i try to help if i can of course!
What an assholes. Trying to bring a whole community down with lot’s of people for only 2 working links…
Sadly, that’s the extent of their knowledge on how these things work.
I have found enough (all I think) necessary songs from the game, and see that it might be more useful to everyone if you could put them up on GH (as well as the fact I don’t like to get tangled up in file upload sites) so that no one needs to look around anymore. I’ll send the .zip to you if you wish; just let me know.
I am really afraid of that… Let’s hope not /pray
Now it’s only existing for creating profite for those people who have enough anyway. And anyone who doesn’t accept this and "steals" music by downloading it turns into a bad person, a pirate…
The world turns into a worse place every day.
please let me know if there are any two steps from hell links on the forums. thanks.
Hello, I read your topic, I would like to known If I am doing wrong posting my cds that I like soo much, I only want to share my music that I like so everybody can have it too, I am not looking to have any profit only make other members happy, I own the cd’s they are original not fakes. not bottlegs, I bought them, I didn’t want to break any rule from here But I really want to know what to do, So I can’t get in trouble.
I have same feelings about movies because I don???t really enjoy them..but I love music and I hate and loathe music thieves…and I happily pay 40 euros from a single cd.
Thanks to the website of really come to appreciate Hans Zimmer and others artists like Hayato Matsuo, Michiru Yamane, Kenji Ito, and Go Shiina. I’ve even come to appreciate nameless artists that many companies haven’t really given much credit to such as the artists behind the Bonk and Hyper Wars videogames. So these days I actually do hunt down and try to buy some of their Cd’s and sample works. Though it sucks that most of the stuff here can’t be found in 99% of the local stores.
Up until a few years ago, I had little interest in music and much less in the artists that created them. That changed as I started to look up and listen to much of the music on this site.
Yet these artists need to make a living, and illegal copies of music do hurt their sales and thus their livelihood, even if we intend to buy their Cd’s… there is no guarantee we will later for whatever reason or excuse that may pop up. So by all means, whomever requests something removed, then we must comply for the welfare of this site, and out of respect for those who have invested time, skill, and money into creating these works.
One thing to note though, I don’t believe this site to be a major cause loss of sales. Despite all the music here. Many of us do buy it, and when people present arguments telling us that the struggling music industry is failing because of pirates and websites like ours. They are being pretty narrow minded since they are actually in fault for their own shortcomings. If The market hadn’t gotten so stale with repetitive mainstream music (Endorsing rap was like like endorsing plagiarism to a degree.) and their refusal to embrace MP3’s and online marketing opened up all their pirating problems to begin with. Really, It’s gotten to the point that mainsteam music hardly sounds all that different from the next 20 songs following in the same station and even into the next couple.
Funny thing is, I download loads of music, (nearly have 1 TB total, lol) but I also have loads of CDs (over 2,100), and I nearly break myself going to shows and such. I suppose any measure of guilt should depend on the person’s level of fanaticism toward music in general. A lot of the stuff I download is OOP or more expensive than I can care to deal with, but I love having actual copies just as much as (sometimes much more than) I love having only MP3s. I’m pretty much just addicted to music, lol.
It is because nothing in this world comes for free.
Of course sometimes they go out of their way to include extra arrange tracks or something… bu I dunno that’s a personal moral call everyone has to decide on.
However I’d be perfectly happy with paying a normal price for a game soundtrack, but we all know that once it gets to America there’s all sorts of import charges that rape you.
It’s largely not our fault, some of these albums are so frustratingly hard to track down, why should we feel bad when we at least TRIED to get the legit thing?
Anyway I’m new here. I’ve always browsed through this site every so often, but never understood what it was all about. But I see a whole bunch of intelligent people that just want to share their love for VGM. And I can totally appreciate and relate to that.
Just be glad we are often the most ignored legal infringement group, because we aren’t criminals, just music lovers of anime and games and material not easy to come by. It’s much more different then actual movie and videogame piracy which costs billions to the companies. At most we only cut into a few thousand bucks worth of music overall. We barely hit even a fraction of a percentage of the music market. So long as we avoid posting music of people who aware of us and don’t want us to such as Yngwie Malmsteen and other big name artists, then they’ll turn a blind eye.
You might want to take a look at this post on a recent "Video Games Live: Vol 1" thread:
http://forums.ffshrine.org/showpost.php?p=1104901&postcount=34
Straight from the horse’s mouth, if I may say so.
musicians get paid regardless when the game was made. people buy the games anyway so they all get their royalties through that.
downloading mp3 from a game doesnt influence or effect the sale of a game. i dont see how this bothers muscians other than their ego. this is completely different from downloading an album by a band cause that does effect their sales.
this goes the same with movies. if you d/l superman soundtrack it doesnt hurt john williams. he was paid $ millions by the movie studio to make it and also recieves royalties everytime its played on radio, tv, and other medias. when you buy the dvd, in part you own that property. so is there a harm in downloading the soundtrack no?
i see jack walls point on the vgl album. thats a live album effort based on non original music. him and tommy wont recieve royalties cause the music was by other people. however for another example, mass effect by the same guy isnt an issue. i own the 360 game. so whats the point in buying the ost? the guy got paid and his money from the game developer as well my game purchase.
discuss.
I wouldn’t download that for the same reason I won’t pirate small time bands I like that much and the like. I want them to receive the sales so they will want to make another album. In fact…now that I just realized the Tron, Halo, and Castlevania Rock suites are on there…*clicks preorder* Take that, Jack Wall. I just preordered it. Wait, no, that’s a good thing.
I don’t think it matters much about Video Game or Movie/TV Show OSTs compared to music albums. If this site was hosting a huge library of albums from all sorts of artists, available to download for free, then it’d be a whole different field. I don’t think we should worry too too much about the matter, besides, the only corporations getting upset over these kind of things, are the people running the file-sharing sites. That’s it.
To tell you the truth, this is haven, just how often do you see video game music soundtracks up for sale at a local CD store? Not many or not at all, you can only find them online or with stores that is 100% made for gamers. I think we shouldn’t be nailed for finding another way to get the impossibles, we’re all not rich either.
a kind of complicated reason huh?.
I see … u will be married soon =) … hmm … GOD BLESS U
so what else?
There are still exists manga comic (with translated) website
There are still exists manga movie website (mpeg1 size until dvd version download)
There are still exists Videoclip (which contain audio+video) and some files are high quality
There will be exists "ffshrine.org" in future
btw: don’t forget to invite me when "the day of complicated reason" comes
…what?
Now it’s only existing for creating profite for those people who have enough anyway. And anyone who doesn’t accept this and "steals" music by downloading it turns into a bad person, a pirate…
The world turns into a worse place every day.
Never have I seen so much win and reality on ONE post.
We love music, it doesn’t matter if you don’t want people upload or download the music. But as long as you don’t have a proof that your song is originally yours, you cannot shut down this forum or talk about illegal things.
In my country, people are free to upload their song and let other people to download it as long as the song has bought before. Once we bought something, we have the right to do with our item, isn’t it?
SO, as long as we love music, why not share it to other people???
Don’t thing about illegal such thing…
This world is free for us, isn’t it?
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We love music, it doesn’t matter if you don’t want people upload or download the music. But as long as you don’t have a proof that your song is originally yours, you cannot shut down this forum or talk about illegal things.
In my country, people are free to upload their song and let other people to download it as long as the song has bought before. Once we bought something, we have the right to do with our item, isn’t it?
SO, as long as we love music, why not share it to other people???
Don’t thing about illegal such thing…
This world is free for us, isn’t it?
People are free to share music in your country once it’s been bought because your country doesn’t enforce restrictions on the ownership of intellectual property.
When people argue against piracy or the sharing of music and movies, they often try to draw a very simple analog between downloading a movie or song and physically stealing a copy of the album or movie. Your country’s laws essentially follow the same line of reasoning – you buy a box of candy, what’s wrong with dolling it out to your friends? You buy a game, who cares if you lend it around amongst your social circle? And in your case, you buy some music or videos, what’s the big deal if you share?
The facts are, in the US and other countries, the concept of video and music purchase is very alien and completely unknown even to most people who buy their media! When you purchase a movie or song in the US, you’re really not so much legally buying a physical copy of your media to do with what you wish; you’re buying, for lack of a better term, a license to access the IP holder’s material through some arbitrary medium (DVD, CD, Blu-Ray, whatever digitally protected music format you downloaded online from a music store). Although not bound by a contract you sign at the video store, you’re definitely legally coerced to obey this contract you probably never gave much mind to. You’ve all seen the obnoxious five second "COPYING IS PROHIBITED" warnings that litter the previews of a commercial DVD, and these policies largely apply to music CDs as well.
Is it illegal to pirate this stuff? Absolutely. Is it just to do so, for any reason? No. The material has been commercially released under a very specific set of codified laws and contract. Your personal stance on whether or not music or data should be free is completely irrelevent to the law in the countries where I’m guessing most of us posters reside. If you live in an outlier country like Synch does, where there really are no legal ramifications – enjoy yourself while you can, because countries that reject the restrictions and responsibilities that come with a worldwide digital age are going to find themselves on the butt end of multiple embargoes on digital media by the end of the 21st century. Not even a thriving bootleg market will be able to completely remedy that.
The fact is, somebody laboured to create something and released their work under a license that they expect to have followed. As an artist, that is their right. Trying to pretend we have some intrinsic right to enjoy an artist’s work regardless of his terms is a blatant insult to the artist.
I feel we should lose the hippie attitude and face the facts: we’re not practicing some "fundamental right to joy" that trumps the code of law, we’re downloading and sharing some awesome game soundtracks. All we can do is enjoy the fact that very few companies bother defending their game music IP. I am sure there are many aficionados among us who will go the distance and buy some of our game music, and I am sure that there are even some of us who will enjoy a randomly pirated soundtrack so much that we’ll go buy the real deal, if just to support the artist – so maybe some iota of good will can creep from our blatant piracy. But whatever, I have a ridiculous amount of OSTs I grabbed here, and I doubt we’ll ever see any ffshrine posters take the stand to be sued for millions, so let’s just keep up the good (bad) stuff while we have the chance.
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t enjoy draconian laws in the least, and by my own confession, I am a massive user of this site (even contributor, occasionally) – I just feel we shouldn’t disillusion ourselves about the nature of what exactly we’re doing. You know what? You’re [most of us, that is] committing crimes, however inoffensive they might be, and while nobody thinks you’re personally robbing the artist blind (because let’s face it, as other posters have already pointed out, it can be absolutely impossible to find some of these OSTs) or throwing a metaphorical brick through their window, you’re still committing a crime. So am I, very regularly. Stop pretending we aren’t basically just criminals here and go with the flow. When this good thing ends for us, it ends. Again, enjoy while you can.
I don’t think it matters much about Video Game or Movie/TV Show OSTs compared to music albums. If this site was hosting a huge library of albums from all sorts of artists, available to download for free, then it’d be a whole different field. I don’t think we should worry too too much about the matter, besides, the only corporations getting upset over these kind of things, are the people running the file-sharing sites. That’s it.
To tell you the truth, this is haven, just how often do you see video game music soundtracks up for sale at a local CD store? Not many or not at all, you can only find them online or with stores that is 100% made for gamers. I think we shouldn’t be nailed for finding another way to get the impossibles, we’re all not rich either.
I don’t mean to quote an old post, but I agree with this statement 100%, especially the last paragraph. You can’t even find domestic VGM albums at any record stores. It’s rediculous. And I don’t remember ever seeing one single commercial on TV advertising a video game soundtrack. EVER. lol
Online is a blessing for us VGM listeners.
There are the editors to the music, the label designers, the manufacturers, the artists, and not to mention the more elaborate the music, the more expensive to produce.
Do you think orchestrated music we all love in our movies and videogames come cheap? Or how about guys like Yngwie Malmsteen, Steve Via? Bands like Nightwish and Sum41, they have to use good quality instruments and speakers for the sound they have. A good guitar can cost thousands, real life size organ pipes cost millions, quality drums, keyboards, speakers that cost insane amounts…
Do I even have to explain how much it costs to own a studio, run it, or simply rent any of that?
Look, I don’t like the music industry all that much in the US. Yet, if we were to simply by one CD, then cause a chain reaction in which millions of unbought copies of the MP3’s are circulated on the net, then you can easily cause a huge number problems to the artist(s) who put effort into the track. I only agree with the downloads on this site because most of them are niche hard to find titles in the US, and the ones I do or can come across I make the effort to buy. But don’t think that just because we foreign music, that aren’t still doing the same thing, because in the end, the money we could of spent on that artist could of fueled further works we could of enjoyed.
It’s impossible to download the third music of Bermuda Syndrome, a beautiful 1995’s game ….http://gh.ffshrine.org/song/2951/2
Name of the music: 03 – torkiin’s last secret.mp3
Thanks, i will be happy and recognize if anybody could solve the problem!!!
My guess would be permission issues. Perhaps some new company brought out the copyright, or the old one expired and they can’t seem to get the courts to sell it back to them. ’cause frankly some really old stuff is still in legal battles over ownership; and the original creator/composer may not get that much say in the matter.
Because there are other musicians, directors, big-time lawyers, companies like Disney, and all kinds of cretins trying to get their hands on it; and until the courts sell it over to whomever they seem to think deserves the rights to it… most of those copyrights are in limbo… which means they can’t release or perhaps even make a remastered rendition.
Though maybe this isn’t true for people who make the music digitally through some program… where as the music almost solely belongs to them.
It’s impossible to download the third music of Bermuda Syndrome, a beautiful 1995’s game ….http://gh.ffshrine.org/song/2951/2
Name of the music: 03 – torkiin’s last secret.mp3
Thanks, i will be happy and recognize if anybody could solve the problem!!!
Why do people have to be ignorant, stupid and moronic? I just can’t understand it. -.-"
http://forums.ffshrine.org/showpost.php?p=1155128&postcount=19
Another thing I look at is this: game soundtracks simply do not come out in American stores. It’s not as though you can go to Target and buy the soundtrack to a PS2 game from 8 years ago that you liked. And if a particular soundtrack was available in Japan 8 years ago, and went out of print…there’s no money to be made on it. Is someone actually losing money if I download the soundtrack to "Evergrace"? Does anyone even remember that damn game? No and no! (Great music, btw…)
i went off on a tangent there i realise. anyway what i really wanted to say was that all the music i’ve seen up for download so far is videogame music, and that’s rare as fuck…. i dunno about the US but i dont think any of these videogame OSTs even come out in england. if something isn’t released for sale in england as it’s not considered ‘profitable’ then surely they won’t mind me downloading it. it’s not like they’re losing money cause i would never have got to buy it in the first place. plus in 99% of these cases whoever downloaded the soundtrack has already spent a large wad of cash on the game itself (and dont tell me games arent overpriced). i’m also guessing that these OSTs (i know a lot of the stuff on here is actual game rips rather than rips of the CD versions of the OSTs anyway) are a pretty limited run. i can’t imagine them pressing thousands of copies of the soundtracks to some of the games mentioned here… thus if they’re limited edition, again the companies wouldn’t be losing money if we downloaded them, as we most likely wouldnt have the chance to buy the soundtracks anyway – particuarly since loads of them are from when we little kids marvelling over 80s megaman or whatever. i think downloading is bad when you rip someone off – but the way i see it, no-one whatsoever is getting ripped off here. these composers have already been paid to do their job, i doubt their major source of income is based on the number of soundtracks sold, more likely the number of games. if i downloaded an album by some struggling band on the breadline and then never bought any of their music, never went to any of the shows and never bought any merch, then i would be totally in the wrong. however, if i download one limited edition game soundtrack that probably never came out in my own country and whom’s makers are already rolling in cash, i don’t see how i’ve done anything wrong… lets just hope other people think like this too. long live this forum, i say.
EDIT – i can’t say *********? b u t t e r f l y ? ? ? ? thats weird
Thanks to the website of really come to appreciate Hans Zimmer and others artists like Hayato Matsuo, Michiru Yamane, Kenji Ito, and Go Shiina. I’ve even come to appreciate nameless artists that many companies haven’t really given much credit to such as the artists behind the Bonk and Hyper Wars videogames. So these days I actually do hunt down and try to buy some of their Cd’s and sample works. Though it sucks that most of the stuff here can’t be found in 99% of the local stores.
Up until a few years ago, I had little interest in music and much less in the artists that created them. That changed as I started to look up and listen to much of the music on this site.
Yet these artists need to make a living, and illegal copies of music do hurt their sales and thus their livelihood, even if we intend to buy their Cd’s… there is no guarantee we will later for whatever reason or excuse that may pop up. So by all means, whomever requests something removed, then we must comply for the welfare of this site, and out of respect for those who have invested time, skill, and money into creating these works.
One thing to note though, I don’t believe this site to be a major cause loss of sales. Despite all the music here. Many of us do buy it, and when people present arguments telling us that the struggling music industry is failing because of pirates and websites like ours. They are being pretty narrow minded since they are actually in fault for their own shortcomings. If The market hadn’t gotten so stale with repetitive mainstream music (Endorsing rap was like like endorsing plagiarism to a degree.) and their refusal to embrace MP3’s and online marketing opened up all their pirating problems to begin with. Really, It’s gotten to the point that mainsteam music hardly sounds all that different from the next 20 songs following in the same station and even into the next couple.
i hate a good deal of the music now…because it is so much like the one before it. I like Nickelback, but many of their songs are the same and it’s ridiculous. It’s as if …well we found a good beat lets go with it. Same for Three Doors Down.
Album dropping in April i believe…. first single out in March, apparently one track off the album (not first single) leaked by label
I aquired it over the weekend… not too hard to find either. for a quick listen hitmyspacemusic
Music once was supposed to be for everyone’s joy.
Now it’s only existing for creating profite for those people who have enough anyway.
thats not quite true. labels take a huge chunk of the cut leaving the band with nothing. bands generally dont start to make money until their 2nd or 3rd album. for many its not enough to live on and they go back to their day jobs.
You must remove illegal distribution links from these and other similar sites:
This is damaging to the artists involved.
who cares about superstars. this is soundtracks movies and games. superstars get paid for from the radio stations, live gigs, music tv royalties, tv promos – live and now through rock band and guitar hero.
i already explained how soundtrack composers already get paid. i fail to see how "it’s damaging" when in reality they get a monthly wage like everyone else gets to pay the rent and put food on the table.
the real issue is the used and rental games market which takes away every royalty due from the developer and publisher.
My Game Over albums are even signatures with Wire’s autograph.
Why?
Because of this thread (http://forums.ffshrine.org/showthread.php?t=68591&).
Can they prove they represent the composer?
Then can I meet them?
I’m not against most downloading for several reasons, but everyone should purchase as much as they can.
So fair enough that we’re hindering maximum profits to Mr. Shorter, but we’re not STARVING him like his ‘representative’ would have you believe.
i already explained how soundtrack composers already get paid. i fail to see how "it’s damaging" when in reality they get a monthly wage like everyone else gets to pay the rent and put food on the table.
the real issue is the used and rental games market which takes away every royalty due from the developer and publisher.
Wrong, they get paid royalties for album and download sales too. Let’s not hurt the artists that bring us such wonderful music?!?!
Aren’t composers usually paid for their work already when doing a score? So really the only thing in downloading a soundtrack that we hurt is additional funds from an OST.
So fair enough that we’re hindering maximum profits to Mr. Shorter, but we’re not STARVING him like his ‘representative’ would have you believe.
Why is it fair to him that you can rationalize how much money he should be able to make? If you enjoy his music, pay for it.
About Varese albums:
Does that include OOP releases?
Like, for instance, "Frankie Starlight", "Shocker", "Lure Of Wilderness", "The Stoning Of Soraya M.", "Rookie Of The Year", "Last Man Standing" (rejected), "Enemy Mine" ….?
And yes, I am really suspicious of this posting. Especially because the eMail this account has in its location ([email protected]) isn’t the same as Lakeshore’s actual eMail-adresses.
FUCK YOU EDDAVI
i already explained how soundtrack composers already get paid. i fail to see how "it’s damaging" when in reality they get a monthly wage like everyone else gets to pay the rent and put food on the table.
the real issue is the used and rental games market which takes away every royalty due from the developer and publisher.
Actually not true. I know a working Hollywood composer and he tells me he gets paid for the sessions and that is it. He makes royalties on the soundtrack sales as well as publishing. The musicians get a piece too.
It’s very different from pop music and these guys aren’t rich so why not support the music you love with a purchase?
The only paychecks you get are from the sessions and scoring, and any published sheet music (i.e. piano arrangement books or concert works). Royalties from soundtracks are very very rare (ask James Horner how much money he makes from soundtracks. It’s next to nothing) and when you do receive royalties it’s worth less than a meal at McDonald’s.
As a composer I support the piracy of my music and any other composer’s music. We want our music to be heard. Many other composers feel the same way. They’re often involved in soundtrack trading and are willing to give out promos for scores that were never released. It would be great if soundtracks were also a means of making money for us, but they aren’t.
As for Hans Zimmer, John Williams, Alan Silvestri and the like, they really don’t need the nickel they would get from you buying their soundtracks. So in short (too late, I know) downloading the soundtracks are hurting no one except the companies, don’t try to say it’s the other way around.
The only paychecks you get are from the sessions and scoring, and any published sheet music (i.e. piano arrangement books or concert works). Royalties from soundtracks are very very rare (ask James Horner how much money he makes from soundtracks. It’s next to nothing) and when you do receive royalties it’s worth less than a meal at McDonald’s.
As a composer I support the piracy of my music and any other composer’s music. We want our music to be heard. Many other composers feel the same way. They’re often involved in soundtrack trading and are willing to give out promos for scores that were never released. It would be great if soundtracks were also a means of making money for us, but they aren’t.
As for Hans Zimmer, John Williams, Alan Silvestri and the like, they really don’t need the nickel they would get from you buying their soundtracks. So in short (too late, I know) downloading the soundtracks are hurting no one except the companies, don’t try to say it’s the other way around.
Sounds like the exemple of Joel Golsdmith who does not own the rights on his Call of Duty 3 music but Activision…
Industry (companies) against Culture (artists)…
The only paychecks you get are from the sessions and scoring, and any published sheet music (i.e. piano arrangement books or concert works). Royalties from soundtracks are very very rare (ask James Horner how much money he makes from soundtracks. It’s next to nothing) and when you do receive royalties it’s worth less than a meal at McDonald’s.
As a composer I support the piracy of my music and any other composer’s music. We want our music to be heard. Many other composers feel the same way. They’re often involved in soundtrack trading and are willing to give out promos for scores that were never released. It would be great if soundtracks were also a means of making money for us, but they aren’t.
As for Hans Zimmer, John Williams, Alan Silvestri and the like, they really don’t need the nickel they would get from you buying their soundtracks. So in short (too late, I know) downloading the soundtracks are hurting no one except the companies, don’t try to say it’s the other way around.
That’s bull but you have a right to your opinion.
Like many members, I discover this place by accident, I was looking for pictures of Rambo and then I found the link for an expanded score for Speed Racer (that flv file). It was great because I love scores and, again, like many members here I felt like a weird people for being fan of film scores before finding this place. And I wanted the rare unavailable stuff. I buy official CDs since I was very young, but now I live in my country, Bolivia, one of the farthest places in the galaxy and piracy is everywhere. You can buy movies for less than 1 dollar. But recompressed movies because they use 4gb disc only. And in some cases you can have three movies in one disc, like the Back to the Future movies in just one DVD, and you could imagine the quality. When the DVD format came out, I was one of the first geeks who purchased the expensive player and buy original Region 1 DVDs. Then they take out Spanish language and subtitles because of R4 DVDs, but there wasn???t studios or companies to distribute region 4 DVDs here, so what can I do. I???d buy another expensive DVD player for R4 movies but the only way to buy movies was using the help of importers who would charge you with 10+ US dollars from the original retail price. So I have to pay 40 -50 Us Dollar for a movie or 30 for a CD. And I???d do, because when I want something, I want it with the best quality. For example, I collected every original Star Wars CD available, even the not so different 8 disc release of 2007. But in this country you don???t get a 1000 US salary, a lot of people only receive a little more than 100 US, so who would buy an official movie or CD spending almost half of their incomes.
The piracy is common even for the richer people. Even if you want to go to a theater to see a movie, almost every movie last one week only because you can have it for 5 $ on DVD. The prices for movie tickets are 20-25 $ so you may spend 100$ if you go with your family and that doesn???t include additional expenses. So, 100+ $ vs 5$, you can imagine what???s the common choice. So, those importers who brought original DVD and CDs are almost extinct. I???m lucky enough to have a friend who can bring me some of that stuff (not everything) every once in a while. But for everybody I???m the stupid who still purchase original products. I remember very well when they laughed at me for buying the original soundtrack for Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Cristal Skull. And the same when I buy movies. I have to wait a month to receive my movie, while everybody has seen it 10 times for less than 1 dollar.
Now, soundtrack aren???t the most common thing to hear on the radio, so the only way for me to hear this stuff is to download it and then decide to buy it, but I really need to be convinced because of the big price that I???ll must pay. So when I found this place I was interested for the impossible things like promos, limited releases and out of prints. I downloaded some new scores, because perhaps I would never see the movie in theaters. You know, waiting one moth to get the soundtrack, I want to hear it before the movie is released because I want to be more excited about that.
But, like I say, I can???t buy every soundtrack because it???s impossible here. I???m against piracy, but most of all against people doing profit with piracy. Nobody seems to do anything here and I prefer to download things from sharing places than pay money to somebody who doesn???t deserve it. My wish is to have labels doing something against this kind of piracy, because perhaps I could buy the original stuff here at reasonable prices. But now its almost impossible to know what is out there. Limited releases are impossible for me, because of restrictions or that kind of things, so I just can buy mainstream things. And without the possibility to hear the work of less known composers like the one from Sector 9 (movie wasn???t released here yet) and with the high prices to spend, I???m almost obligated to chose the sure things like John Williams or Danny Elfman. So now I am very confused about this situation. It is like I am forced to buy piracy, and I hate that. The other choice is to move to another country but I don???t think that???s a solution, I love my country. Well, thank for all the wonderful stuff, and everybody who shared special material with everybody. Thank you, I hope everything calms down soon.
The only paychecks you get are from the sessions and scoring, and any published sheet music (i.e. piano arrangement books or concert works). Royalties from soundtracks are very very rare (ask James Horner how much money he makes from soundtracks. It’s next to nothing) and when you do receive royalties it’s worth less than a meal at McDonald’s.
As a composer I support the piracy of my music and any other composer’s music. We want our music to be heard. Many other composers feel the same way. They’re often involved in soundtrack trading and are willing to give out promos for scores that were never released. It would be great if soundtracks were also a means of making money for us, but they aren’t.
As for Hans Zimmer, John Williams, Alan Silvestri and the like, they really don’t need the nickel they would get from you buying their soundtracks. So in short (too late, I know) downloading the soundtracks are hurting no one except the companies, don’t try to say it’s the other way around.
That’s bull but you have a right to your opinion.
If that were bull, then why is Joel Douek posting all of the unreleased Yu-Gi-Oh! cues on his website? If that’s bull, why has LucasFilm not stopped us editing together and distributing (without charge) completed scores? In the case of the latter it’s because we’re not making money and it’s seen as a fan work (mainly for Star Wars, mind). No, composers make little, if any, money from the CD releases of their scores – they all get paid for scoring a film/game/TV show, what happens to the music after that is up to the studios.
About Varese albums:
Does that include OOP releases?
Like, for instance, "Frankie Starlight", "Shocker", "Lure Of Wilderness", "The Stoning Of Soraya M.", "Rookie Of The Year", "Last Man Standing" (rejected), "Enemy Mine" ….?
I’d like to know that too. but I fear they plan to squash us like bugs because we are troublemakers in their nice games of selling limited editions of their scores at 100$ the CD…
:cryingbatman:
I think i’ve never seen VS selling CD’s from their catalog at 100$ even for limited editions. At that price i only found at eBay or other online auction markets, which a label has nothing to do with it.
Amen to that!!
user "Scoresofscores" try to looks like a composer or producers or anything else, but actualy near to all he have said are total bullshit, don’t waste your time to reply to him, and who knows, it’s maybe Eddavi himself…
dude, you’re an idiot! James Horner’s salary for Titanic: $800,000 plus $1.2 per CD sold… It sold 30million copies, do the math dumbass!
1.If you like it you buy it.
2a.If the number of tracks is 1/2 or close to a whole cd I am bound to buy it.
2b.If the number of tracks is below the total songs on the cd I will not purchase it.
This isn’t a request thread.
So, eddavi wasn’t bluffing about taddling in that now we can no longer post RIAA soundtracks, which means practically 75% of what’s on here can no longer be on here.
Im also wondering why so many people are irritated that people go to this length to get game music. If im an artist, and I learn that my work has become popular enough to be found free online, id be proud of my work. Im like animal crossings Totakeke on this.. music is for everyone, and should always be just for everyone. This site is just like the Extension videos I find at youtube, it further promotes the game by showing off its musical score. sorry for the rant and my incredibly bad grammer and spelling issues..
Someone seems to have forgotten to tell this person that: Thread 76956 (he’s posted a Simply Red album)
But that’s just how I interpret the rule.
jessie is right, no one here gives a fuck or welcomes pop music. it’s not like anything that’s out is remotely better than anything by hisaishi or uematsu.
P.S Would you like me to make a thread about not posting V.S releases it seems like people keep posting them anyway
I know it, but here we have some better baddest, the "SGAE"…
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So… I know in EEUU you have the same problem with the legal music in DD.
I know it, but here we have some better baddest, the "SGAE"…
I’m no one of importance here, but if I may, I would make a small suggestion for you. When you plead your cause, such as you did here, it would help immensely if you add some links or some real information on what FSM is. I had to look it up because I’ve never heard of the label before (it’s not very easy to look up with google either when the majority of hits is for flying spaghetti monster or something). I’ve noticed a flurry of FSM people here today, and as far as I’ve seen only one person linked back to the FSM site. I’m just saying it would help if people knew exactly what you were talking about. 🙂
Perhaps you could link to the discography page or something? Film Score Monthly: CDs Text View (http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/cds/list.cfm)
Nearly all? Show one which isn’t??
Well, most of my uploads are music that has NO copyright, and mostly has not been released by any label!
However, one thing that these people just don’t seem to realize is that the FUTURE of CDs, DVDs, etc. is VERY limited! Take a look at "Blockbuster" and "Hollywood" video chains, GONE! If Varese, and FSM want to continue in the music business, they are going to HAVE to give us consumers a break, and put the music up for internet download, at 99 cents per title, along with all the covers, etc. They will not have to pay up front money for Disc production, or advertising, etc. they can just sit back and rake in the bucks, and give the artists 5% like they do now. As it is, they only pay about 5 cents per CD, and 8 cents per DVD, for the WHOLE package, and turn around, and sell it to the stores, with a suggested retail of 14.99 to 29.99!!!! Talk about your total SCAM!!!
Wish I had a product that I could charge 18,000% mark up like that!
I am sure that they will find a sizable profit margin! HEY! Whatever happened to "Tower Records"? G O N E ! ! ! !
Varese, and FSM, READ THE WRITING ON THE WALL!!!!!
William
Yes, well, you have to admit, that it is the WAVE of the future! I have over 60 Gigs of Ebooks in my computer. Some I have purchased thru Amazon, etc. and many I have D/L’d from the net. When you hold a book in your hands, or look at a "Kindle" in your hands, there is very little difference, except with the Kindle, you don’t have to turn the pages! Hehehehehehe
William
mobile viewers should be fine though.
Just saw that thread.
So, what’s up with this? Is the boogeyman really out to get us or is it some child throwing us for a loop?
The fact that the mods/admins/fsm are no longer talking and all the "chat" going on in the download section…..suggests…
↓ chocolate misu agrees 😀
-edit sparks beat me to it lol ^__^
The fact that the mods/admins/fsm are no longer talking and all the "chat" going on in the download section…..suggests…
↓ chocolate misu agrees 😀
Not just chat, Sparky..visual aides, for you…!!!
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I would not worry about the random posts for now, but I would not assume things are peachy either. I have heard a couple of disturbing rumors..
(William) (As it is, they only pay about 5 cents per CD, and 8 cents per DVD, for the WHOLE package, and turn around, and sell it to the stores, with a suggested retail of 14.99 to 29.99!!!! Talk about your total SCAM!!!
Wish I had a product that I could charge 18,000% mark up like that!)
You know as well as anybody does that the cost of making a CD is far greater than whatever few pence it costs to physically manufacture the disc. The fees paid by a record company to get the rights to release albums are exhorbitant; FSM will not make a profit on the RJ box until all copies have sold out – and even then it is hardly likely to be a massive sum of money.
If you want a make a massive pile of cash… the movie soundtrack business is NOT the place to be. They do it because they love it.
I’d love to see cheaper downloads too – I’d particularly like the ability to obtain a download copy of an album I have just purchased. The infrastructure to do this would be very simple to set up – particularly for a label like FSM who do all their business online anyway. I buy a CD, I get a link for a digital copy which I can listen to NOW. That’d be fantastic.
Sadly, it’s not a case that they charge a massive sum of money because they want to rip people off… it’s because, in a small niche market where you’re not expecting to sell hundreds of thousands of copies, selling your product at a high price is the only way you have any chance at all of getting back your investment.
If the RJ box cost $10 they’d probably have to sell fifty million copies to make back their money. Granted, it would probably be more popular than it is at $150, but it’s not going to sell that much. Economics is a sad fact of life.
Well, most of my uploads are music that has NO copyright, and mostly has not been released by any label!
All music has copyright unless the rights holder publically renounces the copyright and thus releases the music into the public domain. (Or if the recording is so old the copyright has expired; as does in the United Kingdom after fifty years.)
Re: Lawyers are us… Obvious bullshit is obvious. Anybody who has read the copyright act and can string together a sentence likes to pretend they’re lawyers nowadays – particularly on the internet!
Until one receives a legally bound and signed document in the post, these lawyers do not exist.
In the case of FSM… the forum board was created to house its faithful, allow them to bicker unto bitter cruelty unto one another. But they are expected to shell out for the FSM releases and kiss the hem of the garment. Sometimes they don’t buy a disc. "Eye of the Devil" which is a great score is an example. But when you start creating these epic box packages with ghastly prices you are setting yourself up for possible defeat. I’m not interested in Star Trek anything, so it isn’t my concern. I’m also not concerned about hypocrites at FSM who go into an uproar over music copied/bootlegged/ or transmitted via Quija Board. They all do it. So now the saga is OVER. They can continue to take pot shots at whomever they chose… but mostly it seems they eat their own young. Lukas sadly showed the colors he exhibited in the early 90s when a participant on r.m.m. Oh those glorious flame wars with Ford Thaxton were epic… very personal, very nasty.
The music plays on.
I agree about "Eye of the Devil" 🙂 and I also agree with some of your comments 🙂 Ive been on the receiving end of their pathetic pot shots a few times in the past , there are quite a few on that board that are hypocrites and believe me I know ;), better stop some of them read this board too.
Why I haven’t said much over there about this subject I dont want to hear it.
I just woke up from the most bizzare dream – about this whole situation. Film Score Monthly had commissioned a cartoon series (in a style something like The Simpsons, but CGI) and it was about us. Sarah was a pink bunny rabbit with crossed eyes sitting at a typewriter (a very cute one, it has to be said,) and I think she was the boss of an office full of people that consisted of the rest of us. She’d bark out orders to us to go ripping off small struggling record companies, and we’d all do it. Sanico was a reddish-brown ferret, or a squirrel or something of some description who I think was the second in command; she brought news that the FSM Police were coming to arrest us all. We all flailed around like idiots and Sarah said "Duuuhhhh" and kept on typing.
Shortly after that, some shiny black robot police officers (handsome and slick, of course – all the Shrine office workers were somewhat retarded) turned up and started arresting people.
It all got a bit hazy then; then I was sitting outside of the office, in the middle of the road (?!) with Lukas Kendall – we both had pints of beer and we were talking about the cartoon and he was threatening to glass me in the face because I worked for "The Shrine". Then my alarm clock went off and I woke up.
Very weird. Sorry for this; I just had to get this strangeness written down somewhere before "real life" causes the dream to fade away into nothingness. I don’t do drugs and I wasn’t drunk last night, just so you know…!
TT
Next they’ll be making threats against our lives because we dream of music!!
To the uninitiated oop means out-of-print. 😉
Or it means you’re just two steps away from going to HELL!!!
If Varese had a commercial release of a score, but someone posts an expanded/bootleg/complete version of it (whether it be from a source or isolated from the DVD), is that also not allowed? It’s kind of ambiguous, since a lot of the expanded scores integrate the commercially released tracks seamlessly, while others separate them from the new tracks, some to the point of not even including them. So is the ban limited to just the commercial release album, or just the score in general (if it even included any bits from the commercial album)? Thanks.
Which sucks, but there it is. Now if someone else gets the rights and puts out the album, it’s fair game. Like with the remastered terminator 2. The new album contains the exact same tracks as the varese, but since it is a different label…..
The absolute best way to decide would be to ask an admin about it before posting, I guess.
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It’s not really so much murky, as depressing and frustrating. But the studios and labels can do what they want with "their" music. As an example of that. I point out the promo score fot Transformers Prime posted here. Brian Tyler? did the music. He had tracks up on his website. Hasbro which owns the show–and the music–made him take it down. There is no label licensed to produce an album, and there may never be, but the man who did the music in the first place cannot legally post it. Blech.
oh, gotcha. thanx
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The ban covers any music associated with the release, I believe. If Varese licenses a score, they have the rights to it, whether or not they choose to release it. No dvd rip, or unreleased tracks can be posted, since varese still maintains the rights. They can license a score and not release any of it if they want since they hold the rights.
Which sucks, but there it is. Now if someone else gets the rights and puts out the album, it’s fair game. Like with the remastered terminator 2. The new album contains the exact same tracks as the varese, but since it is a different label…..
The absolute best way to decide would be to ask an admin about it before posting, I guess.
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It’s not really so much murky, as depressing and frustrating. But the studios and labels can do what they want with "their" music. As an example of that. I point out the promo score fot Transformers Prime posted here. Brian Tyler? did the music. He had tracks up on his website. Hasbro which owns the show–and the music–made him take it down. There is no label licensed to produce an album, and there may never be, but the man who did the music in the first place cannot legally post it. Blech.
so then spiderman 3, which has never seen an official score release, is still technically off-limits? oh and what about all the bond scores? they’re emi releases. is emi part of riaa?
Since Spider-Man 3 have never been officially released by any label and much less by any of the banned labels, then you are ok to share it on the shrine.
oh and what about all the bond scores? they’re emi releases. is emi part of riaa?
Well technically it is illegal to upload/download music that is copyrighted, and EMI is represented by RIAA yes like all of the big music labels, but since the shrine allows you to (illicitly) share music, that ban only takes effect if you share mainstream music by RIAA, outside of the soundtracks, classical music and j-pop genres. Hence why you will never see for example Madonna albums posted on the shrine, but you can see the Spider-man score soundtracks released by Sony or the James Bond albums released by EMI.
Well technically it is illegal to upload/download music that is copyrighted, and EMI is represented by RIAA yes like all of the big music labels, but since the shrine allows you to (illicitly) share music, that ban only takes effect if you share mainstream music by RIAA, outside of the soundtracks, classical music and j-pop genres. Hence why you will never see for example Madonna albums posted on the shrine, but you can see the Spider-man score soundtracks released by Sony or the James Bond albums released by EMI.
does anyone know what the labels’ views are on fan-made expanded soundtracks?
Once a rights owner distributes his product for free, that owner cannot prevent continued free sharing. Two Steps From Hell does offer free streaming music at their website. They do still have the right to ask you not to share that music. And you can put it back up again. This action has been upheld in higher courts worldwide more than once. Carefully note that legal defense costs are extremely expensive and have bankrupted more than one ‘winner’ (notably Veoh vs. Universal Music Veoh Prevails in Universal Music Copyright Lawsuit (http://www.dmwmedia.com/news/2009/01/06/veoh-prevails-in-universal-music-copyright-lawsuit/)). Better to just roll over and let the big dogs fight. They don’t want our free promotional efforts, fine… we’ll devote our efforts to someone that loves music first.
BTW- The Grateful Dead encouraged tapers to come to their live concerts. They only had 2 rules; don’t block anyone’s view and bring your own extension cords. Today you can find 8,134 free "The Grateful Dead" shows at http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=collection%3AGratefulDead They gave away the music and still made millions of dollars. My heroes!
I am not a lawyer. Laws are different everywhere, do not rely on rumour, consult your local attorney.
12 Feb 2010 @ TV-Links.co.uk Case Is Thrown Out Three Years After It Was Shut Down (http://www.worldtvpc.com/blog/tvlinkscouk-case-thrown-years-shut/)
TV-links.co.uk "the biggest and best links site on the internet" was shut down in October 2007 by FACT (Federation Against Copyright Theft) in the UK. Its server was also shut down by the Dutch authorities. In 2010, TV-Links.co.uk won the legal case, 3 years after being shut down.
12 Feb 2010 @ TV-Links Triumphs With Landmark E-Commerce Directive Ruling | TorrentFreak (http://torrentfreak.com/tv-links-triumphs-with-landmark-e-commerce-directive-ruling-100212/)
UK Crown Court Judge Ticehurst ruled in detail that European Commerce Directive 2000: Section 17 indeed applied and afforded TV-Links, as a mere conduit of information, a complete defense to the criminal proceedings brought by FACT (Federation Against Copyright Theft) . The Judge also ruled that the allegations under the Copyright Designs and Patents Act failed because there was no evidence that TV-Links made available to the public the films and shows they linked to. There is no appeal available to FACT against this ruling.
18 Feb 2010 @ TV-links (http://www.futureofcopyright.com/home/blog-post/2010/02/18/tv-links-admins-acquitted-of-all-charges-linking-deemed-mere-conduit.html)
Most interesting about this case is that the Court held that linking can be seen as a form of ???mere conduit???. The judge based his ruling on Section 17 of the 2002 Electronic Commerce Directive Regulations (the British implementation of the e-Commerce Directive (2000/31/EC), stating that if a site acts only as an indiscriminate conduit to content searched by users, it cannot be held liable.
Laws are different everywhere, laws change every day, consult your local attorney.
The Electronic Commerce (EC Directive) Regulations 2002
* 2002 No. 2013
* Regulation 17
Mere conduit
17.???(1) Where an information society service is provided which consists of the transmission in a communication network of information provided by a recipient of the service or the provision of access to a communication network, the service provider (if he otherwise would) shall not be liable for damages or for any other pecuniary remedy or for any criminal sanction as a result of that transmission where the service provider???
(a)did not initiate the transmission;
(b)did not select the receiver of the transmission; and
(c)did not select or modify the information contained in the transmission.
(2) The acts of transmission and of provision of access referred to in paragraph (1) include the automatic, intermediate and transient storage of the information transmitted where:
(a)this takes place for the sole purpose of carrying out the transmission in the communication network, and
(b)the information is not stored for any period longer than is reasonably necessary for the transmission.
~ The Electronic Commerce (EC Directive) Regulations 2002 (http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2002/2013/regulation/17/made)
"No man’s life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session."
~Judge Gideon J. Tucker in "Final Accounting in the Estate of A. B." (1866).
Often mistakenly attributed to Mark Twain,who was quite fond of the aphorism and used it freely.
Addendum:
29 May 2011 @ http://torrentfreak.com/fastpasstv-shuts-down-110529/
The links site fastpasstv owner has been arrested in Londonderry, Ireland. ???83,000 and computer equipment were seized following an investigation into Internet piracy by the Hollywood-funded Federation Against Copyright Theft (FACT). The owner was released on bail and, to date. no charges have been filed. The site immediately resurrected itself.
Statement from fastpasstv owner(s): Dear users, recently we have had our worst days in the site’s history where we seen our domain and servers taken by the authotirities. We have managed to recover the site from our back ups though it might be that some data is still missing, we are however pleased to announce that we managed to recover most of the movies and the tv shows links. We have relaunched the site back on Fast Pass TV – Watch Movies Online Free (http://www.fastpasstv.ms) and are back up and running in full glory! we will do everything in our power to remain online so that we can provide you with the best and fastest videos online!
Noted: A private organization established in 1983, F.A.C.T. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F.A.C.T.) has never won a trial case against a free links site. Not even when they participated with police in interrogations and evidence seizures (see: Scopelight (aka: surfthechannel.com) (http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090706/1713445461.shtml). How and why did they get such abusive powers? Lawful actions can still result in government harassment. Get out and vote. Don’t let big corporations abrogate your rights through government intimidation.
If you think it is not ‘murky’, you haven’t visited the U.S. Copyright Office website;
– Fair Use – The distinction between fair use and infringement may be unclear and not easily defined. There is no specific number of words, lines, or notes that may …
more: U.S. Copyright Office – Fair Use (http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html)
You are right, it is mostly depressing and frustrating. So sad. RE: Composer Brian Tyler. He can not sell his rights and still keep them… except under the Fair Use doctrine*. Legally he can still post it, and legally Hasbro can have him to take it down. BTW – he put it up again @ http://www.briantyler.com (http://www.briantyler.com/Site/Home.html) and http://www.podsnack.com/playlists/2b609da16b02ff46f680e0510a554863 (or at least part of it is up).
*see: Stanford Copyright & Fair Use – Fair Use (http://fairuse.stanford.edu/Copyright_and_Fair_Use_Overview/chapter9/)
Me personally? I download Game music only because usually you can’t find it on a actual CD. I do download "other" music just to see if it is good or not. If its good I buy that particular song on Itunes. There are previews on Itunes and stuff but sometimes the previews can be misleading. >.<
Dateline – UK 1964. Unions say records will put musicians out of work. Licensed radio only does live shows. Pop music doesn’t get a play.
And then came Radio Caroline, pirate radio is born.
When Pirates Ruled The Airwaves is a great historical telling of how pop music got to the UK masses. Bill Nighy tells the story of how a group of mavericks made radio what it is today and in the process changed the entire landscape of British radio. It’s a tale involving glamour, tragedy and political struggle – and all set to a soundtrack of the best music of the era.
Ripped from Smooth Radio, April 2009
Duration: 1 hour 30 mins
Reader: Bill Nighy
Quality: 192kbps
Size: 124 Mb
Format: mp3
http://hotfile.com/dl/97913955/604cb22/WPiratesRuledAirwaves.rar.html
Today, Radio Caroline can be heard on Sky Radio Channel 0199 and via Radio Caroline (http://www.radiocaroline.co.uk)
Once a rights owner distributes his product for free, that owner cannot prevent continued free sharing. Two Steps From Hell does offer free streaming music at their website. They do still have the right to ask you not to share that music. And you can put it back up again. This action has been upheld in higher courts worldwide more than once. Carefully note that legal defense costs are extremely expensive and have bankrupted more than one ‘winner’ (notably Veoh vs. Universal Music Veoh Prevails in Universal Music Copyright Lawsuit (http://www.dmwmedia.com/news/2009/01/06/veoh-prevails-in-universal-music-copyright-lawsuit/)). Better to just roll over and let the big dogs fight. They don’t want our free promotional efforts, fine… we’ll devote our efforts to someone that loves music first.
BTW- The Grateful Dead encouraged tapers to come to their live concerts. They only had 2 rules; don’t block anyone’s view and bring your own extension cords. Today you can find 8,134 free "The Grateful Dead" shows at Internet Archive Search: collection:GratefulDead (http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=collection%3AGratefulDead) They gave away the music and still made millions of dollars. My heroes!
I am not a lawyer. Laws are different everywhere, do not rely on rumour, consult your local attorney.
Yes indeed one set of laws varies from one country to another yet the main principle remains and that’s to protect the interests of the innocents and maintain fairness and equality. thanks for sharing what you know about it, I learned something from it.. 🙂
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Once a rights owner distributes his product for free, that owner cannot prevent continued free sharing. Two Steps From Hell does offer free streaming music at their website. They do still have the right to ask you not to share that music. And you can put it back up again. This action has been upheld in higher courts worldwide more than once. Carefully note that legal defense costs are extremely expensive and have bankrupted more than one ‘winner’ (notably Veoh vs. Universal Music Veoh Prevails in Universal Music Copyright Lawsuit (http://www.dmwmedia.com/news/2009/01/06/veoh-prevails-in-universal-music-copyright-lawsuit/)). Better to just roll over and let the big dogs fight. They don’t want our free promotional efforts, fine… we’ll devote our efforts to someone that loves music first.
BTW- The Grateful Dead encouraged tapers to come to their live concerts. They only had 2 rules; don’t block anyone’s view and bring your own extension cords. Today you can find 8,134 free "The Grateful Dead" shows at Internet Archive Search: collection:GratefulDead (http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=collection%3AGratefulDead) They gave away the music and still made millions of dollars. My heroes!
I am not a lawyer. Laws are different everywhere, do not rely on rumour, consult your local attorney.
Strange, at the moment I am not relaxed, because of personal things going on right now at home. Other than that, I should not get into this. Correct, correct, correct… etc. I love film music. People will not make music, as I hear it contained within a film available. Therefore, I seek out complete scores, wherever I find them. Please, forward your concern to those who have this music and refuse to make it available. I am but a lowly citizen, powerless to get what I want. Perhaps you can take the concern of people such as I, to those with the power of the complete score. Your help would be greatly appreciated…
:ohgod:
😀
Who authorized the release of this photo of me shamelessly begging for all sessions tapes to be released???
I listen more often the "Bourne Supremacy" mp3 bootleg than my copy from Varese (wich has compressed and cut off waveform, what is obvious even without checking).
I listen more often the "Bourne Supremacy" mp3 bootleg than my copy from Varese (wich has compressed and cut off waveform, what is obvious even without checking).
This is what I enjoy about all of you here. The above information on mastering, peak limits and compression is interesting and informs a mere lay person such as I, to the means of delivery I never considered. Hell, I’ve downloaded without understanding how I’ve been receiving the final product. I have pretty good ears, but I’ve not really noticed I’ve been downloading inferior sound. With all the talent here, people should get together and offer companies your service in releasing clean, listenable music.
My experience and take on this says a well managed mastering has great chances to blow away the common "blast it up" treatment recording companies are searching for.
… With all the talent here, people should get together and offer companies your service in releasing clean, listenable music.
Let’s don’t get too naive: most of these people (and notably the biggest companies) don’t care and seek the cheapest and the fastest. Where digital technology allows real improvement, it also unfortunaly allows looseness. They rarely offer their sound engineers the ideal conditions for making good job.
<table><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: left;">Live Music Archive (http://www.archive.org/details/etree)
<nobr>94,130 concerts</nobr></td><td style="text-align: right;">Browse (http://www.archive.org/browse.php?collection=etree&field=%2Fmetadata%2Fcreator)
<nobr>(by band)</nobr></td></tr></tbody></table>
(perfect for mastering stuff yourself if needed 😉 ).
Really amazing. Thanks ! 🙂
… copyright-free…
I’m not english hence why I ask: isn’t it rather "copyleft" ?
My experience and take on this says a well managed mastering has great chances to blow away the common "blast it up" treatment recording companies are searching for.
Let’s don’t get too naive: most of these people (and notably the biggest companies) don’t care and seek the cheapest and the fastest. Where digital technology allows real improvement, it also unfortunaly allows looseness. They rarely offer their sound engineers the ideal conditions for making good job.
Interesting Arial… saying that, let me say, this is how I’ve gone about obtaining a few scores. From the dvd (decrypter) and demux, I go to Adobe once I capture the AC3 file. Several times, I’ve been able to get the music tracks. Trying it now with Bond scores, but unfortunately the French 5.1 has effects. Using this method, after placing file in Adobe, I now have a direct from dvd file. This way I need not do anything else to file (sound) to have a better product…or do I?
… Trying it now with Bond scores, but unfortunately the French 5.1 has effects…
… Pas de bol !
Meanwhile I’m wondering if this applies to music?
Observance #1: the movie with the most free download links is the top dollar box office smash. The more free links the movie has, the more more likely the movie is making money. Lots of links = lots of sales; tickets, dvd, blu-ray, on-demand.
Observance #2: movies with no free links, are not selling very well, nobody is watching.
So, is the number of free links directly related to how many sales? Could free links be promoting sales?
Side note: Microsoft gave away free release copies of Windows 7 to anyone that wanted one. They did this for a year before they ever sold one. Anybody that thinks the best marketing strategy is; "No, no. You can only get it by paying for it here." will be left behind when it’s time to count the money.
http://posterous.com/getfile/files.posterous.com/craigrodney/jl1hJsTzIiG62BoUWmRielIZSRBVKxQm1UNoqC57O04GlJgzf1 FexRRF1JeD/copyleft.jpg
And how soon we forget. Was in the market last year to upgrade to win7. Discovered a link and discovered…I missed the freebee by a week…
Much as I like to poke the bear, I would hate to get fish slapped.
http://i771.photobucket.com/albums/xx353/burn_eggroll/d2c4974c.gif</td><td>and it’s a big bear…
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Off topic news;
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Grammy-winning singer Amy Winehouse, age 27, has died.
Goodbye Amy, we hardly knew you.
May you find the peace you sought here, in the next world.
Amy Winehouse – Google Search (http://www.google.com/search?q=Amy+Winehouse)</td></tr></tbody></table>
i agree with babydoll.
i bet they still have spies here.
it makes me super paranoid about who i talk to.
I’m against poking any feline…
A lot of IP addresses in the USA got subpoenas and will be facing piracy charges…
That’s just for the movie The Expendables.
…for now.
So spies among us?
I wouldn’t doubt.
How many spammy posts showed up recently with just one comment "thank you guys" from a new user with no posts made in the past couple months????
(USA only, so far)
http://www.zeropaid.com/news/93391/uscgs-expendables-case-to-target-23322-bittorrent-users/
http://torrentfreak.com/23322-expendables-downloaders-accused-in-bittorrents-biggest-lawsuit-110510/
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/05/bittorrent-lawsuit-checker/
Who’s to say they’ll stop at The Expendables?
BBC News – BT ordered to block pirate links (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14322957)
BT is the major service provider in the UK. Once movies are taken care of, music will follow…
and of all the movies to get busted for….
it wasn’t THAT good
BBC News – BT ordered to block pirate links (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14322957)
BT is the major service provider in the UK. Once movies are taken care of, music will follow…
Thanks for the report. It is a huge decision. But, the actual headline is: BT ordered to block links to Newzbin 2 website.
In his ruling, Mr Justice Arnold stated: "In my judgment it follows that BT has actual knowledge of other persons using its service to infringe copyright: it knows that the users and operators of Newzbin 2 infringe copyright on a large scale, and in particular infringe the copyrights of the studios in large numbers of their films and television programmes." Newsbin2 is the target of a criminal prosecution. The government claims to have a former Newsbin2 employee that will testify the site paid employees to upload infringing material. That is morally, ethically, and criminally different than doing it just for the love of the arts. Newsbin2 has moved it’s new site outside of the UK court’s jurisdiction.
BT has already raised a number of questions about the ruling, including who will pick up the bill for blocking to be implemented. The court will re-convene in October to decide how the blocking should be done.
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More News on Copyright Decisions
27 July 2011
Lucas loses Star Wars copyright case at Supreme Court
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14287864 : A prop designer who made the original Stormtrooper helmets for Star Wars has won his battle with director George Lucas over his right to sell replicas.
My view of what happened: The case began with a US court ruling that the costume sales were infringing and US sales were stopped. When it turned out that Andrew Ainsworth had no US assets, the case moved to the UK. The UK court has ruled the copyright protection for movie props (15 years) had expired and Ainsworth is entitled to sell his replicas.
Another fine example of "legal & illegal… at the same time."
Or is it just the "prohibited publisher"’s release (e.g. the Varese Club Die Hard score) that you’re prevented from linking to?
ouch ^^
Well, we’re the record label for most of the Commodore 64 music CDs on the site, and I’m the artist too for some of them) and publisher for much of the music.
We’ve got a record label @ C64Audio.com – the Commodore 64 Music Record Label (http://www.c64audio.com) that’s fairly priced and generous, the tracks is available on most MP3 shops, we’ve bent over backwards to make that accessible to all, and there are free C64 tracks to download at RKO: The Def Guide to C64 MP3 remakes. I bet you can’t do this on a SID. (http://remix.kwed.org), and a radio station @ :: SLAY Radio – News :: (http://www.slayradio.org) that are published with our blessing.
I’m not going to editorialise about this: I’m just going to request – again – that you remove links all albums which feature music which shouldn’t be here (labels: C64Audio.com, Press Play on Tape, Prevue Productions):
"Back in Time"
"Back in Time 2"
"Back in Time 3"
"Karma 64"
"Nexus 6581"
"Nexus 6581 II"
"It’s Binary Baby"
"Run/Stop Restore"
"Loading, Ready, Run"
"Remix 64"
"Remix 64 – Into Eternity"
"Remix 64 – Syntax Era"
"Rakbit"
"Immortal 2"
"Immortal 3"
"Immortal 4"
Chris Abbott
C64Audio.com
Never heard of a legal entity called tko45… lol.
The procedure is clear. If you are genuine, which I sincerely doubt, you must contact the admins.
This is just the action of a troll.
The latest link in the thread is STILL active by the way.
These are the scores disqualified because Varese has released the music in some form (not necessarily what is uploaded here)
All Alien scores and Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem (since Varese has released a DVD called Alien: A Biomechanical Symphony, which presents music from all four original Alien films and also Brian Tyler???s Aliens Vs. Predator: Requiem)
All Conan Scores (even the newly released Prometheus complete scores since Varese released both Conan the Barbarian and the Destroyer before that)
Any versions of The Matrix
The 25 track version of Escape from New York since Varese released a 13 track version of it earlier
The Silva Screen 14 track version of The Fog since Varese released an 8 track version of it earlier
All previous versions of Bernard Herrmann’s North by Northwest since Varese released their version of that as well
The Perseverance 16 track version of Red Sonja by Morricone since Varese released a 2 track version of it long ago
John Barry’s Somewhere in Time since Varese did a re-recording of that
And… following that reasoning, a lot of what is linked to here should be removed because it has a remote connection to Varese.
I sincerely hope that you people out there can understand irony 😉 what i’m getting at is that, sure, i can understand and accept that we are not allowed to post links to Varese releases. But, if i rip an isolated score, that score has nothing to do with Varese. It’s my rip, not a Varese release. And this goes for a lot of what is linked to in this forum as well. Sure, they have the music from the same film that Varese released music to, but it’s not a Varese release.
To keep it short, not much here is legal then, is it? 😉 and the conclusion: i will not remove any of my links because i do not link to Varese stuff.
Open for discussion…
Well in that case a lot of La La Land and Intrada stuff would be banned as well because he has production credits on a lot of those now. I think the individual labels would have to make their own requests though to get it banned.
These are the scores disqualified because Varese has released the music in some form (not necessarily what is uploaded here)
All Alien scores and Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem (since Varese has released a DVD called Alien: A Biomechanical Symphony, which presents music from all four original Alien films and also Brian Tyler’s Aliens Vs. Predator: Requiem)
All Conan Scores (even the newly released Prometheus complete scores since Varese released both Conan the Barbarian and the Destroyer before that)
Any versions of The Matrix
The 25 track version of Escape from New York since Varese released a 13 track version of it earlier
The Silva Screen 14 track version of The Fog since Varese released an 8 track version of it earlier
All previous versions of Bernard Herrmann’s North by Northwest since Varese released their version of that as well
The Perseverance 16 track version of Red Sonja by Morricone since Varese released a 2 track version of it long ago
John Barry’s Somewhere in Time since Varese did a re-recording of that
And… following that reasoning, a lot of what is linked to here should be removed because it has a remote connection to Varese.
I sincerely hope that you people out there can understand irony 😉 what i’m getting at is that, sure, i can understand and accept that we are not allowed to post links to Varese releases. But, if i rip an isolated score, that score has nothing to do with Varese. It’s my rip, not a Varese release. And this goes for a lot of what is linked to in this forum as well. Sure, they have the music from the same film that Varese released music to, but it’s not a Varese release.
To keep it short, not much here is legal then, is it? 😉 and the conclusion: i will not remove any of my links because i do not link to Varese stuff.
Open for discussion…
No discussion needed. Sanico ( a mod), has said very, very clearly that if Varese releases a score, and no label releases after that, then NO part of that score can be posted. No dvd rips, no promos, no iso scores, nothing. That is how the mods have put it, for the time being. Of course, you can put stuff up. But if someone reports it to the mods, it MAY get taken down. Depending on their take on it.
I guess bottom line is that you don’t get to discuss whether or not you wanna follow the rules. They is what they is.
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Well in that case a lot of La La Land and Intrada stuff would be banned as well because he has production credits on a lot of those now. I think the individual labels would have to make their own requests though to get it banned.
Agreed. Just curious about what may happen. If FSM as a company is gone, does the ban still hold?
Thank in Advance !!!
http://forums.ffshrine.org/f92/music-may-not-posted-legal-reasons-49829/#post969395
Here’s a list of all their releases:
Film Score Monthly: CDs Text View (http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/cds/list.cfm?sortby=c&sortdir=2)
Nevertheless thanks for the advise 🙂
Thank in Advance !!!
I am sure it’s already been posted before anyways.
Which one is it?
The official number is 5 but it can take up to 6 or 7 before the forum enables it.
(Thanks for sharing!)
Ethically, it’s a bit like dating your sister’s best friend – is it right or wrong? – what will your mother think? – and will anyone get hurt?
… Depending on the country it happens: South Africa, England, China, or Peru… not the same consequences… Hahaha !
what madness is this??
what madness is this?? You mean like they have a handicap? Because the rights holders asked nicely that they not be posted. If you are the rights holder you can do that. FFS does facilitate private sharing. Maybe somebody could send me some of that stuff, I never heard of it.
There are two schools of thought regarding free shares. 1). it steals sales, or 2). it promotes sales.
The most-read Portuguese fiction author in all of history, Paulo Coelho’s Official Website (http://paulocoelho.com/) has published his works free online in 17 languages. Sales are up. He is now one of the top 10 best-selling authors in the world. I’ve heard of him. I tell people about him.
The Grateful Dead encouraged concert goers to tape their shows. They had only two rules; 1). don’t block anyone’s view, and 2). bring your own extension cords. They became millionaires and have the world’s largest free musical catalog online, with over 2,000 concerts at Internet Archive: Digital Library of Free Books, Movies, Music & Wayback Machine (http://www.archive.org) I’ll still buy their music, and you should too.
Now you’ve got to get a huge knowledge of all the bands for finding your style. ???o???
You should ask him. But, he probably doesn’t know. Songs written while he worked at Disney, were probably owned by Disney. Copyrights for the over 100 movie soundtracks were probably held by the individual movie companies, or maybe the distributors.
O’rly? Probably so?
Noted: in the EU, live performances cannot be copyrighted.
O’rly? Well, they can prohibit filming. Happened last Rock in Rio Lisboa. Limp Bizkit and Metallica allowed a TV channel (SIC Radical, I think) to show them live, Linkin Park didn’t. I remember it for that. They can at least do that and if they can I doubt their own commercial recording would be up for grabs and free to share by anyone who bought it and ripped.
Also, Paulo Coelho is brazilian. Though he does write in Portuguese, if that’s what you meant. Some semblance of it, anyway, brazilian form mangles the language.
It’s ironic you should point him out as an example of free sharing, coupled with the irony of this book of his I randomly picked out of my shelf, in which half of the initial info – before the story proper – is about copyrights and the prohibition of any fathomable form of copying, either for public or private use. Not that I think it’s the odd case rather than the rule, but it happens to be the first book in which I see it stated in this detail.
you can become a mod just you will have to give a nice treat to all the members here on this forum here
Continues so?
Thank you,
Isaias Caetano
The rule stipulate that nothing from Varese is allowed on here. Okay, so does that mean that I can post up a thread and if anyone wants the link they can PM me, and that is alright? Or is the simple act of posting a thread with information on it and offering the link a violation of the rules as well?
I’ve seen a few threads where the links are not included and you have to contact the OP to get it, and I was wondering if that was the loophole that allows us to still share the music.
I’m asking because I have the soundtrack to Carnivale (former HBO series) and according to the Amazon page it’s put out by Varese Sarabande (label wise).
I was going to post it and just have people PM me for the link if interested, but I don’t want to cause problems.
Thanks a lot!
Thank you for your help. Soundtrack is now posted (link to thread in my sig).
Today, 02:54 AM
: slowclap :
I went with the PM system for safe measure.
Already rebusquei this thread as your statement, and found nothing.
Please help me.
Yen_ is serious and not miss the truth.
thank you very much
A personal message…ALL Resident Evil titles are on the no post list.
NineEyes9Nines
…or do you mean Biohazard?
What is a "totally franchise" ?.
…or do you mean Biohazard?
I don’t believe that’s an error, the ban applies to both Bioshock and BIOHAZARD/Resident Evil. In regards to the latter: the Staff received takedown requests and it was decided, to stay on the safe side, to put the franchise as a whole (movies/games related stuff, both official and unofficial) on the banned-material list.
Not that doing so actually changes anything, we know all too well how things go with the likes of Varese+Film Score Monthly’s stuff. If you want my take on the matter, I would delete also threads where folks state to send them private messages, but I can go by whatever the Staff is okay with.
So, I post myself. ANY UNAUTHORIZED DOWNLOAD LINKS TO RELEASES BY MOVIESCORE MEDIA and SCREAMWORKS RECORDS are NOT allowed to be posted here on this forum.
Thanks!
In fact: IT’S BARBARIC!!!
So, I post myself. ANY UNAUTHORIZED DOWNLOAD LINKS TO RELEASES BY MOVIESCORE MEDIA and SCREAMWORKS RECORDS are NOT allowed to be posted here on this forum.
Thanks!
Meh. You must contact admin and take it up with them. Until then I will hunt down every title ever released and post it. Just for the caps lock.
**said in an ironic, attempt at humor sort of way**
Seriously though, if you contact admin through the correct channels, in the correct way with a take down notice, they have always respected that. But unless admin tell us otherwise, your random postings will not sway the majority here.
Two Steps from Hell – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_Steps_from_Hell)
Google is you friend 😉
Google is you friend ;)Yeah, but you need to look a little deeper than Wikipedia. It’s the name of a band, yes. The phrase refers to how far it is between Heaven and Hell; 2 steps. See the viewer comments: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEq7hFgXo2w
Same here… not quite sure WHAT that was a reply to?
Thanks laohu!
Oh shit, this is new 0_0
The list keeps getting bigger.
:laugh: I wonder what would happen the day HZ gets blacklisted. :laugh:
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why my Cinderella thread is gone!
is this part of the operation now? can’t create a thread to say "PM me" ?
It must have been serious.
I guess that’s one less Harry Potter end credit for you to worry about adding to your thread, Sparktank. :p
And Rise of the Planet of the Apes.
But, that one was a messy end credits, anyhow. More suited for film watching than listening.
But seriously, the song your lead sings doesn’t get released? Who the hell decided on that?
I’m not so sure. Some people I think have had entire threads deleted by mods if it had Doyle stuff, not just had their links removed, which indicates no Doyle period. Then again, there’s a Cinderalla thread right here (Thread 187122) that’s PM-only, so we’ll see what happens with that thread.
It all probably has something to do with last week’s super-leaks.
It all probably has something to do with last week’s super-leaks.
But was any Doyle leaked last week?
Then again, there’s a Cinderalla thread right here (Thread 187122) that’s PM-only
That was created after the fact. OP didn’t realize the rule was in place.
Mods for this part of the forum are pre-occupied so we’re spoiled a little bit over here.
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But was any Doyle leaked last week?
Just the new Cinderella retail album.
But, the 2 HP that leaked probably drew attention and then whoever it was, looked up all HP to find Doyle and then set things in motion.
Should any solo albums by Bergensen and Phoenix also be included in the ban list?
i mean, it’s pretty much the like the complete version, that was pulled upon mr. ottman’s request.
if the rouge cut is considered equal, i wont bother posting it.
i mean, it’s pretty much the like the complete version, that was pulled upon mr. ottman’s request.
if the rouge cut is considered equal, i wont bother posting it.
I believe the primary reason Ottman wanted it pulled in the first place was so that he could boost sales for the Rogue Cut release.
hmm… maybe it’s better to leave this of the board. this may cause more trouble and that sort of stress is not worth it.
I was checking it out last night and compared to the expanded set, it’s actually shorter.
good point dak 🙂
I was checking it out last night and compared to the expanded set, it’s actually shorter.
someone mentioned this a few days ago. i think it was lockdown.
It doesn’t include the film version of "Time’s Up", which is kinda weird.
I have also had to delete a few threads, just in case people are wondering where they have gone to.
:/
Have their numbers gone down lately, so they decided to fight piracy thinking that’s the fault?
Whatever it is, this is terrible news.
:/
Uh-huh. :notgood:
Did someone report us to Varese? Did they JUST realize this? Cuz it’s been years like this
Have their numbers gone down lately, so they decided to fight piracy thinking that’s the fault?
Whatever it is, this is terrible news.
I would hate for this to be the case.
Oh Well Whats Done Is Done.
I guess. :notgood:
While I like to think nobody would monitor PMs, no more threads "advertising" Varese releases can be created, that means it would be best for you to not tell anyone to PM you, either, that is if you care about your account and what’s linked to it. I have a feeling sharing of Varese won’t be tolerated, period.
Jessie, should we take the same approach for the remaining banned material? I’ve closed a few threads over at the VGM forum, but I noticed you mass-deleted threads about Resident Evil releases, so, what do you want me to do? I don’t have a problems with deleting threads advertising/PM-sharing banned material (oh, we’d have to delete the Lossless VG thread, if that’s the case, let me do that XD), I always found it silly+risky to keep threads around.
For those wondering, this place has been already reported by a Shriner to the likes of Varese years ago, the "half-ban" of Varese was also a consequence of that action.
Mmmmm you sure about that? Do you know just how many scores are owned by Varese?
I’m quite aware of that, but I was speaking of NEW releases. The last interesting Varese release for me personally was Star Trek Into Darkness. Others may feel differently… different tastes, different preferences.
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And soon, with all of our focus on Intrada and La-La Land, we’ll squeeze the life out their profits, and THEN we’ll just be a discussion site!
That’s EXACTLY why we should be more patient with new releases. Give the labels time to sell their limited releases, wait several weeks or a few months, and THEN share them. That’s a win-win scenario for the labels and for people who wouldn’t buy the scores and, at the same time, have the patience to wait for them to appear here. (At least, that’s the theory… mostly, that won’t happen.)
That’s EXACTLY why we should be more patient with new releases. Give the labels time to sell their limited releases, wait several weeks or a few months, and THEN share them. That’s a win-win scenario for the labels and for people who wouldn’t buy the scores and, at the same time, have the patience to wait for them to appear here. (At least, that’s the theory… mostly, that won’t happen.)
I agree with this completely. I think Braveheart was posted twice (on the same day) within days of it being released. I think there should be *some* kind of ban on LLL and Intrada releases. Like maybe not being able to post them until it’s been a solid month after release or something.
Simply reiterating! Expounding if you will, including ideas put forth in posts that followed yours! I’m here for the discussion, man!
Aye, I Hear Ya Man! 😉
I agree with this completely. I think Braveheart was posted twice (on the same day) within days of it being released. I think there should be *some* kind of ban on LLL and Intrada releases. Like maybe not being able to post them until it’s been a solid month after release or something.
I would absolutely be fine with this.
+1 on holding off on LLL/I releases when they’re first released.
We’ll burn out bright at least.
-someone who said it
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It was from Blade Runner…
The light that burns twice as bright burns half as long – and you have burned so very, very brightly, Roy.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083658/quotes?item=qt0378263
Right.
If a site like this can turn up on a Google search, the time until our demise, shortens.
We’ll burn out bright at least.
Amen!
I’d buy a couple of CDs.
But in All Seriousness This Is A Start.. One Label Then Another, Then People Leave… Ect…
Pretty sure no music should be posted due to legal reasons. Lol.
But in All Seriousness This Is A Start.. One Label Then Another, Then People Leave… Ect…
Do I have to show my physical collection?
Yeah, you thought people were leaving too when shit happened a month ago. No one left, and we’re the same as always.
This may make less shares on the forum, but that’s all.
Pretty sure no music should be posted due to legal reasons. Lol.
But our lives move on. It wouldn’t be the end of the world. Other than Sarah who would probably go to jail or get no more money from the place. 😛 Us? We’d just have one more reason to be bored.
If we’ve only got one try
If we’ve only got one life
If time was never on our side
Then before I die
I want to burn out bright
However, this place being what it is, Blade Runner is far more appropriate…
+1
Varese, Intrada, La la land etc, are top companies and release great scores. They are top motivations for someone to participate in this forum.
There always are other solutions than banning them. I don’t remember seen elsewhere any company ban, at any movies or music prominent forum or tracker.
If a site like this can turn up on a Google search, the time until our demise, shortens.
+1.
Absolutely. If we want security, this has to stop. Like many forums and trackers that are invite only too.
Any site appearing in google is a target.
I am not in favor of closed sites, but we can’t have everything in life. If more security is needed, then we will accept the consequences.
Besides, all notable downloading sites I know are invite only. Some of them for hype, some other for security.
And none of them has ever banned a company.
Banning one company will lead to banning more companies, and this is going to be the end of filesharing.
I agree with this completely. I think Braveheart was posted twice (on the same day) within days of it being released. I think there should be *some* kind of ban on LLL and Intrada releases. Like maybe not being able to post them until it’s been a solid month after release or something.
postponing a share wont help sales that much, because the releases will just show up on other sites and spread from there.
True. And I can’t recall the last good Varese release off the top of my head (maybe The Final Girls), but I think this will put a dent in the forum.
what about the nightmare on elm street box set, predator 2, back to the future 3, chain reaction dlx?
to this day it made me wonder why la-la land, intrada, quartet and other labels haven’t come here and say "this has to stop". but maybe they know it wont fix the problem sharing.
i also doubt that many would be the releases if they aren’t shared. most folks here simply don’t bother with buying anything at all. the current full ban of varese release may not be a problem due to low sales.
i think the problem could be more of shares from cutting edge. at one time releases from there where dropped like candy and that wasn’t a good thing. but that’s just a guess. jessie may know about the varese ban and can put some light on it.
The rules are the rules, stop trying to analyze them.
Varese, Intrada, La la land etc, are top companies and release great scores. They are top motivations for someone to participate in this forum.
There always are other solutions than banning them. I don’t remember seen elsewhere any company ban, at any movies or music prominent forum or tracker.
+1.
Absolutely. If we want security, this has to stop. Like many forums and trackers that are invite only too.
Any site appearing in google is a target.
I am not in favor of closed sites, but we can’t have everything in life. If more security is needed, then we will accept the consequences.
Besides, all notable downloading sites I know are invite only. Some of them for hype, some other for security.
And none of them has ever banned a company.
Banning one company will lead to banning more companies, and this is going to be the end of filesharing.
It is my understanding that the Shrine will never go invite-only: a huge deal of this place’s success comes from the fact anyone could easily join and share, if he/she wishes so.
Companies/works from certain composers get banned because, basically, this place would otherwise seriously risk legal troubles. I don’t know about you, but I wouldn’t want the whole place risking to get shutdown just because nowhere else a label gets banned; in case you don’t know, the Shrine has been… Err… Infamously famous for years. It is known to be a cove of pirates. Of course other places don’t get as much of this crap, they aren’t that famous.
Until those labels are banned too of course. 😉
I’ll tell you how; not doing it. It is now forbidden, so you have to deal with it. Forum rules.
:facepalm:
Your life doesn’t end here, you can post your stuff anywhere else like the other mass uploader people do.
Joking with suicide, also, is not really nice..
I always so joke with dogs xd
If the leak shows up here, it most likely showed up elsewhere, first??? Damage done, already. At the time of this post the forum still allows X until the label shows up and request/demand we put a stop to it. It is my understanding the Shrine has never cared about small or big labels, in that sense, we treat every single one of them equally.
And while I may be sympathetic to a few points you have brought up, I ask you to remember that a large part of the active Staff is comprised of volunteers, we can’t really devote time to check whether a label is big or small, we act when they request us to do so.
1) i buy release "Vulcania" – my share be not prior to sales
2) I share very much, and people are willing to watch ads, that i bought new releases.
3) if not, people write me in pm, and i give them direct link on mega.
please, do not pretend, that i’m such a bad
The presence of crap on such sites is often the fault of those managing ads/external scripts; I can’t really help dealing with either, been a Firefox user for years and stuff like AdBlock+NoScript kept me rather safe.
You may want to consider running a scan of your computer, there’s also to consider the chance you have been previously infected.
2) People are willing to watch ads? and get malware or viruses? anytime I click on your mega button, my antivirus software blocks the second link because it has malware. You don’t buy anything, most of your stuff is from Spotify.
3) I’m not saying you’re a bad guy, I just thing that it’s inmoral to fuck those small labels that release scores with a lot of effort, and many times knowing they won’t recover the inversion, "sharing" those titles. You’re free to do whatever you want, but be advised the label is free to take legal actions against you and the forum.
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Leon, the links that Bart Oss puts are just for profit, not for keeping alive a link (and he recognises it). I use firefox, adblock and noscript and still the antivirus blocks the page for malware. I’ve run a scan of my computer all nights, keep it updated everyday and I haven’t been infectd in decades, since I’m very carefully. There’s not much to say, I end this conversation here. The owner of Saimel is really angry, I know how hard is for him to release a title, you can’t image how many taxes and licenses you have to pay, and that effort for nothing now. Support small labels, they don’ get rich for doing this, maybe they can get ruined. And I suppose he’ll contact administrators or whoever runs this forum to notify them or take legal actions, it’s up to him.
https://play.google.com/store/music/album/Arnau_Bataller_Vulcania?id=Bnv3ubsjmog2iuzqn77wa5a l3iy
I totally agree with you. Yes i posted today one new Saimel release but CDrip.
My point of view
Urgently needs to be ban posts with ADDS!!! No other comment is needed
You, me, every motherfucker who thinks he ‘s smart i tried to make money with shit & incomplete uploads!!!
Try to buy CD, support label and then do what you will!!!
Z
@zvonko1510:
People, calm down and don’t start another war! If you have a personal dispute, keep it on personal messages only, but don’t occupy this thread. I’ve subscribed to this thread to get relevant information as to what’s allowed and what’s forbidden. I don’t want to get each and every post of your personal combat in my personal email inbox. Thanks!
Well like you see or we get rid of post with ADDS or every day we will lose one Label.
In that way for a half year you don’t need to be subscribed to this thread because everything will be prohibited!!!
Z
if I understand you correctly, or are you talking about this topic… ohh xd
Seriously? So publisher are thrilled when you post here some GOOGLE PLAY material with ADDS before CD is pressed?
They appreciate your effort to make some money before them?
Area you nuclear physicist? BRAVOOOOO
In that way for a half year you don’t need to be subscribed to this thread because everything will be prohibited!!!
Z
Yes, that may be the case, but I’m interested in the latest facts, relevant for me today. Speculations about what’s happening in the future is irrelevant and has no effect. What’s new today is relevant, therefore I want to be kept posted about the latest developments on this thread.
I absolutely not meant this…
zvonko1510, Bart Oss: start a new thread on the discussion forum please ("The official mega links with google play ADDS discussion thread"), get an interpreter to get a better understanding for each other, and leave this place alone. Please? Pretty, pretty please?
But every link posted is stealing potential sales. Sales numbers are lower than you probably think, for instance LaLaLand’s recent Beltrami albums that were sales disasters. The Hitman score and Yuma re-issue combined didn’t even sell 1000 copies.
The boutique soundtrack labels aren’t huge corporations. In most cases it’s 2 or 3 guys who makes their living releasing soundtrack albums. It isn’t a license to print money. I think holding off on posting new releases for a month or more is a fine idea…maybe even waiting until they go out of print.
Why you don’t tell that to Leon Scott Kennedy this morning? May be you need balls?
Anyway, nothing new he did not say, just start discussion!!!
Anyway, nothing new he did not say, just start discussion!!!
gururu has a point, this thread could live with just the facts (one post, with updates when necessary), without any discussions. Besides, his remark was directed to the thread as a whole, and that includes you, me, AND Leon Scott Kennedy. No need to get personal, zvonko!
Firstly, nothing here is not personal.
Maybe you want only the current information like and other 90% user here who want only link I’m trying to watch a little bit into the future because I’m interested in what will happen to this nice place not only today!!! I ‘m supply my collection here at least. Although I am registered on 5 private forums & blogs i love to share in public. So like you see I am very interested in each debate of this kind. As you know already there exist people who can not wait any problem with publishers to promote his crazy idea:
NUKE WHOLE DOWNLOADS SECTION!!!
All the while I’m here I will fight in every possible way against it. My statement here today are just for this purpose.
Z
Music Box Records, you know what happens when a CEO contacts us about removing their content from our forum? You know what happens? Huh? You know what happens? You just made the list!!