Also, FFXI. Why? Because I never get to play it.
that and FF2 kinda blew
laterz
lonewolf
Up until now I haven’t found anyone who shared my sentiments about FFIX. I definately agree that FFIX is the worst, but for a few more reasons. I never really liked the characters, I didn’t like the "medieval" atmosphere that surrounded the whole game, and somehow the way one used Chocobos just seemed out of place.
Also, IMO the worst is FFVII, for reasons I have stated numerous times before.
english voice acting ruined it all and overload of fmv’s made it even worse
Also, IMO the worst is FFVII, for reasons I have stated numerous times before.
its called their reasons hunneh
their reasons
like you have with VII
i hope yr genious chessmasterlike brain can overcome that lil fact =)
or is reality too much of a bitch too handle?
FFII was one i didn’t like :\
I would not say they had dumb reasons for it. But I agree with what you mentioned about recent players having no appreciation with the origins of the series.
I agree that 9 is much more true to the original spirit of the series. It is easily my favourite game.
But I respect other peoples opinions on it, i personally love FFIX. haha
As for the worse one, I would have to say FFX and X-2
Bloody pathetic games. And I have my reasoning.
What I hated the most about it was the horrid voice acting. No feeling whatsoever.
Also, IMO the worst is FFVII, for reasons I have stated numerous times before.
Well, the last time I played it was about 4 years ago, when I was 8. Its possible that that’s the reason. Or mabye different people have differing opinions and tastes?
I think Venom was reffering to the junction system, which I thought was bad because they said "You can max out your characters status points" but I found that it was a tedious process. But hey thats just me. I aint gonna put you guys down, unlike our dearest friend Prak. haha, sorry I could not resist the urge to say that due to previous posts by him.
ah, no, not in this thread. In the other one where you went out of your way to insult me for having my own opinion about the first person element in FFXII.
Notice i said
sorry I could not resist the urge to say that due to previous posts by him.
"due to previous" – I must emphasize on that. So basically I did not actually name a source. You assumed I meant your postings on this thread. But the thing is, I have been reading other posts by you and you have done the same thing. Thats all. I am really not keen to argue with you again on another thread and ruin it. So I will leave it at that.
And also,
Also, you agreed with my assessment of the primary reason, so if I insulted anyone, you indirectly did the same thing.
I did not insult anyone because I explicitly said:
I would not say they had dumb reasons for it
after which I also mentioned just to be safe that I respected other peoples views on it.
FF7 is 2nd or 3rd place, though, depending on how I want to look at it.
In terms of game play, I would say that the 1st couple were crippled by the newness of the genre. They were still getting their feet wet and discovering new things.
I didn’t like 9 as much as the others either though, where I can apperciate the roots, I think character identification was lacking, and the character designs where too childlike to convey messages of love.
X-2 is in my opinion the worst. It takes the characters of a medicore FF hookers them up and gives them an annoying quest to find a boyfriend. It is the worst kind of fan service for the teen age boys with digital hardons. The music was god awful to the point of mute being the only acceptable way of playing it. Also, X-2 broke the mold of there being no direct sequals. So you would think they would have made the game amazing to help breaking one of their self made laws. Not the case apparently.
XI is from what I hear an amazing MMORPG, however, I really wich they kept it out of the series and made it like FF Online. It doesnt follow the pattern of the other games, so therefore it should be on its own. Like the terrbile Mystic Quest and the entertaining Tatics. Personally I can never get into the idea of the MMORPG system. I like being anti-social when I play RPGs. Its my way of escaping mindless idiots. And I’m terribly sure that there are many many stupid people on thos servers. Aside from that, I like to own my games. MMORPG’s are video games that you lease.
Im excited about 12, but I am saddened to see that its going to be less turn based. I was always a fan of that static system.
By agreeing with what I named as a dumb reason some people have for disliking FFIX, you indirectly agreed with the rest of my statement, even if you said you didn’t. :p
Hell, I was even able to get through X-2 without getting bored after 5 minutes, so I would have to say the originals are the worst.
Ah no actually. Maybe you like to think I did.
How can you judge all of them and say they are the worst when you have not even played any?
That may be, but you still retain the throne as King of the Dicks. Also real names are much cooler than anything with a number after it.
HAHAHAHAHA, that was funny.
Anyway blackmage010. I do not get how you can say all of them are the worst when you have not played any.
Its cloud from Kingdom Hearts bro
avatar is the right word. But the Cloud in his avater is from Kingdom Hearts
Eh…if people hate FFVII, then so be it. It’s a fucking awesome game, IMO 😀
The worst?
CC/I/IV.
I have played many, though I did start off with playing VIII, couldnt get the others at the time.
I’ve gone through I/II/IV/V/VI/VII/VIII/IX/X/X-2/TA/CC
Haven’t completed all, but that’s because:
I: It was blatantly boring right from the start
IV: Most of the characters made me cry. Kain was the only one that appealed to me.
CC: Reptetive, samey, had no life to it. X-2 owned that game by miles. =)
I thought you loved CC?
And guy above, don’t spam, post properly.
And guy above, don’t spam, post properly.
Well you are sort of spamming now because you are talking about something that has nothing to do with the topic "The WORST FF ever!!"
As far as i know i was on topic the only thing i said was "Marginly", but i would rather not turn this into an incident an argue with half of you.
It was a great game I thought. I cant complain about it. The music was excellent, the battle system was superb and the story…what can I say? I loved it.
Whatever. And btw Im a she.
I know this is WAY OUT OF TOPIC, but I’m always confused with being a male 🙁
Oh, does anyone here actually hate IV like me?
Well, no, because you pointed out yourself we were spamming on your first post here. So we were not spamming just because you did. Perhaps you should get your facts right.
but X-2 sucked.
Why? Because it was a sequel and most sequel’s are crap? Probably…..
FFX-2 comes in as an optional addendum to FFX. It’s something of a "and here’s what could have happened" deal. If you only play the rquired 48% of the game (yup, over half is optional), you miss out on a lot of the really good, nostalgic moments of the game. It’s a rather emotionally driven and deep game, and, engine-wise, it’s job system is the best yet. I think that Yuna’s story is very engaging and meaningful and that FFX-2 is a worthy addition to the series.
What I actually don’t like about FFX-2 is that its ATB is screwy, and, more importantly, that there is no music from FFX in the game.
As for my pick for worst game: Final Fantasy Tactics (both of them). In the mainstream: FFV. Maybe it’ll be better when I get it for psx…
FFx and x-2 was….pathetic. Its like a cheerleader, only going on good looks alone. Well IMO. And the FFX battles were just fustrating if you wanted to escape. I’m like…"Escape dumb arse escape!! You are in no postion to fight!!" What do they do, change thier mind and get pummelled by a catuar.
Its pretty…but its pretty boring.
PS: I too haven’t tried FFX1….but a bunch of my buddy did…damn them.
Can I assume you’re talking about a dubbed NES ROM? FFII for GBA is one of the two FFs I’m currently playing (that and IX), and I love it. I’m not a fan of the magic system, but eh, I’m flexible (I managed to work with FFVIII’s engine, after all). In the GBA version, anyway, I think that the characters (thanks in part to added dialogue and amazingly redone music) were very well done, and I felt genuinely sad during the… well, the sad parts. I might be blinded by the fact that Leila is one of my favorite characters of the old-school era.
X is just behin it for me. Then who the heck cares
i have not completed 2
6 becuz the second world was 2 hard and X-2 because oof the crappy storyline and the fact that i culd not play it for longer than 20 mins
No but it would be good if you have one man with you in your team
yeah, it only made sense if you understood it already!!!!!! SeeD is very important in the game though
Also, IMO the worst is FFVII, for reasons I have stated numerous times before.
I started the series at VII. I honestly think 9 had more of that raw nostalgia than any of the others put together. VII defined an era that was, new age gaming when it was first released. It was a game that by it’s own ridiculous stylings created something amongst those who were unaware of it’s genre prior. I was one of those people who had never played an FF game in my life before that hit the UK shelves. I loved it, and loved VIII too, but IX.. it blew me away. Forget about realism (which was 8) IX was pure Final Fantasy, back to the old school heights of the earlier games in glorious style.
Anyway.. wittering now…
🙂
Does that mean I have to take him off my ignore list?
X is just behin it for me. Then who the heck cares
I agree, I also state that i can’t even hit 1 with that crap girl.
And you get lost to easy.
lmao
but the worst, i don’t know…
i’m not too fussy…
Also true, i played it at a friend of mine. When i played it i had like Wtf 😐
It is so bad.
So you’re saying that FF9 fails because Zidane is androgynous?
Ive never thought Zidane as a girl when i first saw him. And anyway, how many girls have you actually seen in final fantasy series wearing thief clothes and scraping their ass!
But then I figured out the purpose of it and iy didn’t really bother me.
And I think I am the only one on these forums that would put FFII (SNES)
in their top 3 fav FFs.
IX was good.
Didn’t enjoy VIII too much but I was able to play through it.
VII was a joke.
But I am going to have to say X-2.
Out of the whole series it is the one I regretted getting 100% on that game.
But then I figured out the purpose of it and iy didn’t really bother me.
And I think I am the only one on these forums that would put FFII (SNES)
in their top 3 fav FFs.
IX was good.
Didn’t enjoy VIII too much but I was able to play through it.
VII was a joke.
But I am going to have to say X-2.
Out of the whole series it is the one I regretted getting 100% on that game.
Why regret getting 100 %?
I like the game a lot, altough the storyline isn’t to good.
Back at FF2, I accept to get some Mithril, don’t know where to go and i end up somewhere between strong monster.
I think they should restrict some areas and give more hints where to go.
I’m stuck between these monsters and i can not leave.
Computer games have feelings, nowadays?
What a stupid question. No, it was just a random comment
What was the point of mentioning that in here then?
Like I said, it was just a random comment.
Purpose less xD
RIKKU!!!!!!!!!! SEX MUFFIN
I swear it’s true. Even ask Viper, he knows! Oh thats right he was banned. nvm:)
Anyway. Zidane’s obviously feminine because he’s not packing a ZOMG AWESOMEZ SORD like Sephy, eh? And he’s obviously monkey-ish, when he strikes a decidedly feline-ish pose (that whole thing where his hands are up and he looks like he’s about to pounce on Daggs) about a trillion times during the game.
Anyway. FFIX clearly isn’t the worst of the series–its immediate predecessor is.
Anyway. Zidane’s obviously feminine because he’s not packing a ZOMG AWESOMEZ SORD like Sephy, eh? And he’s obviously monkey-ish, when he strikes a decidedly feline-ish pose (that whole thing where his hands are up and he looks like he’s about to pounce on Daggs) about a trillion times during the game.
Anyway. FFIX clearly isn’t the worst of the series–its immediate predecessor is.
Oh, did I hit a nerve? I really don’t think their was a post where i didn’t insult viper. But I understand if your angry because your little buddy got banned.
And by the way it wasn’t a cheapshot, idiot. It was just a random comment like i said from the start. I just mentioned it because I had just been looking at the "girly men" thread and I forgot to mention his name.
I actually liked FF IX
If i didnt hit a nerve then why are you still whining? Boohoo, i mentioned Zidane in this thread instead of the Girly Men thread. No one cares
And by the way it wasn’t a cheapshot, idiot. It was just a random comment like i said from the start. I just mentioned it because I had just been looking at the "girly men" thread and I forgot to mention his name.
Oh God, thank you to whoever banned this idiot; he was really starting to annoy me.
I never got futher then thunder, fire and water, that much SHIT was the game
At any rate, I couldn’t get into FFII. I just couldn’t get into the levelling system–I would fault myself for lack of patience/whatever before faulting the game, though.
I, however, do say that FFVIII is the worst of the series, followed by FFVII.
Also, haha @ Pompus. Not before time.
when did voldemort get involved?
But you like FFVIII’s characters because they represent typical schoolgoers? Contradicting much? Anyway, I didn’t like FFX, either. It’s crappiness is what made me NOT play FFX-2 for the longest time. Prak convinced me to try it, and I quite liked it. Yuna’s development is quite interesting, and the story as a whole is lighthearted–a definite plus. I’ve extolled X-2’s battle system and dressphere/garment grid system enough on these forums–I shouldn’t have to do it again.
Most of the FFVIII characters are taken straight out of a show like Dawson’s Creek, imo.
That’s a ridiculous arguement. I’d like to see typical teens as teachers, or wielding gunblades, or y’know, running the entire place. I’d also like to know how Tidus or the Gullwings are somehow atypical, especially in comparison to Squall and company.
Well that was hard to read because of the horrendous grammar but I think I grasped the general idea ,so, how could you form the best FF from a mixture of X and X-2, not likely. Also, I didn’t find a problem with the sphere grid.
EDIT: 400 posts, woo hoo!
No it isn’t, you’ll get as many hours out of it trying to get 100% as you would any other FF.
and you only got three characters
The combat system is such, that any more then 3 characters would be totally pointless.
but the fighting style was bar none the best
At least you have a modicum of sense, you are quite right here.
i just hated the story but it was still enjoyable.
Fair enough, not everyone enjoys the kind of story X-2 has to offer, but at least your not saying some shite like it was bad or it didn’t have a story.
but X lost alot of points with that damn sphere grid if you put ffX-2’s fighting syle with X’s story you would have the best FF ever
Better then 6 or 9? Doubtful.
Nothing compared to VII VIII and X
Nothing compared to VII VIII and X
Oh man, cunt sighting on the horizon. Avoid at all costs.
Nothing compared to VII VIII and X
Actually, if they were lesbians, the game would be 200% better. <3
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Agreed. :3
Nothing compared to VII VIII and X
No comment.
That has pretty much nothing to do with the topic at hand, to be perfectly honest.
it’s not unusual that pupils from military schools have access to weapons, is it?
Possibly not, but it is unusual for a student to run the school, to say the least.
Ring a bell?
no need to get annoyed…the basic fact is I felt more connected to the ppl in VIII, not that it is a FACT…it’s a discussion, after all
Call me angst -filled or whatever (not emo, i hate that shit), but i like a darker or more unusual storyline
I would hardly call dark unusual anymore. Not that FFVIII’s story was unusual in any way. At any rate…
the basic fact is I felt more connected to the ppl in VIII, not that it is a FACT…it’s a discussion, after all
So because you "felt more connected" to FFVIII’s characters (probably due to their cookie-cutter nature), FFVIII isn’t the worst FF? Even though it’s inferior to most (if not all) of the other FF’s in pretty much all aspects that matter?
well take a pen, and draw out 4-5 chars to YOUR liking then, see how easy that is. followed by a script that can satisfy you
also, name what matters in a game…isn’t it in the first place to ENJOY it?
Inferior? i think not…
Lastly, the first thread asked what YOU thought to be the best…didn’t it?
I liked VIII best, is that ok for you?
Inferior? i think not…
In an RPG, what matters would be the story and the gameplay. FFVIII’s gameplay was awful because the battle system as a whole was hopelessly broken. Broken even worse than FFVII’s and FFX’s, which says something. As for the story, it was boring, with flat characters and crap development, not to mention the "twist"…I feel like I’m repeating myself–go read the stand/fall thread in the FFVIII forum.
Inferior? i think not…
That argument sure is a winner. Enlighten me, then.
Lastly, the first thread asked what YOU thought to be the best…didn’t it?
The title of this thread is "The WORST FF ever!!" Best and worst have opposite meanings, last time I checked.
well take a pen, and draw out 4-5 chars to YOUR liking then, see how easy that is. followed by a script that can satisfy you
You’re trying that trick on somebody who’s been role-playing for about seven years? Good one. Nevermind the fact that it has nothing to do with the discussion at hand.
I liked VIII best, is that ok for you?
Hey, you’re entitled to your opinion, but if you post it on this forum, chances are, it’ll be challenged. If that upsets you, then I don’t know what to tell you.
Anyway, off to work for me. Yay Wal-Mart! Squiggly!!
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Okay, "shouting FFX-2 was shite!" isn’t really going to get you anywhere in a discussion, especially since good reasons why it wasn’t the worst have already been brought up.
So two simple questions: one, why was FFX-2 bad? And two, why ws FFI bad? I thought them both quite good, especially in comparison to duds like FFVIII.
I hope Prak wont read this post!
Btw ff6 is probably in the top 3 best ffs
Plus the fact that responding to such a moron would kill brain cells from your own.
Maybe you should clear up your horrible grammar before consulting the great wisdom of Sir Prak?
It’s not just him, but myself as well. Frankly, I’m sure neither of us don’t want to waste our breath on someone like you.
Sorry, this isn’t a pop quiz thread to see who knows more about the game. We are discussing which is the worst in the series, not who has the greater knowledge. I used that word in the context that Prak, and certainly myself, are going to show you what’s bad about the game.
The worst is ff X-2 it was shite!!….nd ya i supose that 1 nd 2 r crap 2 !! And iv neva played the one for the computer
Nd i hated ffx-2 coz its about lebos nd i finished it in about a day!!
Nd i hated ffx-2 coz its about lebos nd i finished it in about a day!!
How will we ever compete against that astonishingly good arguement!?
Nd i hated ffx-2 coz its about lebos nd i finished it in about a day!!
Homophobe!
I think trent makes an excellent point.
Reasons?
2. Lowsy ending.
3. Nothing original or intriguing.
4. Completely pop-oriented and meant for horny young boys (Rikku’s clothing, the Hot Spring scene, the massage of Lablanc)
5. The ending. Again. Because the "perfect" ending ruins the only good thing about FFX’s ending in that Tidus was forever gone.
6. The pathetic incestual gimmick of Brother’s.
7. Every other reason everyone else listed
1. Lowsy story.
That one will take some backing up. It doesn’t stand as is, but you get a chance to justify it before it gets written off.
2. Lowsy ending.
Same as above, although it holds much less credibility.
3. Nothing original or intriguing.
Originality is not a requisite of quality, whether you’re correct or not. You’re not exactly very clear about what you mean by "intriguing," so it’s hard to view that with any credulity.
4. Completely pop-oriented and meant for horny young boys (Rikku’s clothing, the Hot Spring scene, the massage of Lablanc)
Being pop-oriented does not affect quality. The rest of that doesn’t even deserve a reply.
5. The ending. Again. Because the "perfect" ending ruins the only good thing about FFX’s ending in that Tidus was forever gone.
So you’re saying the game was bad because you disliked Tidus and don’t like the fact that he came back? Fail.
6. The pathetic incestual gimmick of Brother’s.
You’re really reaching. Fail.
7. Every other reason everyone else listed
Again, utter fail. As has been shown numerous times before, the vast majority of people who dislike the game have retarded reasons for it, and NONE of them have ever been able to show that the game was actually lacking in quality.
2. Lowsy ending.
3. Nothing original or intriguing.
4. Completely pop-oriented and meant for horny young boys (Rikku’s clothing, the Hot Spring scene, the massage of Lablanc)
5. The ending. Again. Because the "perfect" ending ruins the only good thing about FFX’s ending in that Tidus was forever gone.
6. The pathetic incestual gimmick of Brother’s.
7. Every other reason everyone else listed
Agreed
Girl looking for boy. Boy turns out to be ancient version of girl’s love. This leads to secret giant machina hidden beneath Bevelle. Destroy machina. That’s it. That’s all there is to the stroy. Yuna wanted Tidus but it turned out not to be him but some pissed-off undead guy who plans to use a giant techno-horrot to vapirize all humanity. How original! How inspired! "Humanity is all evil. KILL KILL KILL!!"
Originality is not a requisite of quality, whether you’re correct or not. You’re not exactly very clear about what you mean by "intriguing," so it’s hard to view that with any credulity.
Yes, it is. I won’t play a game and enjoy if it doesn’t exactly interest me. What did the game have that was all that amazing? Subpar voice-acting, a completely kiddish atmosphere they attempted to blend in with darker aspects (which failed) and generally, nothing new. It’s like a Mario game. Find the Princess and beat Bowser. Yuna wants to find Tidus and they attempt to evolve that into a full-fledged story involving a massive weapon that for some amazing reason has NOT been used once since its creation and now is being hijacked by an undead spirit who JUST NOW decides to destroy everything. Wow…
Being pop-oriented does not affect quality. The rest of that doesn’t even deserve a reply.
Because you can’t defend it. Those are undeniable facts. The game was not meant for anything but to bastardize FFX’s story by appealing ONLY to non-gamers. Tell me a true gamer who picked this up, played through it and was thoroughly impressed. Not a one. The scenes I listed are only a couple obvious signs of how the game angled towards getting little boys hard in their pants. Add that with Rikku’s one dressphere where her ass is hanging out.
So you’re saying the game was bad because you disliked Tidus and don’t like the fact that he came back? Fail.
Not in the slightest, actually. If you had any brains my fellow, you would see that all of FFX worked up to Tidus fading. It ended with Tidus ceasing to exist because of the Fayth vanishing and the dream ending. Then they completely swing this around jus tto provide a ludicrous and unexplained "happy ending." Yes, fail, but on their part. It completely fucked over FFX’s ending and that’s a firm fact.
You’re really reaching. Fail..
Not really. Only in your narrow view do I fail. I don’t think anyone found Brother lusting for Yuna amusing as much as sad. Sad at the worthless attempt at comedy. "OOh. Brother groans when Yuna walks on his crotch and he’s lying down!! HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA!!!"
Again, utter fail. As has been shown numerous times before, the vast majority of people who dislike the game have retarded reasons for it, and NONE of them have ever been able to show that the game was actually lacking in quality.
The facts are evident. If you’re blind and mentally impaired enough to miss them, then that’s not exactly my problem. Get over it. The game lacked in everything from musical score to plot to voice-acting and finally to replayability. I’ll never touch this game again.
Girl looking for boy. Boy turns out to be ancient version of girl’s love. This leads to secret giant machina hidden beneath Bevelle. Destroy machina. That’s it. That’s all there is to the stroy. Yuna wanted Tidus but it turned out not to be him but some pissed-off undead guy who plans to use a giant techno-horrot to vapirize all humanity. How original! How inspired! "Humanity is all evil. KILL KILL KILL!!"
Oh look. The old "hyper-condense the story and hope no one sees through it" trick. I can do the same thing to FFX.
Boy gets taken from home by monster. Boy meets girl. Boy and girl save world from evil monster and bad religion. Boy dies.
It’s pretty much equal to what you said. It’s rather inaccurate because all the nuances are cut out, which is exactly how your statement looks.
Yes, it is. I won’t play a game and enjoy if it doesn’t exactly interest me. What did the game have that was all that amazing? Subpar voice-acting, a completely kiddish atmosphere they attempted to blend in with darker aspects (which failed) and generally, nothing new. It’s like a Mario game. Find the Princess and beat Bowser. Yuna wants to find Tidus and they attempt to evolve that into a full-fledged story involving a massive weapo that for some amazing reason has NOT been used once since its creation and now is being hijacked by an undead spirit who JUST NOW decides to destroy everything. Wow…
The voice acting was no worse than FFX’s. Shall we work our way down the chain of pointing out such flaws in each game along the chain until we finally have to decide that the entire series is utter shit?
The "kiddish" atmosphere you talk about is perfectly in keeping with the events of the previous game. It is also historically accurate, as it is known that civilizations typically go on a bit of a high after emerging victorious from a period of conflict. Look at 1950’s America for an example. Even though the political undercurrents were pretty dire, the nation put on a happy face and played innocent.
Your gripes about Vegnagun not being used and Shuyin waiting so long to hijack were perfectly explained in the game. I’ll recap for you. Vegnagun could not be used for fear of it going out of control and destroying the world. It could not be destroyed because it would get defensive and go on a rampage if someone tried. I forget what was up with Shuyin, and I hope someone else will fill in the blank, but I was thinking the same thing as I played the game and remember being appeased with a good explanation for it.
Because you can’t defend it. Those are undeniable facts. The game was not meant for anything but to bastardize FFX’s story by appealing ONLY to non-gamers. Tell me a true gamer who picked this up, played through it and was thoroughly impressed. Not a one. The scenes I listed are only a couple obvious signs of how the game angled towards getting little boys hard in their pants. Add that with Rikku’s one dressphere where her ass is hanging out.
Are you implying that I am not a true gamer? I picked it up. I played through it. I enjoyed it thoroughly. The only way your point stands is if you say so, but if you do, you’re revealed to be a total fool. Time to concede this one?
Also, any kid who gets aroused by scenes like that is pathetic, especially in regards to the massage scene, which was there for purely comedic/ironic value.
Not in the slightest, actually. If you had any brains my fellow, you would see that all of FFX worked up to Tidus fading. It ended with Tidus ceasing to exist because of the Fayth vanishing and the dream ending. Then they completely swing this around jus tto provide a ludicrous and unexplained "happy ending." Yes, fail, but on their part. It completely fucked over FFX’s ending and that’s a firm fact.
Uh oh. Personal attack. Dispensation of civility is hereby authorized. Have a nice day and die horribly, you miserable cunt.
What do you have against happy endings anyway? It’s not like it went totally unexplained or anything?
Not really. Only in your narrow view do I fail. I don’t think anyone found Brother lusting for Yuna amusing as much as sad. Sad at the worthless attempt at comedy. "OOh. Brother groans when Yuna walks on his crotch and he’s lying down!! HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA!!!"
You fail because that is ultimately insignificant as it comprises an infinitesimally small part of the game. And yeah, it was supposed to be sad. It was supposed to be amusingly sad though. Sorry if you couldn’t see the humor, but you were determined not to like it by that point anyway, I’m sure, so you haven’t proven anything.
The facts are evident. If you’re blind and mentally impaired enough to miss them, then that’s not exactly my problem. Get over it. The game lacked in everything from musical score to plot to voice-acting and finally to replayability. I’ll never touch this game again.
Voice acting has been covered.
The music in the game has generally been well-received. Your dislike of it does not change that fact.
It has more replayability than any other FF title due to its branching story paths. It is impossible to see everything in the game in a single playthrough. Hell, you wouldn’t see everything if you played through it five times because of the number of outcomes a couple of events have. You would be a fool to pursue this line of debate.
*gasp*
Still have to say Anti Existence won that arguement. That’s why everyone gave FF X high scores and FF X-2 mediocre scores.
The "kiddish" atmosphere you talk about is perfectly in keeping with the events of the previous game. It is also historically accurate, as it is known that civilizations typically go on a bit of a high after emerging victorious from a period of conflict. Look at 1950’s America for an example. Even though the political undercurrents were pretty dire, the nation put on a happy face and played innocent.
Your gripes about Vegnagun not being used and Shuyin waiting so long to hijack were perfectly explained in the game. I’ll recap for you. Vegnagun could not be used for fear of it going out of control and destroying the world. It could not be destroyed because it would get defensive and go on a rampage if someone tried. I forget what was up with Shuyin, and I hope someone else will fill in the blank, but I was thinking the same thing as I played the game and remember being appeased with a good explanation for it.
He tried to use Vegnagun to destroy sin so the summoner that he was guarding wouldn’t die thus ending Sin’s cycle. Although it’s validated i’m still wondering how can he even exist?
Uh oh. Personal attack. Dispensation of civility is hereby authorized. Have a nice day and die horribly, you miserable cunt.
What do you have against happy endings anyway? It’s not like it went totally unexplained or anything? Actuallty it wasn’t the faeths are gone Tidus is a dream of the faeths why is he back and omfg is there gonna be an ffx-3.
IGN: 9.5 out of 10
Official Playstation Magazine: 5 out of 5
Gamepro: 4.5 out of 5
Gamespot: 8.1 out of 10
Electronic Gaming Monthly: 9.17 out of 10
Game Informer: 8.75 out of 10
1up.com: 9.0 out of 10
Reviews from these and many other major publications seem to disprove you there.
FF 2 and 9 were pretty bad to me….
2 was a lil anoyin to play and 9 was just boring
I sense some vibes of anger coming from you.
Wow very compelling arguement, You can’t say it’s the worst if it never even came out yet.
hehe…
i have play it…
it’s the best ff ever…
FF 2 and 9 were pretty bad to me….
2 was a lil anoyin to play and 9 was just boring
We’ve got a winner folks!
Second would be FF VIII. The game had a good storyline/graphics/sound, but the gameplay was such a letdown that I wasn’t compelled to finish it. I beat the whole game using basically nothing but summons.
Second would be FF VIII. The game had a good storyline/graphics/sound, but the gameplay was such a letdown that I wasn’t compelled to finish it. I beat the whole game using basically nothing but summons.
I will give you that the game was easy the first time I played it I beat the whole things with GFs and then I replayed it magic and and attacks only it kind of made it more enjoyable, but that’s just me. Actually The first time I played the game I didn’t know what the GF commad did until 2nd disk when I was getting my ass beat by robots that did meltdown.
I think that’s about the 953’rd time I’ve heard that one. Hasn’t that been addressed at least twice in this thread?
Now its the 954th
Okay, here is my non-argumentative and completely accurate view on the matter.
The main story path is rather short. You could probably finish it in 10 hours if you pushed a bit. However, the main path accounts for a relatively small portion of the game. There is so much optional content that you will easily get as much out of X-2 as any other game in the series if you try for it all.
The story itself is based mostly around characters and revisiting the world to see how it’s changed. The conflict isn’t particularly epic and the villain isn’t very threatening. The game’s tone is extremely happy-go-lucky. That’s not to say anything is wrong with that. In fact, I’d go so far as to call it uplifting even.
All in all, it’s a very good package unless you’re a whiny teenager who has to see a heavy dose of angst in his games and hates anything with bright colors out of some retarded fear of being associated with anything immature people might see as childish.
But see other than Auron I really didn’t give a rats ass about characters or the linear world. So I really didn’t care what happened to FF X’s mediocre world. I have no problem with lighthearted stories as KH 1/2 are my favorite games. I myself am not big on pointless sidemissions. If anything about the story that I cared for would be what happened to Tidus. As I said, liking this game is all opinion.
You know, i’ve come up against this arguement(and I use that term loosely) about 20 times on this forum.
‘Usual well developed characters’
Like Tifa? About as much depth and personality as a rockpool.
Like Barrett? Stereotypical black man.
Like Cid? Old man with a dream? How cliche!
As for the 3 annoying girls that dress like whores? That isn’t an arguement against the game, that’s an arguement against your hormones. Come back with a proper arguement against some of the other, much more important elements of the game. Like the clever dressphere system, the superb battle system, and the fact the game ties up the loose ends rather nicely.
‘Usual well developed characters’
Like Tifa? About as much depth and personality as a rockpool.
Like Barrett? Stereotypical black man.
Like Cid? Old man with a dream? How cliche!
As for the 3 annoying girls that dress like whores? That isn’t an arguement against the game, that’s an arguement against your hormones. Come back with a proper arguement against some of the other, much more important elements of the game. Like the clever dressphere system, the superb battle system, and the fact the game ties up the loose ends rather nicely.
I see you don’t fancy FF VII that much eh? Or maybe the hype over the game just pisses you off. Tifa I really didn’t care too much for. Barret was pretty likeable. I did think he had a little more than the "stereotypical black man". Cid was one of my personal favorites and if you can only get "Old man with a dream" out of him, I suggest you go back and play FF VII, KH 1/2.
I’ll give you the reasons why I personaly didn’t like Rikku, Yuna, or Paine.
Yuna- Low self esteem defined her in X. If I wanted to see people like hear i’d look at my highschool.
Rikku- She was kind of "cute" at times, but other times she just got incredibly annoying.
Paine- No offense to Paine, but i just hate goth people.
Enix gets a bright idea! They could also dress them all like whores for those horny hentai fanatics. I rarely meet people who actually don’t use "ZOMFZ RIKKU IS HOTT!!" as a reason of why X-2 is good.
I didn’t really have anything against the rest of the game, but every other Final Fantasy I have played has had excellent voiceacting, gameplay, character design, story, and graphics. Why would I want to get a game where I dislike 2 of the 5 things i mentioned. Second, if I wasn’t impressed with FF X all that much, why would I want to get it’s sequel which isn’t even as good as X.
Errr, no.
Tifa I really didn’t care too much for. Barret was pretty likeable. I did think he had a little more than the "stereotypical black man". Cid was one of my personal favorites and if you can only get "Old man with a dream" out of him, I suggest you go back and play FF VII, KH 1/2.
What more did you get out of Cid then?
Yuna- Low self esteem defined her in X. If I wanted to see people like hear i’d look at my highschool.
What does that have to do with her character in X-2? People change you know.
Rikku- She was kind of "cute" at times, but other times she just got incredibly annoying.
Fail.
Paine- No offense to Paine, but i just hate goth people.
Apart from her apperance, in what way was Paine goth?
Enix gets a bright idea! They could also dress them all like whores for those horny hentai fanatics. I rarely meet people who actually don’t use "ZOMFZ RIKKU IS HOTT!!" as a reason of why X-2 is good.
That’s nice, but what does it have to do with anything?
"err, no" to what. Their were two different sentences in that quote. Being vague doesn’t get you anywhere.
What more did you get out of Cid then?
Considering all your descriptions were vague and for the most part wrong, I don’t see where that leaves you any room to judge my little one sentence descriptions.
*sigh*
Please play Kingdom Hearts 2 as I don’t recall Cid mentioning his "dream" at all in that game. When you look past your shallow description you will see what I mean.
What does that have to do with her character in X-2? People change you know.
Frankly I was’t interested enough to find out
Fail.
Another vague comment.
"Like Tifa? About as much depth and personality as a rockpool." Fail.
"Like Barrett? Stereotypical black man." Fail.
"Like Cid? Old man with a dream? How cliche!" Fail
I can be vague with my reasoning too.
That’s nice, but what does it have to do with anything?
Do me a favor and read the title of the thread.
That was one of the reasons I thought FF X-2 was the "WORST FF game ever!!!"
Yes, and my response was no to both of them. Not exactly rocket science.
"Considering all your descriptions were vague and for the most part wrong, I don’t see where that leaves you any room to judge my little one sentence descriptions.
‘For the most part wrong’ I love how you take the high ground, yet do not at all explain how i’m wrong. Nicely done. :rolleyes:
Please play Kingdom Hearts 2 as I don’t recall Cid mentioning his "dream" at all in that game. When you look past your shallow description you will see what I mean.
Cid: Wow! Not bad for a kid. Alright then, I’ll explain it to you. You
know Shinra developed a lot of technological gadgets during the
meaningless war, right? Now it’s a Mako company, but in the old days it
was a weapons manufacturer. Well, they came up with a Rocket Engine.
There was so much experiment about the thought of going into outer
space. Our dreams got bigger and bigger. They put a major budget into it and made prototype after prototype! Finally, they completed Shinra
No. 26. They chose the best pilot in Shinra– no, in the world– me. I
mean, come on. And finally we get to the day of the launch. Everything
was goin’ well… But, because of that dumb-ass Shera, the launch got
messed up. That’s why they become so anal! And so, Shinra mixed their
outer space exploration plans. After they told me how the future was
Space Exploration and got my damn hopes up… DAMN THEM! Then, it was
all over once they found out Mako energy was profitable. They didn’t
even so much as look at space exploration. Money, moola, dinero! My
dream was just a financial number for them! Look at this rusted Rocket. I was supposed to be the first man in space with this. Everyday, it
tilts a little bit more. At this rate, I don’t know which will come
first, this thing falling down or me gettin’ outta here. My last hope
is to talk to the President…
Shera: No… It’s because of my stupid mistake. I was the one who
destroyed his dream…
Crew 1: Captain! Our dreams are finally coming true!
Cid: Oh man, the moon… outer space… my dreams…
Shera: He pushed the Emergency Shut Down switch, aborting the mission,
to save my life. After that, the Space Program was cut back and launch
was canceled. It’s my fault his dream was destroyed… That’s why…
it’s all right. I don’t care what the Captain says, I’ll live my life
for him.
You were saying?
Frankly I was’t interested enough to find out
How in the name of all thats holy, are you qualified to comment properly on a game or a character, you don’t know 100% then?
I can be vague with my reasoning too.
What reasoning is that the? Oh yes, you don’t like X-2 because the girls dress like whores! Superb reasoning. Why don’t you look at the core elements of the game, rather then the superfolous ones when you decide to bash a game.
– Considering you automatically harass anyone who regards FF VII as a good game.
– When I brought up characters I didn’t like you automatically brought up a list of all FF VII characters that you assumed I’d like even though no where I stated I did like FF VII.
– Read some of your past past posts on the FF VII threads and basically all of them were either insulting someone for liking FF VII or insulting FF VII itself
‘For the most part wrong’ I love how you take the high ground, yet do not at all explain how i’m wrong. Nicely done. :rolleyes:
It’s kind of hard to post reply’s when all of your comments were vague. But thanks for that, I’ll just ignore them from now on.
Cid: Wow! Not bad for a kid. Alright then, I’ll explain it to you. You
know Shinra developed a lot of technological gadgets during the
meaningless war, right? Now it’s a Mako company, but in the old days it
was a weapons manufacturer. Well, they came up with a Rocket Engine.
There was so much experiment about the thought of going into outer
space. Our dreams got bigger and bigger. They put a major budget into it and made prototype after prototype! Finally, they completed Shinra
No. 26. They chose the best pilot in Shinra– no, in the world– me. I
mean, come on. And finally we get to the day of the launch. Everything
was goin’ well… But, because of that dumb-ass Shera, the launch got
messed up. That’s why they become so anal! And so, Shinra mixed their
outer space exploration plans. After they told me how the future was
Space Exploration and got my damn hopes up… DAMN THEM! Then, it was
all over once they found out Mako energy was profitable. They didn’t
even so much as look at space exploration. Money, moola, dinero! My
dream was just a financial number for them! Look at this rusted Rocket. I was supposed to be the first man in space with this. Everyday, it
tilts a little bit more. At this rate, I don’t know which will come
first, this thing falling down or me gettin’ outta here. My last hope
is to talk to the President…
Shera: No… It’s because of my stupid mistake. I was the one who
destroyed his dream…
Crew 1: Captain! Our dreams are finally coming true!
Cid: Oh man, the moon… outer space… my dreams…
Shera: He pushed the Emergency Shut Down switch, aborting the mission,
to save my life. After that, the Space Program was cut back and launch
was canceled. It’s my fault his dream was destroyed… That’s why…
it’s all right. I don’t care what the Captain says, I’ll live my life
for him.
You were saying?
Thanks for taking the time to write that for me 🙂
"Please play Kingdom Hearts 2 as I don’t recall Cid mentioning his "dream" at all in that game. When you look past your shallow description you will see what I mean"
Too bad I said from KH 2, not FF VII.
"Cid was one of my personal favorites and if you can only get "Old man with a dream" out of him, I suggest you go back and play FF VII, KH 1/2"
I never denyed the fact that he had a dream. I was implying their was more to him which brings me back to KH 2.
How in the name of all thats holy, are you qualified to comment properly on a game or a character, you don’t know 100% then?
I was judging a book by its cover as I’ve seen you do to many people who support FF VII.
What reasoning is that the? Oh yes, you don’t like X-2 because the girls dress like whores! Superb reasoning. Why don’t you look at the core elements of the game, rather then the superfolous ones when you decide to bash a game.
*sigh*
I’m not going to even bother to answer that as it has already been answered.
Wrong, I have nothing against people liking the game, I like it myself, it’s good for a bit of mindless fun. My problem is people hailing it as the greatest game ever and shit like that.
– When I brought up characters I didn’t like you automatically brought up a list of all FF VII characters that you assumed I’d like even though no where I stated I did like FF VII
I didn’t assume anything bucko, I merely pointed out that FF7 characters are nothing special either.
Read some of your past past posts on the FF VII threads and basically all of them were either insulting someone for liking FF VII or insulting FF VII itself
Ftr, most of my insults are tongue-in-cheek are no really malice is intended.
It’s kind of hard to post reply’s when all of your comments were vague. But thanks for that, I’ll just ignore them from now on
You do that. I stopped taking you seriously a long time ago.
Thanks for taking the time to write that for me 🙂
I copied and pasted it, jftr.
"Please play Kingdom Hearts 2 as I don’t recall Cid mentioning his "dream" at all in that game. When you look past your shallow description you will see what I mean"
Too bad I said quotes from KH 2, not FF VII.
"Cid was one of my personal favorites and if you can only get "Old man with a dream" out of him, I suggest you go back and play FF VII, KH 1/2"
I never denyed the fact that he had a dream. I was implying their was more to him what brings me back to KH 2.
So, your saying you never said Cid from FFVII? Way to contradict yourself.
I was judging a book by its cover as I’ve seen you do to many people who support FF VII.
Why don’t you go back and read some of the inane rubbish some of the ff7 fanboys on here post? Also, you make it sound like i’m the only person that does it on here. Which I am clearly not.
I’m not going to even bother to answer that as it has already been answered.
Yeah, you did a great job there. Again I ask you to look at the core elements of the game and come up with good reasons why it’s bad. That’ll be 3 times i’ve asked you now.
"I see you don’t fancy FF VII that much eh? Or maybe the hype over the game just pisses you off."
Right, just what I said from the start
I didn’t assume anything bucko, I merely pointed out that FF7 characters are nothing special either.
But how did you know i’d like FF VII? I never told you.
I copied and pasted it, jftr.
Then i take that compliment back
So, your saying you never said Cid from FFVII? Way to contradict yourself.
If you want to get technical, you were actually replying to this quote and no where did I mention FF VII.
"Please play Kingdom Hearts 2 as I don’t recall Cid mentioning his "dream" at all in that game. When you look past your shallow description you will see what I mean"
You can still see his personality in FF VII, I just used KH 2 as an example because I didn’t feel like typing out all the traits I like about Cid.
Why don’t you go back and read some of the inane rubbish some of the ff7 fanboys on here post? Also, you make it sound like i’m the only person that does it on here. Which I am clearly not.
I did go back and read them and they went something like this…
ZOMFGZ SEPHY IS AWWWESOME!!!11!
But I also saw people who actually didn’t say that and you still harassed.
Your not the only person. You’ve got Prak and Cyan to help you too.
Yeah, you did a great job there. Again I ask you to look at the core elements of the game and come up with good reasons why it’s bad. That’ll be 3 times i’ve asked you now.
Reasons why I liked X-2 less than the others ive played.
"I didn’t really have anything against the rest of the game, but every other Final Fantasy I have played has had excellent voiceacting, gameplay, character design, story, and graphics. Why would I want to get a game where I dislike 2 of the 5 things i mentioned. Second, if I wasn’t impressed with FF X all that much, why would I want to get it’s sequel which isn’t even as good as X."
Being worse doesn’t make it a bad game, the other games were just better.
You do that. I stopped taking you seriously a long time ago.
A long time ago? Of course since ive only been here for about a day or 2. And thats why you wrote me a long reply at 2am today? Well I really don’t feel like educating a hopeless cause so I think the convo ends here.
Right, just what I said from the start.
No, wrong again. Hype about it doesn’t bother me, morons calling it the best game ever does. Learn to differentiate. Like I have said, I like it myself, that doesn’t mean I think it’s any good. I am quite fond of watching terrible, but entertaining films(Predator 2 and the likes).
But how did you know i’d like FF VII? I never told you.
1st would be FF X-2 just for it’s incredibly annoying characters and it’s unlikeable story. It felt like Enix kind of thought they could slip past the gamers by replacing their usual well developed characters (VII, FFT, some of X, etc.) with 3 annoying girls that dress like whores.
The fact that you mentioned FFVII in that context would imply that you did.
If you want to get technical, you were actually replying to this quote and no where did I mention FF VII.
Ftr, I have never played KH2, also Cid was first mentioned by me, in referal to his FF7 character. You countered my descrition and then for some unknown reason you brought KH2 into the discussion.
I did go back and read them and they went something like this…
ZOMFGZ SEPHY IS AWWWESOME!!!11!
But I also saw people who actually didn’t say that and you still harassed.
Like who? Like PompousPilate. That may have something to do with the fact he refuses to take the opinions of others on board, even when he’s been proven wrong. Also, try reading this (Thread 28097). Most of my mockery towards fanboys is purely light-hearted.
Reasons why I liked X-2 less than the others ive played.
"I didn’t really have anything against the rest of the game, but every other Final Fantasy I have played has had excellent voiceacting, gameplay, character design, story, and graphics. Why would I want to get a game where I dislike 2 of the 5 things i mentioned. Second, if I wasn’t impressed with FF X all that much, why would I want to get it’s sequel which isn’t even as good as X."
Being worse doesn’t make it a bad game, the other games were just better.
Why didn’t you just say that to begin with? Also, i’d like to point out that FFX-2 suceeds in 4 of those 5 traits, the one being left out is voiceacting. And considering the concept is still new to SE, I think it’s a bit unfair to be harsh on them.
Gameplay: Excellent. The dressphere system is ingenious, and removes the need to have an army of playable characters. It is easy to use, and the combinations and possibilities are limitless. And the battle system is superb. Fast and furious would be the best way to describe it, also it rewards for thinking about your attacks, and not mindlessly bashing X.
Character Design: Let me guess, you don’t like this because they dress like whores? Would you rather they went around in over-coats? Have you actually walked around town at night-time?
Story: Ok, it isn’t exactly deep, but it is coherent, well-paced and ties all the loose ends up. I thought the story(considering the short time frame) was rather good.
Graphics: Graphics are as good as to be expected in my opinion. I quite like them.
A long time ago? Of course since ive only been here for about a day or 2. And thats why you wrote me a long reply at 2am today? Well I really don’t feel like educating a hopeless cause so I think the convo ends here.
Maybe you should look at my location and have another go at that……..
Time of my last reply—->’Yesterday, 10:06 PM’
Also, being snide isn’t helping your case at all ftr.
Gameplay: Excellent. The dressphere system is ingenious, and removes the need to have an army of playable characters. It is easy to use, and the combinations and possibilities are limitless. And the battle system is superb. Fast and furious would be the best way to describe it, also it rewards for thinking about your attacks, and not mindlessly bashing X.
Character Design: Let me guess, you don’t like this because they dress like whores? Would you rather they went around in over-coats? Have you actually walked around town at night-time?
Story: Ok, it isn’t exactly deep, but it is coherent, well-paced and ties all the loose ends up. I thought the story(considering the short time frame) was rather good.
Graphics: Graphics are as good as to be expected in my opinion. I quite like them.
I did say that in the beginning, but w/e.
I didn’t like that they dressed like whores but only because then fanboys bought the game just for that reason.
My convo with a fanboy.
Me. Eh, I didn’t really like FF X-2…
Fb. How?
Me. The gameplay was decent. I just had a problem with the story and character design
Fb. But Rikku is sooo hott.
Me….
I’m sure you’ve encountered people of that nature before.
First of all, I never agree with the "omg it wasn’t more of the same so it automatically sucks" mentality. Aside from that, it would be hard to argue that FFVIII was really more modern than FFVII, considering that the latter featured a large modern city, ray guns, genetic alterations, etc.
The rest of my post was going to be a huge reply to nearly everything Van Finel has said in this thread. However, a few posts from the end of it, I decided it simply was not pursuing because he/she/it has a very poor grasp of the rules of debate.
Van Finel, if you wish to try taking me head-on in a debate, you’re welcome to do so. However, be aware that I require a higher quality of opposition than you have thus far demonstrated. If you meet my expectations, you will be rewarded with a civil (possibly heated, but not mean-spirited) debate. If not, I am known to punish those who fail to do so with ruthless mockery.
If you wish to initiate such a debate, then you merely need to list detailed proofs of FFX-2’s inferiority, removing all aspects of personal opinion and focusing purely on verifiable fact.
The rest of my post was going to be a huge reply to nearly everything Van Finel has said in this thread. However, a few posts from the end of it, I decided it simply was not pursuing because he/she/it has a very poor grasp of the rules of debate.
Van Finel, if you wish to try taking me head-on in a debate, you’re welcome to do so. However, be aware that I require a higher quality of opposition than you have thus far demonstrated. If you meet my expectations, you will be rewarded with a civil (possibly heated, but not mean-spirited) debate. If not, I am known to punish those who fail to do so with ruthless mockery.
If you wish to initiate such a debate, then you merely need to list detailed proofs of FFX-2’s inferiority, removing all aspects of personal opinion and focusing purely on verifiable fact.WEll I know this is between you two, but I thought the whole fact that they made X-2 was asinine. X wrapped up nicely Sin was the only threat to the world and now it’s done. What I don’t understand is Why Sqaure decided to open up a sealed tomb. What’s next sequels to every FF.
Bonus points for your use of the word "asinine." However, it is nothing new for a successful property to have a sequel made that further explores its world, themes, characters, etc. As shown before, it was precedented, it was commerically viable, and there was enough depth left to be drawn out of the setting to justify a new game.
Even if you personally do not like the game, it’s very hard to argue against its quality in any case. The battle system was more polished than any other game in the series, with the possible exception of FFT. The story is coherent, with plenty of whimsy that heightens its fun factor. The length is variable according to how much effort you put into the game which, combined with its mission based structure, gives the game much greater accessibility than most titles in the series. New Game Plus and branching story paths give it replay value.
The rest of my post was going to be a huge reply to nearly everything Van Finel has said in this thread. However, a few posts from the end of it, I decided it simply was not pursuing because he/she/it has a very poor grasp of the rules of debate.
Van Finel, if you wish to try taking me head-on in a debate, you’re welcome to do so. However, be aware that I require a higher quality of opposition than you have thus far demonstrated. If you meet my expectations, you will be rewarded with a civil (possibly heated, but not mean-spirited) debate. If not, I am known to punish those who fail to do so with ruthless mockery.
If you wish to initiate such a debate, then you merely need to list detailed proofs of FFX-2’s inferiority, removing all aspects of personal opinion and focusing purely on verifiable fact.
No thanks as I am only in highschool and would probably get my ass handed to me.
by the way im a "he"
Age isn’t really that important in a debate. I’ve had 13 year olds give me a rough time before. It all comes down to intelligence, preparedness, and experience. Besides that, even if you "get your ass handed to you," you’re still likely to walk away from it with a clearer outlook on the subject and/or a greater understanding of how to debate successfully.
by the way im a "he"
Prak is ten years older than me but we still had some pretty damn good debates.
You definitely don’t go easy on someone because of age in a debate, but age can give someone the upper hand. Prak has probably had more exposure to uses of the English language than Desert Wolf, and as such probably has a more mature mastery of it. Actually, that’s what I gathered from observation of their posts.
Of course, there are exceptions, but generally speaking, older people are better at expressing themselves.
Edit: I have had my ass handed to me by Prak in the past, in an FFVII debate, but I have since learned far better how to back up my opinions with evidence AND good analysis of evidence. I would offer to take Prak on, but the only game we even remotely disagree on is FFVII, and I can’t really argue with Prak about FFVII without being unfortunately joined by a bunch of Tifa-humping, Sephiroth-fucking noobs.
I’ve had a real debate with Prak before. —> Thread 29310 I forgot about that one, i should probably get back to it.
I just don’t know enough about that subject to debate over it.
What does this mean?
Also. *slap* I challenge you to a duel!
Also, what kind of duel did you have in mind?
We could always do that via PM. 😉
probably 3 because the music sucked
Lol, I consider Final Fantasy III the FF with the best themes ._.
VOTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!FF is losing by around 2000votes i think we can handle that…Final Fantasy Rules!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ah, fucking hell, another wave of these blatant advertisings. -_-
This does not make the game bad.
The animations were crappy,
If you honestly believe that, you’re a fucking moron. It was one of the best looking games of the PSX era.
the characters annoyed me,
Oh boo hoo. It’s called characterization, personality, and fun. Perhaps you missed it by starting with the stain that was FFVII, but the series actually had that stuff back in the day.
Age: 13
I’m getting soft =/
* Not a single one was released for the Atari
* They all came on a cartridge/cd/dvd and none on a slice of toast
* None of the summons looks like George W. Bush
* All of them cost money and none of them were exchangeable for a pint of virgin blood
* There where no transsexual characters.
* Not a single one was released for the Atari
* They all came on a cartridge/cd/dvd and none on a slice of toast
* None of the summons looks like George W. Bush* All of them cost money and none of them were exchangeable for a pint of virgin blood
* There where no transsexual characters.
fail.
* Not a single one was released for the Atari
* They all came on a cartridge/cd/dvd and none on a slice of toast
* None of the summons looks like George W. Bush* All of them cost money and none of them were exchangeable for a pint of virgin blood
* There where no transsexual characters.quoted for orbituary truth.
sexpot
Also Prak, where is your ava from, i’m sure I recognise it from somewhere…
Well, take this into consideration:
The kid has to start somewhere…..
Thats fair enough.though about change ive never had a problem with changes in the FF series,i like a selection,but some stand out more than others obviously,but with FFX-2 it just had to many negatives (in my eye) to appeal to me. and ive talked about it with many people and ost of them understand or agree
So there you have it, the problem with your judgement on FF X-2 is that it’s merely opinion and thus hold no water.
Again, you prove that you’re a moron. Fuck off.
Thats fair enough.though about change ive never had a problem with changes in the FF series,i like a selection,but some stand out more than others obviously,but with FFX-2 it just had to many negatives (in my eye) to appeal to me. and ive talked about it with many people and ost of them understand or agree
The point is, however, that even if it was not to your liking, the game was rather excellent in most regards, as I believe has been thoroughly documented earlier in this very thread. In fact, it has been rather well proven in various threads that the worst games in the series were actually some of the most popular: VII, VIII, and X.
Mind you, I liked X a lot and enjoyed VII for most of the time I spent playing it. It’s just that I realize that how much I like something (or its mass appeal) is not an accurate indicator of its quality.
Mind you, I liked X a lot and enjoyed VII for most of the time I spent playing it. It’s just that I realize that how much I like something (or its mass appeal) is not an accurate indicator of its quality.
but quality doesnt really mean much if it doesnt appeal to you
If that’s the best you can come with up, you’ve lost your touch.
Opinions are still subject to scrutiny, and are either based in fact or in defiance of it. Facts show that FFX-2 was one of the better entries in the series.
People very often make the mistake of putting too much emphasis on personal opinions. The simple fact is that opinions can be entirely retarded. They can be completely wrong, and they can often be harmful. Take Hitler, for example, and his opinion that Jews are bad and should die. Or for a lighter example, consider how I would be regarded if I believed that the moon was made of red velvet cake and refused to change my belief on the basis that it’s just my personal opinion.
Prak:
If that’s the best you can come with up, you’ve lost your touch.
Actually, that was a simple way of brushing you off with little effort so that I could proceed with the discussion that interested me. You didn’t warrant any effort.
ok you’ve made a good point about opinions,but just out of interest Where are these’s FACTS, id like to see how there facts and not opinions
I believe, stating that the thread is the way it is, that the thread is based on opinions, not facts. However, the use of data is reliable but yet lame as it’s not your original opinion.
Try looking in this thread (Thread 28677). There’s a post on the first page that goes a long way.
Topic: The WORST FF ever!!
I believe, stating that the thread is the way it is, that the thread is based on opinions, not facts. However, the use of data is reliable but yet lame as it’s not your original opinion.
The topic says "worst." It makes no provision to say that it’s asking for opinions. Thus it must be assumed that it is dealing in fact.
Sounds like he is asking for an opinion, don’t you think?
and the guy who started this thread said
"What would be the worst final fantasy that you guys have ever played. To me proberlly 1 and 2 lol."
Thats asking for people to make an opinion,out of all they’ve played FFX-2 is the worst in my opinion
(And just for extra info,ive played most of the main series,i only need 1,2 and 3 which i have played on roms)
I despise MOGs; you never actually own the game. Even if the fee is only $13US a month, you still never have unfettered access. I still play my other FFs, years after I’ve bought them, and still enjoy them. To do the same with FF XI…first off, that might not be possible if they ever discontinued the service, and second it would end up costing hundreds of dollars :/. Not to mention all of the ‘extensions/plugins’ you have to purchase to keep the game up-to-date.
FF XI may or may not have excellent graphics/gameplay/etc., but the simple fact that there is no offline version for permanent home use immediately makes it sink to the bottom as far as I would be concerned. That, and my extremely antisocial personality would probably make partying with other human beings a -bitch-.
Now, if this is simply a question of game mechanics or graphics…the second one. FF II -SUCKS-. It just does. They never made a non-XP/AP FF in the main series again for a reason ^_^.
Tell me this: which would you prefer? A pointless thread where people blindly spam their own favorites or things they dislike without reading anything anyone else says? Or a thread based in fact that can spawn interesting discussion?
Is there any point in posting in a thread that’s nothing but a spamfest where everyone posts their own retarded opinions? It’s nothing but egotistical bullshit. My way is better.
So, who cares if he has depth, if he’s whiny, no one will like him. I doubt the majority of gamers would like a character just because he had depth but an incredibly unlikeable personality. I use this example to back up some of Miss Murder’s post. This forum is based on opinion (and i mean well written opinions, not rjkrider opinions) and facts, not either or.
Think about it: If you were a general in a war, would you send your troops onto a battlefield the enemy had mined, flanked with tanks, and positioned bombers over? It’s pretty similar.
I think it’s a dud….
Goddamn your cocky.
This thread was made so that people could state their opinion with good reason. Good opinions are worth as much as good facts.
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Final Fantasy I and II:
7.0/8.3 1,249 PS1
Final Fantasy IV:
8.5/9.1 1,444 PS1
Final Fantasy V and VI:
8.1/8.8 1,603 PS1
Final Fantasy VII:
9.5/9.6 12,613 PS1
Final Fantasy VIII:
9.5/9.2 7,975 PS1
Final Fantasy IX:
8.5/9.1 6,352 PS1
Final Fantasy X:
9.3/9.3 18,012 PS2
Final Fantasy X-2:
8.1/8.4 10,109 PS2
Final Fantasy XI:
8.2/8.4 3,094 PC
I and II seem to have gotten the lowest scores. However, this is only one website, and these were all the PS1/PS2 versions (still, the earlier games are in fact ‘direct’ ports, so the gameplay is virtually identical to the originals). FF III was not included since it was never released on a PS1/PS2.
Also, it seems there is a rough correlation between how high a score the game received and how many people voted for it, especially if you seperate the games based on platform. It’s still just a huge collection of opinions :/.
Isnt that what makes it funny?
Also how did FF8 get a rating above 5?
You are in no position to state what this forum is based on if you haven’t been here for long, the same goes for you MissMurder. You’re bringing down the quality of the forum with your shitty posts and fillibuster tactics, which I don’t appreciate.
And you are? Joining in june 2006. I think not.
Joan was here well before that. Her account was lost in the recent rollback, so she had to re-register.
Also, it’s hilarious watching you guys do the interweb equivalent of chasing your own tails.
Who cares just let the topic continue
Most people don’t read the thread before posting. They just read the title and reply. They don’t give a rat’s ass what we talk about. Our "discussion" will not stop anyone else from posting because most people who going to post on-topic in threads like this are internet retards who don’t care about what anyone else has said. You are not missing out on anything because of me posting in the thread. Retards will continue to post anyway.
Opinions are merely personalized distortions or denials of fact. There are facts in every instance if you know how to look for them. Case in point, if you state that a particular game/movie/book/etc. has the greatest story ever, you are most likely incorrect, having not experienced every story ever told, thus it is merely an opinion. If you state that the same game/movie/book/etc. has your favorite story ever, that is a statement of fact.
I think the worst is FFX-2,the characters were ALL annoying,it was like playing a power puff girl game.There were no Aeons/Summons ( which is understandable because of the story but still…..),i hated the dress sphere system alot and the story just had no interest,most people just went through the game to see the ending,ive never played through a final fantasy before and found it hard to continue because i just didnt like it,which is quite a shame,though apart from the dress sphere the battles were faster and cool and they had the leveling up system back but thats the only good things i can think about of this game…shame. OOOOOH!!!!!! AND MULTIPLE ENDINGS ON A FINAL FANTASY GAME THAT SUCKS! if you ant to see the real ending its practically impossible to get all the 100% with out a walkthrough (unless your damn lucky!,i remember i missed o.2% because i didnt talk to a moogle or somtihng,thats pretty sad. still i have hopes for FF12 to regain my trust in square-enix
You say the characters are annoying, which is a statement of opinion. The characters are eccentric. Some people find this humorous and some do not. That is fact. Eccentric characters are not necessarily bad, even if they are not to your liking.
You complained about a lack of summons, which is hardly a defining characteristic of the series. The game balances the loss of a mechanic by adding extra depth to its other mechanics. The game is not worse for it, merely different.
You bitched about the multiple endings (yes, I’m skipping several of your gripes, but I’m trying to make a point, not write an essay.), but you list no reason as to why you think that was bad.
As you should be able to see, these do not hold any water at all in the context of a discussion. It was nothing but a baseless, biased, unsourced rant.
hows that not a fair comment to say why the multiple ending idea is bad.
as for what i said a bout the characters yeah that was a little blank.
Also, it’s hilarious watching you guys do the interweb equivalent of chasing your own tails.
Righht and since she doesn’t know that happened to me she can’t say that. Problem solved.
Also, it’s hilarious how you have such a high in mighty attitude in a Final Fantasy Forum. Like I said before, why don’t you go play with the big boys instead of argueing with people on a kids website.
1) You are not going to win this argument
2) You’re shitting up the thread
And Van Finel, you can STFU aswell, because as Prak says, this isnt a kids website, and oyu’re shitting up the forum along with Ultimadream.
Apart from the incentive of playing it again it doesn`t make the game seem like it`s set on a fixed track like other FF games. It`s different but more like a traditional RPG.
You never saw the perfect ending, did you? It’s just one final scene tacked on at the end (not even an FMV) of Tidus and Yuna discussing what’s happened. It’s not particularly important; just a small non-essential bonus for reaching 100% that does nothing to change the other ending.
If you just STFU with your banter and stupid posts like this already and constantly trying to argue with Prak, this thread wouldnt be shitted up so much. :rolleyes:
And you’re spoiling it for the rest of us who want to have an intelligent discussion.
And you’re spoiling it for the rest of us who want to have an intelligent discussion.
This isn’t the right forum if your looking for "intelligent discussions".
And by you bitching to Ultima your adding to the shit your so very against.
Please try to separate your points so the people reading them can tell who you’re talking to without sifting through it.
Anyway, the point is that they made a game that rewards players for digging deeper into it. It’s a major theme throughout the entire game. As you put more effort into the game by completing more sidequests, watching more dialogue scenes, and interacting with other characters, the various plots resolve in more satisfactory ways. It’s a perfectly natural extension of that concept.
The bad ending was when you lose in the final boss battles and Vegnagun destroys Spira. It only happens if you lose.
News to me. I’ll load up my Farplane savefile and delibrately lose to see that.
I knew about it but I only played the game once and I wasnt bothered trying to die on my first play through.
The sad thing is that you don’t have to justify it at all. You’re perfectly free to dislike the game for any reasons you want without any fear of being challlenged. It’s when you say that those elements make the game bad that you get called on it.
Already addressed, as you can see.
Also, if you have more you want to add, just edit your previous post instead of posting twice in a row. Double posting is bad.
but if it the best ending is just an extra conversation which doesnt mean much then its not particually rewarding is it,hence how its disapointing
x 2
So NOW will you STFU Ultimadream?
I think he was saying that he wouldn’t care for the endings of X-2 because he didn’t care for the story in the first place.
Example:
Sample Opinion: "FFX’s graphics are utter crap and there’s no storyline, and it has a primitive game mechanics system."
What I would see as being a sample Fact (though in this case the numbers are complete ass-magic): "FFX’s framerate is 20 fps as opposed to FFX-2’s 24 fps. The script for FFX consumes 5 MB of ROM while FFX-2’s requires 12 MB. FFX-2’s battle engine is a real-time environment while FFX is ‘CTB,’ thus FFX-2’s engine is more highly evolved and complex. FFX-2 is superior to FFX in terms of framerate, size of script body, and battle engine complexity."
I tried to use the poll to approach what is being considered fact by the thread, but I didn’t like it because it’s just a huge series of opinions tallied up to look like a score distribution against a model to spit out "8.5" or "9.3", etc…
You can say you love FF7, which is fine. You cannot say it’s the best RPG ever(as many idiots have), as its been proven in countless threads here, that it is a highly flawed game.
Therefore, it is opinion to say you love the game, it’s fact to say it’s flawed. I am sorry this isn’t a great explaination, Prak could probally explain it much better.
i didnt like the sphere grid as i prefer gud leveling up and it took ages to get the abititles u wanted. FFX-2 fight system was much better and i enjoyed it much more.
FFIX was quite gud in my opinion but it was too easy but my fav is FF7 and FF6 as they both have gud storylines and kept me coming back for more.
very gud point, i do like tht FFX had voice overs cause i did tire over reading very thing tht they said and of course the graphics are very gud which is a plus.
even though seven isnt very gud graphics it is still the best FF
Nobuo stopped trying after FF6
You can’t have a debate over purely factual information. Suppose you take a slice of cheddar cheese and stage a debate, one person arguing that it is yellowish-orange, the other arguing that it’s brown. If the color of the cheese is yellowish-orange, there’s nothing to debate because it’s purely a factual question.
Trying to put game on a ranking system will never work, mainly because everyone holds a different game closer to their heart,
I’m tempted to make fun of your metaphor, but I think it will suffice to say that a debate DEALS with opinions, each person giving evidence to support his point of view.
You cannot say this game was better than that game because that is OPINION,
Since when are you not allowed to state your opinion as fact? That’s what a debate IS.
no matter how many facts you throw out it is still biased opinion.
Of course everyone is biased, but that doesn’t mean you can’t debate over the quality of a game.
Games were ment to be enjoyed not ripped apart by analyzation, oh the script, combat, charachter, or setting was bad.
Games were meant to make money, JFTR, and if you don’t like the idea of criticism of video games, then you can quit posting in this thread.
To you it may be trash, but a masterpiece to another,
Totally irrelevent. Whether or not something is a masterpiece is no matter of opinion. Try comparing Lil’ John’s song, Get Low, which required the creativity of a six-year-old to write, with Mozart’s opera, Don Giovanni, which is extremely difficult to perform and which has been recognized as a masterpiece for hundreds of years. More people probably like Lil’ John (a fact that disgusts me,) but there is no way in hell you can argue that he created any masterpieces.
it is our difference in gaming that makes new diverse games or else every game would look alike,
What makes new diverse games is the creativity of the game creators. People may enjoy different games, but that doesn’t mean you aren’t allowed to debate about them.
let’s face it there will never be a perfect game people have different opinions so this thread is pretty much pointless
This thread is not pointless because there is an enjoyable aspect to debating the quality of games.
as the worst game cannot be proven,
Of course not, or any debate would be won by the person lucky enough to be right.
and debating whether they chose the right FF
On a debate team, you are ASSIGNED a point of view, and you have to argue it whether you believe in it or not.
as the worst cannot be debated as it is their OPINION .
If you can’t debate opinions, then what the hell do you debate?
Though ff2 sucked because you had to beet yourself up to get health its innovative but crap
Though ff2 sucked because you had to beet yourself up to get health its innovative but crap
Please enlighten this thread by telling us which FF could possibly your favourite.
Though ff2 sucked because you had to beet yourself up to get health its innovative but crap
Please enlighten this thread by telling us which FF could possibly your favourite.
i don’t have a single favourite my favourites are 7 & 9
whys that?
You could like ac but not like the original because one of my bros hates the game but loves the movie
That’s highly unlikely. You see, AC is a bad film, which has been proven to bad across this site repeatedly. The majority, if not all, of the people that like AC are big lovers of the FFVII game, which is why they like the movie; because they see their favourite game characters jumping about the screen and kicking bad-guy ass again with a huge sword.
I’m tempted to make fun of your metaphor, but I think it will suffice to say that a debate DEALS with opinions, each person giving evidence to support his point of view.
Since when are you not allowed to state your opinion as fact? That’s what a debate IS.
Of course everyone is biased, but that doesn’t mean you can’t debate over the quality of a game.
Games were meant to make money, JFTR, and if you don’t like the idea of criticism of video games, then you can quit posting in this thread.
Totally irrelevent. Whether or not something is a masterpiece is no matter of opinion. Try comparing Lil’ John’s song, Get Low, which required the creativity of a six-year-old to write, with Mozart’s opera, Don Giovanni, which is extremely difficult to perform and which has been recognized as a masterpiece for hundreds of years. More people probably like Lil’ John (a fact that disgusts me,) but there is no way in hell you can argue that he created any masterpieces.
What makes new diverse games is the creativity of the game creators. People may enjoy different games, but that doesn’t mean you aren’t allowed to debate about them.
This thread is not pointless because there is an enjoyable aspect to debating the quality of games.
Of course not, or any debate would be won by the person lucky enough to be right.
On a debate team, you are ASSIGNED a point of view, and you have to argue it whether you believe in it or not.
If you can’t debate opinions, then what the hell do you debate?Like I said you cannot debate which game is better in terms of worst or best because it is biased, games will prove better or worse to different people. So you cannot procclaim this game is better than this one because it will not get you anywhere. And of course games are meant to make money but also to be enjoyed each game targets a different audience, each game will have it’s ups and downs I know a lot of people who liked FF6 personally thinked it sucked, but that is just to me but I can’t say it is the worst just because I hated it. So basically if this thread were to be accurately named it would be called which FF is worst in your opinion.because which is actually worse can never be determined.
STFU.
So basically, you’re saying we should all stop debating each other on matters such as the one at hand, because you think we’re wasting our time Sounds like an intelligent response
STFU.Sounds like rjkrider.
Sounds like rjkrider.
Do not associate a simple request to Shut the Fuck Up, with the antics of a despised, bullshitting member, because that does show a pathetic attempt at an insult. Also, just because you say a game is the best, doesn’t make you biased toward that game. Being biased is to be excessively devoted to one thing or favouring one thing over another in an unfair way. I may prefer FFVII to FFVI, but I still believe FFVI to be the better game, you see?
Bias A preference or an inclination, especially one that inhibits impartial judgment or A statistical sampling or testing error caused by systematically favoring some outcomes over others. So baically this topic would be bias. And for the rjkrider statement if you search up all of his threads as soon as he types something idiotic and someone confronts him he says STFU… incessantly.
Why is something good? By facts. But facts are always stated by opinions, ’cause those facts we tend to give are just definitions, but basically they’re still opinions.
So please explain how RJKrider’s ‘incessant’ and repetitive nature relates to my single STFU statement.
Yes but you cannot state one game is best becuse you only make a very small fraction of the fans of whatever your preference is. The only way to prove which game is best and which is worse is a poll an even that would be inaccurate because that, something such as a game or any form of media cannot be brought to ranking because everyone will interpret media differently. So what you could really say is my personal best and my personal worst. Best and worst cannot be proven So baically this topic would be bias.
Well, now you’re changing the subject, I was challenging your definition of bias. Just leave it at this because I’m not getting into the whole ‘opinion-fact’ argument. It bores me and it’s been said a hundred times.
Don’t you just love the way Lionheart Reborn persists in shitting up the thread with his moronic assertions of things that have already been proven conclusively to be wrong?
Quoted for truth.
I gave you my definition on bias. But Prak even as that statement was rude you are right I will cease in shting up this thread.
Bias A preference or an inclination, especially one that inhibits impartial judgment or A statistical sampling or testing error caused by systematically favoring some outcomes over others.
Don’t you just love the way Lionheart Reborn persists in shitting up the thread with his moronic assertions of things that have already been proven conclusively to be wrong?
FFVI is a better game then FFVII-FACT
People prefer FFVII to FFVI-OPINION
Qft.
Ok this subject is boring me here is a summary best and worst is impossible to prove, that is why you say IMO, and debating whether the game is best and worse is pointless because it is two different opinions two different reasons. Interpretation differs throughout everyone making this info bias. You can tell which you hated most of all but you can’t say this one was worst than the other, because your opinion means very little to undeniable fact. And I said I wasn’t discussing this anymore continue posting which was in your opinion best and worst. Any other comments can be PM’ed to me.
What part of ‘debate’ do you not understand? :rolleyes:
The whole point of a debate is to be unbiased and objective. Anyone who is not, does not understand how to debate.
Ok this subject is boring me here is a summary best and worst is impossible to prove,
The Shawshank Redemeption
Predator 2
Which is the better film? :rolleyes:
that is why you say IMO, and debating whether the game is best and worse is pointless because it is two different opinions two different reasons.
For the last time, quality isn’t a matter of opinion. It is fact.
Interpretation differs throughout everyone making this info bias. You can tell which you hated most of all but you can’t say this one was worst than the other, because your opinion means very little to undeniable fact. And I said I wasn’t discussing this anymore continue posting which was in your opinion best and worst. Any other comments can be PM’ed to me.
There you go with this biased crap again. No-one of worth is being biased in this debate. I prefer to play FFX-2 then FFVI. That doesn’t mean it’s a better game, I simply enjoy it more. Personal enjoyment and quality are two different things.
Hence why I said ‘anyone of note’.
And games will differ on quality to different people.
Wrong, there are universal standards of quality. You once again mistake personal enjoyment for quality.
Like you for example You believe the quality of FFVIII was poor
Indeed I do. I enjoy playing it, although I know its a wretched game.
to me the script was unparalleled to any FF I’ve played, the characters were far more relatable,
The dialouge was adequate, the characters were as shallow as a rock-pool however. You probally felt they were relatable because they had very little depth.
the graphics were ahead of it’s time the battle system made the game so easy to cruise through,
The graphics were good at the time granted. But, the battle system is the downfall of this game. ‘Easy to cruise through’ is not a good thing in terms of quality. Any battle system that doesn’t require you to level or train your characters is fudamentally flawed.
and the plot twist was not bad seeing as it was justified in the game.
The plot-twist was a total cop-out. Bad storytelling prevails, which again causes FFVIII to score badly in the quality stakes.
But see I just debated quality but my quality came from my opinion as did yours.
No, this post has been entirely objective.
When Selphie created her "I have a confession to make" excuse, my stomach almost bottomed out. In fact, my first impulse was to try and tie that loose end up properly; where is this GF she used for a while, what did it do, and why would it force her to forget its name? Actually, that whole scene about them coming from the same orphanage was too sugary, in an "O, RLY?" sort of way.
Where have you been?
Because it’s one thing to say it’s bad, saying it’s the worst thing ever. Because that would be your opinion and far from truth.
Again, no offense.
Sigh. That’s not even worth a response.
The reason this is false is because VIII not only put prior FF’s to shame FF built up from it’s success.
You fail completely. Not only were the previous, oh, five FF titles superior to FFVIII, but FFIX was a dramatic reversal in style from FFVIII, from fantasy-cyberpunk with a "dark" main character, to fantasy steampunk with an outgoing main character with a personality. I wouldn’t call that "building up from its success" unless you’re using some definition of "building up" that I’ve never heard before.
edit:
Where have you been?
Not being arsed to read nine-tenths of the drivel that’s become prevalent on FFS.
That was the most idiotic thing I’ve heard, and I’ve heard a full grown man say what’s a hypotenuse. No way were the previous FF better than FFVIII before FF the char. development was pure retardation, uninteresting in everyway. They had as much definition as a kids book. And the story was always soo tired and predictable Oh once upon a time their was a calm land and there was crystals that shone brightest in all the world. And everyone had the same crappy ass ending, you put the cystals back ad everything turns to normal. That is about the dumbest thing ever. AS far as your dark main char. statement, he is far from dark he timid and anti-social for him to be "dark" that would include some sort of anger or agitatio of some some sort. And you missed my point entirely, as you know know FF builds up from previous FFs (story wise) but in turn with graphics. After FFVIII Square started utilizing more FMVs to sort of pull you into the story.
And the story was always soo tired and predictable Oh once upon a time their was a calm land and there was crystals that shone brightest in all the world. And everyone had the same crappy ass ending, you put the cystals back ad everything turns to normal. That is about the dumbest thing ever. AS far as your dark main char. statement, he is far from dark he timid and anti-social for him to be "dark" that would include some sort of anger or agitatio of some some sort. And you missed my point entirely, as you know know FF builds up from previous FFs (story wise) but in turn with graphics. After FFVIII Square started utilizing more FMVs to sort of pull you into the story.
Hold on a second, what?. Saying the character development was "pure retardation" makes you seem totaly immature and is a cheap way of ducking out of saying why you didn`t like it. I have a feeling you haven`t even played some of the previous FF titles and you don`t go for anything without flashy cut-scenes. But that`s not you`re fault, you`re 14. Maybe when you grow up a little and get a better taste in games you`ll see how charming and engrossing some of the older FF titles are.
Oh don’t get me wrong I enjoyed them a interesting story is an interesting story. But saying FVIII is worst than all of the classics was wrong.
I would say one is the worst simply because there isn’t a complex story line with lots of dialouge like the ones i like, and also you can’t summon
Summons don’t make the game I mean I’ve played SO which is summon free and I liked it better than almost any FF to date.
Do you know how long ago it was made?
Fair enough but i think they should have put a better story in the remake is what i mean. Sorry i forgot to say that on my first post
If you played it when it first came out i think you would love it.
Yeah i would have but i am not that old not even close so i have grown around storylined games
Alot of games don’t require you to train as long as you fight every challenge along the way. My def. of training is this guy is to hard to beat so I’ll forcibly lvl the only gam I had to do that with was X. That damn sphere grid kept screwing me over.
THIS IS ALMOST ENTIRLY UNREADABLE!!!
You said that in a completely different thread.
You said it on the Metal gear solid vs Splinter cell. To prove to everyone the spaticated mistake you have done here is the link
BP mocking me in the wrong thread (http://forums.ffshrine.org/showthread.php?p=618392#post618392)
but in X-2 i was not getting any random encouters to train up at the final dungeon for the final boss so i just gave up and never played it again and it bugged me for a while
You said it on the Metal gear solid vs Splinter cell. To prove to everyone the spaticated mistake you have done here is the link
BP mocking me in the wrong thread (http://forums.ffshrine.org/showthread.php?p=618392#post618392)
Maybe because it still applies hmm… well it does, please proof read your posts…and I say this again because it applies also
EDIT: you may find that aside from atrocious spelling, you have a bad memory, I did not post the exact same words, though they may have sufficed
[QUOTE=Lionheart Reborn]No way were the previous FF better than FFVIII before FF the char. development was pure retardation, uninteresting in everyway. They had as much definition as a kids book.
Wait. Didn’t you just say that opinions weren’t truth? I just want to clarify–you’re giving up your cop-out non-arguement in favor of actually discussing/debating actual merits/demerits? Moving from that premise, your point is teh suck. Tell me how FFVI has poor character development, as opposed to FFVIII. Same for FFVII and FFT. Heck, go for FFIV while we’re at it.
And the story was always soo tired and predictable Oh once upon a time their was a calm land and there was crystals that shone brightest in all the world. And everyone had the same crappy ass ending, you put the cystals back ad everything turns to normal. That is about the dumbest thing ever.
Let’s see…okay, FFV’s story wasn’t so hot. Other than that, FFIV is the only one I mentioned that has anything to do with the Crystals. So much for that non-point.
AS far as your dark main char. statement, he is far from dark he timid and anti-social for him to be "dark" that would include some sort of anger or agitatio of some some sort.
Um, yeah. Squall’s got the whole dark, anti-hero wannabe thing going, with the whole pushing everybody away thing–that’s not timid, anti-socialness. That’s the whole "I lost somebody once so I won’t have anything to do with anybody else" thing.
And you missed my point entirely, as you know know FF builds up from previous FFs (story wise) but in turn with graphics. After FFVIII Square started utilizing more FMVs to sort of pull you into the story.
Wrong on all counts. FF does NOT build up from previous FF’s, story-wise. Improving graphics is a natural evolution of gaming in general–saying that’s specifically a FF characteristic is utter garbage. And it was after FFVII that Squeenix started utilizing more FMV’s. FFVIII just overused poorly directed ones to try to make up for its lackluster (to put it nicely) story.
You know what, Lionheart? If you want to convince us that FF8 is "da best shizzle evah!11" you’ll have to do the legwork in stating your arguments as concisely and logically sound as possible. Thrashing around like a retarded little fanboy dropped on his head at infancy will do NOTHING to convince anyone to see eye to eye with your opinions.
So…if you’re so sound in believing that FF8 is so good, I want an essay on it, detailing every single aspect of the game and what you liked about it, use those points to write about how it puts other previous FF games to shame. I want you to use no less than 5000 words and I want you to organize your points in paragraphs, indent them and use proper written UK-English spelling and grammar. Anything less will automatically be considered bullshit.
You know what, Lionheart? If you want to convince us that FF8 is "da best shizzle evah!11" you’ll have to do the legwork in stating your arguments as concisely and logically sound as possible. Thrashing around like a retarded little fanboy dropped on his head at infancy will do NOTHING to convince anyone to see eye to eye with your opinions.
So…if you’re so sound in believing that FF8 is so good, I want an essay on it, detailing every single aspect of the game and what you liked about it, use those points to write about how it puts other previous FF games to shame. I want you to use no less than 5000 words and I want you to organize your points in paragraphs, indent them and use proper written UK-English spelling and grammar. Anything less will automatically be considered bullshit.
I guess you showed him.
I want an essay on it, detailing every single aspect of the game and what you liked about it, use those points to write about how it puts other previous FF games to shame. I want you to use no less than 5000 words and I want you to organize your points in paragraphs, indent them and use proper written UK-English spelling and grammar. Anything less will automatically be considered bullshit.
Well thanks Mrs.Michelle Will this be on my final Grade?
I noticed that Lionheart has ignored my previous post, which did a pretty decent job of pointing out his non-arguments and falsehoods, if I do say so myself, considering that I didn’t have but a couple minutes to post.
FFII – Quite honestly it bored me and I just didn’t really get on with the leveling up system.
FFVIII – It just didn’t appeal to me much, I got bored eventually and stopped playing before the end.
FFVIII – It just didn’t appeal to me much, I got bored eventually and stopped playing before the end.
Well, I do agree about Final Fantasy II, but both FFII and FFVIII are worth playing to the end, just so you know, you shouldn’t give up that quickly. =)
I remember I was so turned off by the athmosphere you had with Final Fantasy VIII, it just didn’t appeal to me (hm..was a bit ignorant back then), but anyways, I replayed it, and understood the full potential of the Junction system and all.
And as for Final Fantasy II, it actually has quite a decent storyline, although not very developed, the proces from the beginning towards the end is still quite exciting (gotta love the final dungeon in games like these ^_^).
So, it’s worth playing ANYHOW! :smrt:
VI- Couldn’t give you the whole thing because I lost interest, But I will be back after I complete it.
VII- Just to la-di-da ok let’s form a group to beat shinra none of them actually showed a reason for fighting. Barret was the only one that showed a remote reason, fighting for his little girl. Cloud was… just… can’t even put into words he comes of a train and goes into a building and just starts fighting. Now don’t get me wrong I never said I didn’t enjoy the game but I just don’t understand you saying VIII was less developed than all prior FF’s
IV- This was just dumb, sorry to be so vulgar, They never said any thing about …. what was his name oh yeah Cecil (real masculine). He comes back from a mission after slaughtering people for a stupid crystal. Still is a cruel black knight. Then he goes to a city (forgot the name), and they say the only way for you to continue your journey, you have to go to this mountain and become a paladin. He didn’t say ok he just goes like a dog and returns a paladin. As far as the other chars. they died to fast to even be defined, they didn’t even really die (they just came back in the end not all).
Let’s see…okay, FFV’s story wasn’t so hot. Other than that, FFIV is the only one I mentioned that has anything to do with the Crystals. So much for that non-point.
Actually you said all prior FF and the only one’s I haven’t played are 3&5 1,2, and four were obsessed with crystals and that’s how they all started.
Um, yeah. Squall’s got the whole dark, anti-hero wannabe thing going, with the whole pushing everybody away thing–that’s not timid, anti-socialness. That’s the whole "I lost somebody once so I won’t have anything to do with anybody else" thing.
That’s not dark antisocial yes but I would go as far as "dark". Unless you’d like to call me dark.
Wrong on all counts. FF does NOT build up from previous FF’s, story-wise. Improving graphics is a natural evolution of gaming in general–saying that’s specifically a FF characteristic is utter garbage. And it was after FFVII that Squeenix started utilizing more FMV’s. FFVIII just overused poorly directed ones to try to make up for its lackluster (to put it nicely) story.Granted yes seven started the utilizing of FMVs, but it was VIII that made it so abundant. See you think it was to cover their faults I think it was to pull you into the story, captivate you, and maybe show off their graphics.
P.S. Sorry for late response.
That was the most idiotic thing I’ve heard, and I’ve heard a full grown man say what’s a hypotenuse.
LOL Sadly "the king of irony" is probably the nicest thing anyone has said to me.
I’ll just use this to say I’m entering into this and that I’ll be waiting for this one.
VII- Just to la-di-da ok let’s form a group to beat shinra none of them actually showed a reason for fighting. Barret was the only one that showed a remote reason, fighting for his little girl. Cloud was… just… can’t even put into words he comes of a train and goes into a building and just starts fighting. Now don’t get me wrong I never said I didn’t enjoy the game but I just don’t understand you saying VIII was less developed than all prior FF’s
Actually, VII could be the exception because the characters were not particularly well developed. And actually, the reasons the characters had for fighting was just about the only development they received, to be honest. I won’t go into that, though, because I agree that VII’s characters were badly developed.
IV- This was just dumb, sorry to be so vulgar, They never said any thing about …. what was his name oh yeah Cecil (real masculine).
I can see what kind of dilluted picture you have of what it is to be a man.
He comes back from a mission after slaughtering people for a stupid crystal. Still is a cruel black knight. Then he goes to a city (forgot the name), and they say the only way for you to continue your journey, you have to go to this mountain and become a paladin.
Your summary does not quite do justice to the story, I’m afraid. Cecil is not just a cruel black knightl; after he attacks the defenseless Mysidians, he feels completely disgusted with himself and swears never to obey such an order from the king again. Oh, and he saves a little girl’s life, saves Rosa’s life, and defends Fabul from Baron all before he goes to "a city," which is named Mysidia, by the way, and finds that the only way he can fight Golbez is if he faces his past as a dark knight and embraces the sacred power of a paladin.
He didn’t say ok he just goes like a dog and returns a paladin. As far as the other chars. they died to fast to even be defined, they didn’t even really die (they just came back in the end not all).
He most certainly does not just go like a dog, rather, he goes to the mountain because it’s his only chance to save Rosa and stop Golbez. Also, I would like to point out that Rosa, Kain, and Edward never "died," and although it kind if was ridiculous that so many of the ones that seemed to die came back, the plot still flows very well, and certainly none of the charcters died too fast to be defined.
Actually you said all prior FF and the only one’s I haven’t played are 3&5 1,2, and four were obsessed with crystals and that’s how they all started.
Despite that video games are inanimate, and therefore it is impossible for them to be obsessed, seeing as how obsession is a state of mind, your point is still rather lame. FFI didn’t have much of a plot, I will grant, and I haven’t played through FFII, but FFIV had far more to its plot than the crystals. They played an integral role in the plot, yes, but to dismiss the plot of the game as inferior, you need much more of a complaint than that.
That’s not dark antisocial yes but I would go as far as "dark". Unless you’d like to call me dark.
That’s a very trivial thing to argue, to be honest. The whole point of CyanCyde’s argument was that Squall was an archetypical zombie with no depth to his character.
Granted yes seven started the utilizing of FMVs, but it was VIII that made it so abundant. See you think it was to cover their faults I think it was to pull you into the story, captivate you, and maybe show off their graphics.
P.S. Sorry for late response.
I disagree with both of you. They used FMVs simply because they could. I don’t think they detract from the game, but you can’t really consider a game good just because of its FMVs.
LOL Sadly "the king of irony" is probably the nicest thing anyone has said to me.
I’m going to ask you nicely to make better arguments, or I will become not so nice.
VII- Just to la-di-da ok let’s form a group to beat shinra none of them actually showed a reason for fighting. Barret was the only one that showed a remote reason, fighting for his little girl. Cloud was… just… can’t even put into words he comes of a train and goes into a building and just starts fighting. Now don’t get me wrong I never said I didn’t enjoy the game but I just don’t understand you saying VIII was less developed than all prior FF’s
IV- This was just dumb, sorry to be so vulgar, They never said any thing about …. what was his name oh yeah Cecil (real masculine). He comes back from a mission after slaughtering people for a stupid crystal. Still is a cruel black knight. Then he goes to a city (forgot the name), and they say the only way for you to continue your journey, you have to go to this mountain and become a paladin. He didn’t say ok he just goes like a dog and returns a paladin. As far as the other chars. they died to fast to even be defined, they didn’t even really die (they just came back in the end not all).
How can you say FFVIII put its predecessors to shame when you haven’t actually played through them? Anyway, I fail to see how these games are worse in the character development department, when FFVIII’s main character goes from a jerk-off to a jerk-off with a girlfriend. Other than the love story part, nine-tenths of the character development in VIII comes from that God-awful plot twist.
Actually you said all prior FF and the only one’s I haven’t played are 3&5 1,2, and four were obsessed with crystals and that’s how they all started.
Actually, I said the previous five FF’s. Don’t twist my words. At any rate, your "compaints" about these games are probably the most superficial nonsense I’ve heard in quite some time. I get the feeling that you’re a flashophile (loves flashy stuff).
You fail completely. Not only were the previous, oh, five FF titles superior to FFVIII,
Granted yes seven started the utilizing of FMVs, but it was VIII that made it so abundant. See you think it was to cover their faults I think it was to pull you into the story, captivate you, and maybe show off their graphics.
Squeenix seems to have learned quite a few lessons from FFVIII; not abusing FMV’s was one of them. Both FFIX and FFX (heck, X-2, too!) had fewer FMV’s than VIII. The ones they did have were also better-directed for the most part. At any rate, the sheer number of FMV’s in VIII created pacing issues in the story, which had enough issues on its own.
That’s not dark antisocial yes but I would go as far as "dark". Unless you’d like to call me dark.
Even though FF1 beat me to the punch, I could call you a lot of things for trying to argue this stupid point with me.
Yes but he never took it upon himself to become a Paladin, The Leader of some Villiage said the only way to continue is to go to the mountain and get rid of your dark soul(the gist of what he said), and he just goes blindly not one second of thought you call that embracing, I call that mindly following. No matter how bad he felt he never said I want to become a Paladin, he just did it to progress the story.
FFIV had far more to its plot than the crystals. They played an integral role in the plot, yes, but to dismiss the plot of the game as inferior, you need much more of a complaint than that.
NO I am not saying that the plot was inferior out of te whole crystaline stories I like this on the most. Yes this was the only one that I played which I liked but the primary arguement was the character defenition saying VIII’s has less definition that them.
That’s a very trivial thing to argue, to be honest. The whole point of CyanCyde’s argument was that Squall was an archetypical zombie with no depth to his character.
See I didn’t really take it like that I took him as a scarred soul who refused to assosciate with others, Like cyancyde said " He was hurt once so he built a wall to not be hurt again. I find that characteristic to be most realistic of the FF’s the world isn’t filled with people that say "OK this landed in my lap. So it will be my divine quest", and go around with a huge smile on his face. The characteristics of Squall seemed more realistic to me becuse no one is that ignorant to pain and suffering and will just brush it off happily.
I disagree with both of you. They used FMVs simply because they could. I don’t think they detract from the game, but you can’t really consider a game good just because of its FMVs.
Yes I agree with you there they may have just used it because they could, and I know FMVs don’t make a good story let alone game.
How can you say FFVIII put its predecessors to shame when you haven’t actually played through them? Anyway, I fail to see how these games are worse in the character development department, when FFVIII’s main character goes from a jerk-off to a jerk-off with a girlfriend. Other than the love story part, nine-tenths of the character development in VIII comes from that God-awful plot twist.
Ok my correction the predecessors that I have played. I disagree with you ther I believe he goes from a person that’s been scarred and hardened because of it to a indivdual who is learning to love and to trust people again, by the end of the 2nd disk right before the Galbladia Garden battle when he is told to speak you see a new voice of a confident strong person rather than is normal "…" stature.
Actually, I said the previous five FF’s. Don’t twist my words. At any rate, your "compaints" about these games are probably the most superficial nonsense I’ve heard in quite some time. I get the feeling that you’re a flashophile (loves flashy stuff).
Not really I liked 7 6 (I’ve been rather busy with another game so i haven’t finished it) and 4. My arguement was not that these games were less defined characteristically.
Squeenix seems to have learned quite a few lessons from FFVIII; not abusing FMV’s was one of them. Both FFIX and FFX (heck, X-2, too!) had fewer FMV’s than VIII. The ones they did have were also better-directed for the most part. At any rate, the sheer number of FMV’s in VIII created pacing issues in the story, which had enough issues on its own.
As FF1 said I believe they just did it because they could, and I never counted the FMVs so I couldn’t argue.
Even though FF1 beat me to the punch, I could call you a lot of things for trying to argue this stupid point with me. Not actually an aruement as much as a side bar None ofthat sounds arguement based. Because youcallled him anti-social not me
Yes, Cecil did take it upon himself to become a paladin–he had already decided to fight the evilness going on, and the elder said that you can’t fight evil with evil. There was the whole redemption thing going on, as well, as Cecil wanted to make it up to that village, as he had plundered them for their crystal in the very beginning of the game.
I find that characteristic to be most realistic of the FF’s the world isn’t filled with people that say "OK this landed in my lap. So it will be my divine quest", and go around with a huge smile on his face. The characteristics of Squall seemed more realistic to me becuse no one is that ignorant to pain and suffering and will just brush it off happily.
Shenanagans. What FF(s) would you be referring to? For as far as I know, that juicy tidbit of nonsense doesn’t apply to any of the FF’s.
I disagree with you ther I believe he goes from a person that’s been scarred and hardened because of it to a indivdual who is learning to love and to trust people again, by the end of the 2nd disk right before the Galbladia Garden battle when he is told to speak you see a new voice of a confident strong person rather than is normal "…" stature.
Um, no. He spoke before the Galbadia battle because he was pretty much made to. And as soon as he finishes, he goes right back to the same old jerk-off Squall. Need you be reminded of how he needs to be talked into saving Rinoa? And then when they finally do the whole lovey-dovey thing in the Ragnarok, he pushes her away. Yep, brand-new Squall!
I never said that was any particular FF just that is not what he did
Um, no. He spoke before the Galbadia battle because he was pretty much made to. And as soon as he finishes, he goes right back to the same old jerk-off Squall. Need you be reminded of how he needs to be talked into saving Rinoa? And then when they finally do the whole lovey-dovey thing in the Ragnarok, he pushes her away. Yep, brand-new Squall!Yes, he was forced to talk but his words were serious non-the-less. I fail to see how he was still the same jerk-off seeing as after that Rinoa went into a comatose state, and you coud see he was now more emotional he always went to visit, he walked all the way to esthar just to get a cure for her, that seems pretty emotional to me. And the Ragnarok scene he did push her off at first but that was followed by like a three minute hug and a kiss.
Double shenanagans, then, for the baseless nonsense.
Yes, he was forced to talk but his words were serious non-the-less. I fail to see how he was still the same jerk-off seeing as after that Rinoa went into a comatose state, and you coud see he was now more emotional he always went to visit, he walked all the way to esthar just to get a cure for her, that seems pretty emotional to me. And the Ragnarok scene he did push her off at first but that was followed by like a three minute hug and a kiss.
It only happens when Rinoa goes vegetable on him, and then what little happens all happens at once. And you talk about realism. The extent of Squall’s development is his development of a hard-on for Rinoa. The rest of the cast had even less development. You fail.
sorry just expressing my opinion :-\
Hehe, fair enough.
LR still beating a dead horse I see
Unfortunately, yes.
Don’t you just love the way Lionheart Reborn persists in shitting up the thread with his moronic assertions of things that have already been proven conclusively to be wrong?
Fix’d.
OMFG HAX!!!
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haha lol n00b!1!!111one!1twelv!1eleven11!!11
Anyway. Your taunt is like a fart in the breeze, stinks and quick to pass. Now be a good little tyke, toddle off and do your wanking somewhere other than here. You’re a failure and will always be. You may die now.