Whats your opinion on leechers and how to deal with them?
My true opinion on the matter varies though, to the extent that I can see both sides of the story.
Let me say something interesting, at least 3 user accounts were made more than likely to dowload the BT3 rip, but they made comments. But many more may have been made for the same reason, but with NO comment. Unfortunately, all of my opinions of this aren’t completely organized on this. I may have to post later to further talk about how I feel.
"I want this OST now" after 2 hours "WTF"
"I want this OST now" after 2 hours "WTF"
Indeed, I have likely encoutered a situation like this at least once. (Even if not recent)
Even great community like Gamemp3s gets very very few feedbacks and thanks.. but they rip and share maybe 50% of all releases (especially this year).
So you are asking more feedback on a board like FF Shrine ?
Have you seen the stats ? Members: 144,038, Active Members: 23,076
That’s a fucking lot of leechers that’s true. But there is no moderation here, no quality control..
I think you’ll have to live with it.. or just stop to waste your time ripping for nothing.
Oh.. i’d really LOVE a system with protected links (for example, you must reply to the post, or have a certain number of posts)..
But i guess Sarah will never do it. GFF is a business before everything, never forget that.
I concur with this too. It helps to keep track of who’s downloading what.
Plus there’s a lot of unappreciative fucktards who request for stuff, then disappear into the interwebz without a single thanks.
At another forum I frequent, they do this there. You can also reply with "thanks" too, though i think this is a loophole around the tracking because they can delete their post with the thanks.
Example: My recently uploaded complete Gamerip of Ragnarok. I uploaded it a couple days ago. It was downloaded 15 times, but I only got 1 thanks.
Even worse the Perfect Cherry Blossom-rip. 14 downloads, no thanks at all.
I’m new to this board, and I try to put up stuff which wasn’t upped already, especially older things, so people can have access to that as well – I tho feel a bit like doing that for nothing.
Aisha’s point of view is great, tho, that’s for sure.
Edit: I sometimes happen to download something and forget to say thanks in that moment, but normally I’ll thank when I see the thread again. =)
How many mods does this forum have anyway?
I mean im not complaining but the general discussion section is an absolute shithole.
But first, I do agree that it’d be nice to be thanked, especially since gamerips are sometimes a lot more work than just a simple soundtrack. I do recordings, which can take hours to get just right. But since I will only do it for my own library (since I don’t fill requests beyond my availability), I won’t post until it meets my needs. For rips, I like feedback. OSTs I really couldn’t care less.
But another forum I belng to actually has a policy that forbids gratitude. I’ve posted a simple ‘thank you’ only to see the post deleted. I guess they consider it a form of bump.
But back to my original purpose. What gets to me in regadrs to the leeching are those who register, make only one request, and are never heard from again … or only request without ever contributing to topics or even uploads. I’ve always wondered if those leechers shouldn’t be warned or something. Maybe something like before making a request, they need to upload one soundtrack, but sometimes that’s not possible. As a Capcom lover, what other albums could I add that aren’t already here, right? Still, i just seems like a waste of time uploading for someone who will just disappear without any appreciation, right?
it sort of encourages pointless additions to the forums though. people posting just to get their count up.
I have thought about trying some things to encourage participation though. possible something rep based… not EVERYTHING would require x rep to view, but there could be a special forum only for non leechers with bonus stuff [ftps, etc]
Is this intended to be a philosophical statement about the nature of humanity?
Seriously, how hard is it to say, "Thank you"? I don’t see how asking for a thank you post is hypocritical in any way.
And yes sarah your right about people getting there post count up by spamming just to access the links, but i think with some good moderation those spammers can be dealt with.
Heh.. You’r wrong about this, there is lots (and i mean LOTS) of capcom albums that are not on GFF and in those forums. 😉
But this is off-topic.. back to the subject:
There is not any perfect system i am afraid, on some boards there is a certain number of post to achieve to have access to certain sub-forums or to see links (but that would encourage spamming).
Some other boards ask a reply to see the original post.
On others, you must upload or participate before (but like Sliat explain, that would create lots of useless uploads)
Finally there is moderation.. first the board is not set on "auto-join-with-any-fake-email-since-it’s-useless", i don’t even understand why it’s so easy to join this board. This could lessen the number of members, 0 posters, and multiple accounts.. Once again there is like 20K Active users for 140K accounts ? How crazy is that?
You can even go further with selection.. and make it quite underground with hardcore collectors and not with every casual listeners "hey-do-you-got-xx-soundtrack-oh-great-kthxbye" of the world. (but GFF will never be a place like this).
In fact there is not any good solution.. since you can’t force people to reply, you can’t force anyone to thank you for your work.
Now i think a good idea would be to activate the "Download Links" forum to 10 posts minimum, and the "Requests" forum at 20.
I’d love to see more moderation indeed, with real moderators and maybe a grade system.
Ash Ketchum as Mod and I’m gonna shoot myself. =P
Edit:
I’m on another download-board, and they have a "Thanks"-with-Rep-System. If you like a download, you click on a lil button and so thank for the upload. Underneath is a list in which stands which users thanked. And with every Thanks-click you’ll get a reputation point or something.
Clicky me! (
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This is bullshit sorry.. since when a spammer in the general board (since all "heavy-posters" are there) can be a good moderator ?
And the majority of the guys hanging on the general forums does not even care about music anyway.
I like the idea of a "thanks-robot-like" though, or something that hide the link and reveals the names of those who clicked 😉
I keep remembering the other place I previously mentioned which banned thanking. The thanking idea to unlock features is probably the ideal choice and I can’t understand why (other than the excuse of bumping) thanks should be banned.
Protect your files the password, and send the password only to that user who will ask.
Password files? That might work, I guess. You only give the password out to people with either a minimum post or upload count, but what’s to stop someone who gets your password to just blatantly put it out there (or pm-ing it to others without your consent). Ban ’em, sure, but there’s always ways around it (new emails, ip changing techniques), ect…
And the majority of the guys hanging on the general forums does not even care about music anyway.
I like the idea of a "thanks-robot-like" though, or something that hide the link and reveals the names of those who clicked 😉
Don’t assume that all heavy posters are in the general board…I would consider myself a heavy poster, but I stick to the Anime/VGM forum. I can’t say whether those on the general forums care about music or not.
Perhaps Sarah would consider one or two mods for the music section, since that’s so heavily trafficked. Maybe someone who’s active here, like Sharon Agathon or Axersia or Simon B. (I know there are others, that’s just off the top of my head.) It wouldn’t have to be lay-down-the-smack, but more like another go-to for questions and forum issues.
I think the way we are now is not bad.
As I said earlier, morons are everywhere.
I have thought about trying some things to encourage participation though. possible something rep based… not EVERYTHING would require x rep to view, but there could be a special forum only for non leechers with bonus stuff [ftps, etc]There is something similar to this in a MMA forum I go to. They implemented the system for pretty much the same reason people here are grieving over music leechers here, so people can’t just sign up and freeload.
The rep system is also nice for reasons other than this topic alone, for example, I thought someone had a good and informative post but I have no real way of showing appreciation for it or to show distaste for posts that are complete nonsense. With the system, that would allow for people to do this.
The rep system isn’t without it’s weaknesses however but it would be a bit difficult to explain atm. I’m all for the rep system though.
Right there with you! But how about a thanks-per-click addon, also known as thankomat?
To up the ante, combined with a spoiler if really needed / easy
I will always say thanks if I download something.
If access were based on post count, rep or some other system, I’d agree. But I don’t think a "click the thanks button to see the links" would be a hassle for users or would deter anyone from downloading, since it’s little to no extra effort. Plus, it would give uploaders some idea of how many people here like the album/rip.
I post my upload links several places, so when hosting sites give me the total number of downloads, I don’t know where they’re coming from. I’m more likely to upload stuff for a forum if I know people there will want to download. So for me, it’s less about the thanks and more about not wanting to waste my time if no one wants the album I put up.
Just my two cents.
Takes way more effort to create the tracks in the first place than to rip them.
The music industry as a whole is in unbelievable turmoil right now because no one want to pay for music.
Artist who play live can do better cause they sell tickets and CDs at shows.
The people like me who create stuff that doesn’t lend itself to live performances are a little screwed.
That’s why I have a normal day job doing something else now…
I wonder what’s going to happen to the quality of music in general if trends continue this way and it gets even harder and harder than it was before to make a living doing music.
just seems a bit pointless to me?
situation a: people enjoy the music but for whatever reason don’t thank you.
situation b: people enjoy the music but thank you, simply because they’re forced to.
though if everyone wants it I suppose I can do it if people find a hack for it on vbulletin.org.
I wonder what’s going to happen to the quality of music in general if trends continue this way and it gets even harder and harder than it was before to make a living doing music.
the average number of cd’s sold per year has been pretty consistently significantly higher than in the past after the advent of napster. the biggest difference is that people get exposure [and then are more likely to buy] more obscure music.
situation a: people enjoy the music but for whatever reason don’t thank you.
situation b: people enjoy the music but thank you, simply because they’re forced to.
though if everyone wants it I suppose I can do it if people find a hack for it on vbulletin.org.
the average number of cd’s sold per year has been pretty consistently significantly higher than in the past after the advent of napster. the biggest difference is that people get exposure [and then are more likely to buy] more obscure music.
They are not being forced to do anything, Its just the normal thing to do when soemone offers you something, and it keeps the thread alive and people will be more interested in the links.
But any case, its your decision, I just think it would be really beneficial imho.
Well, this could be a dangerous side effect! Just an idea to prevent:
Change/extend the sort order in this forums to get the thread with the last thanks on the top
if someone makes a NEW thread, all of the old threads will instantly bury it with all of the bumps from the forced thanks. people won’t even see the new gamerips.
Still ready for changes? 😉
if someone makes a NEW thread, all of the old threads will instantly bury it with all of the bumps from the forced thanks. people won’t even see the new gamerips.
Another good reason! May result in the next step to find out the best sequence
ORDER BY $newest DESC
$newest could define all your priorities in terms of time
Example: I made this thread (Thread 47505) a few days ago. There’s only eight replies yet the first part of this rip I had uploaded has received at least 20 downloads so far. I don’t give a damn if people post, all I care about is whether the files I upload is actually downloaded or not.
Point being: FFShrine is fine the way it is. I don’t see any need for change.
I’d say make a thread only if you have the time to actually fill and upload requests from other people. I can’t decide what you should do, after all.
Still ready for changes? 😉
Another good reason! May result in the next step to find out the best sequence
ORDER BY $newest DESC
$newest could define all your priorities in terms of time
then threads which are continiously updated will never resurface :-\
Utterly false. The number has plummetted. Just type in CD Sales Trends into Google or Live…
IE
http://blog.wired.com/music/2007/11/cd-sales-down-2.html
http://news.digitaltrends.com/news/story/12526/us_cd_sales_down_20_percent
Sure there’s more exposure for the little guy, but that’s in competition with gazillions of other little guys. It’s REALLY hard to actually sell anything significant these days because people EXPECT free music.
Unless you play live I’m thinking being a professional musician that makes enough to support a family is just about impossible these days. You can make money….I’ve done it….but not enough for my family and current needs. The money I made was NOT through CD sales 🙂
2) you didn’t exactly include the entire picture… "Nielsen SoundScan says music CD sales are down 20 percent in the first quarter of 2007: digital album sales also dropped, while digital singles sales climbed."
people have been saying they want to be able to buy single tracks for eons now. they finally can. it makes sense people aren’t buying cds they never wanted in the first place.
3) I never said cd sales are an ideal way to make a living. they’re not now, but they never have been: the number of musicians who have been able to support themselves financially from cd sales alone has always been absurdly low.
4) most of the "sales falling !" statistics are from the riaa et all, and don’t include independent labels which have obviously had explosive growth as they’re getting more exposure.
and all of this is ignoring the fact that prior to internet fandom, video game music sales were essentially nil in the US.
They also say: "CD sales have been tailing off for years, and now the infrastructure that supports them (retail stores) are reacting by using that space to sell other stuff. The CD sales drop could also accelerate faster than expected as a result."
And the second article says: "Music industry figures have shown a steady decline in music CD sales over the last several years; "
2) you didn’t exactly include the entire picture… "Nielsen SoundScan says music CD sales are down 20 percent in the first quarter of 2007: digital album sales also dropped, while digital singles sales climbed."
That doesn’t make up for lost CD sales, this from the second article
"however, music CDs still account for more than 90 percent of all album purchases. Nielsen’s combined CD and digital album sales figures (which the company estimates by considering every 10 digital tracks to be an album) show overall album sales down 10 percent during the first quarter of 2007. "
4) most of the "sales falling !" statistics are from the riaa et all, and don’t include independent labels which have obviously had explosive growth as they’re getting more exposure.
Bottom line is retail stores are dying and online sales are not making up for it.
FFS forums are good as they are now.
A new system would be too complicated, and since the forums are really active, a "forced-thanks-auto-bump-thread" system is not a really good idea.
I guess if you absolutly want your stuff to be not leeched by everyone, you could state in your post that you give the URL or a password only in private.