How many times have we been over this?
And Disney makes good movies :rolleyes: .
FF7 is the best game in the series.
ffix is the best game in the series…
ffx is the best game in the series…
ffvi is the best game in the series…
ffxii is the best game in the series…although still not released…
but i’m guessing vii probably made the most money b/c of ppl who just bought it for no reason like mankind
There’s nothing wrong with it, but it is suited better for kids. I do like it personally, but I don’t make a big thing out of it…
Sefirot is leik the koolest vilen eva!!!!!!!111
Lol DW that just doesn’t suit you :p
Short answer to thread question:
Play some of the other games (wld recommend either FF6, FF9 or FF10) and the answer will be revealed!
However since, as a result of playing other of the games and thinking properly about what went into FF7’s creation my outlook on it has completely changed.
I think FF9 puts it to absolute shame, as does FF6, from what i’ve played of both so far. I’ve found both alot more fun and interesting to play.
Best rpg, Chrono Trigger!!!
And 7 is great even though sometimes you’re confused with the plot line- I guess you’re meant to be though.
And 7 is great even though sometimes you’re confused with the plot line- I guess you’re meant to be though.
missnox, you love akira toriyama art work?…
cool, then i guess you should play dragon quest 8 too…
most critics give it 5 out of 5…
cool, then i guess you should play dragon quest 8 too…
most critics give it 5 out of 5…
Is that the journey of the cursed king??? Because if so then I love that game!
And yes, Akira Toriyama is great, I just completed my collection of dragonball mangas!!
this topic as been brought up loads of time’s lol.
And Mexicans.
Yeah, that’s true but my guess is that alot of people will just come in, post something moronic about FF7 being good, and then leave.
Tell me, Nostradamus, what do you see in my future?
What are the odds of that happening? lol
but FFX is recycle-able garbage
and FFXI is an MMO
btw
This game is pretty amazing, but It’s not my fave:P
My favorite game og all time is OoT, but I don’t mean your an idiot if you don’t agreed with me.
I think its one of those rare cases where graphics actually does make a difference.
And dont say FF7s fmvs were the best, because the in battle graphics where much better, the characters didnt look like bombermen.
But the thing is (assuming you actually read this), popularity doesn’t always equal quality. The current US President won a majority of the popular vote in ’04. Few (if any) would call him a great president. Anyway.
I personally think FF7 is better than FF6 to all those that say FF6 is the best.
I think its one of those rare cases where graphics actually does make a difference.
And dont say FF7s fmvs were the best, because the in battle graphics where much better, the characters didnt look like bombermen.
Pray, why do the graphics make such a difference? Is it because FFVII’s broken battle/character building system is completely outclassed by FFVI’s? Or is it because FFVI’s story actually takes a bit of time to develop most of the characters, as opposed to FFVII’s convoluted story, full of half-developed characters (with one or two notable exceptions)?
I can admit it. lol
I think its one of those rare cases where graphics actually does make a difference.
And dont say FF7s fmvs were the best, because the in battle graphics where much better, the characters didnt look like bombermen.
This is a case where its an opinion of what u prefer. Crappy 3d gaphics or great 2d graphics? I like better good 2d graphics but u prefer 3d ones 😉
About the FMVs. Didnt get what u mean. That 7’s are bad or good?
So, that’s what’s wrong with VII. Just in case I was supposed to take this seriously. If this is a joke, pie.
Anyways FF7 wasn’t bad it could have been way better, but even the best plans have their downfalls.
Graphics: Nonsenscicle bull. All 3d games that came out in FF7 era totally owned FF7s graphics why you might ask? I really don’t know, no FF graphics were as bad as 7’s, but it was FF first 3d game so much was expected.
Story: Sort of slow to build up but eventually it snowballs, not edge-of-your-seat-OMG type of way, but snowballs into a mediocre story.
Battle System: Nothing new magic summons weapon changes just like any other FF. Materia… the most confusing thing ever not only do you level your magic up but you level up your materia, just so you can use another stronger spell. Not to mention the limitation of the amount of things you may want to be able to do in battle, not only did materia stifle magic growth, but it also stifled certain abilities.
The Characters: Were hollow to me but so were a lot of rpg characters back then, I didn’t feel like they cared about anything, just like they were there just because the writers wrote them in there. How can cloud just jump off a bus, fight two random gaurds, meet a mysterious guy, and just cooperate with his demands. That’s what I got from it or did I miss something?
Overall I think ff7 was good, it’s just that the way people can just throw themselves over a mediocre game and proclaim it the best ever, just baffles me.
that’s the most sensible thing you’ve ever said.
However the hype carried it a lot further than it deserved to go.
I can see that 6 pushed the snes much further than 7 pushed the psone.
Maybe it would be fairer to compare 4 to 7, 5 to 8 and 6 to 9, because they were released 1st 2nd and third on their consoles.
However the hype carried it a lot further than it deserved to go.
I can see that 6 pushed the snes much further than 7 pushed the psone.
Maybe it would be fairer to compare 4 to 7, 5 to 8 and 6 to 9, because they were released 1st 2nd and third on their consoles.
FF7 had the worst grahics and lesss detailed FMVs at its time. Just check games that came out in 97.
meh, graphics aren’t everything in my eyes…
although yeah, I do kinda agree, it’d be nice if Cloud’s head wasn’t as big as his torso… >_>
but hey, if graphics were everything, no body would even bother to keep replaying classics anymore… cuz… y’know… compared to today’s graphics… it’s like… a crystal vs. mud. but although graphics play a role in making a game good or not… it’s not everything…
Which has exactly what to do with the topic at hand?
although yeah, I do kinda agree, it’d be nice if Cloud’s head wasn’t as big as his torso… >_>
but hey, if graphics were everything, no body would even bother to keep replaying classics anymore… cuz… y’know… compared to today’s graphics… it’s like… a crystal vs. mud. but although graphics play a role in making a game good or not… it’s not everything…
Yes i know what you mean, i just want to point it because some people say the graphics were perfect for its time 🙂
I dont think its a bit fair to compare those games really. 7 > 4 , 5> 8 and as for 9 and 6… well ive played 9 again a while ago and I have to say that its certainly one of the best but so is 6 so 9 = 6.
ATOM NARMOR THEY NEED A BOSS LIKE PRINCE NAMOR
HP LIKE 3,342,344,100
MP LIKE 1,111,111,111
HE WOULD HAVE THREE ATTACKS THAT DEAL 99,999 DAMAGE TO EVERYBODY ON SCREEN
GOOD BOSS IMO
HP LIKE 3,342,344,100
MP LIKE 1,111,111,111
HE WOULD HAVE THREE ATTACKS THAT DEAL 99,999 DAMAGE TO EVERYBODY ON SCREEN
GOOD BOSS IMO
Why dont people with ideas like yours work for square 🙁
LIEZ!
OH NOES! ITZ PRAK! Flee my fanboy children!!
I honestly don’t know where you got that from. FF7 and FF8 are the best games in the series if you look past FF7’s sucky graphics. But I don’t know what’s worse: FF7’s Graphics or Rinoa. But that’s not the point. FF7 is considered the best game by many people. Just because one person hates it doesn’t mean it’s instantly a bad game. Like how just because 1000’s buy a game doesn’t automatically make it awesome.
I just don’t know where you got that idea from…
In fact, the concensus among many of the older members is that FFVII and FFVIII were absolutely terrible.
I honestly don’t know where you got that from. FF7 and FF8 are the best games in the series if you look past FF7’s sucky graphics. But I don’t know what’s worse: FF7’s Graphics or Rinoa. But that’s not the point. FF7 is considered the best game by many people. Just because one person hates it doesn’t mean it’s instantly a bad game. Like how just because 1000’s buy a game doesn’t automatically make it awesome.
I just don’t know where you got that idea from…
There is a difference between a fact and an opinion. In your opinion ff7 is good game but in facts it has many flows. Prak is right, the game here is criticized a lot (and in some point ending in fights) and ff8 is criticized a lot too. But come on ff8 and ff7 are not the best games in the series! I dont see anything original on them with exception the battle systems (8’s sucks).
I am ffvii fanboy
see ffvii cool seph is the man i cried when aeris died um what else they say anybody know
but really suikoden ii is better please play that instead everybody
he has this really long sword and he could kill u all lol
ive never played suikoden. Its THAT good?
Now, I don’t take as strong a view as Prak or Smokey in regards of thinking its a bad game. I know its flawed, however I still enjoy playing it, and since it was my first rpg, I guess that counts for something. Nostalgia or whatever you want to call it.
Im rubbing off on you bryan. :p
You’re talking crap. The production values on ff7 are quite obvious.
Ever played fifa 98 (made in 1997) it looks crap. I can’t think of many psone games released in 1997.
Also square enix have a cgi studio so how can their fmvs be worse quality than other games?
yes compared to ff8 and ff9 they are the worst. But other games from 1997? nope.
Ever played fifa 98 (made in 1997) it looks crap. I can’t think of many psone games released in 1997.
Also square enix have a cgi studio so how can their fmvs be worse quality than other games?
yes compared to ff8 and ff9 they are the worst. But other games from 1997? nope.
Square Enix wasn’t the only company back then to have a CGI studio, if they did. And there are games that looked better than FFVII. So don’t even say that there isn’t a single game that doesn’t surpass the game with its looks.
Vagrant Story also looks a heck of a lot better, from what little I’ve played (yes, it’s on my wish list, right behind SO2). Also, Tekken 2 was released in August, 1996, and its graphics are easily better than FFVII’s.
As for FFVII, my stance has changed since I’ve played it last. While I no longer think it the worst FF of the series to date, it’s by no means better than average.
You’re talking crap. The production values on ff7 are quite obvious.
See my Tekken 2 remark above. Also, the production values? Yes, they’re quite obvious–just look at the FMV at the end of disc 1, which most fans consider the defining moment of the game. They can’t even keep a certain character’s attire consistent.
Vagrant Story was released in 2000, 3 years after FFVII. By this point PSX graphics had been heavily refined (eg compare FFVII with FFIX). While it’s true that Tekken 2 does look a whole lot nicer than FFVII, this is generally to be expected in fighting games compared to RPGs due to them being far shorter and requiring only a fraction of the character models.
Apart from that, there really isn’t much else I can contribute to this discussion. Any flaws I would have pointed out in this game have already been stated here; a few of them multiple times.
Andyuk didn’t specify any particular genre, ftr. He also made a point about FMV’s; Tekken 2’s were far better than FFVII’s–Tekken 2 had plenty of FMV’s, as well. There was the intro FMV, and one "ending" for each of the 20-plus characters.
I dont see how Tekken having better graphics makes FF7 a bad game.
Lets knock it up a notch. BAM!
And not being comparable to a fighting game.
There ya go.
the only game in the series i had a problem with was ii, and that was because of the fight/point gaining system, nothing else, i think they are all great and vii is my favourite by a long way, but at the same time as i say, i’ve never touched iii, v, vi, or xi so maybe they will blow my mind when i get to them, but for now i cant see how anyone can say vii was "bad" its the reason most people in this country ever heard of any of the ff series and, as such, can not be slagged off
(in my opinion)
i mean a dog as president that is pretty awesome
fact
not just my opinion now
fact
what else um go angels
but really man final fantasy sucks so much suikoden is the stuff i can’t get enough of man
suikoden
the water margin
108 stars of destiny
i mean seriously luc was a star
and yuber
and sarah
the bad guys got three stars in iii
man that is deep
b/c man luc was trying to change destiny by destroying the true wind rune because he saw the future from the rune and saw it was bad and tried to defy destiny but man cannot defy destiny or something so he though to destroy the balance in the world by destroying the true wind rune in order to try and give everybody a better future but man the chaos that could bring so then the heros man they stopped luc but really i don’t believe luc would’ve been able to do it you know he wouldn’t have done it but he was able to rid himself of the true wind rune and die like he probably wanted you know so maybe it is okay but dang luc was truly a good guy imo i mean he tried to save everybody but failed stupid hugo geddoe chris luc was the man masked bishop dang I WISH HIM THE BEST really i do the best leknaat wasn’t really in suikoden iii really i mean not at all i mean look at it she didn’t try to stop luc and luc was a star of destiny my take on it is leknaat may have wanted to see if luc could change destiny fate u know she probably knew luc was going to fail but just wanted to see i mean really i know luc said that she had a half rune and it was inferior to the true wind but imo that wouldn’t stop leknaat from helping the other true rune bearers like geddoe chris hugo sasari from destroying luc u know so all in all there was chris hugo sasari geddoe luc yuber with true runes i may have forgot one but i don’t think so this is for playable characters though i am not talking about the leader of harmonia with circle rune just so you all know
IN MY OPINION
the only game in the series i had a problem with was ii, and that was because of the fight/point gaining system, nothing else, i think they are all great and vii is my favourite by a long way, but at the same time as i say, i’ve never touched iii, v, vi, or xi so maybe they will blow my mind when i get to them, but for now i cant see how anyone can say vii was "bad" its the reason most people in this country ever heard of any of the ff series and, as such, can not be slagged off
(in my opinion)
First off, spin-offs aren’t always a huge indicator of how successful a game is. Look at Hollywood today; just about every single movie gets a sequel or two, then five spin-offs, and a director’s cut version, etc. The same can be said for video games, especially FFVII. If you want to judge success on how popular the game is, I can’t really argue that point (except argue why people blindly think its so popular and great). But a game needs to be of good quality throughout for it to be successful, and FFVII wasn’t.
Even with that said, I don’t even know why I’ve bothered with your post. You have yet to play several games of the series, and one of those happens to be an even more popular choice for best game in the series? Puh-lease
the only game in the series i had a problem with was ii, and that was because of the fight/point gaining system, nothing else, i think they are all great and vii is my favourite by a long way, but at the same time as i say, i’ve never touched iii, v, vi, or xi so maybe they will blow my mind when i get to them, but for now i cant see how anyone can say vii was "bad" its the reason most people in this country ever heard of any of the ff series and, as such, can not be slagged off
(in my opinion)
While the Professor beat me to the punch, I’ve still got to jump on this a bit, seeing as I just got off from work and have a little steam to blow off–My friend Cap’n Morgan’s helping with that, too. XD
To sum up your post in a sentence, your point is that those who criticize FFVII shouldn’t merely because of its popularity. I say that popularity doesn’t (always) equal quality. I’ve used this example at least a hundred times, but look at the current US President. Just two years ago, he won a majority (as in more than 50%) of the popular vote, which hasn’t been done since his dad won the presidency in ’88. He’s not exactly a great president. Likewise, FFVII, while incredibly popular, really isn’t nearly as great as its fans make it out to be.
In fact, the concensus among many of the older members is that FFVII and FFVIII were absolutely terrible.
Well yes, I haven’t been here very long… But even if I am an inexperienced douche, I still have my opinions and you all have yours. I’m not asking you to change your opinion to suit me because opinions is what makes us all human. But I just think that FF8 is better than FF7 because with the Junction system, you have to really think about what combinations will work. Instead of FF7’s "Here u go Cid you’re now a mage" system.
What about the "here you go Squall now you’re invincible" system?
I second that.
9999 HP long before level 50??
Crap.
I agree with this acept the Prak part cause I don’t even know him
That whole post was sarcastic, dumbass. Now you look like an idiotic fanboy and don’t even have someone to agree with you.
I think every game has something to enjoy in it, and something to hate in it….
I usually enjoy every game I play… I don’t see what’s bad about liking a game–though I do think that other people who dislike the game should be allowed to have their opinion too…
I just find it a little unsettling that some people seem to try so hard to find flaws in games and publicize them…
I know that fanboys and fangirls are sometimes a bit annoying–but I also think that trying to take away the enjoyment some people experienced isn’t very fair either….
I found FF7 an excellent game. But I’m really annoyed when some ppl who consider themselves "mature players" mock others.
U say FF7 is a great game and they say to u,nah u are just a fan-kid.
Am I being a short-sighted fankid just because I really like a game u don’t??That’s so stupid.
Accept that different ppl like different things and close the subject.
Those who say the game is rubbish gave several good reasons as to why the game is poor.
Those who say the game is good have yet to really come up with much that does not make them look like an idiot. (except perhaps in a few cases)
I have never been bashed for saying I like ff7 because i gave good reasons why I enjoyed the game. But I also agree that it is not actually as good as most people say.
sadly the majority of posters on these forums with a pro-ff7 attitude are also idiots or at least act that way.
Posters who hate ff7 are more annoying that the others.IMO at least.
Posters who hate ff7 are more annoying that the others.IMO at least.
haha, you saying that fanboys of FFVII are less annoying than people who don’t like the game.
In regard to the character of Cloud and the fact that he is "weak", they said that Cloud is a very weak person and although he is the hero he is meant to be more human than most heros who are just invincible and stuff, and they hoped that he would inspire other weak men that they can turn out strong in the end.
I have to jump to AC for a sec here to try explain what im saying.
Basically the creators wanted to do something that wasn’t done before. They decided that they wouldn’t mind the physics in the movie as long as it looked cool. They used camera angles that couldn’t be possible in real life too. Rather than making the characters as real looking as in TSW they wanted to keep them in the world of FF7 and said if they wanted them to look real then they would be as well off just shooting the thing. Everything they did was different to what most films would be made like which is why people who were judging it against other films, such as Prak here, thought it was rubbish and complained about stuff like that.
So what im saying is, FF7 is different to most games because of the anything goes attitude of the creators. So what I think is people who look at this game criticaly and judge it off of other games will think its rubbish yet anyone who just plays it and actually follows the story will see that it is a very good game and has no plot holes. Hohoho see what I did there?
This retard here is a shining example of why philosophy, analysis, rationality and "thinking" is a lost art nowadays. Congratulations, you Darwin awards reject, you’ve just broke the forum record for "most stupid poster" in the year 2006. Your mother must be proud. :rolleyes:
And DW, there’s a difference between bending physics to make the action look cooler and completely shitting on physics altogether and being lazy. Also the camera shots make the action almost impossible to follow, also can be attributed to laziness.
Basically the creators wanted to do something that wasn’t done before. They decided that they wouldn’t mind the physics in the movie as long as it looked cool.
That attitude is generally not acceptable. Being different just for the sake of being different is never sufficient justification.
They used camera angles that couldn’t be possible in real life too.
They also didn’t stop to think about whether they should. A lot of the shots in the movie were ridiculous, showing nothing relevant at all in a place where a more conventional shot would have conveyed the point better.
Rather than making the characters as real looking as in TSW they wanted to keep them in the world of FF7 and said if they wanted them to look real then they would be as well off just shooting the thing.
Bullshit. They wanted to make it more cheaply. You can tell that because of the hair on the characters. Compare the follicle counts. AC’s characters only have a fraction of the hair follicles that TSW’s characters had. No matter what style they were going for, that’s a dead giveaway.
Everything they did was different to what most films would be made like which is why people who were judging it against other films, such as Prak here, thought it was rubbish and complained about stuff like that.
Paradigms exist for a reason. The established rules of filmmaking do not change simply because someone thinks different is a good idea. The pure fact of the matter is that they ignored the concept of putting the camera where it needs to be to best show the events depicted. Another fact is that they blatantly made heavy use of deus ex machina, which is a severe flaw in storytelling of any form.
So the creator comes along and gives their reasons for the camera angles and the physics and you just say its just laziness. You have to be right, sure what would they know :rolleyes:
@ Prak: Why do you always post when i do? I shall watch the DVD again and reply to this in a while. Dinner and homework calls!
I’ve said it’s bad 6,000 times as well. The fact of the matter is this; more people have claimed FFVII is so excellent and should be on a pedestal much higher than just about every other game in existence, but have provided <B>nothing</B> in terms of viable reasons why it is a quality game.
And something isn’t good cos advertisements, moronic critics say so, jftr.
If possible i would advise watching that bonus disc and let you make up you’re own mind from that.
That attitude is generally not acceptable. Being different just for the sake of being different is never sufficient justification.
Being a fantasy style movie they don’t have to give a damn about the physics anyway.
They also didn’t stop to think about whether they should. A lot of the shots in the movie were ridiculous, showing nothing relevant at all in a place where a more conventional shot would have conveyed the point better.
We’ve been through this before actually and I recall proving you wrong(With help from Giga Flare). Why not point me to a few scenes where you think this is true?
Bullshit. They wanted to make it more cheaply. You can tell that because of the hair on the characters. Compare the follicle counts. AC’s characters only have a fraction of the hair follicles that TSW’s characters had. No matter what style they were going for, that’s a dead giveaway.
They wanted to keep the characters looking like they did in the game somewhat. If Mr.T played Barret then I think the film may have been very different… You know I havent a clue what follicle counts are but perhaps you could enlighten me and show me an example of the follicle counts in TSW and AC.
Paradigms exist for a reason. The established rules of filmmaking do not change simply because someone thinks different is a good idea. The pure fact of the matter is that they ignored the concept of putting the camera where it needs to be to best show the events depicted. Another fact is that they blatantly made heavy use of deus ex machina, which is a severe flaw in storytelling of any form.
Once again im not familiar with the established rules of filmmaking but perhaps you could show me a site or something that would make them clear to me. Surely you must have found these rules somewhere or did you make the rules yourself?
Not gonna happen. That would involve paying money for it since I don’t know anyone who owns it, and I’m not paying money for it.
Being a fantasy style movie they don’t have to give a damn about the physics anyway.
I never said they should keep the physics realistic. My problem is that they don’t keep them consistent. The rules of physics change from scene to scene depending on the whims of the director and what he thinks would look cool at a given moment.
We’ve been through this before actually and I recall proving you wrong(With help from Giga Flare). Why not point me to a few scenes where you think this is true?
As I recall, you were never able to counter this point. However, as an example, I’d point out to you the single instance of this that I remember somewhat clearly. If I’m not mistaken, the location is called the forgotten capital or something like that. Cloud was fighting with one of the silver haired guys and one of them (Cloud or the other guy) jumps at the other and it shows an extreme close-up of the landing and the scuffle afterwards. Then, a moment later, one of them is flung away. You cannot make out any of what happened because it was simply a blur of black-on-black motion. Therefore, the entire shot was a waste of time. It failed miserably to depict the actions it was supposed to be showing.
I noted several other instances of similar failures at key moments, but cannot remember them clearly enough now to debate them.
They wanted to keep the characters looking like they did in the game somewhat. If Mr.T played Barret then I think the film may have been very different… You know I havent a clue what follicle counts are but perhaps you could enlighten me and show me an example of the follicle counts in TSW and AC.
Follicle count refers to the amount of individual hairs each character has. In TSW, the average follicle count was roughly half of the human norm, which was very impressive for CG characters. The AC characters only had roughly 1/30 to 1/40 of the human norm. This is a factor that does not contribute to making it look like the game (unless you think they were trying to make Cloud look like his hair was made of plastic), so it demonstrates a lack of effort.
Once again im not familiar with the established rules of filmmaking but perhaps you could show me a site or something that would make them clear to me. Surely you must have found these rules somewhere or did you make the rules yourself?
You will not find a clear definition of them outside of a film school or a discussion with an experienced (not to mention skilled) director, I’m afraid. However, the basic gist of the paradigms of proper filming is that the camera should always show exactly what the viewer needs to see in order to fully understand what they’re looking at. The only exceptions are for shots that are intentionally meant to deceive viewers. That’s why rapid cuts and strange camera angles are typically detrimental.
The Spirits Within animated each hair strand more individually than FFVII: AC did…
Mm, but I still think it was a wonderful work of art, and I can enjoy it….
It’s the same way I feel about FFVII….
I’ve said it’s bad 6,000 times as well. The fact of the matter is this; more people have claimed FFVII is so excellent and should be on a pedestal much higher than just about every other game in existence, but have provided nothing in terms of viable reasons why it is a quality game.
It’s like both our sides are looking at a painting…
You’re saying, "Can’t you see the flaws? They’re all over the place!"
And the others are saying, "But its cool!" (>> Before you say anything, I left out the apostrophe on purpose)
And then you guys repeat the same thing over and over….
I see FFVII’s flaws, but I still think it’s beautiful, even with its flaws….
I’m sure you guys won’t say that the game isn’t ground-breaking, right…?
There’s a very large following to this game, too–there are other games just as ‘crappy and simple-minded’ as FFVII, but they don’t have as large of a following….
So there must be something in FFVII…
And I think it’s something wonderful…! FFVII is about hope more than anything else…about seeing something repulsive, disgusting, …seeing horrible flaws in the world around you…and still retaining hope….
If you think that sort of thinking is reckless and stupid, pointless and just poising yourself for disappointment, maybe you wouldn’t like FFVII…
And if you think that way…then that means you’ve once hoped before and it was disastrous.
….
Even so….
Don’t be afraid to hope again!
It might not be the safest thing to do, of course, but giving up hope will leave you stuck….You be able to go anywhere anymore….
Have confidence! Don’t be so doubtful of yourself….
Also, the rest of that post was total bullshit.
I wasn’t trying to be offensive to you….
But I really do think FF7 was ground-breaking…! It was what brought RPGs to the forefront, like you’ve said.
What’s not ground breaking about that…?
I wasn’t trying to be offensive to you….
But I really do think FF7 was ground-breaking…! It was what brought RPGs to the forefront, like you’ve said.
What’s not ground breaking about that…?
The advertising and marketing did.
I’ve never personally seen any of the marketing for it myself (I was too young), so I can’t argue that that’s the reason that I got it.
My father was an RPG collector, and FFVII was just another one of the games he got….
Maybe its massive success in marketing IS why FFVII is thought of as "ground-breaking"…. maybe its marketing is the reason it was a success….
There’s no way to prove that it wouldn’t have been successful if it wasn’t marketed, anyway…. ><
Do you think it would have been as successful if it wasn’t marketed as well?
I see….
Was FFVI well-marketed? (I’m not sure of the details)
Since I wouldn’t say people pretend it doesn’t exist.
There isn’t a single Final Fantasy that we pretend doesn’t exist.
FFVII would just receive a lot less love, and a lot less hate if it hadn’t been marketed so well.
That’s just not true.
I’ve met a lot of FF7 lovers in my country and there was not a single advertisement back then,not even now.
I loved FF7 since the first time I played it and I realised that it was so popular only after I started surfing on the Internet(almost 4 years after I played and loved the game). There I was very pleased to know that there are a lot of ppl like me. 😛
I’ve met a lot of FF7 lovers in my country and there was not a single advertisement back then,not even now.
I loved FF7 since the first time I played it and I realised that it was so popular only after I started surfing on the Internet(almost 4 years after I played and loved the game). There I was very pleased to know that there are a lot of ppl like me. 😛
It’s an indirect result of advertising, since it’s pushed so much, lots of copies of the game were printed, and thus affected the choice when choosing a PSX game when the stores are filled to the brim with copies of the game.
I’ve met a lot of FF7 lovers in my country and there was not a single advertisement back then,not even now.
Calling bullshit on that.
I guess "politeness" is a word with no meaning to u.
EDIT: none of this ”u” balls here please, it’s infuriating to read.
Try backing up your statements, and if you’re gonna defend the game, thats what you need to do. Also, I wasn’t rude at all, in comparison to a lot of people.
I’m tired of defending the game. At least to me, u have not good enough reasons to call it mediocre.Most of u were fans of this game and after a while started finding flaws. Or compare it with other ff games. That’s just wrong to me. U must judge something according to it’s time frame.Yes, the game back then was ground shaking.Maybe now it is not. But it was. The majority of ppl, PSX magazines admit this. Most ppl started being RPG players after playing FF7.
And that "marketing and advertising" sounds very strange to me. In my country ps games aren’t being advertised. Not now, not never.
I bought the game because I saw it was an RPG and had 3 CDs.The longer the game, the better. First game I’ve ever played on PSX. Since then I’ve played a lot of games. But no game after this gave me the sensation FF7 gave me.
And believe me,most ppl in this forum are rude. Extremely cynical AND rude.
This has been disproven so many times. It’s not even funny anymore.
And believe me,most ppl in this forum are rude. Extremely cynical AND rude.
That’s the whole allure of being a member.
>< Yeah…I agree….=(
I don’t know why they have to be so cynical, though…! They just see things differently than some people, and find flaws where they believe other people haven’t….
There’s nothing wrong with having a viewpoint that might be seen as upsetting or depressing to others or anything like that. Just be mindful of how your viewpoints may affect others…!
Mm, if you want to share an opinion that you know will be upsetting to others, it’s not my place to step in your way and tell you that you can’t….
Because I think you should be allowed to share those sorts of things! Those things can be burdensome if you just keep them to yourself.
Of course, it’s also not your place to tell another that they have no right to be upset–especially if you shared your opinion knowing that it would be upsetting….
If you didn’t know it would be upsetting, then it’s alright–I think it’s important to realize that it was and apologize if you want to….
But I think if you didn’t know it would be upsetting to others, you wouldn’t be using a cynical tone in the first place….
EDIT:
That’s the whole allure of being a member.
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Am I reading that right…?
(Do you mean that you are cynical and rude so that people will sign up to say things…? ….>>
Because that’s like….TOTALLY what I did.)
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Am I reading that right…?
(Do you mean that you are cynical and rude so that people will sign up to say things…? ….>>
Because that’s like….TOTALLY what I did.)
No, I’m cynical and rude, because it is deserved, and because it’s allowed. We’d all be banned on any other Forum before you could say "hardass."
I’m tired of defending the game. At least to me, you have not good enough reasons to call it mediocre.Most of you were fans of this game and after a while started finding flaws. Or compare it with other ff games. That’s just wrong to me. You must judge something according to it’s time frame.Yes,I truly believe that the game back then was ground shaking.Maybe now it is not. But it was. The majority of people, PSX magazines admit this. Most people started being RPG players after playing FF7.
And that "marketing and advertising" sounds very strange to me. In my country ps games aren’t being advertised. Not now, not never. And no, I’ve never seen so many copies in a store. Even if this were happening is just not reason enough to say that advertisements made the game popular.
I bought the game because I saw it was an RPG and had 3 CDs.The longer the game, the better. First game I’ve ever played on PSX. Since then I’ve played a lot of games. But no game after this gave me the sensation FF7 gave me. I can’t explain clearly this. I feel about it a mix of nostalgia and admiration…Something like this. It touched me. Yes, that’s a proper explanation. Not many games are able to do something like this. And no, it had little to do with the characters, if Prak has anything to protest(and I’m sure he has.)
And darkiss, you need to earn your respect here
And you know something? I demand respect. Or at least I believe that people must be polite when they answer. Only because I had expressed a different opinion I had been called "cunt" and "retarded". Is that sane? I was taught to respect people when they something different and try to understand them.
And believe me,most people in this forum are rude. Extremely cynical AND rude.
Sorry pal, but in my college studies it’s the first thing I’ve been taught. "Always judge something according to it’s time frame."
And maybe these reasons aren’t good enough for you as your reasons for callling this game mediocre aren’t good enough for me.
All I know for sure is that there are a lot of people who perfectly understand what am I saying.
There isn’t a single thing that people say that "doesn’t make sense"–everything has a logical process, or an explanation…
Even people who are in asylums have a reason for thinking the way they do, and can make sense….
All it takes is some effort to try to make sense of them….
I think time isn’t something everyone has, though….but it doesn’t hurt, once in a while, to listen….
The only reason it’s difficult to listen to people who are rude and cynical is because it’s often the case that they won’t listen back….
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But it doesn’t hurt once in a while, too, to listen to the cynical and rude people…because they usually have something that they really do want to say, even behind the cynicism and rudeness….
Tired of failing miserably you mean? Also, if you’re tired of doing it, that suggests you do it a lot. Not as many die-hard fans as you made out is there?
At least to me, u have not good enough reasons to call it mediocre.
Have you not read one word of what people who think it’s a mediocre game have said? This whole hands in ears, im not listening bullshit is exactly why the fans of this game get a bad name. There are many people here, who like the game, conceed it is flawed, but still enjoy it on a personal level(me being one).
Most of u were fans of this game and after a while started finding flaws. Or compare it with other ff games. That’s just wrong to me.
It’s ‘you’ not ‘u’. Also, what the fuck is wrong with looking at something objectively. Nothing.
U must judge something according to it’s time frame.Yes, the game back then was ground shaking.Maybe now it is not. But it was. The majority of ppl, PSX magazines admit this. Most ppl started being RPG players after playing FF7.
Inane rubbish.
And that "marketing and advertising" sounds very strange to me. In my country ps games aren’t being advertised. Not now, not never.
And this…..
I bought the game because I saw it was an RPG and had 3 CDs.The longer the game, the better. First game I’ve ever played on PSX. Since then I’ve played a lot of games. But no game after this gave me the sensation FF7 gave me.
That’s fair enough, no-one has a problem with that. You aren’t understanding however, that personal taste and quality are two entirely different things.
And believe me,most ppl in this forum are rude. Extremely cynical AND rude.
Oh look, ff7 fanboy can’t handle people challenging his opinions, we’ve never seen that before. :rolleyes:
At least call me a fangirl…
There are a lot of die-hard fans here. I don’t know if you have noticed, but it’s the most active forum of all the other ffs.
I may fail persuade you that this game isn’t as bad as you say. But you fail to persuade me that it is.
I understand that quality and personal taste are 2 differenent things. In such arguments it’s pretty obvious. I’m just saying that ff7 "haters" overdo it.Calling it "mediocre" and "terrible" are just too much in my opinion. Just say it is not as good as most people say. The game has flaws and I can freely talk about them. But they don’t keep me from enjoying and loving this game.
And aren’t good enough to call it"terrible".
Inane rubbish? Sorry, isn’t you who said that the game became popular because of advertising? I just said that I am not a victim of the advertisements. Such as all ff7 fans in my country.And believe me there are a lot.
Oh, and something else. I’ve never made a thread saying "Oh, FF7 is perfect, the most perfect game ever." Instead I see a lot of threads bashing on FF7, it is bad because this, it is bad because that. Too much involvement for a "mediocre" game, don’t you think? If you don’t like it, just say it once and stop there…
Oh look, ff7 fanboy can’t handle people challenging his opinions, we’ve never seen that before.
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Umm….Do you think you aren’t being cynical or rude….?
Sorry…but…>< That’s a bit too much….
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Umm….Do you think you aren’t being cynical or rude….?
Sorry…but…>< That’s a bit too much….
Most people here are both cynical and rude. But after a while you don’t care much.
But I do hope they at least notice they’re cynical and rude…
Or else the problem wasn’t what I thought it was at first….
I do not know. You tell me.
with long hair.
too much coffee ice cream
suikoden v = suikoden II > suikoden II > suikoden I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> final fantasy anything > suikoden iv
with long hair.
Sephiroth and Vincent no doubt lol.
I roffled. Fuck off, you stupid cunt.
In the Kingdom of Rude-Idiots you would be the King, Prak.
Feel sorry for you.
Feel sorry for you.
Wow great comeback…NOT fucktard don’t even fight you already lost
If you truly believe the game has flaws, why do you get so uptight when people call it mediocre, when its flaws are what make it so? If you truly understood the difference between actual quality and personal taste, then you would acknowledge that the game isn’t really that great, but that’s okay because you absolutely love it.
Yes,I truly believe that the game back then was ground shaking.Maybe now it is not. But it was. The majority of people, PSX magazines admit this. Most people started being RPG players after playing FF7.
Except for the minor fact that it isn’t groundbreaking. There have been rpg’s before, there have been rpg’s since. There were 3-d games before FFVII, and games with better FMVs, even a year before its release. So what’s so groundbreaking about it? Its popularity? You can deny how it was advertised, but the fact is, it really was advertised like no other game, at least until GTA3. At any rate, you know that "best game ever" line that’s displayed so prominently upon the back cover of FFVII? GameFan magazine, the magazine responsible for that line, was more or less a front for a chain of gaming stores in California. I posted an article about that in another thread. Other members have also given anecdotal evidence of reviewers being more or less bribed to give games positive reviews.
Except for the minor fact that it isn’t groundbreaking. There have been rpg’s before, there have been rpg’s since. There were 3-d games before FFVII, and games with better FMVs, even a year before its release. So what’s so groundbreaking about it? Its popularity? You can deny how it was advertised, but the fact is, it really was advertised like no other game, at least until GTA3. At any rate, you know that "best game ever" line that’s displayed so prominently upon the back cover of FFVII? GameFan magazine, the magazine responsible for that line, was more or less a front for a chain of gaming stores in California. I posted an article about that in another thread. Other members have also given anecdotal evidence of reviewers being more or less bribed to give games positive reviews.
Because "mediocre"is a pretty strong negative word. I think it deserves something better. Oh, and also I’ve different opinion about what is flaw and what is not.
I never said that is the "best game ever". That would be a lie. There are better games nowdays but they just did not give the sensation this game gave me. I did not know that the game was so popular until I started reading magazines or surfing the Internet. And this was a long time after I played and loved it.
I’d like to see the article you are saying…Remember where is it?
Definition:
Mediocre
Average in quality.
Is it the game, or is it pride?
Or is it just for fun…?
The reason someone would get uptight over the word "mediocre" is because you laugh at people and then say it, or use sarcasm with it, as if it were an insult…..
And I think what Darkiss meant by the last post was that the post above theirs is "cunting bullshit".
I think wishing people would have a corollary is kind of…um….bullshit too….>>
This is the correct answer.
I was afraid that was the answer….
But it’s always the answer, for guys with attitudes like yours…!
Hmf. 😮
There are better ways at having fun! You don’t have to take it this way–…
You DO realize that you are getting fun at the cost of another person’s happiness, right?
Though it might be gratifying at the moment, and may help your ego (if you go that way), you don’t have to do it this way! Too much of this will make more people like yourself…and when there are too many people who enjoy taking happiness from others at the other person’s cost, all of you will exhaust your own "fodder".
I was afraid that was the answer….
But it’s always the answer, for guys with attitudes like yours…!
Hmf. 😮
There are better ways at having fun! You don’t have to take it this way–…
You DO realize that you are getting fun at the cost of another person’s happiness, right?
Though it might be gratifying at the moment, and may help your ego (if you go that way), you don’t have to do it this way! Too much of this will make more people like yourself…and when there are too many people who enjoy taking happiness from others at the other person’s cost, all of you will exhaust your own "fodder".
Hahahaha, and people that know me think I’M sensitive. Dear me….
Is it the game, or is it pride?
Or is it just for fun…?
The reason someone would get uptight over the word "mediocre" is because you laugh at people and then say it, or use sarcasm with it, as if it were an insult…..
And I think what Darkiss meant by the last post was that the post above theirs is "cunting bullshit".
I think wishing people would have a corollary is kind of…um….bullshit too….>>
Hey, NorseFTX got it right.
Well I guess this is my last post in this thread, because it got pointless to continue. Although I cannot understand why most ff7"haters" in here try to convince others that they are right. To me the game had quality but I guess it’s what every human regards something as "quality".And I’m not uptight only because you said that the game is mediocre and terrible. Mostly because I say something else and I’ve been called cunt,stupid,hilarious,I’m saying bullshit and so on.
I don’t understand why you call me "uptight" while you are the ones who swear like troopers. i remained calm, trying to express my opinion and support it with case by my experiance.
Different people, different minds, different opinions, I guess.
That’s all for today folks!
Masturbating is fun, doesn’t mean that it’s quality entertainment. 😛
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…I suppose…masturbating IS an alternative…but that wasn’t the kind I was thinking of…..XP
I meant like…you know…the kind where you worked for sometime on something, and then at the end, you created something that everyone and yourself can be proud of….and then you’re happy because of that…..
Mmm! The "Joy of Creation"
I think you guys are enjoying the "Joy of Destruction" right now, which …I understand, would be fun sometimes….
Just don’t overdo it…! >>
Maybe if you actually listened to what some of these ‘haters’ were saying you might learn something! It’s been proven time and time again that the people who think it’s a mediocre game have come up with far, far stronger arguements then those that love it. I’ve said it before, and i’ll say it again, I DON’T hate the game, not one bit. I know it’s flawed, very flawed, but I still enjoy it.
To me the game had quality but I guess it’s what every human regards something as "quality".
What does that even mean? Quality is quality. It doesn’t have a different definition in different parts of the world. And when you’ve been called on this ‘quality’ you haven’t been able to back yourself up.
And I’m not uptight only because you said that the game is mediocre and terrible. Mostly because I say something else and I’ve been called cunt,stupid,hilarious,I’m saying bullshit and so on.
Of course you’re going to be mocked if you can’t back yourself up.
Also, FFS SERIOUS BUSINESS. :rolleyes:
I don’t understand why you call me "uptight" while you are the ones who swear like troopers. i remained calm, trying to express my opinion and support it with case by my experiance.
Yes, i’m literally tearing whats left on my hair out. Literally………:rolleyes:
I think I understand….
This game could be seen as boring by a lot of people…><
>> But I liked it!
What does that even mean? Quality is quality. It doesn’t have a different definition in different parts of the world. And when you’ve been called on this ‘quality’ you haven’t been able to back yourself up.
I think….
Since you guys have seen people who’ve loved FF7 and called it the best many times, and you’ve seen them refute logic many times too…and this happens countless times, not just in isolated cases…..that there’s a problem outside of the debate of ‘quality’.
I said this in another topic, but I think I’ll bring it up here, too, since I think it might be relevant…
I think people enjoying FF7 and thinking it as one of the best games ever isn’t based on logic…but it’s based on an affection that was born when they first played the game. It’s just a sort of love for the game…and it’s somewhat unexplainable, since it’s not based on logic….
I’d think arguing against it with logic is a bit off of the path…you’re attacking it with something that isn’t relevant–the reason they’d say "FF7’s the best game ever" isn’t based on logic…it’s based on love.
That’s why people never have a solid, logical retort, and to you, seem to be "made fools of".
But "Logic" is only one kind of reason. There are others, too. I can’t refute…the fact that "Love" is one of the reasons people do things, too.
When you attack someone’s love for a game with logic, you’re reprising against them and their "ignorant views" with weapons that they never bore against you in the first place.
personally i did like it when i first played it, because of the size and scale and the music, it was just the kind of game i enjoyed
(but never played much due to being a megadrive owning european)
and the amount of things you can do before fighting sephiroth was fantastic at the time.
it’s aged horribly and i can now see that it has many flaws.
bad translation,
low polygon models (even compared to ff8 and ff9)
a weak battle system (materia makes life way too easy)
it’s too easy.
um…
oh and the story isn’t all that great, where it should be.
I see its flaws too…
I don’t think I’m about to abandon it just because I see new things, though….
Don’t think of FF7 itself as becoming "Worse"…it wasn’t "Aging horribly, flaws becoming apparent", since it’s not changing!
Think that things in general are becoming better!
And FF7 was another part of that path to better-ness, as all games, in some way, were…=]
I’ve always thought it’s important to respect the origin of things. (Don’t dwell on them, of course…! But don’t toss them aside, either!)
Ok…For the last time. I loved the game because of the feeling it gave me. And it’s the only game that I’ve been playing for 9 years and I still love it. It still attracts me. The CD discs have became as soft as butter from playing.
These are the flaws of the game imo:
1)Too easy sometimes. Well, most of the times. One or two levels more from the standar and no enemy could be a threat to you anymore.On top level you are invincible.
2)The graphics could be a lot better.
3)i liked the materia bettle system. But nowdays I prefer when characters have both shared and own abilities.
4)In some parts of the story the game isn’t clear. The explanations aren’t enough and sometimes it made me wonder.
5)The only characters we see what really happened(what they were thinking,or feeling, or wondering about whatever) to them during the game are Tifa and Cloud. As for the others the game gave us the info about their lives but during the game we were just seeing their actions,not understanding their thoughts very clear.That’s the thing I like in X-2 although the game wasn’t good. In every twist of the plot Yuna would give an aspect of her opinions or her motives.
Back then these flaws were invisible to me.Maybe because I was too young.
I see them today, although they do not stop me from loving and enjoying this game. That is the reason I still like and love this game and I think of it as a good game.I don’t call it mediocre or terrible because this would mean that these flaws make it un-enjoyable and irritating. But this is not happening to me. It’s "flaws" just not affect me.
Thanks Norse FTX for trying to understand both sides and for your polite responds.
I see its flaws too…
I don’t think I’m about to abandon it just because I see new things, though….
Don’t think of FF7 itself as becoming "Worse"…it wasn’t "Aging horribly, flaws becoming apparent", since it’s not changing!
Think that things in general are becoming better!
And FF7 was another part of that path to better-ness, as all games, in some way, were…=]
I’ve always thought it’s important to respect the origin of things. (Don’t dwell on them, of course…! But don’t toss them aside, either!)
if you look at it that way…then respect FF 4 and 6!
i bought FF7 when it came out and regretted every waking moment of owning the game…why?!
because i had played the before mentioned games and saw 7 as a step back from where Square had been
i SOLD FF7 as soon as i beat it and ended up using the money a couple years later to buy Valkyrie Profile which offered everything that FF7 wasn’t…
id est: hard, had an involving storyline, multiple endings, extremely interesting battle system, and a main character that doesn’t allow party members to jump out of her body
7 was boring, and i found it a chore to play through it….if it wasn’t for my friends telling me that there were insanely hard optional bosses, i wouldn’t have continued……later on, i found that these bosses could be defeated rather easily when i accidentally used dazers on them
so go ahead and argue that Cloud is the most badass Square character or that FF7 has the deepest story because one character died…i don’t care…as long as your arguments are baseless and hold no weight, i’ll continue to disregard them
I respect the older ones too, and the newer ones for the same reason. =]
I know there are some people who are kind of weird and just say that "Cloud is the best and could beat everyone else" or something like that…
But even if they’re stubborn and argue with you, after a certain point, they usually know what you’re talking about already (and probably think you’re right, too)…they just won’t say that they will change their mind, because regardless of how much proof is against them, there is no proof that can say that they don’t love the game.
That usually doesn’t come out in an argument, though, so things often get out of hand, since sometimes it’s hard to get to the heart of what you’re feeling when you’re angry….
That was mean!
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There is no such thing as a waste of your time! There’s always something you get from every moment….don’t ever feel like you’re wasting your time–don’t punish yourself like that…since you never are really wasting time!
If you’re wasting time, then your entire life could be counted as "wasting time". But that’s only one way to see things….
FF7 was a waste of my money…i sold it for less than i bought it…which is already a loss, but i eventually bought Xenogears and Valkyrie Profile…..BOTH of which are everything that FF7 is not….id est….great games
I usually enjoy every game I play, in some way….so I’ve never thought of selling my games before….
Hm. Maybe I’m too easy to please, then…? << Since I always feel like I get my money’s worth….and if that’s the case, then my opinion doesn’t count as much, since I’m so easy to impress….
I’m critical of the work of myself, but not the work others.
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I think at least you found out that you didn’t like FFVII, and you were able to get some of the money back, and find other games using that money that you enjoyed….
Your a twat!!
Manga Legend, you are a piece of shit! SHIT, you hear me! That’s all that you are! SHIT!
Oh and Prak, doesn`t it seem a waste of time and energy to write such a long reply to my post about you been a twat. Seema a little sad mate.
if he had two, he’d probably give you one so you can stop with the nonsense
Oh and Prak, doesn`t it seem a waste of time and energy to write such a long reply to my post about you been a twat. Seema a little sad mate.
To the abortion bin with you!
It must really suck been you.
Are you even capable of typing coherently? Or is the burden of clear thought and intelligence too much for your nigger ass?
Indeed. What’s the point of replying to me if they’re simply going to prove even further that I’m superior to them?
what the hell is that supposed to mean?!
Just don`t like people who think they know it all and this forum is full of em.
Well, you’ve certainly done a good job of proving you know pretty much nothing.
Just don`t like people who think they know it all and this forum is full of em.
So you have a fetish for stupidity?
Just don`t like people who think they know it all and this forum is full of em.
what the hell is that supposed to mean?!
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Haha what a stupid cunt.
Compared to the putrid bile of aborted fetuses and tubgirl’s ass juice you constantly spew out with every post you make. Our "bullshit" is practically Fancy Feast.
IOW, I’d tell you to kiss my ass and eat shit, but that’d be doing you a favour. You’re THAT pathetic, now make like an emo and jump into a running wood-chipper, head-first.
😉
ARE YOU GUYS TRADING POKEMON CARDS BEHIND MY BACK?!?!?! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQjjgZdWUw8&NR)
x2
x3. Wow.
x4
these two idiots seem stupid enough to get lost in an elevator
Why does it deserve LOL!! You must not have much to do than to just randomly pick this post and put something like LOL in it.
Brilliant.
it deserves "LOL" because it is as baseless as the other "ff7 is the best ever" arguments that float around meaninglessly on the internet
IOW, I’d tell you to kiss my ass and eat shit, but that’d be doing you a favour. You’re THAT pathetic, now make like an emo and jump into a running wood-chipper, head-first.
You come up with that all by yourself?, or did your mom help you with the spelling??
Spelling and being creative are two different things and putting ‘or’ in between doesn’t sound right. Considering le mothership may have helped with the spelling and Joan may have come up with that brilliant little insult without any outside help. It could be both, it could be neither, it could be one and not the other, so…. yeah. Shut up, you suck.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Look around you, dork!
You come up with that all by yourself?, or did your mom help you with the spelling??
That’s pretty fucking rich, coming from someone who speaks in niggerbonics. You can only wish you’re that creative and artriculate. 😉
What the fuck is niggerbonics??
What the fuck is niggerbonics??
Because your presense is a plague upon the world.
Official Niggerbonics Guide (http://www.marbleid.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=326&sid=7702fbb29184971fb8d0ac0d8cc0ad3a)
Like you ever really go out and see the world.
Or as the world disowned you cos it deems you a waste of life??
If so, then bless ya!!
What a surprise, his assumptions are wrong as always! :rolleyes:
What a surprise, his assumptions are wrong as always! :rolleyes:
I like that, cover all your bases their. We all know that you are a pathetic waste of space.
Come on, even you do. You might as well admit it, tis plain as day.
My assumptions are wrong, I`1m never wrong.
If I, of all people, am a waste of space, then by same coin, you shouldn’t be allowed to exist. But noooo! Your mother had to be a cockwhore and spawn crotchfruits like you from her vile minge.
If I, of all people, am a waste of space, then by same coin, you shouldn’t be allowed to exist.
What?, real friends? or the sort you meet on the internet cos they don`t count.
I can tell from here that you have brilliant hand-eye co-ordination skills, better aural and drawing skills because I have a magic seeing-eye computer.
The ability to argue well?, I wish I had that skill, I could be an opinionated prick like you?, I have always wanted to be one of those.
Yeah sure, if I wanted to die alone.
You know what you are?, laughable.
Who says I was talking about my internet friends? LOL
Oh and the only one supporting your cause is you alone, by that same logic, you are an opinionated prick. How’s that for pretending I have your shortcomings just because I and anyone with a sense of intelligence, dignity and self-respect are your detractors?
Who says I was talking about my internet friends? LOL
Oh and the only one supporting your cause is you alone, by that same logic, you are an opinionated prick. How’s that for pretending I have your shortcomings just because I and anyone with a sense of intelligence, dignity and self-respect are your detractors?
Like I would need someone to cover my back, how could someone like you talk about self-respect and dignity?, you clearly haven`t got any of it left otherwise you wouldn`t be talking this much shit.
Thanks for admitting, in your own terms, that you’re an opinionated prick. I find it cute when pathetic shit-bricks like you flail around when pinned to a corner.
We were talking about your stupidity. Please don’t interrupt, it’s rude.
How you are a retard.
Does it feel good in getting involved in other peoples conversations?
Why don`t you fuck off and let me keep doing that which I am doing.
Go talk to some bitter, twisted freak who gives a shit.
Does it feel good in getting involved in other peoples conversations?
Why don`t you fuck off and let me keep doing that which I am doing.
Go talk to some bitter, twisted freak who gives a shit.
Whoop Whoop retard alert.
Does it feel good in getting involved in other peoples conversations?
Why don`t you fuck off and let me keep doing that which I am doing.
Go talk to some bitter, twisted freak who gives a shit.
No no, comments like these, just makes it way too much fun to ignore. If I didn’t call out stupid people on their stupidity, I would feel guilty for not upholding my end of performing public service. If only I didn’t forget my laser pointer… 🙁
I s`pose so. I don`t think you should feel guilty though.
I don`t think the public cares.
I don`t think the public cares.
Well, I have nothing to be guilty of. I addressed your utter lack of residual common sense, and people, I’m sure, have read it. Was that not clear?
and before you play the "it’s not your discussion" card…look at the thread title, you’re the one that threw this thread way off topic
and before you play the "it’s not your discussion" card…look at the thread title, you’re the one that threw this thread way off topic
Valid point, fuck off.
I don’t think you need to do that. It’s just…embarrassing…when people go and point out obvious things like others’ stupidity when others don’t need you pointing it out to see it. It’s a bit insulting to others, actually, if you feel you need to point out stupidity for others to see it…..><
<< I don’t mean to be too insulting to you, Manga Legend….
I think you don’t need to pay attention to these people or listen to them…since it’s not in their habit to listen to others either….
hahaha
the idiot’s best comeback is "fuck off", like that hasn’t been used before
Leave Manga Legend alone! That’s all he’s asking right now….
Is that asking too much…?
<< I don’t mean to be too insulting to you, Manga Legend….
I think you don’t need to pay attention to these people or listen to them…since it’s not in their habit to listen to others either….
Thanks mate, it`s nice to know someone on here makes sense.
Leave Manga Legend alone! That’s all he’s asking right now….
Is that asking too much…?
he wants to be left alone?!
if you ask me, it looks as if he likes to spite others with gramatically unsound posts that tell others to "fuck off"
if you ask me, it looks as if he likes to spite others with gramatically unsound posts that tell others to "fuck off"
No, I`ll only tell you to fuck off if your talking shit. You only started with me cos you didn`t like what I posted about someone else.
Just trying to brown-nose so Prak or Joan Michele don`t take a dislike to you and insult you with big words too. Well you need to get yourself a backbone and form your own opinions instead of jumping on the bandwagon like a spineless wimp.
Suck up.
if you ask me, it looks as if he likes to spite others with gramatically unsound posts that tell others to "fuck off"
>>
He’s only spiting you guys because he feels insulted…
But "fuck off" does mean "get off my back"….
Just trying to brown-nose so Prak or Joan Michele don`t take a dislike to you and insult you with big words too. Well you need to get yourself a backbone and form your own opinions instead of jumping on the bandwagon like a spineless wimp.
Suck up.
where in these forums was i brown-nosing pray tell?
and if being intelligent and locial qualifies for being on a bandwagon, i’d be glad to stay on than join "free-thinking" individuals like yourself
<<
I think the bandwagon is "cynicism and pleasure in stupidity"….
Hm, but I don’t want to oversimplify…
And in truth, z.zetsumei can be a wonderful person! Though I don’t know Manga Legend as well, I’m sure he can be too….
>> Hmf. I leave for Thanksgiving for a little while and things get like this….
I thought better of you guys!!
XD
Um, alright–I’ve got to go to class….
I’ll be back!! And if you guys aren’t handing each other flowers when I come back (No putting bombs in the bouquets) you’re in deep trouble!!!
this is for Manga Legend:
Agreement and concurrence does not equate to brown-nosing
i could have easily said that you and Norse are sucking up to each other, but i didn’t because of the fact that like-minded individuals will say similar things and tend to agree with one another
Norse FTX : If he wants people to get off his back, and him acting like a retard is the cause of it. it’s pretty obvious that all he has to do is to stop acting like one. Since it’s too late to save face here in this mess of a thread he’s made, that would entail not posting here, or probably the rest of the forum, and go to EoFF where he’s more readily accepted. So your advice is invalid.
Z.Zetsumei : You could have done a lot better. Tidy up your typing and be more creative.
Manga Legend : Grow a brain.
That is all.
That is all.
kinda hard to type stuff, take lecture notes, and be creative at the same time in Molecular Cell Biology =P
Norse FTX : If he wants people to get off his back, and him acting like a retard is the cause of it. it’s pretty obvious that all he has to do is to stop acting like one. Since it’s too late to save face here in this mess of a thread he’s made, that would entail not posting here, or probably the rest of the forum, and go to EoFF where he’s more readily accepted. So your advice is invalid.
Z.Zetsumei : You could have done a lot better. Tidy up your typing and be more creative.
Manga Legend : Grow a brain.
That is all.
Don`t you ever bored of posting the same shit?, your insults are lame and samey and stop having a go at peoples typing and I don`t feel as if I have to save face.
I`m not the loser here.
Yes, yes you are.
he’s just in denial
As if you didn’t start all that yourself :rolleyes:
OH NO! HE HAS ACTIVATED A QUICK-PLAY SPELL CARD!
IT IS TOO POWERFUL A CARD!
><
I hope I’m doing what I’m trying to do….maybe it’s not helping, though….>>
But regardless, I want to try my best…
Ahahaha, oh look, a congregation of morons! The three of you pull your dicks out of each others’ mouths and start talking sense.
XP
That part wasn’t necessary in your post…>>
All it does is distract from the rest of what you’re trying to say. ><
EDIT: Hm. Maybe what I said isn’t completely right….
That part also "puts yourself above" the three of us.
Norse FTX : If he wants people to get off his back, and him acting like a retard is the cause of it. it’s pretty obvious that all he has to do is to stop acting like one. Since it’s too late to save face here in this mess of a thread he’s made, that would entail not posting here, or probably the rest of the forum, and go to EoFF where he’s more readily accepted. So your advice is invalid.
I think that "him acting like a retard" isn’t the whole reason why he wants you to get off his back…
Though it’s partly his responsibility that you guys are bothering him, there wouldn’t BE anyone to bother him if you didn’t respond.
I’m upset by people who don’t realize that it’s their own intolerance that’s partially the reason why they say such harsh things. But intolerance is born from an experience that the person may have had…it may just be that they’ve seen too much of something and are tired of it….
If that’s the case, I think it’s a good idea to take a break for a while….
XP
So I’m not saying…that the blame is exclusive to either side….
…I want him to save face, too. It’s not too late….since continuing can still make it worse….
I don’t believe I’ve missed anything…
But if there’s something I didn’t address that you’d like me to, you should’ve just let me know in the first place!
Don’t go saying, "Go read the post again (and find what I want you to comment on)". << I’m not psychic or anything….
WTF? This thread isn’t already shit to begin with?
I never claimed that it was good but this kind of stuff is whats made this thread shit from the start.
Congratulations, Captain Counterproductive! You just contributed to making this thread even more shittier! I could never have thought wasting a post to pointing out the OBVIOUS would be so HELPFUL! ^___^
You’re supposed to say, "You’re welcome, Captain Sarcastic."
Do you know why?
Actually, I’m j/k. After seeing some other folks, my enmity for you is beginning to melt.
Actually, I’m j/k. After seeing some other folks, my enmity for you is beginning to melt.
QFT
Iceberg is mild in comparison with some other freaks out there
I don`t give a shit that I wrote "something" twice in one sentence.
Iceberg is mild in comparison with some other freaks out there
Still lolling at Sephiroth Incarnate’s outburst. 😀
same here =P
…and also at the people that tend to congregate around the local GameStops, still raving about how FF7 was "revolutionary" in every aspect
…and also at the people that tend to congregate around the local GameStops, still raving about how FF7 was "revolutionary" in every aspect
I wonder how many people have changed their minds about Final Fantasy VII since reading your posts, probably none.
Nice try but still quite futile.
<<
That was a good question…
FF7 threads here always tend to get shitty…
There are FF7 fanboys in all forums all over the place, but in none of those forums do they consistently get as shitty as they do here.
Well someone steps up and says that Final Fantasy VII is good.
Then someone with far to much time on their hands analyses it`s foibles then gives and detail run-through of why it`s not good.
They then insult said person and call them a fanboy/girl.
Then said person insults them back.
Then the other person steps up and says "your not so good at the insults chap".
Then insults them some more.
Then it all turns into a sweaty mess with lots of insults.
Hehe, it’s like the real Sephiroth being a right whiny bitch rofl.
I am ashamed of myself for not taking the screendump.
I’m a little curious….
I’m a little curious….
that’s what the advanced search feature is for
I’m a little curious….
This was in the site’s chatroom.
XP
Alright then. I suppose I’ll take your guys’ word for it…
What kind of things can you remember that he said?
[09:18] *Holkeye* probably
[09:18] *Trent* Drunk people crash when driving, but stoned people, are like, two miles an hour"
[09:18] *Freyr* *-"
[09:18] *Holkeye* lol
[09:18] *Freyr* XD
[09:18] *PrinceXEvil* Some asshole motor police gave me a fine
[09:19] *Prak* guys
[09:19] *Trent* ^ or something like that ^_^
[09:19] *Prak* suspend current conversation
[09:19] *Sephiroth_Incarnet* is a mod here/?
[09:19] *Prak* and laugh at the guy who just came in
[09:19] *Holkeye* haha
[09:19] *Holkeye* Incarnet
[09:19] *Trent* LOL!!!!
[09:19] *ReliK* hahaha
[09:19] *Squid* oh no, a fanboy
[09:19] *Trent* 😀
[09:19] *Freyr* XDDDDD
[09:19] *Holkeye* i believe in incarnetion
[09:19] *Trent* 8D
[09:19] *ReliK* Squid: Oh no, there’s a much funnier thing at hand other than the fanboy thing
[09:20] *Holkeye* go to be Prak
[09:20] *Holkeye* lol
[09:20] *Holkeye* t*
[09:20] * Trent is now known as Trent_Away
[09:20] *Sephiroth_Incarnet* u assholes, im looking 4 a mod to ban those asshouls ho made fun of me
[09:20] *Prak* Holk, no.
[09:20] *Prak* I’m a mod
[09:20] *Holkeye* we’re all mods
[09:20] *ReliK* I’m a mod too.
[09:20] *Prak* Would you like me to ban me for making fun of you?
[09:20] *TheMonty* I’m a dom
[09:20] *Squid* im a bot
[09:20] *TheMonty* err wait, disregard
[09:20] *Holkeye* they call us the mod squad
[09:21] *Sephiroth_Incarnet* i hate u, fuck FFShrine….
[09:21] *Sephiroth_Incarnet* worthless fags
[09:21] *Holkeye* lol
[09:21] *ReliK* I’m a mod, maybe I can take care of your problem, Sephiroth_IncarnATE, LOL
[09:21] *Sephiroth_Incarnet* die
[09:21] *PrinceXEvil* This guy needs sex
[09:21] *Sephiroth_Incarnet* die
[09:21] *Duo* rofl
[09:21] *Sephiroth_Incarnet* die
[09:21] *Sephiroth_Incarnet* die
[09:21] * Sarah sets mode: +b Sephiroth_Incarnet!*[email protected]
[09:21] * Sephiroth_Incarnet was kicked by Sarah (GONK (4repeats/11secs))
No, I still have the chat window open. All I had to do was scroll up, copy, format, and paste.
marvellous.
I love you Prak. :-*
Pretty much all i’ve been doing all day with Word documents lol :laugh:
Then someone with far to much time on their hands analyses it`s foibles then gives and detail run-through of why it`s not good.
They then insult said person and call them a fanboy/girl.
Then said person insults them back.
Then the other person steps up and says "your not so good at the insults chap".
Then insults them some more.
Then it all turns into a sweaty mess with lots of insults.
Exactly.
The reaction of the people to him entering the chat was funny….
I feel kind of bad for Sephiroth though…It sounds like after that, he might build some sort of resentment toward the world…and like, because of that, he might do something bad….>>
XP
People only become like this when they feel that they aren’t being heard, or that something they’re trying to communicate isn’t getting across….
I think people here care too much about letting others know that they don’t care.
Hmf.
I still don’t see what’s so good about Mister Transformer-bot….
And …>> To Joey…
How am I a fag…?
(<<…what’s a fag again? Aren’t fags guys? Since I’m not a guy….)
x2
Now we’re not getting anywhere.
If you guys are going to continue to be so rude…then I’d rather not listen and wait until you guys decide to be more reasonable.
But if you’re calling me in for an "insult fest", I’m sorry. That’s not my sort of thing…
To make you guys feel better, I’ll say that I’m just not as good as insulting people as you guys are. 😮
If there’s something someone wants to say to me, they should say it to me straight. I want to resolve this as soon as possible…so I’m happy that it won’t close….closing it just postpones it and moves it elsewhere…..
For the lack of a better word.
i mean seriously prostitutes like aeris shouldn’t join ur party
Alright I have my money on Sephiroth Incarnate getting banned by Wednesday.
i mean seriously prostitutes like aeris shouldn’t join ur party
>>
Yeah….
And her flower only costs one gil, too.
Fucks sake, you haven`t got anything better to do?
x2.
Fucks sake, you haven`t got anything better to do?
Why not? It’s pretty damn hilarious. Plus it’s educational; shows you why you should never enter the chatroom.
Just seems like a waste of time and effort.
Just seems like a waste of time and effort.
Makes me wonder… why, precisely, are you here? If you can’t appreciate the humour of an idiot getting his ass kicked verbally, and be glad it’s not you, you’re not going to last long here. It’s all survival of the fittest. BTW, I doubt it would’ve taken Prak more than a few seconds to copy, paste, and post, and take my advice: don’t pick a fight with anybody here, or you’ll end up like Sephiroth_Incarnet.
If he closed the window, he won’t be able to copy and paste.
do you understand?
or are we moving too fast for you.
Hmf.
I still don’t see what’s so good about Mister Transformer-bot….
Hmf…!
Now we’re not getting anywhere.
If you guys are going to continue to be so rude…then I’d rather not listen and wait until you guys decide to be more reasonable.
But if you’re calling me in for an "insult fest", I’m sorry. That’s not my sort of thing…
To make you guys feel better, I’ll say that I’m just not as good as insulting people as you guys are. 😮
my god you take this place WAY too seriously.
But why bother?
amusement, obviously.
Then someone who knows more about game design than the typical fanboy steps inand analyzes it`s foibles then gives and detail run-through of why it`s not good.
They then insult said person and call them a fanboy/girl.
Then said person insults them back.
Then the other person steps up and says "your not so good at the insults chap".
Then insults them some more.
Then iteventually turns into a lolfest where everyone points and laughs at the stupid fanboy.
Fixed. :smrt:
Fucks sake, you haven`t got anything better to do?
Copying and pasting only takes like…1 minute at most? Thus your implication that he hasn’t anything better to do is wrong.
Prak pasted it because it is relevant.
I’m going to say this as clearly as possible so that both of your brain cells will understand it.
I kept the window open because I was chatting in it.
Pretty simple, eh? Think you got that? Need me to break it down and explain each word on its own?
Fuck that! Fanboys unite! Strike back at all who oppose FF7!!
But about Prak keeping the chat window open, I think it’s understandable that he does that…he’s a forum moderator, so it’s natural that he needs to keep an eye on the place (and the chat, too). And I think he finds it enjoyable to read over older chat exchanges, so he keeps it open for those reasons too….
XP…I definitely don’t endorse the reasons that he enjoys reading some exchanges over again (to laugh at the stupidity of some people), but it isn’t anything too out of the question….
To Joan-Michele’s reply…I think that’s the main problem here….
Though by your perspective, this sort of thing is enjoyable…by the perspective of the person who’s been insulted, it’s hardly enjoyable. Do you know what it’s like to be in the shoes of the "fanboy" you’re talking about?
Or are they too "low" to even consider something like that? HM?
…NO one is so low that you can ignore them. And NO one is so high that no matter what you do, you couldn’t understand or catch up to them. Not if everyone in question is human.
my god you take this place WAY too seriously.
>>
I don’t want to take you guys lightly in the chance that you do mean to be serious….
Maybe you want to just tell me to relax and sit back, and enjoy this place…. Mm, and I appreciate that, too. But I just can’t….it’s not in me to take enjoyment at the expense of others lightly.
lol
Though by your perspective, this sort of thing is enjoyable…by the perspective of the person who’s been insulted, it’s hardly enjoyable. Do you know what it’s like to be in the shoes of the "fanboy" you’re talking about?
Or are they too "low" to even consider something like that? HM?
…NO one is so low that you can ignore them. And NO one is so high that no matter what you do, you couldn’t understand or catch up to them. Not if everyone in question is human.
Nope, never happened to me. Although I fangirl about a few things, I am perfectly away of better things being out there. So I never say that XXX is the best. It shouldn’t be too hard to follow. 😉
XP…I definitely don’t endorse the reasons that he enjoys reading some exchanges over again (to laugh at the stupidity of some people), but it isn’t anything too out of the question….
Please stop trying to fathom anything I do. You clearly don’t get it, and if you haven’t by now, you probably never will.
OMG.
I was trying to defend you! >>
Am I too low to understand you? (Is that what you’re saying…?)…
…
Because when people tell me that, it usually just makes me want to try harder on what they say I can’t do. >=]
Maybe the reason you’d think I couldn’t understand why you do the things you do is because I don’t think the way you do…and I most definitely do not think the way you do. But even if I don’t agree, I still want to understand.
No, that’s not what I meant. I simply meant that our mentalities are incompatible. You keep trying to understand my motives, but you’re usually way off the mark.
Put it this way. It’s sort of like, how some people will find a certain comedy tv programme entertaining. For example some people find "Jerry Springer" really funny. Others find it totally boring, because they have a different sense of humour, so don’t bother with it. Pretty much the same thing when it comes to the Shrine members. Some like to rag others because they find it funny, others don’t tend to bother because it doesn’t interest them.
Mm…alright then….
No, that’s not what I meant. I simply meant that our mentalities are incompatible. You keep trying to understand my motives, but you’re usually way off the mark.
Tell me what you really are trying to do then!
I don’t believe any two people are ever completely incompatible…I’m sure there’s at least some sort of common ground where I can understand where you’re coming from, or that sort of thing….
I thought the reason you kept your chat open is just for fun, and as a small favor for other shrine members in case anything like this pops up….
I didn’t think I was too far…but was I…? ><
Maybe it feels like a waste of time to you, that I’d be asking to understand….XP
But it doesn’t feel like a waste of time to me! So if you don’t feel like telling what your motives are, that’s alright–I can figure it out on my own. Or try…. (<< And you can call it futile or useless if you want…but I find understanding people who don’t think like me is always something that’s surprising, interesting… and maybe kind of fun… >>)
As for why I insult people, I do it when they don’t make an effort to fit in with the community. If someone seems reasonable at a glance, I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt and approach them politely (or at least minimally sarcastically), but those who seem like they’ll never find a place here either need to be reformed completely or driven out, lest they spend their time doing nothing but crapping up threads and annoying people. What I do is quality control. The fact that I take a certain sadistic pleasure in revealing fools for what they are is an added bonus.
Oh…! I see…
XD
I thought it was something more complicated than that….but that might have just been myself thinking that you were more different from me than I thought….
As for why I insult people, I do it when they don’t make an effort to fit in with the community. If someone seems reasonable at a glance, I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt and approach them politely (or at least minimally sarcastically), but those who seem like they’ll never find a place here either need to be reformed completely or driven out, lest they spend their time doing nothing but crapping up threads and annoying people. What I do is quality control. The fact that I take a certain sadistic pleasure in revealing fools for what they are is an added bonus.
Mm…
Alright then.
Well, I’m planning to stay, because I’ve been looking for a place like this for a long time. (Full of people who aren’t like me)
I don’t know if you know that letting me know I can’t change things here encourages me…but I’ll tell you now!
Don’t tell me, "You can’t change anything here." Because that’s motivation enough for me to try. >>
And if you said the opposite, that’s motivation too.
So don’t bring it up! And maybe I might forget about it somehow…
Or like, maybe distract me with Linear Algebra problems….
As for why I insult people, I do it when they don’t make an effort to fit in with the community. If someone seems reasonable at a glance, I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt and approach them politely (or at least minimally sarcastically), but those who seem like they’ll never find a place here either need to be reformed completely or driven out, lest they spend their time doing nothing but crapping up threads and annoying people. What I do is quality control. The fact that I take a certain sadistic pleasure in revealing fools for what they are is an added bonus.
Actually there happens to be a good few people who shit up threads not just in the FF sections. How come ive never seen you do the same thing to idiots who post in GD?
1 (http://forums.ffshrine.org/showthread.php?p=700759#post700759)
2 (http://forums.ffshrine.org/showthread.php?p=695094#post695094)
Also, I generally don’t have to do the dirty work these days because others do it for me.
People do have different sense of humor. It also should be said that people have different taste in gaming and shouldnt be bashed for doing so. Not saying that you do that Giga : ) lol
Prak you say you insult people who dont make an effort to fit into the community? So how does one "fit in"? Should I go around around insulting everyone who makes typos, or insult anyone who likes FF7, or even anyone who doesnt agree with you? If I do all of the above I should fit right in, right?
but over all FFVII was not an amazing game!
*looks at username* Fair enough…..
Besides, another thing you should consider is that I don’t read each forum individually. I use the New Posts link. I don’t even notice what forum I’m posting in half the time, so if I bash people less in GD, that’s pretty poignant.
Amen to that. I’m hardly ever in GD and even I know that.
lol don’t worry I know that 😉
I just said that to Norse, as was trying to explain why some members on here enjoy ragging others at times. I was just pointing out that it tends to be done for amusement on their part because of their type of humour, although at the same time i’m not referring to all the regulars as there’s also plenty on here who don’t do that.
I have to admit that at times i can’t help losing patience if a member refuses to have any kind of reasonable discussion within a thread, in cases when that’s the point of the topic, as in the kind of cases Squid gave. If somebody is truly behaving like an idiot, then I do tend to make the odd comment here and there. However in general, I do try to avoid being rude.
yea i hate prak to
But nothing that I can think of is wron with ff7. I know something that way be wrong with ff7, but since your asking whats wron with it i can’t asnwer… Just joking around. nothing is wrong with it i just wanted to give you a hard time
Fair enough my name is to do with FFVII but that doesnt mean i absolutely adore the game i just happen to like sephiroth!
But i’m not sayin it was bad not sayin it was amazing i think its entertaining!
I slap people with trout.
As for why I insult people, I do it when they don’t make an effort to fit in with the community. If someone seems reasonable at a glance, I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt and approach them politely (or at least minimally sarcastically), but those who seem like they’ll never find a place here either need to be reformed completely or driven out, lest they spend their time doing nothing but crapping up threads and annoying people. What I do is quality control. The fact that I take a certain sadistic pleasure in revealing fools for what they are is an added bonus.
I take offense at the suggestion that I have made an "effort" to fit in here!
And warm people’s globes. :p
Fix’d. :smrt: