S. TMA how many times are you gonna try to drill the truth to the people, if they don’t get it now they never will.
"They see us as heretics yet we say the same about them, men we’re all assholes here" assasination specialist Cormus before the assasination atemp of Inquistor Gerion (note: he was pissed)
AND YES I’M AN NERD AND INSANE
YOU CAN NOW PUT ME IN AN INSITUTION
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No sayings today folks
There’s really no point in boasting that AC is the truth who the couple will be or who Cloud will end up with if its just from trailers. Reading what Jinchuu said in the other thread, they all are speculations and assumptions as either side can tear the parts they want into their liking. Just how websites and magazines do it, speculating and creating assumptions from one little scene. Each scene is up to your own interpretations. What you see or how you feel about it can be interpreted in so many ways. If you think about it, that is true.
When it comes to Aeris loving Cloud only because of Zack or how Aeris never knew the ‘real’ Cloud, that’s a really narrow minded interpretation. The vital parts were there in the game, I think its just a matter of preference, so you can choose to ignore the vital parts said and done if it doesn’t go with your liking. Aeris did clearly stated that her relationship with Zack was in the past as they weren’t serious. Although Cloud had that "Zack-ness" surrounding him, she didn’t find interest in Cloud because of Zack. Aeris stated in the date scene that Cloud wasn’t Zack. Aeris also knew quite a bit about Cloud because she asked Marlene about him, she talk to Cloud, asking him questions and trying to break down Cloud’s cold exterior that he presented to the world. Cloud was never initially Zack, he had some of his memories confused with Zack. But why wouldn’t he? It was Cloud’s dream to be First Class Soldier, so of course, he would feel ashamed of not making into it. Cloud never did become Zack. If he did, Cloud would be a ladies man, like Aeris said and very outgoing. But Cloud never was. He was very introverted and cold and never acted like Zack. The only ‘Zack’ that Cloud took was the memory of being a First Class Soldier when he wasn’t. So the ‘real’ Cloud was there the whole time, in front of Aeris and everyone, that whole time.
There’s really no point in boasting that AC is the truth who the couple will be or who Cloud will end up with if its just from trailers. Reading what Jinchuu said in the other thread, they all are speculations and assumptions as either side can tear the parts they want into their liking. Just how websites and magazines do it, speculating and creating assumptions from one little scene. Each scene is up to your own interpretations. What you see or how you feel about it can be interpreted in so many ways. If you think about it, that is true.
When it comes to Aeris loving Cloud only because of Zack or how Aeris never knew the ‘real’ Cloud, that’s a really narrow minded interpretation. The vital parts were there in the game, I think its just a matter of preference, so you can choose to ignore the vital parts said and done if it doesn’t go with your liking. Aeris did clearly stated that her relationship with Zack was in the past as they weren’t serious. Although Cloud had that "Zack-ness" surrounding him, she didn’t find interest in Cloud because of Zack. Aeris stated in the date scene that Cloud wasn’t Zack. Aeris also knew quite a bit about Cloud because she asked Marlene about him, she talk to Cloud, asking him questions and trying to break down Cloud’s cold exterior that he presented to the world. Cloud was never initially Zack, he had some of his memories confused with Zack. But why wouldn’t he? It was Cloud’s dream to be First Class Soldier, so of course, he would feel ashamed of not making into it. Cloud never did become Zack. If he did, Cloud would be a ladies man, like Aeris said and very outgoing. But Cloud never was. He was very introverted and cold and never acted like Zack. The only ‘Zack’ that Cloud took was the memory of being a First Class Soldier when he wasn’t. So the ‘real’ Cloud was there the whole time, in front of Aeris and everyone, that whole time.
Like I keep saying zack did not die he was found laying on the ground by some person forget who it was but he saved zack from dying also zack lost his memories and has mako poisoning like cloud did in the game a man that leaves at the place near the church that old barrel zack live there knowing he might find answers later he decides to leave and search for answer the guy near the junkyard is zack also when you first talk to him when you and aeris were together aeris saw a tatoo saying no.1 just like sepiroth a mark for a first class soldier it is believe in the japan version you actually do get him well it’s a rumor but that man was zack for certain remember when aeris said he needs medicine or something cause he’s sick and later he’s gone when you come back
Well, I made a little tip on how to revive Aeris. It’s true. I’m actually serious about this, so don’t mock me.
Cloud Revives Aeris
This is the truth! This CAN happen, and it???s quite simple. But you MUST be on disk 3. Go to the Wall Market and purchase the vitamin drink thing from the hotel. Drink 25 bottles of it. Then decide to go visit Aeris??? watery grave in the City of the Ancients. Once there, Cloud will stare into the lake. You MUST sit your game over the day and it has to have waited there for 24 hours. Once your game clock is 24 hours after you arrived at the lake, Cloud will scream, ???I HAVE TO GO TO THE BATHROOM!??? He will look around and he doesn???t know where to go. In desperate need to relieve himself, he pees in the lake. A strange yellow glow will emit from the lake and Aeris??? body will slowly rise to the top. She jumps out into Cloud???s arms, who hurriedly zips up his pants, and she tells him, ???Cloud! My darling, you have brought me back. I had the choice of staying dead, or, coming back to this world spelling faintly of piss. I choose life, Cloud. And you helped bring that to me!??? They embrace.
Well, I made a little tip on how to revive Aeris. It’s true. I’m actually serious about this, so don’t mock me.
Cloud Revives Aeris
This is the truth! This CAN happen, and it???s quite simple. But you MUST be on disk 3. Go to the Wall Market and purchase the vitamin drink thing from the hotel. Drink 25 bottles of it. Then decide to go visit Aeris??? watery grave in the City of the Ancients. Once there, Cloud will stare into the lake. You MUST sit your game over the day and it has to have waited there for 24 hours. Once your game clock is 24 hours after you arrived at the lake, Cloud will scream, ???I HAVE TO GO TO THE BATHROOM!??? He will look around and he doesn???t know where to go. In desperate need to relieve himself, he pees in the lake. A strange yellow glow will emit from the lake and Aeris??? body will slowly rise to the top. She jumps out into Cloud???s arms, who hurriedly zips up his pants, and she tells him, ???Cloud! My darling, you have brought me back. I had the choice of staying dead, or, coming back to this world spelling faintly of piss. I choose life, Cloud. And you helped bring that to me!??? They embrace.
yes you’re right there was also a rumor in the japan version about that just like caitsith
It seems we will never reach a conclusion…?
Really. Tifa and Cloud go through more 2gether. Whatever. Tifa had a normal life. It was Cloud and Aeris who went through hell. Cloud was the one who was being bullied all the time when he was a kid. Not only that his mom died and his dream was crushed. Aeris parents both died and she was also chased by shrina. Yeah yeah. So Tifa mom died. So what? she was still the most popular girl in her town and she had tons of friends. She didn’t even feel one bit lonely. She wasn’t even the one who was being chase.
your talking like tifa is evil…
It’s more likely she’s selfish.
Listen to aeriscloud,
Jiro,
Either find more evidence to back that up or you just got contradicted by the memory lane scene that Cloud did. You did get that far,right? Go back to the mansion in disk 2 or 3, and you’ll see that what aeriscloud says is right. Just like many other who says that its not Zack. But you say it yourself, its just a rumor. So what is the point of keeping it up and telling other people that they’re wrong if you said it yourself,"well it’s a rumor".
aeriscloud,
Great analysis. And thank you for the comment. Its good to find that you agree with that. Its merely just speculations and assumptions right now, so the boasting that "its evidence" and name calling just show how lame it can get. What some don’t realize that it can be tear apart and interpreted in so many ways, but its really up to that person only. So, there is no right or wrong answer. If they can figure out that magazines do that, they really are no better than the mags.
It’s more likely she’s selfish.
Tifa did feel lonley. It is possible to feel alone in a huge crowd. She longed for love and a different type of attention. Dont you believe she had just as many problems? with sephiroth? her mother? everything?
you pleople yell and argue and fight over nnosense there is another called cloud&tifa true.. it’s all the same. THIS IS ALL FUCKED UP
Tifa and Cloud loving each other for a long time with no visable evidence to back that up is something called,"A little Walk Down Memory Lane", will just rebuttal that out. Try reading the first couple of pages from this thread and not the last. It’s much interesting.
And to those who keep whining and complaining for this thread to close, what’s the point of keep coming in if you’re not going to present an argument to talk about or debate. Either do present something that matches with this thread name or just don’t even post at all.
Tifa and Cloud loving each other for a long time with no visable evidence to back that up is something called,"A little Walk Down Memory Lane", will just rebuttal that out. Try reading the first couple of pages from this thread and not the last. It’s much interesting.
And to those who keep whining and complaining for this thread to close, what’s the point of keep coming in if you’re not going to present an argument to talk about or debate. Either do present something that matches with this thread name or just don’t even post at all.
Very interesting, I must say. When you haven’t even answered my comeback yet. Where is the evidence to back up that Cloud loves Aeris and that they R MEanT 2 Be?111 EXACTLY. Because you don’t have any.
I’ve seen better on this thread…what was it…yes, its because your thread is just so lame, TMA. Oh, nothing but pics and not even a bit of discussion there. And is it even intellectual or thoughtful, no. I seen better with this thread. Why do I need to explain when I don’t have too, go read the first couple of pages and get your answers there. Really, count on me making my comeback and rebuttaling you out…ah, that’s right, you haven’t even ANSWER all of what I ask. You wanted me to try harder…ahh, why should I, when you haven’t even try hard enough to answer the rest. Funny thing is, you do know that you contradicted yourself with your little sig. lines on the bottom with,"Cloud and Aeris belong together because I read it on this one Japanese site that my Japanese friend made." Figure it out as the question is," How long you gonna keep this charade up?"
god is dead,
Thanks for the comment.
Uyoku and Solaris,
Everyone had problems in that game. It wasn’t just one loneliness, but there are many type of loneliness that was presented. The question is: Who had the most burden on them, that overshadows all the other characters?
There’s really no point in boasting that AC is the truth who the couple will be or who Cloud will end up with if its just from trailers. Reading what Jinchuu said in the other thread, they all are speculations and assumptions as either side can tear the parts they want into their liking. Just how websites and magazines do it, speculating and creating assumptions from one little scene. Each scene is up to your own interpretations. What you see or how you feel about it can be interpreted in so many ways. If you think about it, that is true.
When it comes to Aeris loving Cloud only because of Zack or how Aeris never knew the ‘real’ Cloud, that’s a really narrow minded interpretation. The vital parts were there in the game, I think its just a matter of preference, so you can choose to ignore the vital parts said and done if it doesn’t go with your liking. Aeris did clearly stated that her relationship with Zack was in the past as they weren’t serious. Although Cloud had that "Zack-ness" surrounding him, she didn’t find interest in Cloud because of Zack. Aeris stated in the date scene that Cloud wasn’t Zack. Aeris also knew quite a bit about Cloud because she asked Marlene about him, she talk to Cloud, asking him questions and trying to break down Cloud’s cold exterior that he presented to the world. Cloud was never initially Zack, he had some of his memories confused with Zack. But why wouldn’t he? It was Cloud’s dream to be First Class Soldier, so of course, he would feel ashamed of not making into it. Cloud never did become Zack. If he did, Cloud would be a ladies man, like Aeris said and very outgoing. But Cloud never was. He was very introverted and cold and never acted like Zack. The only ‘Zack’ that Cloud took was the memory of being a First Class Soldier when he wasn’t. So the ‘real’ Cloud was there the whole time, in front of Aeris and everyone, that whole time.
Zack did die, and yes, everything you said is true. You put a good point to this relationship.
O.O
LOL!
I’ve seen better on this thread…what was it…yes, its because your thread is just so lame, TMA. Oh, nothing but pics and not even a bit of discussion there. And is it even intellectual or thoughtful, no. I seen better with this thread. Why do I need to explain when I don’t have too, go read the first couple of pages and get your answers there. Really, count on me making my comeback and rebuttaling you out…ah, that’s right, you haven’t even ANSWER all of what I ask. You wanted me to try harder…ahh, why should I, when you haven’t even try hard enough to answer the rest. Funny thing is, you do know that you contradicted yourself with your little sig. lines on the bottom with,"Cloud and Aeris belong together because I read it on this one Japanese site that my Japanese friend made." Figure it out as the question is," How long you gonna keep this charade up?"
god is dead,
Thanks for the comment.
Uyoku and Solaris,
Everyone had problems in that game. It wasn’t just one loneliness, but there are many type of loneliness that was presented. The question is: Who had the most burden on them, that overshadows all the other characters?
Both Aerith and Cloud had the burden that overshadowed everyone, but there is always something on relationships that you should never be with someone who can bring you down further. Tifa may have not been the most optimistic person around but she did her best to keep cloud going after Aerith died. They shared a burden, what else can that say? It still doesnt give enough evidence that Aerith should be with cloud, as it doesnt give enough that Tifa should be with him…
But I still have that thought, that Aerith was a representitive of hope, when Tifa and Cloud were both lost, they found eachother (lifestream, consciusness) and it was through the strength that Aerith provided that they found the love they share.
I couldn’t say it better Solaris, and also, if you read the game manual under Aeris it clearly states that she is "more interested in deepening the love triangle between herself, Cloud and Tifa."
Which I think backs up Solaris’s statement perfectly
SHUT THE FUCK UP
and don’t call ’em gay homo’s or Bitches do you want world war three over Fictional characters because if you do
I’ll kick all you’re fucking asses
And about the porn thing banin i agree that is just plany stupid and gay I mean come on damn those fucking gay homos
I found that out when i was searching for character art Of all the characters
All this talk about WWIII, and looks who’s starting it.You. Little contradiction there when you talk about how its going to turn into a widespread WWIII, but really, no one isn’t starting it,so it points back at you.
And since people like to bring nonsense like hentai into this little thread, it just confirms my statement of how its for pure revenge. Way to back up your fandom with stupidity and desperation.
umm there’s a pervert here? who? well anyways I think shiroi is right but I think it’s because the story wasn’t over yet since there’s advent and stuff well anyways it is uncertain if cloud trully did choose between the two he loved
It’s little miss innocent who contradicts herself each time, no other than TMA herself.
Ah, yes. And if you want to mock that TMA, nice charade you’re pulling there, too bad your acting skills aren’t good.
DOES THAT MEAN THAT I DON’T GET TO DO THAT PLAY?
And move on. You are criticsing people yourself…
So you can’t speak much.
don’t call yourself a mature debater if you ignore what he’s saying. if you feel like you’re repeatting yourself then don’t say anything. just leave.
You’re right I DON’T want to talk about this. At least not here, genious. He’s not supposed to be debating anyhow.
don’t call yourself a mature debater if you ignore what he’s saying. if you feel like you’re repeatting yourself then don’t say anything. just leave.
JUST DIE.
"JUST DIE"- after you
And don’t blame me James, I never started it.
i am now because i didn’t like the way your "wife" had been acting for a long time so i decided to input my own "poison". and i’m insulting you now because you’re only looking at one side when,before you meddled, you should’ve read everything. then you’d know what i’m talking about. so get some sense and lay off. i will stop when you recognise that both sides are wrong.
and not with that "STOP ARGUING BECAUSE IT’S PISSING ME OFF" STUFF
Oh, yes, Cloud1,
And what is there to criticize about TMA, when she basically trampled over everyone’s else reasonings and insulted them. There is so much a difference there. That is what each thread title is for, isn’t it. To debate and/or provide your reasons. But when it get to someone trampling over you with insults, that’s a whole different matter.
And now we’re back to square one of correcting spelling errors. Correct yours before anyone else, TMA.
I would hardly call what I did "trampling." I provided my evidence and I was yelled at and flamed.
Everyone must agree with that, or at least I do.
I would hardly call what I did "trampling." I provided my evidence and I was yelled at and flamed.
yes you were, i admit that. but you flamed and yelled just as much
I would laugh if it didn’t solve this issue. But then, thats why some people want it, so they know who the true couple is.
then I got to a point where everything seemed to (imo) point at Cloud Tifa, with Aeris poking her nose in… then I got to a point where I thought Cloud and Tifa were just great friends and Cloud and Aeris should be the couple.
I am now at the point where I realise that It is just a game, they are a bunch of polygons and it really doesn’t matter.
so now I just try and post logical arguments for both ClouTi and Clorith Fans
but I might write the letter and see what response i get ( I’ll post both my letter and the response I’ff i do decide to write…)
Doubt you’ll get anything. You think your the first person to write a letter to them about this? They won’t reply. Or they won’t tell you what you want to know.
Cloud and Aeris compliment each other’s personalioties so much. Aeris is cheerful and helps Cloud cheer up and Cloud is protective and likes to listen to Aeris. Aerith felt so happy with Cloud. Cloud helped her discover who she was. Aeris helped Cloud bring out his personality. She helped him be playful and have fun. When Cloud is with Aeris, they ahve both serious and fun moments. Aerith is the only person Cloud can really have both fun times and serious times with. During the campfire, Cloud told Aeris, I’m..we’re here for you. Cloud is shy about telling her how he cares, and in the Shinra building, Cloud told her he’d protect her and he lay down by the wall next to her. Before they met, they felt lonely and they helped each other feel loved and accepted. Cloud and Aeris helped each other so much.
it is still going to be exceedingly funny if the movie does not solve anything, or if Cloud rejects them both. Now that would be entertainment.
Well, everyone has their own opinion. You show maturity when you accept someone else’s opinion. ^_^
Yeah, what she said.
You damn Heretic.
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OMG! That is so interesting…a lot more than some things.
"Strife. That’s a word that has followed me all throughout my life as a last name. But now I truly know what it means. Strife is seeing the one you love die in front of you-"
That is the beginning of a quote, where Cloud desrices events that have made him who he is and that is one of the things that was very important to Cloud. Cloud loves Aeris. Cloud declares his love for Aeris.
*shrugs*
Seeing all the hostility TMA has, and the repetitive comments about how Aerith being dead to settle the matter, brings a thought to my head..
even though she remains to be dead, this is just the american version. Originally there’s a quest for bringing Aerith back, but instead we get the troublesom ‘weapons’.
You are weird, man.
Tifa and Cloud are good but I like AerisxCloud better
Yuffie could possibly do better than Aerith, who’s with me?
meh
whatever
It’s CloudxTifa. Aeris is dead. There is no such thing in the japanese version. and even if there was, it does not effect the outcome of the story.
meh
whatever
It’s CloudxTifa. Aeris is dead. There is no such thing in the japanese version. and even if there was, it does not effect the outcome of the story.
Now, now. To each their own, remember Tifa-chan? *pats* Can’t we just like both couples? I read about both of them when it comes to fanfiction.
the only thing i’m saying is that since the makers have never, and most likely will never, explain who the true couple is then there’s going to be people who like something more than another, and there’s no true logical way to eliminate possibilities.. be them dead, or be them of improper personality matching.
one might say that Aeris is for this reason, and others might say that Tifa is for this reason… be that as it may, we don’t know the truth of the story so all we can say is our view on the subject. we can’t force our beliefs onto others, that’s not how this thread was meant to work ^^
That’s what I do…hehe.
And yeah, you’re right. But when there are people who take it too seriously, I’ll gladly debate about it, if that’s how they want it.^^
Not weird just too much time on my hands.
THe pic looks nice
http://www.angelfire.com/stars4/cassie_aijou/anticouple.html
Just because Aeris is dead doesn’t mean anything. Aeris is still alive in Cloud’s memories and in the Lifestream *spoilers* At the end, when he says "I think I’m beginning to understand……The Lifestream, I think we can meet her there", and then Tifa says "Yeah, let’s go meet her". In Advent Children, when Aeris and Cloud are in the flowerfield standing back to back, they are speakng in the Lifestream. And in those quotes I just posted here, it shows how much Tifa really loves Cloud, by letting him make his own love decision. Yeah, maybe he will marry Tifa, because there is no one left, but he can stilll love Aeris as much as he always has
My opinion has been recorded above.
[QUOTE=BizarroSephiroth]You are weird, man.
Not weird just too much time on my hands.
THe pic looks nice
Sorry man, just the way ya typed it made it look like junky stuuf that made no sense lol.
exactly. i have nothing against the tifa/cloud pairing. or any other pairings that don’t see my perspective; which by the way i havn’t divulged.
the only thing i’m saying is that since the makers have never, and most likely will never, explain who the true couple is then there’s going to be people who like something more than another, and there’s no true logical way to eliminate possibilities.. be them dead, or be them of improper personality matching.
one might say that Aeris is for this reason, and others might say that Tifa is for this reason… be that as it may, we don’t know the truth of the story so all we can say is our view on the subject. we can’t force our beliefs onto others, that’s not how this thread was meant to work ^^
Good point, Aserisz
The pic looks nice. ok happy
So cute!!
oh god
*Faint*
meh
whatever
It’s CloudxTifa. Aeris is dead. There is no such thing in the japanese version. and even if there was, it does not effect the outcome of the story.
Just because Aeris is dead deosn’t mean that the character can’t come back to life. Just take Megaman for example. Megaman, Zero and stigma died so many times yet they came back to life. Sephrioth died yet he’s coming back to life. And how can you say their no Japanese version of FF7. If their is no japanese version of FF7 then why is the opening credits a bunch of Japanese names. If your so smart TMA, tell me ,where did FF7 come from?
Is TMA up to her usual Rampage about anti clorith things again?
If she isn’t sry if offended TMA.
Cloud and AERIS ROCKS!
tifa has decent XD boobs and of cos Cloud feel for her !
how can they be brother and sister when they had sex
tifa has decent XD boobs and of cos Cloud feel for her !
And where did this idea came from? The context of the scene is too vague. More likely, there’s no evidence to point to that.
Yes, and I suppose Cloud is a horny person who’ll stack up with Tifa because of her boobs. Boy, these reasons just get lamer each time.
will the madness ever end?!
http://www.geocities.com/finalfantasyviilove3/TNKH.htm
we’ve been over and over this topic and it shall never end. i think the thread has been tired out. someone close it now.
he/she is 4 years younger than me, and I’m the youngest regular here.
besides i live with my brother since my parents died RIGHT after i was born. daddy got cancer and mommy pushed me out too hard.
Ah well as of CC there isn’t a LT anymore.
And the new Ultimania pretty much confirms it anyway.
There is a section in the interview with Nomura/Nojima/Kitase, when Nomura mention a ‘risque’ line from the night under the Highwind scene ("Words aren’t the only way…"), which was done by a man called Katou (who is incharge of doing movie scenes or something).
The original idea, which Kitase rejected, was a lot more extreme. It involved Cloud walking out of the chocobo room on the Highwind, then afterwards Tifa leaves while looking around her.
I would have liked to see people talk their way out of ‘they had sex’ from that. Probably along the lines of "Cloud isn’t the type of guy to take a roll in the chocobo hay! They were just petting the chocobo!" I think the only technique more cliche than ‘nervously leaving the room after someone else’ to hint at sex is like, panning away and fading to black or something. Wait a minute…
ah well end of story and let this thread gather dust 😀
They call me a tomboy cuz I have too muscular body, and I`m always acting like I`m a boy, and what`s wrong with that… If you`re upset, then go to a psychologist or something… Geez…
And I don`t think that Cloud had sex with Aerith… They just don`t have that kind of relationship…
lollin
Besides the master above me (hi master!) you better not talk to me. Me have underage profile but me have impervious body.
besides cloud would never have sex with aerith. aerith hates sex. she justs like kiss.
I don’t believe Aeris and Cloud were lovers. If anything, Aeris served as a big sister to Cloud (she’s at least a year older than him), and her purpose was to help him get over the tragedies he’s had to endure in his life. That’s to say, she tried to help him get on with his life. He cared about Aeris, he loved Aeris, but now that I think about it, I don’t think he loved her like a girlfriend.
Cloud’s real girlfriend is Tifa.
Besides, it’d just be really skanky of Cloud to move in on his dead best friend’s girlfriend! Like, OH…MIGAWD.
Then that means Yuffie is two-timing between Cloud and Vincent! THE SLUT!!
And let’s not forget, Squall was getting it on making hot love with Aeris in the Training Caves of Traverse Town in Kingdom Hearts. Training, indeed!
Well Aeris is a big dyke. I mean look at her boots.
Naw, man! She’s secretly a dominatrix and S&M fan! I mean, she wields a friggin’ ROD for crying out loud! [/sarcasm]
if Aeris is related to cloud, than why did they go on a date at the gold saucer(if you got that version)??? and if they are brother and sister, why would they be dating unless they dont have laws like that prohibited incest relationships in FFVII
Ehh, see? It’s SO not funny, that it’s funny all over again!
Geez, how long can you be discussing that stuff? I`m sure that Cloud NEVER loved Aeris, and I agree with Schwarzer …
Now, is that sarcasm? I can’t tell with you, yet…
No sarcasm… I just agree with you
I do but i don`t like tifa but that doesn`t mean i like aerith i support neither couple but i like aerith more than tifa to me she`s kinda a slut but i do look at it differently but i`ve got my right to my opinion
bullshit prak you belong there and you would like it there to i mean your both full of shit right hahahha
This continues until you either STFU or GTFO.
you guys don’t have nerve do ya? i bet you guys have no IQ points either. lol
I’m sure that most of you are smarter than me, so I think I will whip up some insults so that I feel better. These will be very funny, so be sure to laugh. I know I will.
Have some Captain Crunch! It will bright up your life!
Captain Crunch is the only friend you need!
I won’t stop until you at least give it and its many flavors a second chance.
DOES NOT COMPUTE
I honestly can’t tell if Aerith63 is a joke account or not. If it is, it’s a damn funny one. It it’s not, it’s fucking hilarious.
I love my friends too. Wanna be my friend? Ill come to your place and we’ll do all kinds of crazy stuff, like eating cookies and watching tv!
Thank you for clearing that up. Because I, I was wracking my brain trying to figure it out. I thought I was right, but I wasn’t quite sure. Now that you’ve said it, I can sleep tonight, secure in the knowledge that Tifa and Cloud are the TRUE couple of FFVII.
I’m not usually this mean. I swear. I blame the male ava/banner. Too much testosterone 😮
I would try to change it but I have no real idea what you are saying.
GTSW
(GO TO SLIT WRISTS)
Well go away then.
Serious lol at this entire post, especially:
A BUNCH OF PEOPLE WHO MAKE BAD REMARKS ABOUT SOMEONE WHO IS SCARED! WHO IS FUCKING SCARED OF LIFE!
I am pretty sure I was not this stupid when I was 13. Stupid, yes, but not this stupid.
i will be back to normal but http://www.paulgraham.ca/albums/album101/Emo.sized.gif
agreed?
well obviously i`m doing neither and aerith63 can say what they want you people need to lay off.
but zackary here is GRRRRRRRREAT!
i’m gonna put a pic of me to shut you idiots up
i’ll die if the assholes are still here
THEN PREPARE TO DIE WITH THE WORLD WITHOUT COMPS AND VIDEO GAMES!
I need them even more than the air I breath!
Anyway, Ketchum, stop revealing Cloud`s secrets… He`s all red right now.. Poor kid…
Hello and welcome.
WELCOME TO FFSHRINE FORUMS!
hope you have a great time here!
but beware of prak
Am I the only one bothered by this? I mean, Prak is a huge asshole, I know, but why do people like Aerith only take him into account when there are so many cunts, pricks, assholes and more generally awesome people around?
My theory? His username is shorter and therefore easier and less time-consuming to type.
i laugh every time i see that avatar!!!
its the greatest ever!
You have aids in your ear? Oh, Aerith, I am so sorry. So young and with a faggot pair of ears…
http://www.taibros.net/images/monkey-nerd.jpgMONKEY NERD
that’s right…
I just cackled… maniacally
MONKEY DOESN’T GET IT!
😀
I don’t think you did anything wrong. Though, I’m sure that doesn’t mean other people think the same way.
WRONG THREAD
😀
ya i already kno them and i go 2 school wit ZACKARY FAIR AND SEPHITH they my buddies i shall join u
Yes hello Aerith, I know it’s you.
*fzzzzzzz*
Warning. You are entering a restricted area. Return to where you came from or be destroyed. Repeat. Return to your designated zone or be destroyed.
Message ends.
*fzzzzzzz*
WTH ZACKARY IS MINE! HE WAS MINE.
And I still have contact with him. And he loves a goth?
And I still have contact with him. And he loves a goth?
Please fucking stop this.
Seconded. The fun has been drained out of you a long time ago.
I don’t like that gothchick147 as much. I’m sure you’re much smarter than her.
And we solved this problem. I don’t even know Sephith or zackary fair or gothchick
SINCE WHEN DID I BECOME AERITH67? IT’S 63
Ash Ketchum is my best friend. Btw, are you on the forum Final Fantasy Insider? I found Garamond in it. IS THAT YOU? Then it’s me ~Amelia~ O_o
Please fucking stop this
hahaha thank you for brightening up a crap day, Sobye.
Maybe so but, in case you’d not noticed, the last post before mine was only made a day before. :rolleyes:
Now I am a real sickie
Guess I’ll have to break the news
That I got no mind to lose.
All the girls are in love with me
I’m a teenage lobotomy.
Slugs and snails are after me
DDT keeps me happy
Now I guess I’ll have to tell ’em
That I got no cerebellum.
Gonna get my Ph.D.
I’m a teenage lobotomy.
Hey, you 14-year-old geek. STFU! Damn kiddy!
😀
don’t know who that is is that the other avalanche girl?
AND IT’S ALL I REQUIRE GIRL
AND I’M ASKING OF YOU
YOU KNOW THAT YOUR MOUTH’S WIDE
SO DON’T YOU DENY IT
IF YOU DO I WON’T BUY IT
GIRL WHAT YOU’RE PUTTING ME THROUGH
SO DUMMY UP DUMMY UP DUMMY UP DUMMY UP
I WANT YOU TO DUMMY UP
YOU DON’T STOP DAY BY DAY YOU’RE NOTHING BUT CHATTER
WHAT THE HELL DOES IT MATTER GIRL
YOU’VE GOT NOTHING TO SAY
WHINE WHINE WHINE LIKE JULIO GALLO
IT’S THE PATTER THAT’S SHALLOW GIRL
IT’S THE PRICE THAT YOU PAY
EVERY DAY’S LIKE A FLOOR SHOW
LISTENING TO A TALKING TORSO
ASKING ME TO OPEN WIDE
TAKE IT OUTSIDE
I DON’T WANT TO HEAR YOU – PLEASE DUMMY UP
DON’T WANT TO BE NEAR YOU – PLEASE DUMMY UP
END OF CONVERSATION IS THE SITUATION
IF YOU’LL ONLY DUMMY UP
YOU’VE INCURRED MY WRATH
YOU KNOW YOU SHOULD FEAR IT
BUT YOU DON’T EVEN HEAR IT GIRL
I have a question:
Why is Does Aeris have the name Aerith in soem things aswell?
Why is Does Aeris have the name Aerith in soem things aswell?
Hahaha if you’re asking that question, I think you have more pressing matters to attend to. Like why is your brain not functioning correctly, or why didn’t your mommy use a coat hanger while she still had time, or why oh why that fall you suffered when you were 4 didn’t kill you, instead of just making you retarded.
Ah the unfairness of this world.
Ah the unfairness of this world.
Well you obviously dont to the answer to this question then hmm.
"Hey, I asked a stupid question, can anyone help me?"
"I can, little lady, but I’ll choose to be a fucking prick about it and mock your head off."
"Well then, that means you don’t know the answer neither, so there!"
Look, Aeris is the name given to the character in the West. Her original name is Aerith.
Ah the unfairness of this world.
Or maybe you just need to stop being a cunt?
Granted it was a retarded question yes and anyone who has played final fantasy could answer it. It also does not require cuntishness like that. Just makes you look like a prick and wont get you liked by anyone.
Also Espanha even though technically I just defended him. I agree with your statements 100%
Oh well. *shrugs* Not like I actually care that much.
Oh well. *shrugs* Not like I actually care that much.
Thank you Xandy,
i did hear that that was the reason for that name but i wasn’t sure, i just wanted to find out if it was true thats all really.
Besides FF7 isnt my specialist, i was just curious.
*dont understand why by the end of the threads, posts are often off topic, it really gives me a hard time*
*dont understand why by the end of the threads, posts are often off topic, it really gives me a hard time*
Just because a man and a woman grow up together from childhood doesn’t mean they’re brother/sister like :p. But that’s just my opinion.
I always thought Cloud and Tifa looked more badass than Cloud and Aerith ;).
i’m a girl.:)
http://www.geocities.com/ffviidestiny/Menu.htm.
cool website there, 🙂
can you give them to me? thx so much 🙂
i guess u can put it that way…since the corpse is aeris.O:]
but corspes dont freak cloud out, i think, lol
as long as being with sum1 he loves, nightmares are what he wants to have!!! 🙂
things, including a lover/sweetheart (in a romantic/sexual context; "koibito"
is the Japanese word used here), and Nojima says that when he began writing
the script for Advent Children, the first thing he was sure of being part of
the setting is that Cloud and Tifa were together. That said, Nomura may have
meant that Tifa’s a lover in the same way people will say "I’m a lover, not a
fighter," and Nojima may not have meant "together" in a romantic context. For
the record, I think Tifa’s got this won, but that’s me personally. Let the war
continue!
– Taken from FFVII Ultimania.