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…only for it to end about four episodes later =\
At this point, it almost makes me want to wait for the dvds to finish up the season. 🙁
I am not sure where the series is going to go, and if the current plot-line will end at the end of it. I hope it doesn’t over-run like some shows do…
The only bad acting and character comes from George Takei who plays Hiro’s dad. 🙁
I think Ali Larter is pretty bad, but whole Nikki/Jessica part of the story is pretty weak imo.
But his japanese dialect is so unconvincing. It takes out the reality of his supposedly 100% nihon-jin character. 🙁
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Overall, I have really mixed feelings about this episode. On the one hand, it doesn’t really maintain the pacing of the last couple episodes and didn’t have much in the way of really good character moments. On the other hand, Isaac’s death, more Sylar badassery, and the return of future Hiro are interesting.
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Peter getting resurrected with Claire’s powers and all was prty predictable tho. And the whole ‘o you have EMP powers too’ thing was a bit tacked on, I thought.
The future Hiro thing is really interesting to me. I sort of wonder if the plot will constantly center on him working on trying to stop the explosion, or if, once it goes off, if there will be some new, bigger challenge. Or maybe both at once.
Yeah I saw part of the marathon the other night. That was really the first time i had seen the show since the premiere. I don’t know who Peter and Hiro are, but your right about sylar. He did seem to be enjoying himself.
I watch Heroes, 4’sho..
ONLINE BACK EPISODES: click
(http://www.nbc.com/Video/rewind/full_episodes/heroes.shtml)
Sure it’s no Battlestar Galactica or even LOST in my opinion, but it’s a damn fine start to a show that I can only guess I’ll add to my short list of shows that I actually follow regularly.
So yeah, pretty awesome stuff.
Kidding. I wuv u 2 :-*
Anyhoo, episode two tonight. Should be good. 🙂
Really? I was under the impression due to that layoff a few months ago that the season had ended. Oh, well. Silly me. 😉 I’ll have to make sure I check out the next episode.
Also is it 2 episodes ’til the end of the series or end of season 1?
Also, having the Hiro from the future pop up at the end on the train was excellent!.
I luv this show to bits, almost on par with my fanboyism of Hokuto no Ken (well…not that much, but close).
There’s only 2 episodes left this season, and frankly, it’s been years since I’ve watched a show of this quality and I really can’t wait to see how everything will unfold. The writing is top notch, the effects are believable and used at the right times and the cast is perfect (with only a few exceptions… I don’t know why… but I don’t like Ali Larter for some reasons…).
As long as the writing keeps on being this consistent, I wish there will be many more seasons.
This show clearly puts the bar higher than anything else that has been done in the same genre.
Anyway, yeah, love me some Heroes. Can’t wait till the finale next week. I read that next season, they’re starting a new thing called Heroes: Origins to fill in the hiatus/break time, where viewers will get to vote on a new hero to add to the show. I guess we’ll see how that works out.
Starrynite — I don’t know what country you’re from, but you said you watch it on Monday nights and they show it in the U.S. on Monday nights, so I’m thinking maybe you’re from the U.S. You don’t by any chance get Scifi channel, do you? They air repeats of the show on there every Friday night and sometimes at other times as well. And they’re going to be having a marathon of pretty much all of the episodes soon.
Edit — I messed up. The marathon is from 9 A.M. on the 19th up until 6 A.M. in the morning on the 20th, and that, of course, makes 21 hours. Oh, and the first six episodes actually air during that 12-6 A.M. block (apparently Scifi too feels that they’re not as popular as the later portion of the season), so make sure to tape appropriately to get the episodes that you need.
Oh, and I probably don’t need to say this, but just in case — those are all eastern times.
If you’d look on the first page you’ll find a link that I and another posted so you can watch it online. Shame if you have dial-up though.
Sure, a sacrifice gives a lot of emotional impact, but in this case it was totally ridiculous. All Peter had to do, is take off and blow up in the sky. But no, they had to take the cheesy sacrifice approach, make sure Peter looked helpless in the process and BOOM. And if they play the "Peter don’t know how to fly" (for any dumb reason) card, then all Nathan had to do is leave Peter as fast as he could once he got high enough. Bingo! No need for a cheesy sacrifice.
That’s the only thing that was a let down for me in this episode (in the whole season, actually) and really… It is a reallly BIG let down.
Also, even if Nathan was able to fly away after he got high enough, he would die. Remember, the bomb was supposted to take out almost the whole city, so there would be no chance for him to go away in time.
Sure, a sacrifice gives a lot of emotional impact, but in this case it was totally ridiculous. All Peter had to do, is take off and blow up in the sky. But no, they had to take the cheesy sacrifice approach, make sure Peter looked helpless in the process and BOOM. And if they play the "Peter don’t know how to fly" (for any dumb reason) card, then all Nathan had to do is leave Peter as fast as he could once he got high enough. Bingo! No need for a cheesy sacrifice.
That’s the only thing that was a let down for me in this episode (in the whole season, actually) and really… It is a reallly BIG let down.
How do you know he didn’t take off after hoisting him in the air? You only assume. I don’t think they killed either of the Patrely brothers.
I just saw the finale.
I’m assuming the reason Peter didn’t just fly off himself was he can only use one power at a time?
That aside I really enjoyed it. I’ve read somewhere that The Patrelli family are in season 2 so at least 1 brother must’ve survived… Peter can’t die anyway we know that much…
That aside I really enjoyed it. I’ve read somewhere that The Patrelli family are in season 2 so at least 1 brother must’ve survived… Peter can’t die anyway we know that much…
Yeah, unlike Sylar (one of the best villains ever BTW), Peter has to think about the person he came in contact with. I’m pretty sure he’ll be able to use powers simultaneously as he learns to control his, like Mutants in Marvel.
Was Gen. Kensei Hiro’s dad? Although he was masked, it looked like it, or watch the plot be that Kensei was actually Hiro in the past! That would be a pretty cool twist also IMO.
Also, even if Nathan was able to fly away after he got high enough, he would die. Remember, the bomb was supposted to take out almost the whole city, so there would be no chance for him to go away in time.
Yeah, that’s what I called "(for any dumb reason)" in my last post.
I really want to like this ending, I really do. But I just can’t help it. I think the way they handled it was a bit cheesy.
So bad, because I really think this series is almost flawless.
Oh well. Maybe they’ll manage to fix this in the nest season.
What’s stupid is that Peter didn’t gain Sylars powers that he got from the other mutants when he came around him. That’s a plot pot hole in my opinion. Peter should have telekinesis by now.
Actually, I think the reason why Peter was having a hard time controlling his power at the end, and why he exploded like that was because there were too many people with abilities near him (including the ever increasing in power Sylar).
Which ended up in a really big surge of power to process at the same time.
How do you know he didn’t take off after hoisting him in the air? You only assume. I don’t think they killed either of the Patrely brothers.
Yeah, of course, I assume. But even so, the scene still look cheesy to me. It will be like that until I know for sure. From what they showed us, they made Nathan sacrifice himself in an attempt to create a nice plot-twist by showing us a character most people thought was leaning towards evilness and make him do the most heroic act possible. If he was to survive somehow, that would kinda ruin the impact of that moment, and would turn up to be even more cheesy then it already is.
Thats not true. Peter got telekinisis from Sylar, so he must have gained all the other abilities too, he just dont know it yet (as Sylar only used telekinisis infront of Peter).
You are right on that, I didnt really thought of that power.
If he did get all of Sylar’s powers, maybe they didn’t manifest ’cause he was just concentrating on the radiation power. Also, remember that Sylar had the power of suggestion and wanted Peter to explode.
I’ll go see that episode again.
My thoughts exactly: http://tv.ign.com/articles/790/790641p1.html
If he did get all of Sylar’s powers, maybe they didn’t manifest ’cause he was just concentrating on the radiation power. Also, remember that Sylar had the power of suggestion and wanted Peter to explode.
Peter met Saylar at Mohinder’s house. He should had absorbed the super hearing ability there.
I could’ve sworn he did?
I’ll go see that episode again.
Well, Saylar actually tried to take her power, but Eden shot herself in the head to prevent that.
Also, I have this question for a long time. Why was Saylar able to use telekinisis at that moment when Eden entered the room to kill him? And why Eden was unable to make him kill himself?
That was the finale!?.
You seriously have to be kidding me. After 21 episodes it all led up to that?.
I am hugely disappointed by the finale. I was looking forward to seeing all the characters finally meet up but what started as a fun popcorn show ended up as a complete mess.
I guess the biggest disappointment was the Peter and Sylar fight. When it finished I erupted in laughter I couldn’t believe what I was watching was the finale. The last episode of a series should pull out all of the stops and give the audience what they want. But no, instead we got Peter and Sylar pouting at each other then throwing some punches. Hiro runs at Sylar, who for some reason doesn’t move, and kills him. I was in total disbelief that this was the climax to what was once a fine how.
Don’t get me wrong, Heroes had it’s moments where it was fantastic television. For instance, the two episodes that stick out for me where "company man" and "five years gone". Now those episodes showed us what Heroes could be.
Then to top off an already terrible finale Nathan appears and sorts out the whole exploding thingy in a jiffy.
How do you stop and exploding man?. You don’t actually, you just fly really high in the sky with him.
I want this show to get better and realize it’s true potential. I mean, Heroes is just a no brain TV viewing for me. It has just as much heart and action as a Michael Bay movie and the deepest it ever gets is someone thinking "I know I’m a Hero" but when it’s good it’s great. Let’s hope season two picks up a little and forgets the farce that was the finale.
That was the finale!?.
You seriously have to be kidding me. After 21 episodes it all led up to that?.
I am hugely disappointed by the finale. I was looking forward to seeing all the characters finally meet up but what started as a fun popcorn show ended up as a complete mess.
I guess the biggest disappointment was the Peter and Sylar fight. When it finished I erupted in laughter I couldn’t believe what I was watching was the finale. The last episode of a series should pull out all of the stops and give the audience what they want. But no, instead we got Peter and Sylar pouting at each other then throwing some punches. Hiro runs at Sylar, who for some reason doesn’t move, and kills him. I was in total disbelief that this was the climax to what was once a fine how.
Don’t get me wrong, Heroes had it’s moments where it was fantastic television. For instance, the two episodes that stick out for me where "company man" and "five years gone". Now those episodes showed us what Heroes could be.
Then to top off an already terrible finale Nathan appears and sorts out the whole exploding thingy in a jiffy.
How do you stop and exploding man?. You don’t actually, you just fly really high in the sky with him.
I want this show to get better and realize it’s true potential. I mean, Heroes is just a no brain TV viewing for me. It has just as much heart and action as a Michael Bay movie and the deepest it ever gets is someone thinking "I know I’m a Hero" but when it’s good it’s great. Let’s hope season two picks up a little and forgets the farce that was the finale.Well, if you think about it, they took out all the climax just getting up to this point. It’s true, how is it that Sylar could stop four bullets in midair, yet Hiro just appears, pauses, and still manages to stick Sylar with his blade?
As for Peter and Sylar going at it, they can’t go at it like their future selves did, ’cause Peter’s power is unpredictable, and hasn’t been fully developed yet. Just remember, like in all stories, character development takes time. Look at LOTR. At first, the Hobbits were afraid to fight, and hid all the time. By the end of the trilogy, they were in the thick of it.
The pause may look like cheap scripting at first glance, but actually makes far more sense if this was the intention. After all, why would it be written like that in the first place if it could be bypassed by having Hiro appear in front of Sylar and stab him instantly? There was a point to that moment and it amazes me that no one seems to see it.
Of course, but I felt it was a perfect time in which Peter could show off his abilities. Sure character development takes time but 22 episodes leading up to that is a little depressing.
Regarding Sylar’s pause: Such a thing could easily have been psychological. Think about it. He saw that moment in Isaac’s comic. The simple realization of what Hiro’s arrival portended could have caused him to delay slightly as his mind processed the significance of it.
The pause may look like cheap scripting at first glance, but actually makes far more sense if this was the intention. After all, why would it be written like that in the first place if it could be bypassed by having Hiro appear in front of Sylar and stab him instantly? There was a point to that moment and it amazes me that no one seems to see it.
Good point, I totally agree with you there.
At first, my position towards it was that it was a huge let down.
Now that I’ve had more time to go through the last 4 episodes of the series, I still think it was a let down, it was overly underwhelming compared to, say, the episode "five years gone", but all of it makes sense.
Sure, we all wanted to see Peter use his powers at full in the fight against Sylar. But Peter is not such a guy. He is still discovering how all his powers work, and he uses many of them not even realizing what they are really (like the mind reading). When he was up against Sylar in the end, it is more and more believable to me why he couldn’t really use his powers adequately. So many "special" beings were close to him, add Sylar in the equation and Peter’s body was absorbing a lot of powers at the same time (we all know Peter has been in contact with Sylar before, but since then, Sylar got some new powers) which I think is what caused his body to go uncontrollable and resulted in him blowing up. Peter still tried to get the upper hand of Sylar by punching him, even though he’s a caring nurse, he still seems to have a fighting spirit.
As for Hiro stabbing Sylar, I think like Prak on this one. Sylar is no fool, and it’s pretty obvious that’s what he was thinking there. The producers even showed us a recap of all the illustrations he saw that were leading to his death (or so we’re supposed to believe).
I still think the finale was underwhelming and a let down for its cheezy scene where Nathan comes from nowhere to save the day… I think it’s all due to the fact that the episode was hyped from day one, and I guess I was expecting a bigger "BOOM". But the producers thought the easy way out was a better choice than going for a clever way to end it all.
That, or maybe he flew and flew… until he saw something bright on the ground (Peter).
That, or maybe he flew and flew… until he saw something bright on the ground (Peter).Server crashed and couldn’t respond yesterday. You sort of said what I was gonna say. As for Nathan knowing about Peter’s whereabouts, well ithink it’s kind of obvious with all the sudden interest for Linderman.
I see your point Prak, but I think they could’ve at least had him appear and pause, then when Sylar reacted, phase out and back in, in front of Sylar to stab him. Only to make continuity since Sylar stopped him at his Mom’s Apt. I know this makes me sound like those whiny fanboys with no lives, but that scene always makes me cringe, I’m always thinking "you stopped bullets, You can paralyze people with your power, you’ve been methodical, and now you let your guard down?", it’s like those slasher movies where the characters examine the killers body rather than just leave or finish the job.
Of course, but I felt it was a perfect time in which Peter could show off his abilities. Sure character development takes time but 22 episodes leading up to that is a little depressing.You have to remember that Peter hasn’t really mastered his power (since he still freaks out every time he absorbs a new power) save for a few, and I don’t think his power grew dramatically since their last encounter at Mohinder’s Apt. If that was the case, then the Radiation power wouldn’t have been a problem.
Brian Davis- Telekinesis "Six Months Ago"
Unnamed male- Unknown power, possibly Cryokenesis Online Novel-"Turning Point" Murdered in Chicago.
Chandra Suresh- None "Seven Minutes to Midnight"
Mr. & Mrs. James Walker- Unknown power "Don’t Look Back"
Only James Walker’s brain was removed, and his body was found frozen. Later, Sylar unsuccessfully attempted to kidnap the Walkers’ daughter from FBI custody.
Unnamed FBI agent- None "One Giant Leap"
Charlie Andrews- Eidetic memory "Seven Minutes to Midnight"
Jackie Wilcox Cheerleader- None "Homecoming"
Eden McCain- Persuasion "Fallout"
She committed gun suicide to prevent Sylar from stealing her power.
I would have to check some of the episodes again, but I’m sure it’s not the only one left out of that list.
EDIT: after looking it back, they do mention her. You didn’t! 😛
I would have to check some of the episodes again, but I’m sure it’s not the only one left out of that list.
EDIT: after looking it back, they do mention her. You didn’t! 😛
sorry, did it in kind of a hurry!
Since the new season’s here,
rather than make a new thread,
I’m just bumping this one.
ANYWAYS!!!
*SPOILER WARNING*
The wait is finally over!!! -thank god-
what do you guys think of the new episode?
Because of school, I missed it. Luckily they repeated it today (Sat).
hopefully they do that regularly since I don’t have Tivo.
So there’s a new villain. So far (if you’re keeping up with the online novels), I think it can be the Haitian that’s offing every one, ’cause his father gave him a necklace with that very same symbol on it.
anyone have any speculations on Peter got to the storage container with his memory zapped?
Its interesting to see that Peter attacked that Irish guy with a "Power Blast" kind of power and not telekinisis. I wonder where he got that one.
This season should be interesting. Tbh, i’m kind of disappointed at the whole ‘Nathan is a drunk’ thing, because I liked the idea of him continuing his political career.
Highlight of the episode: Noah Bennet dislocating the douchebag’s finger at the paper company he’s working for. Priceless.
I wonder when Sylar will make an appearance!
I wonder when Sylar will make an appearance!
I thought it would have been really stupid of him to have let himself die, when all he had to do was go up in the sky and leave his brother there. No need to kill himself in the process.
Yeah, but at the same time he survived an explosion that was supposted to destroy the whole New York.
Anyway, there was an article about the premiere in TV Guide — it said not to read it until after the premiere had aired, so I waited, but I kinda wish I hadn’t read it anyway because it gives away a few things that weren’t in the premiere.
I watched the first eight or so episodes, gave up on it now though because the plot ceaselessly meandered and I just got bored of it.
What? Get out of here 😀
The thing with the toe at the end — wild — kinda gross/freaky in a way — but seriously, is it even possible to cut off your toe like that using a pair of a shears or whatever it is? Oh well, I’m not sure I want to think about it, I’m getting the willies just thinking about that scene…
Hiro really fucked up everything 😀
I think that the invisible guy attacked Angella Petrelli.
NO SYLAR AGAIN!
i think that that guy west from claire’s school is sylar. and if he’s not, then i think that the kid was the one that killed hiro’s dad.
roki, i don’t think it was him because it seemed as if angela could see him. and i want to know what her power is!! hers and hiro’s dad’s.
and that toe part was nasty. i was like, "they’re not gonna show it, they’re not gonna show it….oh, they showed it."
and have the plots of ali larter and her husband and son been dropped? cause there’s been like, no mention of them, at all. maybe it’s because ali larter was busy filming RE:E, but i don’t know…
i hope they come back because i actually liked their storylines.
Just wondering if any of you have or know where I can get the Heroes soundtrack from? Does it even exist? And I don’t mean the one that has all these songs on it from people and you could have sworn those songs weren’t in the show at all. I mean the beautiful background music. I wants that.
Can someone help?
oh yeah. SPOILERS!!!! DO NOT READ IF YOU HAVE NOT WATCHED!
ok, so sylar’s back, but why are his powers not working? maybe the company did something to him?
also, this past episode makes me think that sylar may have multiple personalities. he may just be pretending, but it seemed as if he didn’t know that he was a murderer and stuff. plus the word sylar on his watch was blocked, which could symbolize that he did not know that he called himself sylar and did not know about all the horrible things he did. although, when he found out that maya and alejandro had powers (i consider both of them having the power because they use it together. she uses it and he cancels it out) he seemed to like, remember and switch back into sylar mode. or maybe he was just lying the whole time. i don’t know…
So what about Sylar, eh? But, as stated, it doesn’t seem as if he has the ability to take any powers right now, though. But man, if he did get that power. As it was, I about flipped when I thought he had gotten "Candice"’s power — I did not want him to have that.
This new character, who can learn how to do stuff just by watching someone do it on TV, I wonder if it’s just by watching stuff on TV that she can absorb skills like that. Either way, it’s a pretty strong power. As the recapper at Television Without Pity quipped, "Wonder if she watches this show."
yeah, that girl’s power is pretty cool. it’s like charlie’s from season 1 (i forgot. did hiro ever save her? cause i remember him going back in time to stop her death and then my mind is totally blank to what happened next). but is it with just tv or is it can it work with reading and stuff? what if she watched a show like….superman or something? would she be able to use their powers? (i know it’s a stupid question, but i think it’s a legitimate one)
even though we have all these questions, at least we finally have one answered. the guy that’s been scaring molly is matt’s dad! (i kinda saw that coming, but still, pretty cool)
oh, and who else thought that it was funny that the guy that maya, sylar, and alejandro were riding with stole the car he was driving from claire?
but she watched wrestling. ba-zing!!
lol, seriously though, what you say makes sense. that’d be pretty cool and it’s definitely a possibility that the writers could explore. but what do you think about sylar and what i said?
He probably got Candice’s power, at least thats what I beilive. If you remeber, when Hiro went to the future (and Claire was already saved) Saylar had the ability. It seems that everything is repeating itself when it comes to Sylar, the only difference is that NY didnt go BOOM.
I think that she can only do things that are physically possible to normal humans. So she wont be another Sylar or another Pete.
I love Sylar’s actor!! He is awesome!! R.I.P. Derik 😛
Hmm, I wonder. There is a part of me that does think that he got it and just isn’t capable of using it right now. However, it’s also possible that while he’s in this state, he can’t absorb anyone else’s powers.
but she watched wrestling. ba-zing!!
🙂 LOL
if sylar got the twin’s powers, do you think he’d be able to control it? but even if he got it, i don’t think he’d be able to like, not use it, you know? then he’d kill everyone he comes in contact with and the police would have to take notice of it.
I dunno, the one twin’s the one that makes it happen, the other "takes the blackness" — so what if he absorbed both?
I think that she can only do things that are physically possible to normal humans. So she wont be another Sylar or another Pete.
Which still has the potential to make her pretty durn powerful. There’s a lot of things us regular humans can do.
Oh, BTW, there’s a poll at the newest TWoP recap asking what you would do if you had her her power. The top response at around 32%? "Watch a lot of cartoons." So looks like some people at least hope that her ability could extend to that.
Oh, and ROKI, have you heard about something, I think it’s called "Sylar’s Nation?" I read about it recently, a dedicated Sylar fangroup.
Too bad there was not much improvment on Peter and Niki.
Oh, and ROKI, have you heard about something, I think it’s called "Sylar’s Nation?" I read about it recently, a dedicated Sylar fangroup.
Cant say I have. Although it would be cool, Im a fan of Sylar myself!
I cant find anything by Googling though 🙁
monica’s powers are becoming cooler and cooler by the minute. but i still wonder if she can copy powers. i mean, she saw micah use his, and yet she didn’t try to use it, nor did she even aknowledge that she had copied it.
and i thought that at the end of last season, nikki was able to integrate with her other personality (i forgot the name). so why is she seeking help?
peter’s story arc is getting interesting. that girl is pretty cool. i thought her powers were just gonna be like, weak bolts of energy, but she can really blast it.
no sylar, twins, or claire in this episode, which is a dissapointment. i want to learn more about them, especially the twins and sylar.
and what are the powers of keito and angela?! i hope they tell us and they don’t do some lame copout where they "keep the fans guessing" or something.
And Im guessing that the company had taken Peter after the bomb insitent. That could explain why nobody knew about him (as the only "good" guy who ever was in the company was Bennet), why he has the Haitian’s necklate (The Haitian was still in the company) and why he has that girl’s power.
But still isnt everyone connected to it?
Mat learned from Bennet in the last Season.
Mohinder worked there in the last season too. (to help Molly)
Nathan would know from his mother or Mat/Linderman.
Claire would know from Bennet too.
Hiro, Peter and Ando dont seem to really know about it though. But then again, the company may be looking for Peter, and Hiro’s dad was in the company too
Personally, I think that the company will have much more to do in this season. :/
i think that the boy that claire likes is part of the company. or, at the least, is bad.
And yeah, Hayden is hot. She’s also a bright young talent. So is her brother, Jansen (a bright young talent, that is.) Let’s hope they both stick around and don’t fade away like so many like them have done.
Wow, some people will watch anything.
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so as soon as niki injected herself with the virus, i knew that claire was gonna be needed. again with the "save the cheerleader, save the world"?
i did not see the whole kensei/adam thing coming at all. when i saw that, i was like, "WHAAAAAAT?!?!?!?!?!!!!?!!!!!!"
speaking of kensei, poor hiro. but to be honest, i thought that their feelings were developed rather quickly and they seemed really shallow.
mohinder is becoming so bad!! noah warned him and look, it happened. he’s becoming so twisted and his beliefs are being warped.
(on a side note, do the actors that play….oh damn it, i forgot their names….the two hispanic characters. oh! mya and…..alejandro? whatever. the point is, do they speak english or do they really only speak spanish with the girl speaking english with that heavy spanish accent?)
Anyway, yeah, great episode, and yes, that whole Adam thing was wild.
And next week’s episode is gonna be really cool, we find out all the stuff about what happened after Peter went boom up in the sky.
Of course, depending on how long this writer’s strike thingy lasts, this show could eventually be going dark.
I pegged the Adam=Kensei thing last week though, and was certain of it about halfway through this one.
So is anyone else bummed about the Origins spinoff being cancelled?
What is interesting to notice is that by stopping the bomb in last season, they actually created a worse alternative world. Stopping the bomb was Future Hiro’s worst mistake.
I was sure that Kensei would play a deeper role than just a warrior in the past, though. I was convinced from the day I saw him that he would come to the present, but I did not see the Adam=Kensei coming.
origins was canceled? why?! it semed like it was going to be good. oh well, now we have nothing to look foward to during the 3 month hiatus.
I actually forgot the whole hunting situation. But on the other hand, you can say that in the alternative future, everybody is suffering the consequences, and not only people with abilities. The whole world. Sure Sylar is a tyrant who terrorizes everyone, but still he is just one person. At some point, he will die. Where in the other hand, the virus will live on, and it could affect generations to come, as well as "take out whole species" as Mohinder said. So I believe that it is worse than the bomb going off.
for what it’s worth, i think that tim kring said that this season was going to be split into two volumes, unlike the last which was all one. also, i believe i heard that the rest of this volume’s writing was finished and they just needed to finish shooting, so at least we should have some closure by episode eleven.
we’ll just have to wait longer for the next volume 🙁
edit – ok apparently that was pretty much covered in this thread. whoops!
Huzzah for Adam. I am in conflict over him though. If he truly evil? Is he actually good? He still wants to make Hiro suffer so he’s gotta be up to something nasty. But…. 400 years, you’d think a bloke would be over something as trivial as a woman by then.
I think I’m just going to adopt a House-ism from now on in relation to Heroes and come to the conclusion that everyone lies.
Huzzah for Adam. I am in conflict over him though. If he truly evil?
I’m with evil all the way. The guy is mad twisted, and here’s hoping Peter figures it out fast.
If they had started it off like this it would have been better instead of dragging things out unnecessarily.
Tim Kring has basically said the same (http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct=us/0-0&fp=4739ced57de1ec2f&ei=5_A5R6TcHY_QapDT-cgG&url=http%3A//blogs.mercurynews.com/aei/2007/11/heroes_at_a_crossroads.html&cid=1123541785) in a widely discussed interview.
Three episodes left till end of season, unless something happens on this strike thingy! Tick tock, tick tock!
To tell the truth, I do not like her. Tim has the hobby of always putting a female character helping the company. First it was Eden ( one my favorite characters of season 1) and then Candice. I just get annoyed of the way more and more characters can just come out of the company to help them.
I’m with evil all the way. The guy is mad twisted, and here’s hoping Peter figures it out fast.
Yeah, but cool evil 😛 It seems Hiro has found a rival, for the first time!
"… You can fly, I can’t… [something something]"
I couldn’t really make out what he said, and was confused… why didn’t Pete just fly himself anyway?
So how about tonight’s show, huh? Wild. So it’s Adam that’s killing off the Elderheroes. Didn’t see it coming, I bet a lot of people didn’t. But this would seem to support the idea that he’s evil — he’s certainly out for revenge anyway.
West? Still wacky, but he’s definitely looking out for Claire. And how about Matt, huh? He’s really starting to come into his ability, though from what I could tell, he knew not to cross the line. And Hiro, man, some stuff is gonna go down with him.
Man, just two episodes left unless the writers thing gets worked out.
Oh, BTW? The post-show on G4. Great stuff. They get actual cast-members on the show and have some inside info and stuff. It’s a great program.
Also, the ending was a real twist. Why did they use Claire’s blood for him?
West is becoming more involving, which i find a god thing.
Sylar on the other hand seems to be out of this story ark 🙁
I was rather pissed about Noah not being dead. I mean, on the one hand, I really do like the character and don’t want him gone, but having him get shot in the face and brought back to life, especially after all the build-up toward his death, is just plain lame.
But on the other hand, it was a really major episode for Hiro, and more Hiro is always good. Hiro + Sulu = Good times all around.
Agent, Matt did cross the line. After all that Angela told him about how he would become his father if he forced the truth from her, he still did it to get that final name.
I was not that pissed about Bennet being alive. I was rather surprised as of why they brought him back.
That is a mystery. Who knows? Company property? Maybe Mohinder convinced Bob to do it? Though it seemed Bob was the one with the plan to bring Noah back; since he drained some of Claire’s blood before the swap took place. And the company had all the paintings before hand, so I’m thinking they still need Bennett for a job – possibly related to Kensei/Adam. Perhaps it wasn’t a coincidence that he was assigned Clair to bring up, who also has the regen powers (which was kinda weirdly referenced to near the end of the episode by Bob in his mini-monologue).
It was a good episode overall, I thought. Though at this point, Kensei being the mystery killer wasn’t as big of a suprise if compared to the amount of info we had two or three episodes ago. After the whole "I reign destruction over your life 4eva!" dialogue, most people figured it out.
The first time we saw Hiro’s dad take the plunge, I thought killer would be female for some reason.
Matt’s a good guy, I think… I hope. He has Molly as a guiding conscience.
Ah well. It was good way to end my lab-filled day.
There’s one thing I’m really wondering. Although some may see it as a let down to have Noah being revived like that. My question is why would the company revive him, when Bob knows he’s there to destroy the company? There has to be more to Noah than meets the eye (duh!). And maybe his resurrection is the act of Suresh alone, who knows. I’m really looking forward to how all this will evolve from there.
***SPOILERS***
I cannot even begin to say how happy I am that one of the twins is finally dead. Sylar’s plot so far this season has been pretty crap, but it’s finally becoming interesting. He actually didn’t seem particularly villainous in the first season, but Quinto seems to be developing a much more sinister screen presence, which is really awesome.
Mohinder continues to be lame, of course, but I am feeling a bit better about Bennet being alive.
And what a seriously annoying place to end the episode!
I really doubt that’s the only answer for bringing Bennet back since they’re keeping his family in the dark even now – I think Bennet plays a much bigger roll than guinea pig.
Also, I was kinda hoping Sylar would have some kind of internal struggle due to the presence of Maya. But, him showing no remorse makes his character even more malevolent.
AND what was up with the ending? That was SO crap! Not only was it an annoying scene to cut at (as Prak said), but jeez.. Communication boys! What happened to the trust? (They should have cut at the "Hiro? …. Peter Petrelli? …." and NOT extend to the "Then you have[FALLEN TO TA DARK SIDE? NO WAIYAAAAAAAAA!]aaaAA!"
Even Peter looked at him with a "WTF" look in his face.
Sometimes the simplest answer is the truth, though you’re right, the family in the dark doesn’t entirely make sense if he is just the guinea pig.
Also, when did Peter’s weapon of choice suddenly become lightning? I’m pretty sure he could keep Adam/Kensei safe with his less splash damaging telekinesis, or even the phasing thing…
Maybe Peter’s getting less passive than before.
What is supposed to be wrong with that?
But there was enough there that clicked for me to forgive the material that didn’t.
I must say this season had been a little weird for me. I at first I was a little upset with hiros story and the lack of development from sylar. I hate the character related to mika (forgot her name). I feel her storyline is pointless and took a turn for the worse this week.
This episode was great for me. I thought the way sylar is manipulating maya is great. The hiro storyline is actually turning out to be great. Can’t wait to see how his confrontation with peter is going to turn out. Claire has been less interesting this season. Also want to see how suresh turns out and what he accomplishes. Its just sad because the writer strike imo hurt the overall development of season 2. I would like to see how it would have been if this strike never took place.
I don’t know for sure but I think it would have been fleshed out a lot better because of the amount of episodes left. I was really interested in seeing heroes origins too.
So, convince me to like the show.
As for why you should like the show? Because although it’s about people with superpower abilities, it’s actually mainly a character drama, with plots focusing on family affairs, people struggling to make tough moral decisions, etc. It’s also very well-written, most of the time anyway, and when they do the superpowers, a lot of the special effects are very cool.
*spoilers… maybe*
the ‘maybe’ cause I was watching this on the other side of the room with a TV with rabbit ears covered in tin foil.
The brotherly bond that trumps everything else was quite moving, and it was so disheartening to see Nathan get shot… twice. Maybe Pete will be able to revive him again with his blood? (I wonder how long the healing effect lasts for? It seems that abilities can be swaped through blood for a short period of time [recall: Mohinder’s cure])
The whole New Orleans plot seems kinda weak the whole way through. Also, I don’t think they need another character who can do what other people can do.
Just a couple fuzzy things though: does Peter feel something bad after he incinerates the vile? Or is he just feeling relieved?
And where was Adam/Kensei at the end? For a second I thought Hiro would transport him onto the moon. silly.
I assume spoilers are implied by the nature of the thread and, obviously, if people haven’t seen the episode yet, they shouldn’t read too closely.
The brotherly bond that trumps everything else was quite moving, and it was so disheartening to see Nathan get shot… twice. Maybe Pete will be able to revive him again with his blood? (I wonder how long the healing effect lasts for? It seems that abilities can be swaped through blood for a short period of time [recall: Mohinder’s cure])
I was wondering if he could be revived too. But it seems to me the Company would take care of that. I get the feeling Peter is well-and-truly dead.
The whole New Orleans plot seems kinda weak the whole way through. Also, I don’t think they need another character who can do what other people can do.
Yeah, I didn’t really see why we needed to endure the Niki, Micah and Monica show in this episode.
Just a couple fuzzy things though: does Peter feel something bad after he incinerates the vile? Or is he just feeling relieved?
I’m thinking just relieved.
And where was Adam/Kensei at the end? For a second I thought Hiro would transport him onto the moon. silly.
Looked to me like he was buried alive.
huu.. The buried alive thing is terrifying in itself… but I can’t stop thinking if Kensei pulls off a "kill bill", he’ll be more mad than ever.
I know. I got the name wrong, but I knew in my head which it was.
Frankly, I’m willing to forgive the entire New Orleans plot simply because Niki’s death is the best Christmas present I can imagine getting from a tv show.
🙂
I’m just tired of seeing this show get good then have it drop right back down to build up again. It’s pretty annoying, and nothing important ever seems to happen that isn’t just ret-conned in the next episode.
Alternatively, Niki could pull off a stupid, like what they did for DL… that whole "DL came back afterwards but nobody knew about it until the flashback!" was unnessarily confusing. And then he had to die again! But this time without the self-sacrifice and with additional ‘lame’. And did I make it clear that it was all in a flashback?
The most likely thing to bring her back will be Mohinder’s upgraded magic blood.
I didn’t exactly want to see Niki go, but after getting caught in that blast… well…
I hope I’m not a bad person.
Well, I’m not sure they’ll allow me to watch those because I’m from outside the US.
I forgot that my sister has torrented the first 18 episodes however, although I haven’t touched the DVDs yet. I’ll probably go through the ep before the next episode airs.
Anyway, is there any doubt now, as if there was ever really any before, that Angela Petrelli is one cold mother? Ordered her own son offed and once again, was totally cool with potentially seeing the other be killed too.
Oh, and regarding Adam, I offer the following from Albus Dumbledore of the Harry Potter books — "You know, the Stone was really not such a wonderful thing. As much money and life as you could want! The two things most human beings would choose above all – the trouble is, humans do have a knack of choosing precisely those things which are worst for them."
Okay, so maybe Adam wasn’t after money, but living for so long definitely wasn’t a good thing for him. It twisted him even more than he was before. Man, imagine living that long…
Also, I truly believe that Peter/Nathan’s father is the true villain of the show (phone call at end!)
Glad to know it’s not just me.
But, I think he kept Maya around as insurance for when he greets Mohinder (or maybe to confuse him?).
Yeah, I’ll agree to that.
But I think the main worry now would be if he has Clair’s power. Does it work if he witnesses the blood doing its work on himself, but not the brain of the victim?
Hrm. Well, well, I dunno. I don’t think so. And the effect of the blood certainly doesn’t seem to be permanent, given what happened to Nathan.
One other random thought… so Peter’s little girlfriend from Ireland… what’s up with her? Now that the time/space continuum is righted, or whatever, does she return automatically to his time? Or is she trapped in a rogue future that no longer exists?
The only possible way to bring her back again would be to release another virus.. or to pluck her out of the past before they went into the future… or to jump back to the time before he destroys the virus and jump to the future again before coming back to the part where he destroys the virus and back to the present…
…time is messy. I don’t think I want to go into that too much.
Also, I’m not sure if anyone has seen this, but it’s a parody called ‘Zeroes’. It made me laugh, but that may be due to lack of sleep rather than a high degree of hilarity.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdZwajEvGew
Anyway, as far as an actual answer goes regarding Peter’s girlfriend… although I’m hoping the quality of the show continues to remain good, it would not surprise me at all if they simply drop the plotline and hope we forget it about it. That wouldn’t be smart, though, because they should know by now that we have a long memory.
U KILLED HIM DIDDNT YOU, OK SO HE MAy be slightly ladylike, but he is still da bomb, poor peter WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAA!!!!!
Also, I truly believe that Peter/Nathan’s father is the true villain of the show (phone call at end!)
NO WAY i’m the onion kid
I find there’s alot of symbolism in Heroes, and one of the symbols that might play a big part is one that has been ‘removed’ .
Nathan and Peter were originally created to be twins. We have seen several characters deal with loss (Ando/Hiro/Future Hiro; DL/family), including how Nathan deals with Peter’s supposed death. I think it will be more interesting to see how Peter reacts to Nathan’s assassination rather than Nathan’s brush with death (which has already happened).
Peter pretty much has nobody that’s right beside him now (well, Matt’s on his team – but I don’t think their history is too smooth), and the next closet significant figure is back to… -enter Sylar?
HAPPY NOW
God, that’s a wonderful news.
Thanks to anyone who is responsible for that.
So…
hurray?!
I was debating on either buying Chicken Robot season 2 for $24.99
or
The Simpsons Movie for $20 bucks
It is extremely similar to x-men, which is the reason I got sucked in so much I think, but it also does things its own way which is why it’s a nice change. However, I think the Sylar "fight" at the end of the season would’ve been cooler with a bit more length to it and seeing stuff like Niki and Peter work together against him more. I got the sense that the whole series was leading up to all the characters getting together and fighting sylar/stopping the explosion, and while that happened, it could’ve been more… X-men, I guess. I also don’t understand why Hiro thought his one stab was enough to finish off Sylar but oh well.
Hiro is by far my favorite character, I don’t see how he could not be anyone’s favorite. 😛 I really like Peter as well and I hope/assume that him exploding doesn’t mean he’s gone from the series. Other than that I really generally like everyone, except for characters like Parkman’s fbi "partner" who is a bitch and you aren’t supposed to really like anyways? I also wish Sylar had been killed because, I dunno, I feel like his character is done and that there isn’t much more they can do with him without just making him more insanely powerful.
If you remember the episode "Five Years Later" properly, you’ll realise that even though Peter did ‘explode’ in that timeline, he was still around. Thanks to Claire’s ability he absorbed to her contact.
Yeah, but in that timeline he was on the ground when he exploded.
MY POINT IS is that if they wanted to remove him it would have been easy enough to do so but I’m gald they didn’t.
Gonna start season 2 in a few minutes~
Thanks to anyone who is responsible for that.
namly u i suppose, well at least youve switched ur image slightly so im not having to stare at supermans crotch all the time
You should really consider asking yourself about your sexuality.
However, I can’t forgive them for the scenes in Ireland. They’ve fallen into the classic pit here, which is- the Irish are all lovable rogues, they live in a pub and love fightin`! That entire plot set in Ireland made he despise the creator. And the accents! Good god they we’re terrible. Also, Peter falling in love with the sweet little Irish cailin was just so…predictable. 🙁
All that added to the New Orleans story really made me rethink why I’m even watching the show.
But, it did find its way once again. The introduction of Elle was great. I seriously think she’s the best thing to happen to the show in quite some time. I liked the plot about Adam wanting to release the virus and it was tied in nicely with Hiros story back in Japan 400 years previous.
Although, in classic Heroes fashion they didn’t disappoint with another finale they seemed too rushed. I can understand that much of the story might have been sped up due to the writers strike and them wanting the audience to have a conclusion but it still felt half baked. Still, overall it was a very enjoyable half season. I’ll keep watching.
I was going to complain about the death of Nathan as I think he’s the best character on the show but I won’t. I’ll just hope Claires magic blood does it job again. 🙁
Also also also, get rid of Sylar. His character should have kicked the bucket at the end of season 2. He’s just boring at this point.
However, I can’t forgive them for the scenes in Ireland. They’ve fallen into the classic pit here, which is- the Irish are all lovable rogues, they live in a pub and love fightin`! That entire plot set in Ireland made he despise the creator. And the accents! Good god they we’re terrible. Also, Peter falling in love with the sweet little Irish cailin was just so…predictable. 🙁
All that added to the New Orleans story really made me rethink why I’m even watching the show.
But, it did find its way once again. The introduction of Elle was great. I seriously think she’s the best thing to happen to the show in quite some time. I liked the plot about Adam wanting to release the virus and it was tied in nicely with Hiros story back in Japan 400 years previous.
Although, in classic Heroes fashion they didn’t disappoint with another finale they seemed too rushed. I can understand that much of the story might have been sped up due to the writers strike and them wanting the audience to have a conclusion but it still felt half baked. Still, overall it was a very enjoyable half season. I’ll keep watching.
I was going to complain about the death of Nathan as I think he’s the best character on the show but I won’t. I’ll just hope Claires magic blood does it job again. 🙁
Also also also, get rid of Sylar. His character should have kicked the bucket at the end of season 2. He’s just boring at this point.
Yeah, that whole Irish rogue thing and love interest was a bit weak, aside from that, It was good even though in entirety it went from slow to fast storytelling. I was surprised how quick it finished, the season seemed rather short IMO.
As far as Sylar coming back, it was pretty obvious from the end of the last season that he was still alive with that "villain’s-body-missing-when-left-for-dead" cliche
I thought it was a pretty good twist that he came back without the use of his powers.
However, I can’t forgive them for the scenes in Ireland. They’ve fallen into the classic pit here, which is- the Irish are all lovable rogues, they live in a pub and love fightin`! That entire plot set in Ireland made he despise the creator. And the accents! Good god they we’re terrible. Also, Peter falling in love with the sweet little Irish cailin was just so…predictable. 🙁
Tim Kring apologized for the shitty beginning and the terrible West/Claire and Peter/what’s-her-name storylines (or something like that) midway through the season, which is why they basically went away. So… hurray?
All that added to the New Orleans story really made me rethink why I’m even watching the show.
The New Orleans storyline was one of my favorites in the show, but it didn’t seem very devoloped on and the ending for it wasn’t great at all.
But, it did find its way once again. The introduction of Elle was great. I seriously think she’s the best thing to happen to the show in quite some time. I liked the plot about Adam wanting to release the virus and it was tied in nicely with Hiros story back in Japan 400 years previous.
I hate Elle. Why do so many people like her?
I lolled when Noah tied her up and she tried to use her powers.
I lolled when Noah tied her up and she tried to use her powers.
Me too. I was hoping she would die.
She’s not a particularly interesting character at all. 🙁
She’s cute and has an awesome power.
….
But don’t think that’s why I hate Elle.
Like I said, I hate characters who are cocky from the start.
Why do people like her?.
She’s cute and has an awesome power.
….The power to create electrical charge, big deal.
All she is, is a freakin’ human battery, She’s basically a female Electro. Candice was a way better villain with her illusion power.
I like Claire and Peter the best coz they really can’t die unless something that kills them stays inside them (or they get a virus or something, yes?)
I am pretty much obsessed with Heroes and SO pissed about the writers’ strike. I’ve already watched my box set of the first series twice while waiting for it to come back on (Australia saw the 2nd series like a day after each episode aired in the US).
when does the show get truly good?
I asked my friend who’s addicted to the show but she didn’t really give me a straight answer. Something about how much she loves Sylar and Milo and blaeaerhghgg
So that’s why the season felt rushed and rather short.
What sucks is that it’s already too late to recover the season of any scripted show ’till next year regardless of whether the strike ends sooner or later. 🙁
Oh, and BTW, the term used on this show is "Volume." What we saw at the end of last year was Volume Two. They were planning to follow it up after the winter break with Volume 3: Villains, but obviously, that didn’t happen.
‘k. I couldn’t bring myself to like it either. Sorry 🙁
I can only point you to www.rslinks.org which has rapidshare links for the series, and for a dozen other awesome stuff.
And I am currently downloading season 2 because 1) I haven’t watched all the episodes and 2) too lazy to wait for it to come out on DVD (which is most likely when season 3 airs).
So, the new season has started and I’m very happy to see that it’s exactly what I hoped for and then some. The pacing so far is tight; the plot development is racing ahead at full steam instead of plodding like it did in the previous seasons. I’m still unsure of some of the character arcs, but the central ones are strong enough so far for it to not matter much.
Frankly, all the stuff going on around Nathan has me stumped so far. I can’t come up with a single explanation for this phantom Linderman or Ali Larter’s new character. I’m looking forward to seeing where that one goes, but I’m reserving judgment because most of the outcomes I can’t predict are the worst ones possible.
Claire’s arc is pretty dull so far. So she’s special somehow. Big whoop. Kring has to try a bit harder than that to make me care.
Parkman is a non-entity at this point and I’m almost wishing he’d just go away. His story needs to bring out a hook fast or he’ll become dead weight.
The real star at this point, as far as I’m concerned, is Sylar. His creepiness factor has been ratcheted up and Quinto is doing a fantastic job with his portrayal. I loved his stalking of Claire and seeing a bit more of how his power works. If he actually hooks up with the team of super-crooks on the loose, it could be pretty wild.
And of course, Hiro’s arc is looking promising. His little game of tag with the speedster was pure win. The thing that concerns me is the bit about him seeing Ando killing him in the future. I suppose that can come back into play with another visit to the future, but that plot device is becoming a bit overused.
And a random thought: Did it occur to anyone else that in previous seasons of the show, it would have taken three episodes just to see Hiro open the safe?
yeah, i am so confused with linderman too. i don’t think it’s really him (dur to me). i think that maybe nathan is compensating for something or for some action he did so he created linderman in his mind. although i can’t explain how nathan got healed.
nikki is just going crazy. how the fuck does her power work because now she can freeze? i am really curious to see how this tracy personality works. it seems like it is a combo of both nikki and jessica. also, it was super cool to see her with the band of villains. speaking of, that scene where everyone was dead made my eyes widen. to see claire’s head 5 feet away from her body was pretty shocking.
i agree with claire. she’s been getting kind of boring. she better get some offensive powers soon, cause i am getting frustrated with her stagnant abilities. it was cool to see her all evil, though.
Parkman was always useless, imo. they never really expanded upon him
sylar is cool, but he’s too broken. someone needs to rise up and challenge him (not peter). i am super interested to see how this mya/mohinder thing is going to play out
hiro is getting boring to me. oh, yeah, go through time AGAIN. bug whoop. speedster girl was really interesting though. can’t wait to see who she’s working for.
FINALLY we got to see what angela’s power is. after two damn years of waiting we finally got to see that she has prophetic dreams.
hahaha, yeah, i thought the same thing about the safe thing.
***SPOILER***(How do you do that fancy spoiler thing?)
So is Sylar a Pettrelli by blood? He does kind of look like the other two.
and no, they are not related. the actors just share a resemblance.
Like Prak, I’m quite fascinated by this new character by Ali Larter. Apparently she’s some kind of Ice Woman– but what’s her connection with Niki/Jessica– there’s something very weird going on and I’m quite interested to find out what it is. And phantom-Linderman– woo-ee-oo– I don’t know what his role in the whole thing is, but it can’t be good…
Bad news, though– I read that the ratings are still in the dumper, based on the "fast nationals." Apparently it was down 25% from the last season’s premiere and was only third for the night in the coveted 18-49 group.
Now – all these people could have had their memories replaced – that is just a little far fetched – even for this show. Even more so – it would be a cheap gimmick to eat up time like the memory wipe of Peter at the beginning of the second season.
Claire is indeed, boring. Its the same thing all over again…
This new Peter character is strange. He can change his shape, but the shape shifter in the series, that girl, was killed by Sylar.
What if Tracy is in fact Jessica, with amnesia? Jessica is Nikki’s twin sister, so it could make sense.
And we still have not seen some characters. There is that black girl that can do everything she sees, Mika, Molly, and Parkman’s dad.
Also, Hiro’s dad talked of someone with purity in blood. That could be Claire, as she is the only "special" among the specials.
also, scratch my past theory about nikki. my friends and i were talking and i realized something else that was much more plausible. ok, nikki as nikki was weak, right? she got pushed around and stuff and was meek. then, suddenly, we found out she had jessica who was a strong person both in her personality and in her power. now, we see tracy has the power to freeze, and nikki was stuck in a fire. i think that nikki develops personalities that develop the powers she needs for a situation. she was stuck in a fire so she developed one that could freeze so she could freeze the flames around her and escape. and to relate it to jessica, tracy seems sort of cold, but then again, she’s a "business women"-type in politics, so she sort of has to be.
In any event; to remain on topic – Anyone else think it was funny that Pete was in Francis Capra’s body – an actor who was on Veronica Mars with Kristen Bell (El)?
Hello, fanatics of the show Heroes, the 3rd season has began and I’d just like to say, it gave me some hope for this series. Thanks to the writers strike, I felt like the 2nd season lacked quite a bit. I mean, it was good, but it didn’t do anything to develop the characters, all they did was introduce a couple new heroes, and did fuck all to make any one of them as enjoyable as Hiro. Seriously. The whole reason I started watching Heroes was because of Hiro Nakamura. If the story wasn’t as great as it is, and didn’t suck me in, I would’ve stopped long ago. However, seems like Tim Kring is deciding to fucking develop characters. Now, I’ll say this, the actors in this show are phenomenal, but other then Hiro, and possibly Ando (who rarely made an appearance up to this point), they don’t make me care for them any less. Peter is basically too fucking dry, Nathan does fuck all, Claire though pleasing to look at, is generally unlikable to me as a character because she’s emotionally tormented, now that isn’t to say that other characters aren’t but the fact that it gets to her it’s just makes me go "ehhhhhhhhhhh." Suresh… ugh, what a twat. Noah, he seemed cool, but him being obsessive turned me off. Matt Parkman’s character who never really grew at all in character development. There were instances, but after that it went back to square-fucking-one. Also, fuck Niki Sanders, the most annoying character on the show, and your can’t care for her AT ALL. Oops Jew, you’re a part-time mother/ stripper who got into bed with the wrong people (figuratively, and literally).
Now, I have been side tracked with my own personal tangents on this show, let’s get down to talking about the season 3 premiere episode. So finally, Tim Kring has started to develop characters or so it seems. Until he falls flat on his face, and lands in a puddle of shit. But he gets up and wipes the specks of dog feces from his shirt. So, did he develop character’s a bit more? No. he really only got the ball rolling with Elle to be a better character, and not just a bitch. Everyone except for Hiro and Ando is still the same unlikable bastard. Also, it seems like they’re introducing more fucking characters to compensate for shite ones… but since they’re new, you can’t fucking like them right off the bat. Aside from the characters, the story does get better, and there are lovely twists here and there… well, excluding the cliffhanger ending that was fucking predictable, and you all probably expected it. Nevertheless, all this show can do is get better; maybe not character wise, but it should develop the plot a hellovalot more.
That’s all there is to it.
Muchly so. he seems to have the best personality, and the widest character depth. But, to each his own right? Ofcourse, if Rorschach enters the Heroes universe that might change a bit 😀
Nikki is 100% dead. I understand we have the same actor but … it just seemed like a cheap way to end her story arc and start a new one but keep the actor. I dunno. Anyway – who else laughed at Papa Syler? lol
What happened to Caitlin? Peter doesn’t seem too troubled.
Also… Sylar! Holy crap! He was so… likeable in the future. I forgot to breathe during the scene where he gets thrown across the room – and when Peter calls out ‘Gabriel’ just before he blows up. I wonder what will happen now that he has the hunger.
Finally, Adam’s entry was totally unexpected (and awesome); I didn’t even know what they were trying to get until the very last second. I thought Hiro was digging up his father’s grave or something. No idea how he’s a vital part in helping Hiro, though – and why would Angela dig him up if she saw him in her nightmare vision-dream? She’s weird.
i don’t think they’d just kill off nikki 100%. i think the guy is gonna make her again. cause she was a clone or something, right? i kind of missed that part/didn’t understand.
i lol’d at the sylar thing. imo, he looked and acted really gay.
and yeah, i totally didn’t see the adam part coming either
I always thought that Sylar was not entirely responsible for his actions, and now I’m very pleased with the development of his character.
This is actually what I’ve been wanting for a long time. The internet still in its youth and untainted with millions of blogs and lolcats.
Yes, my original guess was Claire (because Sylar mentioned that she was special compared to the others). But what Angela said to Hiro changed my mind. Angela told Hiro that he was their only hope, now that the formula was gone. Hiro was the only one who knew where Adam was buried, and in the next scene they brought him back. I believe that Angela told Hiro to unearth Adam, becase he is the one with pure blood.
Oh, I completely feel you on that.
OKAY TIM KRING OR ANYONE ELSE FROM THE HEROES STAFF READING THIS, GIVE ME A JOB AS A WRITER, AND I’LL MAKE YOUR CHARACTERS LESS SHITE!
Other than my cynicism of the characters (even Hiro is acting like a douche a bit). The story is still great. Also, the whole Triplets thing still has me going "METAL GEAR?"
Well, maybe, though now that you said it, it makes total sense. He definitely seems like he ought to be a target, especially for those with a villainous nature– he’s the only one (we know of) that actually has the capability to stop peoples’ powers cold.
As to examples of limits being placed on characters to keep them from becoming to powerful – Pete’s amnesia at the start of season 2 / Syler having the "cure." Think of how different the second season would have went if they had control of their powers – they didn’t limit it them just for plot intrigue – even though that is a latent function of the choice.
In any event – the bump reminded me of the thread.
Has anyone else been watching? Holy shit!
I had some guesses as to who Syler had a kid with in the future but El? The flashback episode border lines retconn but I will let it pass.
SCORE!!!!!!
– In all seriousness – <3
touche, guy, touche
Which brings me to another point. Sylar claims he doesn’t enjoy killing, but I seem to remember him tormenting Elle by turning his gun into gold then trying to cut her head open. And there was really no need to kill Alejandro, was there?
BTW, for those who don’t know, Heroes let go two of its executive producers — Jeff Loeb (Leob?) and Jesse Alexander. Apparently they’re looking to return more to the character-driven storytelling that defined the first-season. I guess we’ll have to see how things go.
Which brings me to another point. Sylar claims he doesn’t enjoy killing, but I seem to remember him tormenting Elle by turning his gun into gold then trying to cut her head open. And there was really no need to kill Alejandro, was there?
Well, Sylar hated Elle for betraying him. At least that was his reaction when he saw her using her ability.
Also, Sylar seems to need someone to care for, in order to control his hunger. At the beginning it was Elle. After he was betrayed, he started hunting people with abilities. In the first episodes of Heroes, Mohinter finds a tape, in which Saylar is talking to Mohinder’s dad, and he tells him "I can’t control it. I don’t want to.". This shows that he has given up on trying to control his hunger. This conversation takes place after the incident with Elle.
In the current season, Sylar started fighting his hunger when he was accepted by his mother, and later on his father. In the future, Sylar again controls his hunger, and specifies that he does it because of his son.
Sylar has a hunger for knowledge, and because he could not control it, he was driven by it and killed people in order to "understand" them, and the only way that he knew how to do that was by exposing their brain – therefore killing them.