I was going to post new links for the 14 disc box LLL set, but she’s got some BUG up her tailpipe, and will not allow any links to be shared by me!
Greg
Really, if you like this score – buy it. If you want to hear it in complete before ordering – don’t ask for high quality – we already lost FSM CDs, and I think that we don’t want to lose LLL CDs too… 😉
there is no release in the last 35 years that I’ve wanted more then this one. I live on the east coast, so can’t make the event, but I’d love to be there!!! Can’t wait to get this!
Now, I know you are all chomping at the bit (Like I am), but you’re going to have to wait a little bit longer. So as to not leave you in the lurch, as it were, I’ve linked a little taste of music to come:
https://hotfile.com/dl/179261176/eb4d253/justataste.rar.html
I plan to be at the event next month, with my wife and two daughters. My youngest is a big TOS fan, and the second set that I ordered is for her! 🙂
Enjoy, and let the discussions begin! Hehehehehe
William
Thanks for starting this thread! (You know, I had the same idea, and you clearly have stolen it from me, so I’ll sue you, William! 😉
William, I would love to hear from your impressions of the event next month, so please feel free to tell us about it! And make sure to get to see Jeff Bond (author of "The Music of Star Trek" and frequent line noter for countless movie and tv soundtracks from various labels, including the TOS set from Lalaland) who will interview Gerald Fried, the last of the eight TOS composers still alive! Hopefully, some video footage of the event will surface on youtube!
Thanks for the sweet taste of music to come! Much appreciated!
And what ESB said (no FLAC/320 for a while): that seems to be a good idea and should be agreed of, BUT: I have a feeling that a lossless version will be available sooner than later, if not here, then elsewhere! You can’t control the internet (for better or worse), as has been proven time and again! But pointing out that wish for a "gentleman’s agreement" is much appreciated! There are tons of tv and movie soundtracks still to see the light of day, and Lalaland is one of the most important players in the industry to provide those gems in future releases! Let’s not make them angry at us here on the shrine!
Now, I’m open to any discussion of this fantastic release (and I mean it in the true meaning of the word: discussion of the music, at least for now!), e.g.: what are you looking forward to the most in this release? My favourites are:
Fred Steiner:
– Who Mourns for Adonais? (quite excellent music, including ancient "Greek" music and spectacular action cues during the Apollo/Enterprise battle at the end!)
– Elaan of Troyius (love the romantic cues, later used again for Rayna in "Requiem for Methusaleh")
– Spock’s Brain (brillant music for a… ahem… not-so-brillant episode!)
Gerald Fried:
– Catspaw (very mysterious, frightening cues, spectacular "fist-figth" music etc., several time used again in later episodes!)
– Friday’s Child
Alexander Courage:
– Where No Man Has Gone Before (the Kirk/Mitchel fight music, at last!)
– The Man Trap
– The Enterprise Incident
George Duning:
– Return to Tomorrow
– Metamorphosis
Those are mostly scores never released before, either in original or re-recorded form; there are others I’m looking forward, too, since earlier releases oftentimes didn’t include all the music composed for the various episodes. Also looking forward to the un-used recorded stuff, never heard before anywhere! That sounds exciting!
Soundtrekker
Since it is obvious that many of the FSM people (and others) are constantly peeking in over here, it would be a very good idea to curb our sharing proclivities in a sort of "Moratorium" as such, and I am one who will be VERY interested to see and hear Mr. Bond (NO! don’t go there, no 007 jokes!) and I’m just to the point of having to go down to the last remaining bookstore in my area and order his book, since it seems that NO library in all of greater Los Angeles county wants to carry even one copy for people to check out! AND, there seems not to be any Ebook copies for purchase from Amazon for my Ereader either! 🙁
I really hope that they will have a couple of surprises at the event, perhaps along with Jeff Bond, they can have a couple of composers get up and talk, even good old Fred Steiner could (He’s still alive, right??? hehehehehe) and others! I’ve been waiting for my official invite, but since I only worked on the OTHER TV show, I guess they didn’t feel that my input would be welcome! Hehehehehe (such is life, huh?) 🙂
Well, I agree that this would be an excellent area for discussion, and I only hope that there are more TOS fans out there that would want to jump in and talk about this with Soundtrekker, Scotty and myself!
If not, it’s going to be really lonely, hehehehe 🙂
William
BTW, Fred Steiner passed away last year, so Gerald Fried is, indeed, the last surviving member of the (music) gang! (There was an obituary on trekmovie.com by – you may have guessed it – James, sorry, Jeff Bond (couldn’t resist!):
Obituary: Composer Fred Steiner Dead At 88 | TrekMovie.com (http://trekmovie.com/2011/06/27/obituary-composer-fred-steiner-dead-at-88/)
Or was your mentioning talking to Fred Steiner a joke? Some kind of talking to a ghost, Ghost-Whisperer style? Well, he always had a big ego anyway, so I wouldn’t exclude such an occuring completely! I’m just imagining him appearing, and in the background some eerie cues from his trek compositions, e.g. the cue when the Thasian from "Charlie X" appeared on the bridge, and then the Apollo battling cues, while he expresses his anger about releasing all his music without asking him! 😉
The Bond book about the music of Star Trek can still be found on ebay (just found 2 issues on ebay.com, 35,00 and 54,00$, respectively, and on amazon.com (new: 78,00 $, used: 32,00 $). I had the fortune to get it when it was released (for about 30,00 $, if I recall correctly). It’s quite interesting and recommendable!
But then again, I am OLD! 🙂
William
You said it a few hours ago…
Anyway, I THINK that is what he was referring to…… 🙁
William
William
He meant this part.
Now, I know you are all chomping at the bit (Like I am), but you’re going to have to wait a little bit longer. So as to not leave you in the lurch, as it were, I’ve linked a little taste of music to come:
https://hotfile.com/dl/179261176/eb4d253/justataste.rar.html
I plan to be at the event next month, with my wife and two daughters. My youngest is a big TOS fan, and the second set that I ordered is for her! 🙂
Enjoy, and let the discussions begin! Hehehehehe
William
I wish I was such a remarkable fan of TOS like you are Mr. William, but sadly everything started for me with TNG, I have never seen the TOS completely, just some random episodes, even with that I wish you and your lovely family have lots of fun attending to that event, I hope the upcoming box is what all of you want. And maybe, just maybe, they should make a complete release of the music of Star Trek: TNG, DS9 and VOY.
I really don’t think so, Faleel!
Or was your mentioning talking to Fred Steiner a joke? Some kind of talking to a ghost, Ghost-Whisperer style? Well, he always had a big ego anyway, so I wouldn’t exclude such an occuring completely! I’m just imagining him appearing, and in the background some eerie cues from his trek compositions, e.g. the cue when the Thasian from "Charlie X" appeared on the bridge, and then the Apollo battling cues, while he expresses his anger about releasing all his music without asking him! 😉
I think that he was remembering that I had said (MANY pages ago) that I had had a conversation with the "great one" many years ago, but that was a LONG time ago!
I wish I was such a remarkable fan of TOS like you are Mr. William, but sadly everything started for me with TNG, I have never seen the TOS completely, just some random episodes, even with that I wish you and your lovely family have lots of fun attending to that event, I hope the upcoming box is what all of you want. And maybe, just maybe, they should make a complete release of the music of Star Trek: TNG, DS9 and VOY.
I would second that, in a New York minute (Is that faster than a California minute?) I think you need to do what my youngest did, when she was about 10-11 years old, she sat down in front of the TV, and started with disc one of the TOS series, and just had a little TREK party, every day after school, with a couple of friends of hers, and they all got good and burned into the whole Star Trek universe from the beginning. THEN, she and her friends started watching the STTNG series, and had me give little insites into each episode that I worked on (All the ODD number productions, hehehehe). Of course, I was so close to the actual productions, that I was familiar with all the even number productions as well, constantly sticking my nose into what was going on.
Anyway, I think you just need to bite the bullet and dive into the classic series, and if you have any questions, bring them here, and we will do our best to enlighten you! 🙂
William
BTW, Fred Steiner passed away last year, so Gerald Fried is, indeed, the last surviving member of the (music) gang! (There was an obituary on trekmovie.com by – you may have guessed it – James, sorry, Jeff Bond (couldn’t resist!):
Obituary: Composer Fred Steiner Dead At 88 | TrekMovie.com (http://trekmovie.com/2011/06/27/obituary-composer-fred-steiner-dead-at-88/)
Or was your mentioning talking to Fred Steiner a joke? Some kind of talking to a ghost, Ghost-Whisperer style? Well, he always had a big ego anyway, so I wouldn’t exclude such an occuring completely! I’m just imagining him appearing, and in the background some eerie cues from his trek compositions, e.g. the cue when the Thasian from "Charlie X" appeared on the bridge, and then the Apollo battling cues, while he expresses his anger about releasing all his music without asking him! 😉
The Bond book about the music of Star Trek can still be found on ebay (just found 2 issues on ebay.com, 35,00 and 54,00$, respectively, and on amazon.com (new: 78,00 $, used: 32,00 $). I had the fortune to get it when it was released (for about 30,00 $, if I recall correctly). It’s quite interesting and recommendable!
I’m with you both on your statements…I know several sites that well post the whole set of CD’s as soon as they come out (as I’m sure we all do), but like soundtreakker said you can’t govern the Internet totally. I have not had this feeling about anything coming out like this since my first son was born! this is truly momentous occasion to finely hear music we have only dreamed of for the past 45 years!! The fanfare (which is the same one a few people have been talking about…I think anyway?) that uses the first few bars of the Star Trek Theme, the brass and cymbals just gets my heart really pumping and "You Know The Enterprise (even without looking) is HERE" it’s a wonder I am not totally deaf…I do love that short..what do you call it motif? or piece? what ever it’s called..I still have a cassette tape that I recorded when I was a kid off our TV…sounds like crap but man it just really moves me, so it well be a God send to really have a great quality recording of all the music. William I hope you can take some pictures at this event? for those of us that can’t go (sucks…but such is life) and hell yes I would love to hear your words of what happened!! There are a few of us out here that think you should be included on the panel and do love hearing your story’s of what goes on in the land of entertainment!!
Remember the exchange Kirk and Spock had in ST-V towards the end! Kirk:"I thought I was going to die" Spock: "Not possible Captain…You where never along"… Spock:"Captain… not in front of the Klingon’s" 🙂 one day William you well have to sit down and write your memory’s down, I’m sure your daughter would love to read it…I know I would.
Scott
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I’ll second that William…Greatkenji, some of us old farts have watched Star Trek from the very beginning Thursday Night and to Friday Nights at 10:00 PM and have the VHS tapes of TOS (Yes I still have mine), books, Technical Manuals, etc. …you name it one of us has them. William is the only one I know that has a true insight into TNG production, so he’s the one to go too on that matter. So ask away if you have questions!
Scott
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As soon as i find it in 320, I will post it. You cannot enforce anything. If I find FLAC, I’d post that too, just as a matter of point. I’m no gentleman or lady, I am a pirate on a pitate site.
I beg to differ Amanda!! I was raised that "All women are considered Lady’s until proven otherwise" Just my opinion.
Scott
Anyway, I think you just need to bite the bullet and dive into the classic series, and if you have any questions, bring them here, and we will do our best to enlighten you! 🙂
William
Hehehehe, that sounds like an interesting way to get into TOS, I’ll do that too! 😀 Actually TOS and DS9 are the ST series which I’m not fond to… I always loved TNG and VOY and watched all the episodes, and I did the same with Enterprise, but I didn’t like it that much… =OOO Sorry, Mr. William, but what did you mean with that of each episode you worked on :O? Thank you, I hope that when the time comes in the future of having children they get to love the stuff I like (anime, sci-fi, soccer xD). Cheers to that.
Still not sure if I’m going to buy TOS box because I like TNG and DS9 so much more but I do love to collect collectables.
What’s a "Pitate"? LOL
Still not sure if I’m going to buy TOS box because I like TNG and DS9 so much more but I do love to collect collectables.
I’m not gonna buy it cause it’s over 200 dollars. I rarely can afford a 10 dollar digi download. I understand the love and quality put into this set, I do. But I also feel that it totally screws the average consumer, as it will be totally out of reach. And since it is a limited edition, the chance to save up over months probably won’t be there. This set is made for elite collectors, not the average listener or fan. I am not bothered, I can think of half a dozen private surces off the top of my head. I will likely not up it, just due to the time involved. But, I certainly feel that if they did not want this pirated, they may have looked at a more affordable way to do this, perhaps in parts or volumes. ?
LOOOOL Thats classic!!! Thanks for posting that one.
Scott
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I’m not gonna buy it cause it’s over 200 dollars. I rarely can afford a 10 dollar digi download. I understand the love and quality put into this set, I do. But I also feel that it totally screws the average consumer, as it will be totally out of reach. And since it is a limited edition, the chance to save up over months probably won’t be there. This set is made for elite collectors, not the average listener or fan. I am not bothered, I can think of half a dozen private surces off the top of my head. I will likely not up it, just due to the time involved. But, I certainly feel that if they did not want this pirated, they may have looked at a more affordable way to do this, perhaps in parts or volumes. ?
I’m sure LA LA Land will do that after a few years…
Scott
Yes, I was very well aware that you had talked about it, and didn’t (and still don’t) question it. But in my post in this thread, I was referring to talking with Steiner next month at the Jeff Bond panel, and I was trying to find out if that was meant as a joke, which, as you have pointed out in the meantime, was not the case, meaning you still thought him being alive. It’s really a pity that this release of the complete TOS music didn’t come 2 years earlier, to include Fred Steiner in that panel. While Alexander Courage was the first one and created the main theme and some very fine scores in the beginning, the true soul of the TOS music was Fred Steiner, along with Gerald Fried and George Duning and the rest of the composers, who added some very different musical colors to the show.
Hello Amanda, nice to see you on this thread. Do what you have to do, we all love you for what you are: a true pirate! 🙂
Hey, let me know which composer or which episode of TOS trek you are looking forward to the most.
Soundtrekker
Have a parrot sit on your shoulder? 🙂 🙂
Have a wooden leg! Hehehehehehe
William
BREAKING NEWS – BREAKING NEWS – BREAKING NEWS
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Just in from Lalaland, as posted on the FSM board:
Posted: Nov 15, 2012 – 6:47 AM
By: La La Land Records (Member)
SEASON 1, DISC 1
The Cage
Music Composed and Conducted by Alexander Courage
Episode #1, Recorded 1/21/65
1. Main Title* M10 1:00
2. Dr. Bartender M11 1:23
3. Survivors M21 1:45
4. Prime Specimen/Bottled M22–30/M31 5:08
5. Probing/Monster Illusion/Monster Fight/The Kibitzers M41/M42/M43/M44 5:40
6. Long Look/Vina’s Punishment M45/M51 2:02
7. Pike’s Punishment M52 0:36
8. The Picnic M53 2:17
9. True Love M61 1:24
10. Vina’s Dance M62 1:56
11. Torchy Girl/Under the Spell/Primitive Thoughts M63/M71/M72 1:10
12. Wrong Think M73 0:43
13. To Catch a T. M74 1:24
14. Going Up M75 1:10
15. Max’s Factor M81 2:12
16. Who Was Eve? & End Credits* M82 1:32
Total Time: 32:01
*Contains “Theme From Star Trek (TV Series)” by Alexander Courage and Gene Roddenberry
Where No Man Has Gone Before
Music Composed and Conducted by Alexander Courage
Episode #2, Recorded 11/29/65
Aired #3, 9/22/66
17. Beyond the Pale (No Man Before)/Main Title M11/M12 1:06
18. Act 1 Card M13 0:37
19. Episode Titles M14 1:23
20. Force Field/Silver Orbs (Zooms Past) M15–20/M21 4:06
21. Crippled Ship M22 0:56
22. The Patient/Speedy Reader M23/M24 1:49
23. Some Corpse M31 2:21
24. Decision/Playtime/Megalomania/Stronger and Stronger/Hit the Button M32/M41/M42/M43/M44 3:03
25. On Delta Vega/Strangle by Wire M51/M52 1:14
26. When Your Eyes Have Turned to Silver M53 1:01
27. Instant Paradise M54 2:56
28. Power Mad/Situation Grave/Epilogue M61/M62/M63 6:09
29. End Title M64 0:23
30. End Credits M65 0:21
Total Time: 27:58
Total Disc Time: 60:06
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No, I have to analyze that! 🙂
That being said, I also have a surprise. As some of you know, I’ve been looking all over for a copy of the book "The music of Star Trek" by Jeff Bond. Soundtrekker had offered to scan it for me, by hand (YIKES) one page at a time, but fortunately, a contact on another forum, an EBOOK forum, came through this morning with a PDF copy of the book, so I decided that it would be great to share it here! I mean, why not, this is a TOS thread, right?
Here is the link:
https://hotfile.com/dl/179593955/0d366a8/The_Music_of_Star_Trek.pdf.html
and, you know, it’s just like money and manure, it’s only good when you spread it around! 🙂
William
I totally agree with you Amanda. For me, this set is priced way out of my range. I can’t afford the $220, forgetting the shipping and custom charges to the UK. I’d rather it have been a succession of volumes like the ST-NG volume or X-files Volume. I’d have bought those. Instead, I’m in the position where the only way I’ll get to enjoy this music is through piracy. I can’t help but feel bitter about this and assume that someone, somewhere wants a big hit of cash in one go, rather than drip feed releasing the scores. It’s very disappointing.
I’m fine with that, because I could import it without getting a horrendous customs bill and spread the overall cost. It doesn’t matter anyway, because they’re selling it as a massive box set.
Here is the link:…Orgasmic! Thank you William!
I’m a huge Bond fan…..both of them .;)
That being said, I also have a surprise. As some of you know, I’ve been looking all over for a copy of the book "The music of Star Trek" by Jeff Bond. Soundtrekker had offered to scan it for me, by hand (YIKES) one page at a time, but fortunately, a contact on another forum, an EBOOK forum, came through this morning with a PDF copy of the book, so I decided that it would be great to share it here! I mean, why not, this is a TOS thread, right?
Here is the link:
https://hotfile.com/dl/179593955/0d366a8/The_Music_of_Star_Trek.pdf.html
and, you know, it’s just like money and manure, it’s only good when you spread it around! 🙂
William
Thanks My Friend! and you always spread the manure!! 😉 errr the wealth, yeah that’s it 🙂
Scott
Its a surprise… 😉
Thank You my Friend!! will the Squire Of Gothos be playing some of these tunes? 🙂
Scott
No, those are the Reel numbers
like 1m1 2m1 etc. except the format they chose was M1, M14, M68 etc.
like 1m1 2m1 etc. except the format they chose was M1, M14, M68 etc.
Rats!! "missed it by that much" Thanks Faleel
Scott
LOOOOOOL good one Misteretc…
More like "Your lucky I can’t lift my leg"
Scott
I really don’t get the idea behind limited editions. We have few customers for a short period of time
if you can have many for ALL time?
Thank You my Friend!! will the Squire Of Gothos be playing some of these tunes? 🙂
Scott
Yes, I’m playing the music all day, you know! Right now, I have a strong, hot coffee, while relaxing and playing the wonderful tune of "The Picnic" from "The Cage"!
Disc 1 and 2, according to the track list, don’t seem to have any cues unheard so far, they are all from the two pilots as broadcast. "The Cage" even seems to be almost identical to the GNP release, with the exception of tracks 6 and 16, who seem to be expanded.
"Where No Man…", on the other hand, is extremely expanded compared to the GNP release, there are almost 12 minutes of unreleased music (see tracks 17, 22-25, and the absolute highlight of the score: track 28, which, finally, will include the fist fight between Kirk and Mitchell! Some of those tracks are expanded tracks from the GNP release, others are completely new).
As for un-USED music (meaning neither released before, nor used in the actual episodes’s final cuts), we will have to see what the other discs will bring; I’m guessing those tracks will be marked individually (e.g. with a "+").
What I like the most is the fact that Lalaland chose to edit several short cues into longer tracks, as long as it made sense, so the flow of the music is much more streamlined and less fractured!
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a agree to not sharing until the Boxes have been sold old. They sure deserve every bit of that money.
I really don’t get the idea behind limited editions. We have few customers for a short period of time
if you can have many for ALL time?
Yes, doesn’t make sense, if you see it that way, but maybe their thinking is: if you say "limited", there is much more pressure for potential buyers to buy it as soon as possible. They may even calculate that items will be bought only to re-sell it later, as soon as it is sold out, which, theoretically, will raise the price on the second market. In the end, all comes down to the demand, and it can get horribly wrong, as seen with the Ron Jones project!
And don’t forget the market analysis done before by Lalaland: they asked their potential customers, and according to that figure, they may have calculated that 6000 units will saturate the first market sufficiently. (Does anyone know what the final market analysis of the potential buyers was, anyway?) If the demand is higher in the end, say an additional 1000 customers right now, and potentially many more in the next years, than the remaining customers have only three options: waiting for the box on the second market (ebay), waiting for a second edition from Lalaland, or pirating it.
Now the question is: can Lalaland sell all 6000 units? Sure, may very well be. Would they be able to sell 6000 units if they had it released as "unlimited" edition? I don’t know. It’s always risky either way for Lalaland. At least I hope they can bring in all the costs of this huge production and make some profit out of it, to be able to go to the next project! They have earned it, really!
"There???s 17 hours of music. Out of the 15 CDs, 12 consist of original scores written for the show by seven different composers, and three have ???library cues??? which range from adaptations of music previously recorded for the show???sometimes done with different tempi, different arrangements and other changes, and some is totally original music, but written ???wild??????i.e., not scored to a specific scene. So while there IS some repeated music, it???s a small percentage of the entire set, and it is different enough in performance and sound to differentiate it from the rest of the music on the set. There are also sound effects which were created musically, songs, and ???source??? music???Trelane playing the harpsichord, for example. It???s a huge variety of music and to my knowledge no television series has ever had all of its recorded music archived like this."
So you’ll get Trelane on the harpsichord. 🙂
Oh, and Soundtrekker: Somewhere on my DVDs is an old video footage of the last "Bjo" convention, where they had THAT uniform from Trelane on display, with my old girlfriend at that time standing next to it, fawning over the costume (because she really LOVED Trelane’s performance, she was really weird that way) I will try and find the footage and see if I can throw it on Youtube for everyone to see, providing my wife didn’t throw it away, because it had HER in it, hehehehe 🙂
William
Space Hippies.mov – YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4l3R9oNQZ8&feature=player_detailpage)
Space Hippies.mov – YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4l3R9oNQZ8&feature=player_detailpage)
Yes! Look here, on the bottom to the left:
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Posted: Nov 17, 2012 – 11:34 AM
By: Lukas Kendall (Member)
The first GNP album, The Cage/Where No Man…, was produced using Sandy Courage’s personal tapes, as the original session masters to the series were not available at the time (they were subsequently acquired by GNP/Crescendo, and have been used for the new box set). Sandy’s tapes were not in the best shape, and a few cues had to be left off. Our sound quality for the pilot scores is much better, and they are now complete, solely due to the source elements available.
I want to be clear: the past Trek albums were done using the best available sources and technology at the time. They were produced in a much different business environment that required a lot more risk and capital investment compared to today’s boutique market. At the time, Neil Norman, who with his wife Melanie Clarkson is an executive producer on the box set, was (correct me if I’m wrong) the only album producer willing to pay the large AFM new-use fees to release episodic scores from cult TV shows of decades past—that took guts and a great passion for science fiction and for Star Trek, which Neil has.
GNP/Crescendo did great work on those albums—I have them all, as do many of us—and they acquired and took care of the Trek master tapes which were and are in pristine condition, especially given their age and the number of times they have changed hands.
For the box set, Crescendo has not only allowed the use of their tapes, but waived their exclusive rights to the scores previously released on their label, so that those episodes could be remastered, expanded and included along with the previously unreleased ones.
So, they’re our partners, and I’d like to head off any comparison of the old vs. new albums because it’s really apples and oranges.
Lukas
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So does that mean, GNP had all of the original tapes in their hands, or does Lukas refer only to those masters that were the source for the 3 GNP albums (plus the cues on the "Best of" albums)? Not sure how to read that…
Scott
The only reels of Trek music that Neil had from me were the TOS sound effects, remastered at 15 IPS, and the ORIGINAL pilot reels from Sandy Courage, that Lukas is speaking of above. Those tapes were mine, and given to Neil to produce the first discs to get the stuff "out there" as Neil had played upon my love of the show, and the music. I do agree with Lukas that it took alot of guts to produce the discs and run the risk of failure and bankruptcy, but Neil was greatly successful, thanks to all the fans that clamored to buy all of his records, cassettes and discs, and he has a very large house in Malibu, totally paid for in one lump sum to show for his efforts!
That’s all I know!
William
Scott
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"I hope he didn’t kill anyone I know for it"
If he did kill anyone you know…I do believe you’d know it! 🙂
Scott
The only reels of Trek music that Neil had from me were the TOS sound effects, remastered at 15 IPS, and the ORIGINAL pilot reels from Sandy Courage, that Lukas is speaking of above. Those tapes were mine, and given to Neil to produce the first discs to get the stuff "out there" as Neil had played upon my love of the show, and the music. I do agree with Lukas that it took alot of guts to produce the discs and run the risk of failure and bankruptcy, but Neil was greatly successful, thanks to all the fans that clamored to buy all of his records, cassettes and discs, and he has a very large house in Malibu, totally paid for in one lump sum to show for his efforts!
That’s all I know!
William
William,
I always enjoying reading your Trek history here. Thanks for sharing. The original liner notes for GNP’s first and second Trek pilot CDs stated:
"The master tapes for this album are from the best sources available. They have endured fire and flood at Paramount and though they do betray their age, they are still in mint condition. For many years their whereabouts were cloaked in an aura of mystery. In my adventures as a Science Fiction archaeologist, my colleagues and I were finally able to unearth them! No expense has been spared to bring them to you in "state of the art" digital form."
Why the apparent malarkey on the liner notes about the master tapes enduring fire and flood at Paramount?
HR Pufnstuf
The music tapes were in my possession since before STTMP was even in production, and the Sound effects tapes were in storage over at Horta Editorial since the early 70’s, from the cartoon Trek production. So, it is just a bunch of "Donkey Fazoo", to coin a phrase, hehehehehe
The way that Neil put that down there, and the way that Lukas had spoken of "Sandy Courages" tapes, sounds like Neil got them directly from Mr. Courage, which is just not factual! Mr. Courage may have had copies of the original, but this one was the original MUSIC master from the studio, and was going to be erased, so the techs could record something else on it. If I hadn’t grabbed it when I did, and bribed the HELL out of one of the techs, then this music may never have gotten out, and the whole ball would have never gotten rolling in the first place. Neil was VERY unsure about how the SFX would sell, and kept dragging his feet on them, until the results of sales on the first record came in, only then would he commit (RIGHT!!! Hehehehe) to the project with me.
Oh, and speaking of Liner notes, I think I said this here before, but to repeat myself, Neil asked me to write down some notes for the SFX album, and I wrote down the history of the sound effects, the involvement of Douglas Adams, and the work of Ralph Miller, which Neil was not even going to put his name on the CD at all, until I insisted! Neil totally ignored what I had written, and wrote his own liner notes, which had nothing about Douglas Grindstaff at all, if I recall correctly, and nothing about Ralph Miller’s editing job, and cleaning up of the original tracks, which I do remember correctly about that part, hehehe
Just really sticks in my kraw (Not KRAW…..KRAW.. Hehehehehe)
William,
Scott
A special thread at FSM (Filmscoremonthly.com), dedicated to the TOS set, where the track listings are published during the last week, about 1 disc per day (The tracks of the first 5 discs are published so far):
FSM Board: PR: La-La Land announces 15CD Star Trek Collection (http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?forumID=1&pageID=58&threadID=90900&archive=0)
Over at trekcore.com, you’ll find exclusive audio samples (in 320!) from the TOS set:
TrekCore.com :: Star Trek The Original Series Complete Box Set Soundtrack – Artwork and Exclusive Samples (http://www.trekcore.com/merchandise/sttos_soundtrackintro.html)
The samples are fantastic, love the jazzy "Maze fight" from Catspaw (by Gerald Fried), the beautiful love theme from Metamorphosis ("It’s Her – Loveliness", by George Duning), and the brillant "Battle Music" from Elaan of Troyius (by Fred Steiner) – gave me goosebumps!
And, finally, the Film Music Magazine has released an exclucive 55 min. audio interview (called On the Score with ???Star Trek: The Original Series Soundtrack Collection???) with the producers of the TOS set on its homepage:
Audio: On the Score with (http://www.filmmusicmag.com/?p=10295)
Haven’t heard it yet, but it might be quite interesting – the official LLL promo video (while I loved the presentation and style) was way too short to really get into things!
The reason that I wanted to share this with you, is that this program listed all the copyrighted material that I had downloaded in the last couple of days. ONLY those files, some of which I got here. I found out that this scam program is on Google under the search words "FBI Moneypak", and not only do they charge everyone a $200.00 fine, but other people are online, willing to "help" you to get rid of this virus, for the nominal fee of 69.99!!!! All you have to do is download any Malware protection program, or, if you don’t have a copy of the MSE in your system, GET IT!!! It’s alot better than AVAST, and it’s from Microsoft, so you know, if you are running Windows (any version) it will protect your system! 🙂
Just hope that nobody here was dumb enough to pay these bastards, located in the middle east somewhere, any money!
Forewarned, and all that stuff.
William
Dear "WilliamTaylor" not born anywhere close to 1969 even (we both know this, right?)
i have to inform you that this is indeed no scam and that we had to prosecute you in your
absence since we couldn’t detect any webcam on your computer (pretty lame machine
by the way, at least get yourself a new cpu, will you?!) Anyways, we expect you pay the
fine within the hour or Executive Un-Producers will be send to you soon – and believe us
this will NOT be in your absence. Have a nice day, be smart, we don’t want it to be your last one.
Yours sincecerly
Olaf
FBI
Bureau of MQP*
* one of those pesky abbreviations which meanings we don’t reveal to anyone so we appear more important
😀
William
I’m with Amanda, with her POV on this thread. A discussion about the subject is fine but we don’t want to draw undue attention on any potential downloads. I put my tuppence worth in earlier and shouldn’t have done. I am peed off about the whole thing though. I would like to be able to buy individual Star Trek Cds 🙁 This set is still a labour of love and we don’t want to upset them before it’s even released.
The reason that I wanted to share this with you, is that this program listed all the copyrighted material that I had downloaded in the last couple of days. ONLY those files, some of which I got here. I found out that this scam program is on Google under the search words "FBI Moneypak", and not only do they charge everyone a $200.00 fine, but other people are online, willing to "help" you to get rid of this virus, for the nominal fee of 69.99!!!! All you have to do is download any Malware protection program, or, if you don’t have a copy of the MSE in your system, GET IT!!! It’s alot better than AVAST, and it’s from Microsoft, so you know, if you are running Windows (any version) it will protect your system! 🙂
Just hope that nobody here was dumb enough to pay these bastards, located in the middle east somewhere, any money!
Forewarned, and all that stuff.
William
One of my cousins fell for this scam, before he called me for advise! by then it was to late, he gave them the money (he used his credit card) and access to his computer. This scam they said they where from "Windows" they did not ID themselves as "Microsoft" so for me that was a dead give-away! and second, Microsoft never calls windows users…if you need help, you have to call them!! but they had access to his computer for over 20 minutes, then they got greedy!! they wanted more money to fix his computer problem (which there was NO problem to began with) he (my cousin) had a image pop up on his screen, with a Windows logo saying "Your Computer has A Virus" something like that…anyway to make a long story short, they got his credit card info, bank account info! and to top it off they formated his hard drive!! so I spent the whole next day re-installing his OS, programs and games, my cousin had to cancel his credit cards, put a stop to his bank account and lost whatever files he had on his hard drive.
Personally I use Bullguard Internet Security 2013 and have not had any pop-ups, malware, or spyware, every now and then I get a tracking cookie and Bullguard deletes it. William, the FBI never alerts an individual about illegal downloading, you’ll know when they just show up at your front door with a warrant and handcuffs. The FBI wants the BIG FISH, the ones hosting all those multi million dollar software sites, not us little minnows.
Scott
The reason that I wanted to share this with you, is that this program listed all the copyrighted material that I had downloaded in the last couple of days. ONLY those files, some of which I got here. I found out that this scam program is on Google under the search words "FBI Moneypak", and not only do they charge everyone a $200.00 fine, but other people are online, willing to "help" you to get rid of this virus, for the nominal fee of 69.99!!!! All you have to do is download any Malware protection program, or, if you don’t have a copy of the MSE in your system, GET IT!!! It’s alot better than AVAST, and it’s from Microsoft, so you know, if you are running Windows (any version) it will protect your system! 🙂
Just hope that nobody here was dumb enough to pay these bastards, located in the middle east somewhere, any money!
Forewarned, and all that stuff.
William
Yep, I had a similar think here in old blighty but mine was the metropolitan police. So it’s not just a US operation 🙁
A special thread at FSM (Filmscoremonthly.com), dedicated to the TOS set, where the track listings are published during the last week, about 1 disc per day (The tracks of the first 5 discs are published so far):
FSM Board: PR: La-La Land announces 15CD Star Trek Collection (http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?forumID=1&pageID=58&threadID=90900&archive=0)
Over at trekcore.com, you’ll find exclusive audio samples (in 320!) from the TOS set:
TrekCore.com :: Star Trek The Original Series Complete Box Set Soundtrack – Artwork and Exclusive Samples (http://www.trekcore.com/merchandise/sttos_soundtrackintro.html)
The samples are fantastic, love the jazzy "Maze fight" from Catspaw (by Gerald Fried), the beautiful love theme from Metamorphosis ("It’s Her – Loveliness", by George Duning), and the brillant "Battle Music" from Elaan of Troyius (by Fred Steiner) – gave me goosebumps!
And, finally, the Film Music Magazine has released an exclucive 55 min. audio interview (called On the Score with “Star Trek: The Original Series Soundtrack Collection”) with the producers of the TOS set on its homepage:
Audio: On the Score with (http://www.filmmusicmag.com/?p=10295)
Haven’t heard it yet, but it might be quite interesting – the official LLL promo video (while I loved the presentation and style) was way too short to really get into things!
My Friend Soundtrekker you always come up with the best sites! and Info! I don’t know how to thank you!!!!
Scott
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Dear "WilliamTaylor" not born anywhere close to 1969 even (we both know this, right?)
i have to inform you that this is indeed no scam and that we had to prosecute you in your
absence since we couldn’t detect any webcam on your computer (pretty lame machine
by the way, at least get yourself a new cpu, will you?!) Anyways, we expect you pay the
fine within the hour or Executive Un-Producers will be send to you soon – and believe us
this will NOT be in your absence. Have a nice day, be smart, we don’t want it to be your last one.
Yours sincecerly
Olaf
FBI
Bureau of MQP*
* one of those pesky abbreviations which meanings we don’t reveal to anyone so we appear more important
😀
Okay I have just found out this is olaf sense of humor!! not funny as far as I’m concerned….Scott
Groucho Marx and Don Rickles were masters of that craft.
And, as everyone knows, I already explained the whole "1969" thing in another thread, and also why I use the name of "William Taylor"! 🙂
As I say, it’s all good!
And, Scotty, I’m asking for the "CONES of silence" for my WIFE! Hehehehehehehe She’s gets very vocal during….. Er, never mind!
Willliam
It’s not my only kind of humour and i only do it to folks who i have a sense of appreciation for and who understand it, well, and i just knew you are that kinda guy, William, one only needs to read your posts 🙂
Another way I found to get rid of it, is if you have another computer in your network that is Windows XP Pro or is running the Remote Registry Service:
a. start regedit
b. Connect Network Registry and specify the computer name on your network.
c. Once you get in, then go to this registry key under that computer:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Run
Look for the offending entry that starts that nonsense and delete it.
d. Also look at the same key under HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Curre ntVersion\Run
Groucho Marx and Don Rickles were masters of that craft.
And, as everyone knows, I already explained the whole "1969" thing in another thread, and also why I use the name of "William Taylor"! 🙂
As I say, it’s all good!
And, Scotty, I’m asking for the "CONES of silence" for my WIFE! Hehehehehehehe She’s gets very vocal during….. Er, never mind!
Willliam
"Lowering The Cone Of Silence"….but as we all know it never works, and we can hear everything! so tell her to let it RIP!! 😉
Groucho and Rickles are most assuredly Masters of that craft!! My apologizes Olaf for jumping to the wrong conclusion, I shell endeavor to not go off on all thrusters next time…please except my apology. I understand all to well William 🙂
Scott
Good thing I corrected that, if I got you mad at me, we’d be sitting dead in space, with NO engines at all, until I said that I’m sorry!
And, on another note, I’m reworking all the disc labels for the upcoming LALA land release, since the only HQ photo has some of the discs lain over one another, so I’m finding the EXACT photo that they used, which is really hard is some cases (Like the GORN of all people? They show him up against a gray background, and I cannot find any photos even close to that!) So I will gather them together when done and zip them up for you all! 🙂
William
Good thing I corrected that, if I got you mad at me, we’d be sitting dead in space, with NO engines at all, until I said that I’m sorry!
And, on another note, I’m reworking all the disc labels for the upcoming LALA land release, since the only HQ photo has some of the discs lain over one another, so I’m finding the EXACT photo that they used, which is really hard is some cases (Like the GORN of all people? They show him up against a gray background, and I cannot find any photos even close to that!) So I will gather them together when done and zip them up for you all! 🙂
William
Normally I do to! the medication I take causes me to become drowsy and I didn’t double check what I wrote, I’ll try and be more careful.
Snotty!! LOOOL sounds like my nose should run all the time…yuk what a mess that would cause, not to mention going into all the circuitry 😉
No Sir! you would always have me engines at your disposal…. As always, Warp Drive at your command!
cool can’t wait for those!! you always do good work William.
Scott
Another way I found to get rid of it, is if you have another computer in your network that is Windows XP Pro or is running the Remote Registry Service:
a. start regedit
b. Connect Network Registry and specify the computer name on your network.
c. Once you get in, then go to this registry key under that computer:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Run
Look for the offending entry that starts that nonsense and delete it.
d. Also look at the same key under HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Curre ntVersion\Run
WHOOOOOAAAHHH, cowboy. NEVER delete random things from your computer’s registry unless you know for sure it doesn’t belong there. Plenty of legitimate Windows files, as well as files from legitimate programs you may have installed, look like nonsense or fake crap. ALWAYS search the name and make sure it’s legitimate.
Deleting just the right things from the registry, for example, can give the Kiss of Death to a computer.
It’s a good thing that I have like 20 various IDs all over the internet, with 20 (or more) storage sites, hehehehehe
I guess that makes me a PIRATE!!! (arrrrgggg, matey!) 🙂
William
It’s a good thing that I have like 20 various IDs all over the internet, with 20 (or more) storage sites, hehehehehe
I guess that makes me a PIRATE!!! (arrrrgggg, matey!) 🙂
William[/QUOTE
According to DMCA 512(c) 1: "notice from the copyright owner, known as notice and take down, and 2) the existence of ???red flags.??? all someone has to do is notify the copyright holder and the copyright holder sends the "Take Down Notice" to the storage service and your account is suspended, then the legal fun starts.
Someone is downloading your files and then notifying the copyright holder(s) I don’t know if you will ever find out who it is! but one things for sure…if he or she can do this to you, none of our files are safe.
William your in good company! if your a Pirate!! then we all are…arrrr you scurvy dogs!!! put your backs into it before the Captain has you keelhauled. 🙂
Scott
Star Trek: Evolution of the Enterprise – YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAakbHMvgzI&feature=em-subs_digest-vrecs)
Scott
William
William
Isn’t it just pretty much a redesigned Akira class ship?
William
Wait since when? I’ve never heard that before?
William
Akira class – Memory Alpha, the Star Trek Wiki (http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Akira_class)
Yes, the Akira was the fan design that was "borrowed" by the studio, almost exact copy of the Akira.
William
I think you’ve hit the nail on the head.
True! but $60.00 plus for only three seasons is asking a lot, especially the whole first season Judas Priest!! talk about destroying the whole canon that I grow up reading about…the only good thing was GR was not a live to see it. Oh I agree with you on the episodes you listed and the final did stink to high heaven…More likely Paramount did not give the producers enough time to end it right and even if they did, those knuckle heads ran out of story’s or idea’s! I do remember the producers started asking the public to submit story’s to them and that was STTNG was running, so what makes the rest of think they can do a new Star Trek show when they can’t even come up with new story’s for TNG!! it shows…anyway thank for letting me rant. 🙂
Scott
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Yes, the Akira was the fan design that was "borrowed" by the studio, almost exact copy of the Akira.
William
I can believe that….
Scott
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If it was created for first contact…by an employee working on the film…then how was it a fan non-canon design?
Do you really believe Paramount is going to credit a fan…your talking about big bucks they would have to pay out!!
Scott
Follow this link: Alex Jaeger Week ??? The Akira Class ??? (http://drexfiles.wordpress.com/2009/06/12/alex-jaeger-week-the-akira-class/)
The designer of the Akira talks about the process, with finished CGI rendering and initial design sketches.
Speaking of which here are some of the 1701 cut-away, and the finished renders of the NX:
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On that note: Doug Drexler’s blog is completely awesome. You could spend days just plowing through his amazing posts. But he’s been MIA for months now. From what I understand he’s working on his own project as well as the ST:TNG Bluray team now, but I sure wish he would return to his blog. I’m totally in withdrawal.
The double episode Terra Prime would have made a nice ending, if episodes before that would kind of had prepared for that … 🙂
The designing of the NX Enterprise is also talked about great detail on that page, as well as the other ships used in the First Contact Borg scenes.
Although, speaking of canon. I have heard that Mr. Roddenberry did not seem to consider most, if not all, of Trek 5 to be canon. But again, who would :))
This may be a nice teaser for the upcoming TOS CD box set, and, together with Jeff Bond’s book "The Music of Star Trek" and the new booklet from the box set, may answer many questions about the scoring of Star Trek.
Musicforstartrek.rar download – 2shared (http://www.2shared.com/file/wHIhG2PN/Musicforstartrek.html)
As for the Akira, I had seen that in FAN productions long before any ILM involvement with it. I saw some fans cheering on one website that a FAN created ship actually got included in the Battle at Wolf 359, and they were all asking this one person, online and public, how much Paramount had paid him for his design, etc. If someone at ILM had created it, why was it seen in fan publications years before? I will have to dig thru my stuff, but I think that I have a fan book of various ship designs with the Akira in it. Memory Alpha is not infalible also, they are just Earthlings, after all! 🙂
Now, I could be wrong also, but until I get PROOF, I will stand by my original memory traces of that subject!
Of course, we have no solid evidence for most of history, and as a matter of fact, there is no physical evidence for the exsistance of Jesus, either! History shows celebrations on or around December 25 going back 4-5,000 years before the time of Jesus, all the way back to the Sumarian celebration of Marduke, a 14 day gift giving celebration, honoring Marduke for keeping the demon of chaos away for another year! You can actually Google that, if you are curious. I just did! 🙂
Anyway, history has always been written by the winning side of any conflict, and always had a particular spin for one side over the other. We all hear about how evil the Nazi’s were, but very little about all the mass murders and evil that the Japanese did, during their "forced walks" and POW camps in the philippines, or the monsterous evil that was done in Italy during the war. It’s just had that spin put on it, due to all the murders of all the Jews in Germany, and it should have gotten out, but ALL of it, should be told! But there seems to be a design to downplay what the Japs did, even to the point that they apparently murdered Amelia Earhart
and her navagator, Frank by Japanese soldiers on Nikumaroro island in the pacific. There are natives on that island that have told that story, saying that Frank was shot and killed at once, but the white woman was sick or injured, but not allowed any medical attention, and she also died. There’s alot of crap going down with history like that, I have found over the years.
Things are not always as they seem to be.
William
It is far bigger than the NX, it’s saucer size was meant to be the same as the E’s in width. It is true however that the producers wanted to use it as is for the NX, but were talked into compromising a tad here and there. These changes are discussed in the NX page of the same blog. But please, dig up the fan designs, so I can make my own decision rather than speculating.
William
William
It’s Hollywood. They do that, you know.
My sister’s first speaking line in a popular (still running) TV series, was dubbed over by a staff member and she was not told, so they didn’t have to pay her.
This may be a nice teaser for the upcoming TOS CD box set, and, together with Jeff Bond’s book "The Music of Star Trek" and the new booklet from the box set, may answer many questions about the scoring of Star Trek.
Musicforstartrek.rar download – 2shared (http://www.2shared.com/file/wHIhG2PN/Musicforstartrek.html)
I look forward to reading this…A BIG thanks Soundtrekker (aka Sir Squire of Gothos) 🙂
Scott
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It’s Hollywood. They do that, you know.
My sister’s first speaking line in a popular (still running) TV series, was dubbed over by a staff member and she was not told, so they didn’t have to pay her.
So true Justin! a friend of the family started as a tour guide at Universal Studios, met and married a music editor there and got into hand modeling (thanks to her husband)…they never gave her screen credit and only paid her cash, so they did not have to pay her for any acting union wage.
Scott
That cutaway of the Constitution class is amazing. The first time I believe it was published was when it was included as part of the Starship Creator 1.0 PC/Mac program by Simon & Schuster Software back in 1998:
Star Trek: Starship Creator – Memory Alpha, the Star Trek Wiki (http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_Starship_Creator)
From what I understand, Doug Drexler drew it for that product, and he must have re-used it when he was senior illustrator for Enterprise. I think it also formed the basis for SciTechPub’s cutaway poster that was released a couple years later as well.
Untitled Document (http://www.scipubtech.net/1701.php)
Doug Talks about it’s use on Enterprise a bit at his site here (no idea why he doesn’t mention of it being used in Starship Creator, but I still have the software, and if you do also, you can find the drawing included there)
1701 Cutaway ??? (http://drexfiles.wordpress.com/2009/10/11/1701-cutaway/)
TrekCore.com :: Star Trek The Original Series Complete Box Set Soundtrack – Neil S. Bulk (Producer) Interview (http://www.trekcore.com/merchandise/sttos_neilbulk.html)
TrekCore.com :: Star Trek The Original Series Complete Box Set Soundtrack – Neil S. Bulk (Producer) Interview (http://www.trekcore.com/merchandise/sttos_neilbulk.html)
A great interview!! thanks soundtrekker…
Scott
Thanks for posting these!
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I have now finally obtained the scans of Fred Steiner’s article "The Music for Star Trek. Scoring a Television Show in the Sixties". … This may be a nice teaser for the upcoming TOS CD box set, and, together with Jeff Bond’s book "The Music of Star Trek" and the new booklet from the box set, may answer many questions about the scoring of Star Trek.
Thanks for the link–an excellent article!
Yeah, I’ve always just chalked the whole off-axis bridge turbolift down to the earliest known instance of dimensionally transcendental engineering, it just appears shifted from the outside of the hull, it’s perfectly aligned in another dimension.
But probably the worst and most glaring error in Doug’s blueprints are the absolutely unforgivable absence of the ship’s bowling alley. How on earth could they survive a five year mission without it?!
Complete ‘Star Trek’ music set warps in – Entertainment News, Music News, Media – Variety (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118062812)
In this short article, there’s not much new, except, maybe, this:
"La-La Land will unveil the new box Monday at 7:30 p.m. at the Egyptian Theater in Hollywood. Bond will moderate a discussion with "Star Trek" writer David Gerrold ("The Trouble With Tribbles") and composer Fried. Classic episodes "Amok Time" and "Mirror, Mirror" will be screened. Fried, 84, is the only survivor among the original "Trek" composers and still plays oboe. At the event, he will perform a suite for oboe and piano based on eight themes he wrote for the series."
For people who cannot attend the cerenomy (like me!), here’s, at least, the suite for you to download (it was released in 2010 by BSX records as digital download, with Gerald Fried playing the oboe, accompanied by John Rangle at the piano):
fried music.rar download – 2shared (http://www.2shared.com/file/tz561C2m/fried_music.html)
Enjoy! 🙂
Complete ‘Star Trek’ music set warps in – Entertainment News, Music News, Media – Variety (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118062812)
In this short article, there’s not much new, except, maybe, this:
"La-La Land will unveil the new box Monday at 7:30 p.m. at the Egyptian Theater in Hollywood. Bond will moderate a discussion with "Star Trek" writer David Gerrold ("The Trouble With Tribbles") and composer Fried. Classic episodes "Amok Time" and "Mirror, Mirror" will be screened. Fried, 84, is the only survivor among the original "Trek" composers and still plays oboe. At the event, he will perform a suite for oboe and piano based on eight themes he wrote for the series."
For people who cannot attend the cerenomy (like me!), here’s, at least, the suite for you to download (it was released in 2010 by BSX records as digital download, with Gerald Fried playing the oboe, accompanied by John Rangle at the piano):
fried music.rar download – 2shared (http://www.2shared.com/file/tz561C2m/fried_music.html)
Enjoy! 🙂
Brilliant share, thank you! I love suites of music (one of the reasons I love the Label X stuff so much).
I’m starting to get nervous that this set’s going to sell out, so I’m going to be on the computer right away at 1 PM on the 4th, credit card in hand.
But probably the worst and most glaring error in Doug’s blueprints are the absolutely unforgivable absence of the ship’s bowling alley. How on earth could they survive a five year mission without it?!
What about shuffle board!! ping pong!!…. 😉
Scott
You’re welcome! Yes, the Label X releases were great, the next best thing to the original recordings. They kept my trek music soul alive for the past 27 years, aside from GNP’s original scores. One of the hightlights of the two albums was the suite to Gerald Fried’s "The Paradise Syndrome", followed by Dunings’s "Is There In Truth No Beauty?". And don’t forget Fred Steiner’s re-recorded suites: I always loved his interpretation of Duning’s "Empath", and his own "Charlie X". Now it will be most interesting to get the "real" stuff, to see what was missing.
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Thing is, was Riley serious or just being a drunken goof when he mentioned the bowling alley?
He was a serious drunken goof! 🙂 The bowling alley is right behind the impulse engine, right Scotty? 😉
William
If memory serves, the original Blueprints from the 1970’s indicated a bowling alley on the NCC-1701 Enterprise.
…yup "Deck 21: Food Preparation Center; Backup Materials Fabrication and Reclamation Facilities; Backup Food Prep. Facility; Bowling Alley "
ref links here
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Star_Trek_Blueprints
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He was a serious drunken goof! 🙂 The bowling alley is right behind the impulse engine, right Scotty? 😉
You are correct my friend…the only problem was we lost so many balls because the Impulse Engine Plasma Exhaust would shoot the ball out into space, right between the Warp Nacelles and that in turn would play all kinds havoc with the Magnetic Field Manipulation Coils…in short it made me Engine Panels light up like a Christmas Tree! Mr. Riley will never be in me Engine Room again…you should have seen what he left on the floor!! and I had to have maintenance clean it up and the smell!! good Lord laddie…it stayed for weeks…The Capitan should have had him shot into space.
Scott
Nuff said! Hehehehehe
William
…yup "Deck 21: Food Preparation Center; Backup Materials Fabrication and Reclamation Facilities; Backup Food Prep. Facility; Bowling Alley "
ref links here
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Star_Trek_Blueprints
Mr. Joseph never consulted me (in real life I did have the Honor of meeting him twice, and seeing his blue prints before they where ever sold to the public…a very warm and intelligent Professor at SDSU) and because of Star Fleet Security Regulations certain areas of the ship are Classified and could not be shown to the general public and our enemy’s. 🙂
Scott
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Well, why do you think that you haven’t seen him around for a couple of years? 🙂 Ever since he kept throwing those GUTTER balls, and they smashed into the waste disposal systems, knocked the walls out, and we had s**t all over the lanes, and backing up into the toliets, it was a hell of a mess! I mean the women’s shower was ankle deep in s**t, and they didn’t want to take showers for weeks, grew their underarm hair, and leg hair really long, so none of the male crewmembers would even date them, and tensions ran hot all over the ship, all because of one drunk jackass! So…. we chucked him into space!
Nuff said! Hehehehehe
William
And who had to clean it all up! ME and my crew…spent weeks with s**t up to my ankles…never got the smell off my boots, I had to shove them out the air lock with Mr. Riley remains, what a waste of a perfectly good pair of boots. Lets not talk about the arm pit hair Sir!! that scarred the s**t out of me, watching all those lovely lassy’s walking down the corridors combing their arm pit’s!! gave me nightmares for weeks…after a few weeks they all looked like Sasquatch! and smelled like it too.
Nuff said is right!!!
Scott
I’ll have to put thru a request for a new pair of work boots for you, hopefully they will be here in time for Christmas, and I hope that those jerks at Starfleet won’t deduct them from your Christmas bonus! 🙂
William
I’ll have to put thru a request for a new pair of work boots for you, hopefully they will be here in time for Christmas, and I hope that those jerks at Starfleet won’t deduct them from your Christmas bonus! 🙂 Know ‘n the bean counters as we do, they’ll deduced it for sure…remember what Dr. McCoy used to say.."The bureaucratic mentality is the only constant in the universe" Scott
William
William
You’re welcome, William! Yes, he should expand on it, maybe he’s doing right that today on the Soundtrack Celebration at the Egyptian in L.A., when he is performing as guest of honor, who knows?
I’m looking forward to your report on the event, William. Maybe you can make some audio or video documentations from the celebration and put it on youtube, or upload something? (Recordings in any form may be forbidden, though. Wouldn’t be the first time…)
Anyway, I’m eagerly awaiting any coverage of the event from you the next days, in any form, that would be great!!
Now over to trekcore, with a new interview with Lukas Kendall and 5 MORE AUDIO SAMPLES!!!: TrekCore.com :: Star Trek The Original Series Complete Box Set Soundtrack – Lukas Kendall (Producer) Interview (http://www.trekcore.com/merchandise/sttos_lukaskendall.html)
Really, if you like this score – buy it. If you want to hear it in complete before ordering – don’t ask for high quality – we already lost FSM CDs, and I think that we don’t want to lose LLL CDs too… 😉
I whole-heartedly agree. I myself do plan on buying this, but at $225 it’ll be a while. Then, I’m gonna buy the Ron Jones Project.
But I want to share something with the group: I was pulling my navy blue suit out of the closet last night, to make sure it didn’t have any massive wrinkles on it, and to brush it off completely, and it was hidden behind my tux, which I pulled out, and set aside. I put my blue suit across the room, on MY side of the bed, and went in to take a shower, totally forgetting about my tux. In the middle of my shower, my wife comes in, carrying my tux and said "SERIOUSLY??? You’re wearing a TUX tomorrow night???" Hehehehehehe She must have thought that I was a complete trekkie nerd, who thought that any Star Trek event was a major tux situation! I explained the navy blue suit ordeal to her, but she still looked at me, like a mother looks at her mentally challeged son… Hehehehehe 🙂
I will be there, with my BLUE SUIT on, and will give you all a full report on the morrow! 🙂
William
But I want to share something with the group: I was pulling my navy blue suit out of the closet last night, to make sure it didn’t have any massive wrinkles on it, and to brush it off completely, and it was hidden behind my tux, which I pulled out, and set aside. I put my blue suit across the room, on MY side of the bed, and went in to take a shower, totally forgetting about my tux. In the middle of my shower, my wife comes in, carrying my tux and said "SERIOUSLY??? You’re wearing a TUX tomorrow night???" Hehehehehehe She must have thought that I was a complete trekkie nerd, who thought that any Star Trek event was a major tux situation! I explained the navy blue suit ordeal to her, but she still looked at me, like a mother looks at her mentally challeged son… Hehehehehe 🙂
I will be there, with my BLUE SUIT on, and will give you all a full report on the morrow! 🙂
William
Makes you wonder how we ever tie our shoes with out them 😉 Looking forward to your report! and have a great time William 🙂
Scott
Safer than wearing a red shirt. 😉
Mr. Scott survived and he wore a red shirt! :p
Scott
But I want to share something with the group: I was pulling my navy blue suit out of the closet last night, to make sure it didn’t have any massive wrinkles on it, and to brush it off completely, and it was hidden behind my tux, which I pulled out, and set aside. I put my blue suit across the room, on MY side of the bed, and went in to take a shower, totally forgetting about my tux. In the middle of my shower, my wife comes in, carrying my tux and said "SERIOUSLY??? You’re wearing a TUX tomorrow night???" Hehehehehehe She must have thought that I was a complete trekkie nerd, who thought that any Star Trek event was a major tux situation! I explained the navy blue suit ordeal to her, but she still looked at me, like a mother looks at her mentally challeged son… Hehehehehe 🙂
I will be there, with my BLUE SUIT on, and will give you all a full report on the morrow! 🙂
William
Looking forward to it. And: enjoy the celebration!!
I did see several people that I knew and some that I didn’t. Mike Okuda came up to me and asked "How the HELL did you get in here?", and I totally brushed him off without any comment, my wife thought that I was totally great, because she knows what a creep Okuda is! I did speak with Jeff Bond, who was excited to see me there, and we talked geektrek for awhile, and he showed me his Enterprise model on display, that he built, very impressive!
Other people at the event were Larry Nemecek, Robert Meyer Burnett, Lukas Kendall, Neil S. Bulk, Matt Verboys and MV Gerhard from "Lalaland". Jeff Bond did a great job hosting and he even moderated the panel with Gerald Fried and David Gerrold.
Gerald Fried performed what he referred to "eight songs from three episodes" which got big laughs from the group. AND, it sounded VERY much like the music that Soundtrekker had already given us! 🙂
BTW, there were NO seats left in the place, and alot of people standing in the back of the auditorium! I was totally blown away by that!
Here are some links for pictures:
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10100750876898627.2535956.15600363&type=1&l=b1b69cfdea
And a Youtube video:
"8 Songs from 3 Episodes of Star Trek" featuring Gerald Fried – YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1BB7xM-NMg&feature=youtu.be)
It was really enjoyable, except for that small disappointment in the beginning!
Enjoy, William
Really, if you like this score – buy it. If you want to hear it in complete before ordering – don’t ask for high quality – we already lost FSM CDs, and I think that we don’t want to lose LLL CDs too… 😉
Just a reminder of a modest proposal… which makes a lot of sense. I just got burned for standing up against FLAC for Intrada’s Conan the Barbarian 3CD set just days after it came out, so here’s proof that there are some responsible people in this forum who actually understand how these releases are rare and shouldn’t be thrown to the wolves when they get out the door.
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Here are some links for pictures:
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10100750876898627.2535956.15600363&type=1&l=b1b69cfdea
Enjoy, William
Uh… do you realize that you just outed your identity by linking to these?
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10100750876898627.2535956.15600363&type=1&l=b1b69cfdea
And a Youtube video:
"8 Songs from 3 Episodes of Star Trek" featuring Gerald Fried – YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1BB7xM-NMg&feature=youtu.be)
Enjoy, William
Wow. Thanks for posting! I really wish I could have been there. But just got my confirmation that my order was accepted so at least the set is finally on it’s way to me!!! Honestly, I’ve been waiting almost 40 years for this day (since I first started recording the music off the TV with a cassette tape recorder). And all those years spent believing the masters were tossed or burnt! What a year it’s been for Star Trek soundtrack collectors!
Well, I’m going to lunch and cool down, hehehehehe
William
William
William
Yes, you will. I know I did when I read through it.
Enjoy, William
Good thing I have son’s…I don’t know how you say NO! to your daughter 😉 I could not! ask my nieces lol and you handled Okuda very tactfully all things considered and what a piece of work he is. It’s great to hear the place was packed and heart warming to know there are still a lot of people out there that still love TOS!
Thanks Again William….Scott
How long do LLL’s discs normally take to arrive?
I’m not sure where you were sitting but there were lots of seats available. More towards closer to the screen. I really enjoyed the event and hope there’s another one.
Im ripping the TOS 15 discs to FLAC as I type 😉
Other people at the event were Larry Nemecek, Robert Meyer Burnett, Lukas Kendall, Neil S. Bulk, Matt Verboys and MV Gerhard from "Lalaland". Jeff Bond did a great job hosting and he even moderated the panel with Gerald Fried and David Gerrold.
Gerald Fried performed what he referred to "eight songs from three episodes" which got big laughs from the group. AND, it sounded VERY much like the music that Soundtrekker had already given us! 🙂
BTW, there were NO seats left in the place, and alot of people standing in the back of the auditorium! I was totally blown away by that!
Here are some links for pictures:
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10100750876898627.2535956.15600363&type=1&l=b1b69cfdea
And a Youtube video:
"8 Songs from 3 Episodes of Star Trek" featuring Gerald Fried – YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1BB7xM-NMg&feature=youtu.be)
It was really enjoyable, except for that small disappointment in the beginning!
Enjoy, William
Thanks for giving us your impressions on the event. The youtube clip was great (even if filmed at great distance, the sound was well enough to get an authentic experience of the performance). It was great to see Gerald Fried play his suite on stage for an enthusiastic crowd (some cheering when the people recognized some scenes connected with the "songs"). While he had some difficulties with some parts of the partiture, giving his age of 84 he did rather well. And, yes, it’s exactly the arrangement of the digital BSX release!
It’s, again, interesting to get another insider view on some of the star trek people (in this case M. Okuda), and the story behind how they became famous in the franchise. Much appreciated!
It’s nice to see you’re good friends with Jeff Bond, though, so I gather he’s a great guy! And considering his many postings at trekmovie.com, FSM boards etc., he always seemed to be a down-to-earth "one-of-us" guy!
I’m glad you enjoyed the experience, William! Looking foward to hear from you again, when you get your box set and can tell us more about how you like it!
https://hotfile.com/dl/182499249/26c59c7/labels.rar.html
We were seated up in the balcony, pretty much on the other side from the Youtube video, and it was jammed up there. Didn’t see any empty seats all that much, some here and there, but I noticed on LALALAND’s site yesterday, they had placed a "ALL SEATS SOLD OUT" sign on their site, referring to Monday night’s event, and that is what I saw at the event, standing room only up there!
I had not met with Jeff Bond before Monday night, so I could not, in all honesty call him my friend, but he was a great guy to talk to, very down to Earth, as you said, and just the same as me, a regular Trek nerd! 🙂 My wife kept rolling her eyes, when he and I would share an inside joke, and then we would laugh like idiots, but my daughter got some of them, and would laugh along with us (she follows after her father, and is even working on her first TOS dress uniform, like Uhura’s!) (Really makes her old man very proud!)
And I know that when I do get the box sets in the mail, or via UPS (whatever) I will be taking a LONG time out to listen to them, while reading all of Jeff’s liner notes, to be sure! 🙂
William
William
Scott
p.s. I’m sure she already knows your going to disappear for awhile when you get this set.
That should keep her busy for WEEKS! Hehehehehehe
William
That should keep her busy for WEEKS! Hehehehehehe
William
LOOOOOOOL Until you get the bill!!! quickest way to a womans heart!! j/k
Scott
Well, I’d say not to post FLAC or 320 or MP3s or anything for a least a couple of months. Let these guys make some money!
I Agree!
Look, we all have our opposing viewpoints on this, which we’ve been through over and over again ad nauseum in various threads. Bottom line is, if someone wants to share, that’s up to them whether it be a day later or a year later. If you don’t agree with them sharing it, that’s fine too, but ye probably be sailin’ to the wrong site. Arr! 🙂
I will say, however, that given the size and nature of this set, I agree with Amanda that it might be best to share in 320 mp3, and not in FLAC (or if sharing with FLAC, perhaps do it via PM). But once again, however someone wishes to share is up to them.
William
Yes, they are, undoubtedly! I’ve all of them (37 tracks) on my mp3 player, they are 60 minutes of pure bliss and give a pretty good impression of what to expect! Some of the Steiner cues are incredible (the one from "Spock’s Brain" is brilliant and never had such an impact on me when hidden behind SFX and dialogue in the episode. This is, btw, the cue which plays in the teaser of the "Phase II" episode "Blood and Fire", where it’s used for a short space battle!)
Thanks for the scans, they are beautiful (would love to get the remaining 5, too!).
Now back to the samples (again!). 🙂
SEASON 1, DISC 1
The Cage
Music Composed and Conducted by Alexander Courage
Episode #1, Recorded 1/21/65
1. Main Title* M10 1:00
2. Dr. Bartender M11 1:23
3. Survivors M21 1:45
4. Prime Specimen/Bottled M22–30/M31 5:08
5. Probing/Monster Illusion/Monster Fight/The Kibitzers M41/M42/M43/M44 5:40
6. Long Look/Vina’s Punishment M45/M51 2:02
7. Pike’s Punishment M52 0:36
8. The Picnic M53 2:17
9. True Love M61 1:24
10. Vina’s Dance M62 1:56
11. Torchy Girl/Under the Spell/Primitive Thoughts M63/M71/M72 1:10
12. Wrong Think M73 0:43
13. To Catch a T. M74 1:24
14. Going Up M75 1:10
15. Max’s Factor M81 2:12
16. Who Was Eve? & End Credits* M82 1:32
Total Time: 32:01
*Contains “Theme From Star Trek (TV Series)” by Alexander Courage and Gene Roddenberry
Where No Man Has Gone Before
Music Composed and Conducted by Alexander Courage
Episode #2, Recorded 11/29/65
Aired #3, 9/22/66
17. Beyond the Pale (No Man Before)/Main Title M11/M12 1:06
18. Act 1 Card M13 0:37
19. Episode Titles M14 1:23
20. Force Field/Silver Orbs (Zooms Past) M15–20/M21 4:06
21. Crippled Ship M22 0:56
22. The Patient/Speedy Reader M23/M24 1:49
23. Some Corpse M31 2:21
24. Decision/Playtime/Megalomania/Stronger and Stronger/Hit the Button M32/M41/M42/M43/M44 3:03
25. On Delta Vega/Strangle by Wire M51/M52 1:14
26. When Your Eyes Have Turned to Silver M53 1:01
27. Instant Paradise M54 2:56
28. Power Mad/Situation Grave/Epilogue M61/M62/M63 6:09
29. End Title M64 0:23
30. End Credits M65 0:21
Total Time: 27:58
SEASON 1, DISC 2
The Man Trap
Music Composed and Conducted by Alexander Courage
Episode #6, Recorded 8/19/66
Aired #1, 9/8/66
1. Main Title* (electric violin version) 0:50
2. Small Planet Visit/The Changeling M10/M11 3:26
3. Episode Titles/Genuine Affection M12/M13 0:59
4. First Goner/Salty Cat/Dressing Down M14–21/M22/M23 1:52
5. Circle One/Monitor Gizzard/Down Again/Grey to Greene M24/M25/M26/M31 3:16
6. Salt Chaser M32 1:34
7. Noisy Plant M33 1:05
8. At First Sight/Pill Tosser M34/M35–41 2:52
9. Nancy Schmancy M42 1:54
10. The Unreal McCoy M43 2:02
11. Top Security/Lazer Dazer/Dodo Girl M44/M45–51/M52 4:02
12. Conference M53 4:47
13. Dead Crater/Last of the Last M54/M61 4:13
14. Warp One* M62 0:43
15. Trailer (“The Man Trap”) 1:02
Total Time: 35:15
*Contains “Theme From Star Trek (TV Series)” by Alexander Courage and Gene Roddenberry
The Naked Time
Music Composed and Conducted by Alexander Courage
Episode #7, Recorded 8/31/66
Aired #4, 9/29/66
16. Brass Monkeys*/Out of Glove M10/M11 2:58
17. Breaking Planet*/Sweaty Palm/Itchy Hand M12/M13/M14 1:20
18. Joe Berserk M21 3:01
19. Pulled Down*/It Spreads M22/M23 1:12
20. Joe Goes/Sulu Finks Out M24/M31 1:00
21. Up the Rebels/D’Artagnan-san M32/M33 3:09
22. Banana Farm M34 2:11
23. Out of Control/Lurch Time/Punchy Kid M41/M42/M43 1:48
24. Party Time M44 1:34
25. Medicine Girl/Hot Skin M45–51/M52 4:29
26. Off the Cloud M53 1:06
27. Captain’s Wig M54–61 4:01
28. The Big Go M62 2:42
29. Time Reverse*/Future Risk and End Title* M63/M64 1:45
30. Trailer (“Mudd’s Women”) 1:02
31. End Title* (electric violin version) 0:46
Total Time: 34:44
Total Disc Time: 70:07
SEASON 1, DISC 3
Charlie X
Music Composed and Conducted by Fred Steiner
Episode #8, Recorded 8/29/66
Aired #2, 8/15/66
1. Main Title* (cello version, arr./cond. Steiner) 0:51
2. Space Orbit†/Charlie X/That’s a Girl M10/M11+M11S/M12+M12 chimes 1:20
3. Kirk’s Command/Charlie’s Mystery/Charlie’s Gift M13/M14+M14S/M15–20 3:03
4. Card Tricks M22 1:40
5. Zap the Antares/Kirk Is Worried M23+M23S/M24 0:46
6. Kirk’s Command #2/Chess Game M31/M32+M32S 1:33
7. Charlie’s Yen M33 1:04
8. Kirk Puzzled M34 0:51
9. Zap Sam/Zap the Pistol M41/M42 1:37
10. Standoff M43 1:12
11. Kirk Waits/Charlie in Control M44/M45 1:08
12. Charlie’s Mad M51 1:10
13. Zap Janice M52 0:56
14. Zap the Cap M53 1:32
15. Zap the Spaceship M54 1:26
16. Zap the Broad/Charlie’s Friend M55/M61 2:02
17. Goodbye Charlie/Finale† M62/M63 1:50
Total Time: 24:40
*Contains “Theme From Star Trek (TV Series)” by Alexander Courage and Gene Roddenberry
†Based on a Theme by Alexander Courage
Mudd’s Women
Music Composed and Conducted by Fred Steiner
Episode #4, Recorded 9/7/66
Aired #6, 10/13/66
18. Distant Spaceship/Hint of Danger M11/M12 0:55
19. Still in Danger/Meet Mr. Mudd/Three Venuses M13/M14/M15 1:58
20. Venus Walks/Hello Girls M16/M21 1:29
21. Venus Aboard/Exit Mr. Mudd/Venus Aboard #2/Strange Glances/The Last Crystal/Mudd Laffs M22/M23/M24/M24A/M31/M32 2:50
22. Hello Ruth M33 1:03
23. Eve to Magda/Mudd Plan/Mudd’s Perfidy M34–41/M42/M43 1:07
24. The Venus Drug/Dwindling Power M44/M45 3:02
25. Planet Rigel M51 0:43
26. Space Radio M52 2:45
27. Planet Rigel #2/Eve Is Out M53/M54 1:19
28. Eve Cooks/Eve Is Tired/Pretty Eve M55/M56–61/M62 3:06
29. Mudd’s Farewell/Back in Orbit† M63/M64 1:20
Total Time: 22:01
†Based on a Theme by Alexander Courage
The Corbomite Maneuver
Music Composed and Conducted by Fred Steiner
Episode #3, Recorded 9/20/66
Aired #10, 11/10/66
30. Space Cube/Condition Alert M12/M13 1:22
31. Quiet Cube/Radiation M12A/M23A 1:10
32. Cube Radiation M23 1:20
33. Fesarius/Fesarius Approaches M31/M31A 2:06
34. Hideous Balok M33 0:27
35. Baby Balok M61A 0:35
Total Time: 7:11
Balance of Terror
Music Composed and Conducted by Fred Steiner
Episode #9, Recorded 9/20/66
Aired #14, 12/15/66
36. The Enterprise/In the Chapel† M11/M11A 1:23
37. Romulan Agitato 9MB 0:58
38. Romulan B.G. 9MC 0:41
39. Romulan Theme M22 0:56
40. Theme From Star Trek*/Romulan Warship/Romulan Theme 9MA pt 4/M31/M22A tk 3 0:56
41. Romulan Centurion M43 0:32
Total Time: 5:35
What Are Little Girls Made Of?
Music Composed and Conducted by Fred Steiner
Episode #10, Recorded 9/20/66
Aired #7, 10/20/66
42. Big Ruk M17A/M17/M17B 0:56
43. Meet Andrea/Android Kirk M22/M22A/M42 1:10
44. Ruk Protect/Ruk Attacks M43/M43A 3:18
45. Ruk Attacks/Enter Andrea M43AB/M54 1:47
46. End Title* (cello version, arr./cond. Steiner) 0:45
47. Desilu I.D. (Wilbur Hatch) 0:04
Total Time: 8:11
Total Disc Time: 68:04
SEASON 1, DISC 4
The Enemy Within
Music Composed and Conducted by Sol Kaplan
Episode #5, Recorded 9/14/66
Aired #5, 10/6/66
1. The Rock Slide*/Beam Up*/The Evil Kirk M11/M12/M13 1:11
2. Alter Ego* M14 1:00
3. The Tired Captain* M15 0:42
4. Brandy M16 0:48
5. The Lascivious Captain M17–21 2:37
6. Bruised Knuckles/An Impostor M22/M23 1:34
7. Kirk’s Log*/Indecisive/Evil Fury M24/M31/M32 2:47
8. Confrontation M33 2:17
9. The Prone Body*/Shivering Sulu*/No Repair M34–41/M42/M43 0:37
10. What to Do?* M44 0:42
11. Another Brandy/The Evil Grin/Double Dog Death* M45/M46/M51 1:24
12. Spock Takes Over*/Help Me* M52/M53 2:03
13. Evil Triumphs M54–61 1:05
14. Two Into One* M62 2:18
15. One Captain Kirk*/Thank You, Yeoman* M63/M64 1:19
Total Time: 22:58
*Contains “Theme From Star Trek (TV Series)” by Alexander Courage and Gene Roddenberry
The Conscience of the King
Music Composed and Conducted by Joseph Mullendore
Episode #13, Recorded 11/2/66
Aired #13, 12/8/66
16. Dagger Sweet’ner/Go for Baroque/Play-Off #1 M11A/M11/M12 1:26
17. Spaceship Titles*/Dr. Leighton’s Face/Bridge #1* M13/M14/M15 1:11
18. Quasi-Sex* (Theme From Star Trek, jazz version; Courage/Roddenberry, arr. Mullendore) LM5 1:37
19. Lenore M16–21 1:45
20. Kirk and Lenore*/He’s Dead M22/M23 1:42
21. Spaceship*/5 Sex and a ???/Play-Off #2* M24/M25/M26 1:10
22. Spaceship Play-On*/Toast and Corridor*/Lenore’s Kiss/Short Bridge M27/M31/M32/M33 2:31
23. Beyond Antares (Wilbur Hatch; vocal: Nichelle Nichols) MV1R 2:36
24. Poison M41 0:37
25. Play-On #2*/Quick Ship*/Phaser Overload M42/M43/M44 1:39
26. Kodos?/Voice Test M45/M46 1:33
27. Everything Is Later*/Play-Off #3* M51/M52 1:52
28. Ship Play-On*/Woodwind Fanfare/Reilly Gone M53/M54/M55 1:09
29. Go for Baroque M11 (M56) 1:25
30. I Know That Voice/All Ghosts Dead M57/M58–61 3:02
31. Opheliamania*/Bridge #2*/Last Cue* M62/M63/M64 3:01
Total Time: 28:51
*Contains “Theme From Star Trek (TV Series)” by Alexander Courage and Gene Roddenberry
Shore Leave
Music Composed and Conducted by Gerald Fried
Episode #17, Recorded 12/2/66
Aired #15, 12/29/66
32. New Planet/Rabbit Music M10A/10B 2:21
33. School Chum/Finnegan M23/M23A 1:40
34. 2nd Ruth (Ruth) M31A 2:38
35. Old English/Tiger/Costume/Birds/Samurai M33/M33A/M33B/M34/M34A 3:51
36. Knight/Joust M41/M41A 1:27
37. Dummy/Like Real M43/M44 0:56
38. A Clue/Finnegan’s Return/The Leg Trick/Dirt Trick M45–50 Pt. 1/M45–50 Pt. 2/M51/M53 4:34
39. Tiger Thoughts/Strafing/2nd Samurai/Caretaker/Lazarus M55–60/M55–60A/M55–60B/M61/M62 2:02
40. 2nd Ruth/Ruth to Commercial (2nd Ruth) M31A/M24B 0:49
Total Time: 20:34
Total Disc Time: 72:36
SEASON 1, DISC 5
The City on the Edge of Forever
Music Composed and Conducted by Fred Steiner
Interpolating “Goodnight, Sweetheart” by Jimmy Campbell, Reginald Connelly and Ray Noble
Episode #28, Recorded 3/24/67
Aired #28, 4/6/67
1. Main Title* (cello version; Courage/Roddenberry, arr. Steiner) 0:52
2006 Recording Conducted and Produced by Gregory Smith
2. New York 1930 M26–30+M26–30B 1:37
3. Edith’s Theme M33 1:25
4. Edith Suspects M43 1:20
5. Goodnight, Sweetheart (vocal)† M44 1:28
6. Edith’s Fate/Edith Must Die M47/M47A 1:16
7. Edith’s Vision M51 0:45
8. Edith Falls M61 0:55
9. Edith’s Death M65 0:37
Total Time: 10:38
*Contains “Theme From Star Trek (TV Series)” by Alexander Courage and Gene Roddenberry
†Contains “Goodnight, Sweetheart” by Jimmy Campbell, Reginald Connelly and Ray Noble, published by Campbell, Connelly Inc. and EMI Robbins Catalog Inc. (ASCAP).
First Season Library Music
Music Composed by Joseph Mullendore
10. Impension* LM1 1:10
11. Lonely to Dramatic* LM3 1:27
12. Romantic Scene* LM6 0:46
13. Pensive Mood* 13LM2 2:09
14. Play-Off (with button)* 13LM5 0:15
15. Play-Off (with sustain)* 13LM5A 0:18
Music Composed by Wilbur Hatch
16. Love Scene* 13LHM3 1:29
17. Humoresque* 13LHM7 0:43
18. Humoresque (tag)* 13LHM7A 0:13
Total Time (10–18): 8:48
Tracks 10–12 and disc 4, track 18 recorded with “The Corbomite Maneuver,” “Balance of Terror” and “What Are Little Girls Made Of?”
Tracks 13–18 recorded with “The Consience of the King”
Music Composed and Conducted by Fred Steiner
From “Charlie X”:
19. That’s a Girl M12X 0:42
20. Kirk’s Command M13X 0:57
21. Charlie’s Mystery M14X 0:45
22. Kirk Puzzled M34X 0:38
23. Kirk Puzzled M34Y 0:22
24. Kirk Puzzled M34Z 0:15
25. Zap Sam M41X 1:01
26. Zap the Pistol M42X tk 1 0:42
27. Zap the Pistol M42X tk 2 0:11
28. Standoff M43X 0:54
29. Standoff M43Y 0:17
30. Standoff M43Z 0:08
31. Zap Janice M52X 1:00
32. Zap the Spaceship M54X tk 1 0:08
33. Zap the Spaceship M54X tk 2 0:04
34. Charlie’s Friend M61X tk 1 0:40
35. Charlie’s Friend M61X tk 3 0:10
From “Mudd’s Women”:
36. The Last Crystal M31X 0:14
37. The Last Crystal M31X tk 3 0:07
From “The Corbomite Manuever”:
38. Condition Alert M13A 0:14
39. Hideous Balok M33A 0:25
40. Baby Balok M61 0:31
From “Balance of Terror”:
41. Theme From Star Trek* 9MA pt 1 0:12
42. Theme From Star Trek* 9MA pt 2 0:14
43. Theme From Star Trek* 9MA pt 3 0:11
44. Theme From Star Trek* 9MA pt 4 0:12
45. Romulan Theme M22/M22A tk 1 0:52
From “The City on the Edge of Forever”:
46. Edith Must Die M47B 0:12
Source Music, Sound Effects and Outtakes
Source Music From “Charlie X”:
47. Weird Guitar M21 (Steiner) 0:12
48. Charlie Is My Darling M21A/M21B (traditional, arr. Steiner; vocal: Nichelle Nichols) 2:17
First Season Score Alternates:
49. Joe Berserk M21 tk 3 (from “The Naked Time,” Courage) 0:14
50. Leg Trick M51/M51A (from “Shore Leave,” Fried) 1:02
Total Time (19–50): 17:14
The Squire of Gothos
Source Music Performed by Ivan Ditmars
Episode #18, Recorded 12/16/66
Aired #17, 1/12/67
51. A Major Sonata (Domenico Scarlatti) M21/M21A/M22 1:19
52. F Minor Sonata (Scarlatti) M31/M32 1:18
53. Southern Roses (Johann Strauss) M33–40 3:47
Total Time: 6:29
The Cage Pre-Recording
54. Vina’s Dance (Wilbur Hatch) 2:09
Sound Effects
55. Transporter Effect (“The Cage”) M4 tk 3 0:14
56. Planet Atmosphere (“The Cage”) [Series Transporter Effect] M16 tk 3 2:02
57. Pike Window Bump (“The Cage”) M8 tk 1 0:11
58. Talosian Door Effect (“The Cage”) M14 tk 6 0:08
59. Disappearance Effect (“The Cage”) MRV tk 1 0:14
60. Sickbay Scanner, High (“Where No Man Has Gone Before”) MFX3 tk 1 0:33
61. Sickbay Scanner, Low (“Where No Man Has Gone Before”) MFX2 tk 1 0:47
Unused Sound Effects
62. Computer Processing (“The Cage”) M11 tk 1 0:35
63. Computer Transmission (“Where No Man Has Gone Before”) MFX1 tk 1 0:23
64. Planet Atmosphere Alternate #1 (“The Cage”) M1 tk 1 0:34
65. Planet Atmosphere Alternate #2 (“The Cage”) M2 tk 2 0:34
66. Planet Atmosphere Alternate #3 (“The Cage”) M3 tk 1 0:36
67. Planet Atmosphere Alternate #4 (“The Cage”) M16 tk 4 2:01
68. Pike Window Bump (“The Cage”) M8 tk 2–6 0:14
69. Bass Twangs (“The Cage”) M10 tk 1, 2 0:46
Sound Effects Rehearsals and Outtakes
70. Planet Atmosphere (“The Cage”) [Series Transporter Effect] M16 tk 2 (Alexander Courage rehearsal) 1:05
71. Enterprise Fly-By (“The Naked Time”) MX1 tk 1 (Alexander Courage vocal effect) 0:28
72. Virus Sound (“The Naked Time”) MX4 tk 1, 2 0:41
Total Time (55–72): 12:56
Theme Music Outtakes
73. Main Title* (electric violin version; arr./cond. Courage) MT tk 1–5, 7 5:03
74. Main Title* (cello version, arr./cond. Steiner) M10A tk 1–3 3:02
75. End Title* (electric violin version, arr./cond. Courage) ET tk 1 0:57
76. End Title* (cello version, arr./cond. Steiner) META tk 1–3, 5–6 5:20
Total Time: 14:31
Total Disc Time: 73:21
SEASON 2, DISC 1
Catspaw
Music Composed and Conducted by Gerald Fried
Episode #30, Recorded 6/21/67
Aired #36, 10/27/67
1. Main Title* (soprano version, arr./cond. Courage) 1:01
2. Starship*/Captain Kirk M11/M12+M12X 1:13
3. Orbiting Ship*/Fog Planet M13/M13A+M13B 1:51
4. Thicker Fog/Witches M14+M14A/M15 1:47
5. Fog Storm/Castle/Second Castle M16–20+M16–20A/M21/M22 2:28
6. Cat Music/Enterprise* M22X/M22A 1:05
7. Follow That Cat/Brain-Washed M23/M24 2:10
8. Drugged/Scene Change Sweetener/Korob/Lap Kitten/Cat as Hostess/Free Meal/The Bribe M25/M25A/M26/M31/M32/M33+M33A/M34 3:27
9. Sylvia/Unguarded Entrances/Sympathetic Magic M35/M36/M37+M37X 2:41
10. Cooking Lesson/Force Field M41/M42 1:31
11. Defeated Captain/Music to Dent Force Fields By M43/M44 1:06
12. Bones, the Zombie M45 0:44
13. Love, Sort Of M51 3:26
14. Kirk Caught/Rescue M52/M53 0:52
15. Racial Memories/Captain Kirk/Mace Fight M54–60/M54–60A/M61 3:32
16. Giant Cat M62+M25A 1:31
17. Wand-Breaking/The Prototypes/Five to Beam Up* M63+M25A/M64+64B/M64A 1:32
Total Time: 32:36
*Contains “Theme From Star Trek (TV Series)” by Alexander Courage and Gene Roddenberry
Friday’s Child
Music Composed and Conducted by Gerald Fried
Episode #32, Recorded 7/7/67
Aired #40, 12/1/67
18. Ship*/Capella IV M11/M12 1:09
19. Captain’s Log* M13A/M13 2:06
20. Klingon Ship/Music for Fruits/The Teer M14/M15/M16-20 1:26
21. The Challenge/Klingon Blip M21/M21A 1:09
22. Distress Signal M22 1:42
23. Arm Barbeque/Slow Turn/Call of Duty M24/M25/M26 0:56
24. Scott/Bones’ Good Idea/Capellan Desert M31/M32/M33A 2:16
25. Belly Feeler M34 2:13
26. Sonic Ambush/Bouncing Boulder M35/M36 1:03
27. Kras on the Rocks/Paternity Case/New Capellan in Town M41/M45/M51 1:42
28. Negative Report/Old Russian Saying/The Mother Splits M53/M54/M55 1:34
29. The Baby Sitter/Road Hog M56/M57 0:44
30. Down the Throat M58 1:13
31. Arrows M61 1:28
32. Forfeit M62 1:31
33. Coochy Coo/Godfathers M63/M64 0:39
34. End Title* (soprano version, arr./cond. Courage) 0:46
Total Time: 24:13
Total Disc Time: 56:56
SEASON 2, DISC 2
Amok Time
Music Composed and Conducted by Gerald Fried
Episode #34, Recorded 7/19/67
Aired #30, 9/15/67
1. Main Title* (soprano version, enhanced stereo; arr./cond. Courage) 1:01
2. Enterprise/Prying M11/M12 0:47
3. Episode Title*/Mr. Spock/Log* M13/M14/M14A 1:59
4. Deep Thought*/Contrary Order/Prognosis/The Big Question/Message From T’Pring M15/M16–20/M16–20A/M21/M22/M23 5:01
5. Vulcan Biology/Pon Farr M24/M24A 3:44
6. More Soup* M26–30B 1:51
7. T’Pring M32 0:53
8. Vulcan M33 1:03
9. Processional M34–40 1:36
10. The Challenge M41 3:01
11. War Sash M42 0:43
12. Ritual/To the Death M43/M44 1:54
13. The Ancient Combat/2nd Kroykah M51/M52/M52A 5:09
14. Remorse/Vulcan Logic/Marriage Counseling M53–60/M53–60A/M53–60B 2:48
15. Resignation*/Lazarus Returned/Pig’s Eye* M61/M62/M63 0:44
Total Time: 32:46
*Contains “Theme From Star Trek (TV Series)” by Alexander Courage and Gene Roddenberry
The Doomsday Machine
Music Composed and Conducted by Sol Kaplan
Episode #35, Recorded 8/30/67
Aired #35, 10/20/67
16. Approach of the Enterprise*/Distress Signal/The Ship Search*/The Constellation M11/M12/M13/M13A 2:05
17. The Dead Ship*/Going Aboard M14/M15 2:00
18. Commodore Matt Decker/The Crew That Was M16–20/M21 1:59
19. What Is a Doomsday Machine?/The Planet Killer* M22/M23 2:02
20. Gaining Speed*/The Strange Beam* M24/M25–30 0:53
21. No Casualties*/Decker Takes Over M31/M32 2:41
22. The New Commander*/The Approaching Killer* M33/M33A 1:38
23. Light Beams*/Tractor Beam M34–40/M41 3:27
24. Violent Shakes* M42+M42A 2:45
25. Spock Takes Command/Decker’s Foil/The Sneaky Commodore* M43/M51/M51A 2:44
26. Goodbye M. Decker* M52/M52A 3:04
27. Condolences*/Power Drain* M53/M61 1:11
28. Kirk Does It Again* M62 3:45
29. One’s Enough* M63 0:24
30. End Title* (soprano version, enhanced stereo; arr./cond. Courage) 0:47
Total Time: 31:51
Total Disc Time: 64:45
SEASON 2, DISC 3
Who Mourns for Adonais?
Music Composed and Conducted by Fred Steiner
Episode #33, Recorded 7/12/67
Aired #31, 9/22/67
1. Ship of Stars/Green Hand M11/M12 1:50
2. Giant Hand M13 1:13
3. Apollo Motif M14/M14A 1:12
4. Apollo’s Power/Kirk’s Theme/Apollo’s Temple M21/M22/M23 3:16
5. Stingers/Giant Apollo M24/M24A/M24B/M24C/M24D/M25 1:02
6. Spaceship Stuck/Apollo Fades/Kirk to Apollo M26/M27/M28 1:17
7. Apollo Digs Carolyn/Apollo’s Fist/New Venus M29–30/M31/M32 2:37
8. Computer Generator M33 0:34
9. Apollo’s Temple #2 M34 2:58
10. Apollo Zaps M35–40 1:02
11. Apollo Weakens/Kirk to Enterprise/Bridge to Apollo M41/M42/M43 1:13
12. Kirk Worried M44–50 0:40
13. Apollo in Love M51 0:44
14. Dreamy Venus/Kirk and Carolyn/Spaceship Stuck Again M52/M53/M54 2:34
15. Apollo’s Kiss/Apollo’s Storm/Final Battle M55/M56-60/M61 3:35
16. End of Apollo/Spaceship Orbit† M62/M63 2:48
Total Time: 29:07
†Based on a Theme by Alexander Courage
Mirror, Mirror
Music Composed and Conducted by Fred Steiner
Episode #39, Recorded 9/8/67
Aired #33, 10/6/67
17. Mirror Mirror/Blackship Theme/The Agonizer M12/M12A/M12B 2:22
18. Blackship in Space/Blackship Underscore M13/M14 1:20
19. Thematic Bridge*/Blackship Tension M21/M21A 2:19
20. Suspicion M23 1:13
21. Evil Kirk/Evil Kirk #2 M32/M33 0:38
22. Meet Marlena/Short Curtain M36/37 2:01
23. Blackship Theme M12AA 0:46
24. Pretty Marlena M46 1:21
25. Goodbye Marlena M47–50 1:41
Total Time: 13:59
By Any Other Name
Music Composed and Conducted by Fred Steiner
Episode #50, Recorded 12/27/67
Aired #51, 2/23/68
26. Kelvan Theme/Neutralizer M12/M12A+M12AS 1:31
27. More Neutralizer M14 0:55
28. Rojan’s Revenge/Rojan’s Blocks/Broken Block M22/M23/M24 3:03
29. More Blocks/Rallentando M41/M42 2:05
30. Pretty Words/Short Playoff M52/M55 1:48
31. Kelinda’s Question/Rojan Roars/Kelinda’s Kiss M59/M61/M61A 1:40
32. Finale/Thematic Playoff*† M64/M64A 1:12
Total Time: 12:28
*Contains “Theme From Star Trek (TV Series)” by Alexander Courage and Gene Roddenberry
†Based on a Theme by Alexander Courage
The Omega Glory
“Star-Spangled Enterprise”
Incorporating “Theme From Star Trek” and “The Star-Spangled Banner”
Devised and Conducted by Fred Steiner
Episode #54, Recorded 12/27/67 (With “By Any Other Name”)
Aired #52, 3/1/68
33. Drums 0:20
34. Star-Spangled Enterprise (act out)* MX-1/MX-6 0:20
35. Star-Spangled Enterprise (episode medley)* MX-5/MX-4/MX-2 0:38
36. Star-Spangled Enterprise (outtakes medley)* MX-3/MX-7/MX-6 0:37
Total Time: 2:01
*Contains “Theme From Star Trek (TV Series)” by Alexander Courage and Gene Roddenberry
Second Season Library Music
Composed and Conducted by Fred Steiner
From “Who Mourns for Adonais?”:
37. Kirk to Apollo M28A 0:26
From “Mirror, Mirror”:
38. The Agonizer M12BA 0:25
39. Blackship in Space M13A 0:38
40. Blackship in Space M13B 0:22
41. Blackship Tension M21AA 1:02
42. Blackship Tension M21A 0:35
43. Suspicion M23A 0:37
44. Meet Marlena M36A 0:49
From “By Any Other Name”:
45. Kelvan Theme M12 tk 5 0:40
46. Neutralizer M12AA 0:59
47. Rojan’s Blocks M23A tk 3 0:41
48. Short Playoff M55A 0:15
From “Charlie X”:
49. Chess Game (M32, recorded with “Who Mourns for Adonais?”) LM50 1:24
50. Zap Sam (M41, recorded with “Who Mourns for Adonais?”) LM51 1:11
51. Goodbye Charlie (M62, 2 versions, recorded with “By Any Other Name”) LM53 1:31
From “The Corbomite Maneuver”:
52. Fesarius Approaches (M31A, recorded with “Mirror, Mirror”) LM52 2:15
Total Time (37–52): 14:24
Total Disc Time: 72:26
SEASON 2, DISC 4
Metamorphosis
Music Composed and Conducted by George Duning
Episode #31, Recorded 6/28/67
Aired #38, 11/10/67
1. Shuttlecraft/Shuttle Helpless M11/M12 2:09
2. The Planetoid/Most Unusual M13/M14 1:15
3. Cochrane* M15 1:35
4. Looks Familiar M21 0:50
5. Companion*/Still Alive M22+M22X/M23 0:42
6. Zefram/Nancy Flips* M24/M25 1:14
7. You’ve Got It/Angry Companion* M26/M27–30+M27–30X 1:12
8. Cochrane Calls M31+M31X 2:14
9. Spock OK/Judas Goat M32/M33/M33A 2:06
10. Mad Companion* M34+M34X 1:36
11. Starship*/Scott Anxious M41 tk 3/M42 0:37
12. Transition*/Companion Talks/Kirk Frustrated M43/M44/M44A 4:22
13. Cochrane Angry/Spock Puzzled/Nancy Sobs* M45/M46–50/M51 1:11
14. Kirk Pleads/New Nancy M52+M52X/M53 3:06
15. It’s Her/Loveliness M54/M55–60 2:57
16. You Loved Me M61 1:45
17. Cochrane’s Decision* M62 1:11
Total Time: 30:36
*Contains “Theme From Star Trek (TV Series)” by Alexander Courage and Gene Roddenberry
Return to Tomorrow
Music Composed and Conducted by George Duning
Episode #51, Recorded 12/29/67
Aired #49, 2/9/68
18. The Voice* M12 1:07
19. Who Are You/The Globes* M15/M21 1:20
20. Sargon Transfers/Sargon Requests M22/M23 2:23
21. Thalassa/Kirk Returns M24/M31 1:14
22. Kirk’s Philosophy* M32 0:57
23. Ready Sargon M33 0:52
24. Thalassa Recalls M34–40 1:53
25. Henoch†/I Remember M41/M44 1:13
26. Thalassa Worried†/Nurse Puzzled†/Thalassa Concerned/Thalassa Pleads M45/M45A/M46/M51 2:33
27. Sargon Inert† M52 0:56
28. Nurse Chapel*/Spock Alive M55–60/M63 1:34
29. Last Moments* M64 1:41
Total Time: 18:09
*Contains “Theme From Star Trek (TV Series)” by Alexander Courage and Gene Roddenberry
†Contains “Blackship Theme” Composed by Fred Steiner
Patterns of Force
Music Composed and Conducted by George Duning
Episode #52, Recorded 12/29/67 (With “Return to Tomorrow”)
Aired #50, 2/16/68
30. Military Mite (Nazi March) M10 tk 1 1:41
31. Military Mite (Nazi March) (soft version) M10 tk 2 1:17
32. Military Mite (Nazi March) (10 bars, soft opening) M10 tk 3 0:24
33. Military Mite (Nazi March) (10 bars, hard opening) M10 tk 4 0:26
34. Military Mite (Nazi March) (6 bars, long ending) M10 tk 5 0:14
35. Military Mite (Nazi March) (6 bars, short ending) M10 tk 6 0:14
36. Military Mite (Nazi March) (horn motive) M10 tk 7 0:08
37. Military Mite (Nazi March) (horn theme) M10 tk 9 0:14
38. Military Mite (Nazi March) (percussion only) M10 tk 10 1:42
Total Time: 6:35
The Apple
Unused Percussion Tracks
Composed and Conducted by Gerald Fried
Episode #38, Recorded 7/10/67 (With “Friday’s Child”)
Aired #34, 10/13/67
39. M1 tk 1 1:35
40. M2 tk 1 0:59
41. M3 tk 2 0:20
42. M4 tk 1 1:33
43. M5 tk 1 1:02
44. M6 tk 1 0:20
Total Time: 5:59
Wolf in the Fold
Unused Belly Dancer Music
Composed and Conducted by Gerald Fried
Episode #36, Recorded 7/19/67 (With “Amok Time”)
Aired #43, 12/22/67
45. Navel Maneuvers M1/M1A 3:05
Total Disc Time: 64:51
EASON 2, DISC 5
I, Mudd
Music Composed and Conducted by Samuel Matlovsky
Episode #41, Recorded 9/22/67
Aired #37, 11/3/67
1. Main Title* (soprano version, second season mix; arr. Courage) 1:03
2006 Recording Conducted and Produced by Gregory Smith
2. Please*/You Listen M21/M23 1:25
3. Harry Mudd/Mudd’s Series M24/M25 1:00
4. Stella M31 0:44
5. Control Room M32 0:55
6. Eternal Beauty/Crew Gone M33/M36 0:42
7. We Are Real M40 1:12
8. A Gilded Cage/Not Programmed M41/M42 1:09
9. Mudd’s Farewell/Stella’s Reprise M43/M44 0:59
10. Alice in Wonderland M55 2:08
11. Love’s Hate M56 0:50
12. Tired of Happiness M62 1:26
13. The Last Straw M63 2:12
14. Mudd’s Detention/Stella 500 M65/M66 1:38
Total Time: 17:50
*Contains “Theme From Star Trek (TV Series)” by Alexander Courage and Gene Roddenberry
The Trouble With Tribbles
Music Composed and Conducted by Jerry Fielding
Episode #42, Recorded 10/5/67
Aired #44, 12/29/67
15. The Muzak Maker M16 0:55
16. They Quibble Over Tribble/Kirk Out M21+M21S/M31 0:58
17. The Scherzo Maker M34 0:44
18. Bartender Bit M35 0:28
19. Big Fite M36/M36A/M36B 2:15
20. A Matter of Pride/Barrel of Tribbles/Tribble Hooks Kirk/My Chicken Sandwich/Come on Spock!/Raining Tribbles M42/M43+M43S/M44/M44A+M44AS/M44B/M51/M51A+M51AS /M52/M54+M54S 4:03
21. Dead Heap!/Close That Door/Hissing Tribbles/Poor Jonesy/No Tribble at All M55/M56/M57/M63+M63S/M65 2:30
Total Time: 12:05
Second Season Library Music
Conducted by Alexander Courage
Recorded 6/16/67
Composed by Alexander Courage:
22. Ship in Orbit* (Big) LM6 0:39
23. Sad and Thoughtful on Captain’s Theme LM8 2:29
24. Captain Playoff No. 1 (Heavy) LM2 0:07
25. Smooth Neutral Ship Theme* LM7 0:39
26. Playoff on M.T. Theme LM1 0:21
27. Fight on Captain’s Theme LM5/LM5A 1:44
28. Captain Playoff No. 2 (Neutral—Slightly Ominous) LM3 0:07
29. Stingers LM17A/LM17B/LM17C/LM17D 0:50
30. New Sexy Exotic LM9 2:16
31. Captain Playoff No. 3 (Sad and Alone) LM4 0:19
32. Prime Specimen (“The Cage” M21–30) LM19 3:14
33. Monster Illusion (“The Cage” M42) LM18 2:33
34. Mr. Spock (“Captain’s Wig” From “The Naked Time” M54–61) LM16 3:26
35. The Big Go (“The Naked Time” M62) LM15 2:29
Composed by Fred Steiner:
36. Mudd’s Perfidy (“Mudd’s Women” M43) LM10A/LM10 0:33
37. Zap the Cap (“Charlie X” M53) LM11 1:33
38. Zap the Cap (“Charlie X” M53) LM11A tk 1 0:08
39. Zap the Cap (“Charlie X” M53) LM11A tk 2 0:05
40. Zap the Spaceship (“Charlie X” M54) LM12 1:28
41. Zap the Spaceship (“Charlie X” M54) LM12A 0:33
42. Zap the Spaceship (“Charlie X” M54) LM12B 0:07
43. Ruk Attacks (“What Are Little Girls Made Of?” M43A) LM13 1:40
Composed by Gerald Fried:
44. 2nd Ruth (“Shore Leave” M31A, orch. Gus Levene) LM14 2:35
Total Time (22–44): 30:43
Second Season Alternates and Outtakes
45. Neck Pinch Sweetener (“Catspaw” M61A) (Fried) 0:04
46. More Soup* (“Amok Time” M26–30/M26–30A) (Fried) 1:52
47. Resignation* (“Amok Time” M61A) (Fried) 0:08
48. Approach of the Enterprise* (“The Doomsday Machine” M11A) (Kaplan) 0:23
49. Approach of the Enterprise* (“The Doomsday Machine” M11A/M11S) (Kaplan, with Fred Steiner brass sweetener) 0:24
50. One’s Enough* (“The Doomsday Machine” M63A/M63) (Kaplan) 0:24
51. Shuttle Helpless (“Metamorphosis” M12A) (Duning) 0:38
52. Starship* (“Metamorphosis” M41 tk 2) (Duning) 0:14
53. Nancy Sobs* (“Metamorphosis” M51A) (Duning) 0:19
54. Nancy Sobs* (“Metamorphosis” M51B) (Duning) 0:10
55. You Loved Me (“Metamorphosis” M61A) (Duning) 0:20
56. Cochrane’s Decision* (“Metamorphosis” M62B) (Duning) 0:13
57. We Are Real (“I, Mudd” M40A) (Matlovsky) 1:11
58. No Tribble at All (“The Trouble With Tribbles” M65A) (Fielding) 0:13
59. Poor Jonesy (“The Trouble With Tribbles” M63, orchestra only) (Fielding) 0:29
60. Poor Jonesy (“The Trouble With Tribbles” M63S, trombone sweetener at recorded speed) (Fielding) 0:53
61. Tribbles FX (unused) (Matlovsky) 0:52
Total Time: 9:23
SEASON 3, DISC 1
Spectre of the Gun
Music Composed and Conducted by Jerry Fielding
Episode #56, Recorded 7/5/68
Aired #61, 10/25/68
1. Main Title* (soprano version, stereo; arr. Courage, cond. Hatch) 1:01
2. Melkots’ Warning*/Hailing Frequencies* M11/M12 5:04
3. It Is Done! M14 1:04
4. Tombstone M15–20 1:19
5. The Clantons Lost/Death Is Real!/Tack Piano (Weird) M21/M22/M23 1:30
6. Good Morning Gents/Draw Clanton M31/M32 1:03
7. Taos Lightning/Teeth Pulling M33/M34 1:22
8. My Name—Doc Holliday/Love Scene in Old West/Chekov Gets Killed M35–40/M41/M42 4:50
9. Not Yet Our Time M44 0:46
10. One Other Place/Any Way You Can/Ten Minutes M51/M52/M53 1:15
11. We’re Trapped/Shoot Out, Part 1 M54/M55–60 3:15
12. Shoot Out, Part 2/Kirk Wins! M55–60/M61/M61A 1:11
13. It’s Gone Sir M62 0:44
14. No Title/Final Curtain* M63+M63B/M63A 1:18
Total Time: 26:10
*Contains “Theme From Star Trek (TV Series)” by Alexander Courage and Gene Roddenberry
The Paradise Syndrome
Music Composed and Conducted by Gerald Fried
Episode #58, Recorded 7/19/68
Aired #58, 10/4/68
15. Pine Trees/The Amerikinds/Tahiti Syndrome/The Brain Wash M11/M12/M13/M14 3:38
16. Episode Title/Puzzled Kirk/Miramanee/Maximum Warp/Engine Strain M21/M22/M23/M24/M25 3:34
17. Bad Memory*/Breath of Life*/The New God/Deflection M26/M27/M27A/M28–30 3:34
18. Asteroid/Dilithium M31/M31A 1:54
19. Washday/Salish Fluffed/Potter Kirk/Naming the God/Target M32/M33/M34/M35/M36 4:19
20. Lazy Lazer/Joining Day M37/M38–40 1:57
21. Meditating Spock/Wedding Dress/Challenge M41/M42/M42A 1:46
22. The Fight/The Ceremony/Listless Spock/Spock Cheats Doctor/Forest Montage/Troubling Dreams/Mud Map M43/M43A/M45/M46/M47–50/M47–50A/M47–50B/M50A 5:11
23. Forever Cooking/Wind/False God M51/M52/M53 2:50
24. Check-Up/Death to a False God/Mind Fusion M54/M55/M61 2:29
25. Back to Reality/The Right Words/Wounded Girl M62/M62A/M62B 2:15
26. The Right Button/Death of Miramanee/End M63/M64+M64A/M65 3:08
27. End Title* (soprano version, stereo; arr. Courage, cond. Hatch) 0:43
Total Time: 37:58
Total Disc Time: 64:15
SEASON 3, DISC 2
Elaan of Troyius
Music Composed and Conducted by Fred Steiner
Episode #57, Recorded 7/12/68
Aired #68, 12/6/68
1. Mission to Elas/Meet Kryton/Meet Elaan M11/M12/M13 2:24
2. Elaan of Elas/Impulse Drive/Elaan Is Annoyed/Peevish Elaan/Thematic Bridge*/Elaan’s Interest M15/M16/M17/M21/M22/M23 2:40
3. Mysterious Things/Klingon Warship/Elaan in Trouble M24/M25/M26 2:01
4. Medical Man/Elaan Motif/Elaan Eats M27/M28/M29–30 1:00
5. Elaan Angry/Enemy Warship/Bad Kryton M31/M32/M33 2:57
6. More Trouble/Elaan’s Temper M34/M35 1:23
7. Magic Tears/The Intruder/Kryton Vanishes M36–40/M41/M42 3:40
8. Afterwards M43 1:26
9. Realization/Battle Stations M44/M45 1:54
10. Close Call M46 1:12
11. Elaan Pleads M51 1:34
12. Klingon Command M52 1:55
13. Elaan’s Jewels/Confrontation M53/M54 1:54
14. Battle Music M55–60 2:06
15. Thematic Bridge*/Goodbye Elaan/Kirk in Command M61/M62/M63 2:28
Total Time: 31:05
Spock’s Brain
Music Composed and Conducted by Fred Steiner
Episode #61, Recorded 8/26/68
Aired #56, 9/20/68
16. Alien Ship/Meet Kara M11/M12 3:08
17. Awakening/Poor Spock M13/M14 1:26
18. No Mind/Tense Moment/Tracking the Alien/The Question M15/M16/M21/M22A/M22 1:10
19. Icy Planet/Caveman/Caveman Fight M23/M24/25 2:56
20. Caveman Run/Cave Music/Corpus Spock/Hello Luma/Kara Zaps Kirk M31/M32/M33/M34/M36 4:06
21. Chicken Delight/Kirk Caught/The Answer/The Agonizer/Sulu’s Log M41/M42/M43/M44/M45 2:57
22. Communicators/Scientific Fight M46/M47A 1:54
23. Spock Walks/Agonizer #2/Spooky Spock M49–50+M50A/M51/M52 tk 3 3:54
24. Magic Helmet/Kara’s Kaper M53/M54 1:50
25. Kara Commands M55 0:51
26. Kirk’s Dilemma/Magic Helmet #2/Operation Spock/Operation Montage/Spock Is O.K./Spock’s Fugue M56/M57–60/M61/M62/M63/M64 7:05
Total Time: 31:45
Fred Steiner Library Cues
From “Elaan of Troyius”:
27. Meet Elaan M13A 0:33
28. Elaan in Trouble M26A 0:14
29. Bad Kryton M33A/M33B 1:23
30. Battle Stations M45A 1:01
31. Goodbye Elaan M62A 0:15
From “Spock’s Brain”:
32. Meet Kara M12A 0:28
33. Poor Spock M14A/M14B 0:21
34. The Question M22A 0:38
35. Kara Motif M26 0:09
36. Corpus Spock M33A 0:33
37. Hello Luma M34A/M34B 1:28
38. Scientific Fight M47 0:32
39. Overstings M48A 0:30
40. Spooky Spock With Overstings M52 tk 3+M48A 1:13
41. Brain Box M50A 0:09
42. Spooky Spock M52 tk 4 1:11
43. Kara’s Kaper M54A 0:28
44. Kara Motif (Fred Steiner rehearsal and master) M26 0:56
Total Time (27–44): 12:51
Total Disc Time: 75:50
Season 3, Disc 3
The Enterprise Incident
Music Composed and Conducted by Alexander Courage
Episode #59, Recorded 8/5/68
Aired #57, 9/27/68
1. Main Title* (soprano version, monaural; arr. Courage, cond. Hatch) 1:01
2. Aberrated Captain* M11 3:04
3. Surrounded/Temper, Temper M12/M13 1:14
4. Unfair Exchange M14–20+M14–20B 1:04
5. Vulcanian Cahoots M21 3:34
6. Hemmed In*/Vulcanization M22/M31 0:48
7. Konked Kirk M32 3:42
8. Vulcanized M33 1:13
9. Kirk Rekirked M41 1:21
10. Back From Dead/Commandeered M42/M43–50 6:31
11. Back to Business M51 2:13
12. Stolen Device M52 2:51
13. Reworked*/Deposition/Sweaty Scotty M53/M54/M55–60 1:50
14. Free Enterprise* M61 6:19
15. Ear Bob* M62 0:36
Total Time: 37:56
*Contains “Theme From Star Trek (TV Series)” by Alexander Courage and Gene Roddenberry
Plato’s Stepchildren
Music Composed and Conducted by Alexander Courage
Episode #67, Recorded 10/25/68
Aired #65, 11/22/68
16. Giant Dwarf* M11 0:45
17. Meet the Folks/Soaring Syringe M12/M13 1:09
18. Episode Titles M14 0:45
19. Delirium Parmen’s* M15–20 2:34
20. Reluctant Guests/Psychokinetic Effect M21/M21A 0:30
21. The Frog (Alexander’s Song) (vocal: Michael Dunn) M22A 0:27
22. Slap Unhappy M23 0:41
23. Cut Off/I Hear You Calling M24/M25+M25A 0:45
24. Psychokinetic Shenanigans/Stopped Cold M26/M31 1:17
25. Groveling Kirk M32+M32A 2:46
26. Dancing Spock M33 3:49
27. Spock Brought/New Talent M41/M51 0:54
28. The Aristocrats/Flung About M52/M53 1:24
29. Maiden-Wine† (vocal: Leonard Nimoy) M54A 1:18
30. Orgy Porgy M55–60 5:58
31. Brain Bout M61 1:51
32. The Little Visitor M62 0:38
Total Time: 28:06
*Contains “Theme From Star Trek (TV Series)” by Alexander Courage and Gene Roddenberry
†Composed by Leonard Nimoy, Published by Adajul Music (BMI)
Whom Gods Destroy
Music Composed and Conducted by Alexander Courage
Episode #71, Recorded 10/25/68 (With “Plato’s Stepchildren”)
Aired #69, 1/3/69
33. Arab Hootch Dance (Hootchie Kootchie) LM133 1:44
The Way to Eden
Songs by Arthur Heinemann, Charles Napier and Craig Robertson
Music Director: Wilbur Hatch
Episode #75, Recorded 11/20/68
Aired #75, 2/21/69
34. Beam-In Sweetener M6 0:04
35. Looking for a New Land (vocal: Charles Napier) MV1 1:31
36. Like Hail (vocal: Napier) MV3 0:13
37. Hey, Out There! (vocals: Charles Napier and Deborah Downey) MV2 2:48
38. Far Out Jam (William Pitman) M8/MV5A 1:14
39. Headin’ Out to Eden (vocal: Napier) MV4 1:04
40. Headin’ Out to Eden (instrumental tags) M7A tk 2, 1 0:24
41. End Title* (soprano version, monaural; arr. Courage, cond. Hatch) 0:43
Total Time: 8:15
Total Disc Time: 76:21
SEASON 3, DISC 4
Is There in Truth No Beauty?
Music Composed and Conducted by George Duning
Episode #62, Recorded 9/6/68
Aired #60, 10/18/68
1. Enter Marvick*/Enter Miranda† M11/M12 1:37
2. Ambassador Arrival*/My Life Is Here†/I Must Know/Starship Party* M13/M14/M15/M21 3:35
3. McCoy’s Toast/Quite a Woman/Marvick Pleads M22/M23/M24/M24A 5:26
4. Marvick Mad/Marvick Berserk/Marvick Dies M31/M32/M32A/M33 5:56
5. Unknown Void/Sentimental Jim/What Is Ugly?†/Why? M34/M41/M42/M43 3:56
6. Blind Miranda/Mind Link†/Spock—Kollos M44/M51/M52 4:54
7. Hero Spock*† M53/M53A/M53B 3:38
8. Don’t Move/Spock Out/No Change/Miranda Mad†/Miranda’s Farewell*† M61/M62/M63/M64/M64B/M64A/M64C/M65 7:19
Total Time: 36:39
*Contains “Theme From Star Trek (TV Series)” by Alexander Courage and Gene Roddenberry
†Contains “Mr. Spock” Composed by Gerald Fried
The Empath
Music Composed and Conducted by George Duning
Episode #63, Recorded 9/6/68
Aired #67, 12/6/68
9. Starship Again*/Nova Phase/What Happened? M11/M12/M13 2:01
10. Lost Trio/Enter Gem/The Vians/Kirk Stunned/Force Field/Kirk Healed M14/M15+M15A/M16/M21/M22/M23 4:26
11. Vian Lab/The Subjects M24/M25 1:55
12. Cave Exit†/Star Trek Chase/Slow Motion Kirk M26/M27/M28–30/M28–30A/M28–30B 3:17
13. One Specimen/Kirk Tortured/Kirk’s Agony/Help Him/Vians’ Threat M31/M32/M33/M34/M35 4:54
14. How’s It Going*/Spock’s Hypo/Spock Stuck†/McCoy Tortured/Gem Wistful M41/M42/M43/M44/M45 3:52
15. Poor McCoy/Bedside Manner/No Interference/Time Grows Short M51/M52/M53/M54–60/M54–60A 6:33
16. Don’t Touch Me M61 2:07
17. Vians’ Farewell/Off Again* M62/M62A/M63 1:51
18. Empath Finale*† M64 1:05
Total Time: 32:24
*Contains “Theme From Star Trek (TV Series)” by Alexander Courage and Gene Roddenberry
†Contains “Mr. Spock” Composed by Gerald Fried
Requiem for Methuselah
Brahms Paraphrase by Ivan Ditmars
Episode #76, Recorded 1/15/69
Aired #74, 2/14/69
19. Pseudo Brahms Esq. M26/M26A 2:22
20. Pseudo Brahms Esq. (alternate ending) M26 2:13
Total Time: 4:37
Total Disc Time: 73:53
SEASON 3, DISC 5
And the Children Shall Lead
Music Composed and Conducted by George Duning
Episode #60, Recorded 8/9/68
Aired #59, 10/11/68
1. Main Title* (soprano version, third season mix; arr. Courage) 1:02
2006 Recording Conducted and Produced by Gregory Smith
2. Triacus*/What Goes Kids? M11/M12 2:41
3. Triacus Burial/Kooky Kids/Reluctant Kids M13/M14/M15 1:49
4. Strange Feelings M16–20 1:30
5. Starship Again*/Instant Ice Cream M21/M22 1:04
6. Busy-Busy/Tommy Tired/Here Comes the Gorgon/Kids’ Whammy #1 M23/M24/M25/M26 3:59
7. Standard Orbit #1*/Starnes’ Tape/Kids’ Whammy #2/Tommy’s Whammy/Standard Orbit #2*/Whammed Crew*/Starnes’ Story M31/M32/M33/M34/M35/M36/M36A/M37 5:36
8. Mislead Innocent/McCoy Mad*/Out of Orbit*/Call the Angel M38/M41/M42/M43/M43A 2:56
9. Kids in Control M44–50/M44–50A/M44–50B/M44–50C/M44–50D/M44–50E 7:14
10. Scotty Whammied/By Whose Orders M51/M52 2:01
11. Last Whammy M53/M53A 1:30
12. Gorgon Summoned/Gorgon Zapped* M54–60/M61 5:07
Total Time: 36:56
*Contains “Theme From Star Trek (TV Series)” by Alexander Courage and Gene Roddenberry
Third Season Library Music
Conducted by Wilbur Hatch
Recorded 6/25/68
From “The Cage” (Alexander Courage):
13. Survivors (M21) LM100 1:41
14. Bottled (M31) LM101 1:51
15. Monster Illusion (M42) LM102 2:46
16. Monster Illusion (tag) (M42) LM102A 0:09
17. The Kibitzers (M44) LM103 0:40
18. Vina’s Punishment (M51) LM104 1:54
19. Vina’s Dance (M62) LM105 1:52
20. Wrong Think (M73) LM106 0:42
From “Where No Man Has Gone Before” (Alexander Courage):
21. Act 1 Card (M13) LM107 0:37
22. Crippled Ship (M22) LM108 0:54
23. Speedy Reader (M24) LM109 1:05
24. End Title (M64) LM110 0:23
From “The Man Trap” (Alexander Courage):
25. First Goner (M14–21) LM111 tk 3 0:48
26. First Goner (M14–21) LM111 tk 4 0:49
27. Dressing Down (M23) LM114 0:07
28. Monitor Gizzard (M25) LM113 0:13
29. Monitor Gizzard (M25) LM113A 0:09
30. Lazer Dazer (M45–51) LM112 2:43
31. Dodo Girl (M52) LM115 0:09
From “Catspaw” (Gerald Fried):
32. Drugged (M25) LM116 1:23
33. Mace Fight (M61) LM117 0:59
34. Mace Fight (M61) LM117A 0:18
From “Friday’s Child” (Gerald Fried):
35. Down the Throat (M58) LM118 1:13
36. Arrows (M61) LM119 1:25
Total Time (13–36): 25:40
Composed and Conducted by Gerald Fried (With “The Paradise Syndrome”)
37. School Chum (“Shore Leave” M23) LM125 0:32
38. Mr. Spock (“Amok Time” M14) LM128/LM128A 0:57
39. Contrary Order (“Amok Time” M16–20A) LM129 2:58
40. More Soup* (“Amok Time” M26–30B) LM126 2:00
41. More Soup (“Amok Time” M26–30B) LM126A/LM127 1:05
Total Time: 7:41
Conducted by George Duning (With “Is There in Truth No Beauty?”)
42. Act Out LM131 tk 1 0:14
43. Act Out LM131 tk 2 0:13
Total Time: 0:30
Score Alternates
44. Ambassador Arrival* (“Is There in Truth No Beauty?” by Duning, M13A) 0:15
45. Out of Orbit* (“And the Children Shall Lead” by Duning, M42A) 0:14
46. Final Curtain* (“Spectre of the Gun” by Fielding, M63C) 0:13
47. Unfair Exchange (“The Enterprise Incident” by Courage, M14–20A) 0:15
48. Tromba Sweetener (“Plato’s Stepchildren” by Courage, M25A) 0:23
49. The Aristocrats (“Plato’s Stepchildren” by Courage, M52A) 0:16
Total Time: 1:48
The Savage Curtain
Episode #77, Recorded 1/24/69
Aired #77, 3/7/69
Music Composed and Conducted by Wilbur Hatch
50. Drums/Salute to Our President Fanfare MX/M1/M1A 1:30
51. Salute to Our President Fanfare (outtakes medley) M2/M3/M4/M5 0:52
52. End Title* (soprano version, alternate ending; arr. Courage, cond. Hatch) 0:41
53. Paramount Television I.D. (Wilbur Hatch) 0:05
Total Time: 3:16
Total Disc Time: 76:18
Enjoy, William
William
36. Like Hail (vocal: Napier) MV3 0:13
37. Hey, Out There! (vocals: Charles Napier and Deborah Downey) MV2 2:48
38. Far Out Jam (William Pitman) M8/MV5A 1:14
39. Headin’ Out to Eden (vocal: Napier) MV4 1:04
same here …. 320 will be all ok for me ….its far too much as i live in the uk and simply outside my affordability …
36. Like Hail (vocal: Napier) MV3 0:13
37. Hey, Out There! (vocals: Charles Napier and Deborah Downey) MV2 2:48
38. Far Out Jam (William Pitman) M8/MV5A 1:14
39. Headin’ Out to Eden (vocal: Napier) MV4 1:04
So that’s your highlight of the box? Than you are not Herbert, I presume? 🙂
You alright there, my friend?
Did you have a minor stroke when you saw that tracklist? Hehehehehehe 🙂
William
Mine shipped!
Yes, I ordered within minutes of it going up and mine is still "Pending Review."
Yes, I ordered within minutes of it going up and mine is still "Pending Review."
You alright there, my friend?
Did you have a minor stroke when you saw that tracklist? Hehehehehehe 🙂
William
Almost!! That is the Holy of Holys of track list!!!!! I almost shad a tear after reading it…something I thought we would never see…*sniff sniff* my apologizes Sir…got a little carried away. 🙂
Yes I’m okay!
Scott
Yes I’m okay!
Scott
Mr. Scott, please! Not in front of the Klingons!
HEHEHEHEHE, that is a good one! 🙂
Actually, the person over at LALALAND that put in my order called last night and we are having lunch today, so I can pick up my sets in person! (OHYEAH!!) 🙂
On a sadder note, I got a nasty PM from a person calling himself "Scorebuff", and using alot of the terms that "GWENT" had used previously, even calling me "Pal" in the PM title! He accused me of trying to claim credit for this box set, and how I was a "fraud" regarding this situation, and I cannot think of anything that I have ever said that would lead someone to that conclusion, but then again, Gwent was really mental to be sure, so if anyone encounters this person, steer a wide path away from him, as I will be doing!
William
Actually, the person over at LALALAND that put in my order called last night and we are having lunch today, so I can pick up my sets in person! (OHYEAH!!) 🙂
On a sadder note, I got a nasty PM from a person calling himself "Scorebuff", and using alot of the terms that "GWENT" had used previously, even calling me "Pal" in the PM title! He accused me of trying to claim credit for this box set, and how I was a "fraud" regarding this situation, and I cannot think of anything that I have ever said that would lead someone to that conclusion, but then again, Gwent was really mental to be sure, so if anyone encounters this person, steer a wide path away from him, as I will be doing!
William
Ooh, sounds like a stalker to me. Not sure I have seen you say you put this box set together. But you might be that evil version of William from that other dimension where spock had a beard…….Ulp! if you are your probably going to kill me to keep me quiet. 😉
I think steering clear is a good idea.
Wish I could afford this set, but having two children a wife, a mortgage and a very low paid job…..Well lets just say that I wished I believed in Father Christmas/Santa 🙁
PCM
I’ll let you know……
William
Enjoy Friday’s Child for me!
William
I guess it is better then sport ‘n a woody!! 😉
Scott
I’ll let you know……
William
Darn. I was just about to ask you to ask the LaLaLand guy about Filmation’s Masters of the universe soundtrack (they’ve fairly recently dropped a Borg cube sized hint at F M S board that they’re going to release it, though still no details. Hopefully it won’t be the same disc that comes with the new DVD set).
Actually, the person over at LALALAND that put in my order called last night and we are having lunch today, so I can pick up my sets in person! (OHYEAH!!) 🙂
On a sadder note, I got a nasty PM from a person calling himself "Scorebuff", and using alot of the terms that "GWENT" had used previously, even calling me "Pal" in the PM title! He accused me of trying to claim credit for this box set, and how I was a "fraud" regarding this situation, and I cannot think of anything that I have ever said that would lead someone to that conclusion, but then again, Gwent was really mental to be sure, so if anyone encounters this person, steer a wide path away from him, as I will be doing!
William
As far as I know you have never claimed any credit for this box set! Just another person to add to the ignore list….Sounds like someone has been at the crack pipe again!! Thanks for the heads up William.
Scott
———- Post added at 04:47 PM ———- Previous post was at 04:45 PM ———-
Well, Fantastic Friday, I got the sets!!! I’m like a kid with an early Christmas, looks like my wife and oldest daughter are going to be spending the whole weekend at the malls, while my youngest and I totally overdose on TREK!!! 🙂
I’ll let you know……
William
Now that is a way to O D!!
Scott
Now, back to the score at hand, I have sampled most of the tracks, and they are really clean and clear, although mostly mono, which is good. Unlike Neil, LALALAND didn’t try to have someone fuss around with the quality, and try to make a fake stereo sound, just cleaned up the tracks and kept them pure! No "Spacial environment" sound on these tracks. But I was looking at the tracks, and thinking that there are some episodes missing. I will have to look at the episode guide and cross check it to the track listings, marking off one episode at a time. I can do that and listen to the music at the same time, hehehehe
It would be nice if they could release volume two of MORE music and sound effects, in the near future. BTW, the SFX are not even close to the ones that I posted here, so….I hope that they will come up with alot more! PLEASE???? With the 3 CDs of TOS SFX, I only had about 10% of the total sounds in Doug Grindstaff’s directory, so there are more out there!
William
I’d be all for a TOS boxed set part two with more SFX, music outtakes and alternate takes, etc. BTW, where is Neil Norman? No mention by anyone of him being at the Egyptian ceremony on Monday, no interviews (like the boxed set producers at Trekcore.com and other sites, etc.)?
HR Pufnstuf
William
The insane amount of echo? That was downright retarded of Neil. Only a deaf person could possibly pretend that it sounds good.
No, this "Scorebuff" has got to be GWENT, it sure feels like him again, and I knew that he has been lurking around. Oh, and BTW, there is no "Evil" William at all, most who know me, know that I am fairly mellow all of the time, if I get mad about something, it’s gone in 5 minutes or less! 🙂
Now, back to the score at hand, I have sampled most of the tracks, and they are really clean and clear, although mostly mono, which is good. Unlike Neil, LALALAND didn’t try to have someone fuss around with the quality, and try to make a fake stereo sound, just cleaned up the tracks and kept them pure! No "Spacial environment" sound on these tracks. But I was looking at the tracks, and thinking that there are some episodes missing. I will have to look at the episode guide and cross check it to the track listings, marking off one episode at a time. I can do that and listen to the music at the same time, hehehehe
It would be nice if they could release volume two of MORE music and sound effects, in the near future. BTW, the SFX are not even close to the ones that I posted here, so….I hope that they will come up with alot more! PLEASE???? With the 3 CDs of TOS SFX, I only had about 10% of the total sounds in Doug Grindstaff’s directory, so there are more out there!
William
If this set ever comes to the UK, it going to be well over the ???200 mark due to VAT, import charges and Retail mark up (ie profit)
BTW ………… Has anyone noticed that this release has come out at the same time as the 1/350 scale original USS Enterprise model kit from Polar Lights, or did they arrange to release it at the same time.
Well, not to worry people, they are coming!
William
Well, not to worry people, they are coming!
William
Only problem is finding somwhere to put them…..and then when you’ve found somewhere trying to convince the wife to let you put it there. Mind you, I have a friend who’s wife has let him put a 5ft Naboo strfighter on their livingroom ceiling.
My ex-wife adamantly refused to let me display any of the models I had built over the years, and thats one of the reasons she is an ex. So now I display whatever I want with no repercussions from anyone, oh I’ve had some friends and family look at them like I was some kid stuck in my teens, but if they don’t like them then they don’t have to come over to my house. It’s not like I have them hanging all over the place, they have there own room (which is nice) if you have the extra space. Sci Fi men need a man cave where we can dream, read or listen to our music in peace. Just my thoughts…
Now back to our regaler scheduled program…"TOS Music staring WilliamTaylor & Soundtrekker"!! "Funding provided by "The Daystrom Institute"
Scott
———- Post added at 01:19 PM ———- Previous post was at 01:02 PM ———-
Yes, I noticed that. Funny that you mention that, night before last, I was reading Paul Newitt’s review of the kit, and it is impressive!!! Back in the 70s I wanted to start a model kit company called "BIG kits" and have oversized models like that. I got the idea when I saw all the old Aurora prototype models, which were twice the size of their kits, and I thought "I want a kit THAT size" hehehehe
Well, not to worry people, they are coming!
William
I think we have all built or glued model kits together when we were kids, but I’m with you William!! I would have loved to have a over sized kit of the Enterprise! Hell, if I had the extra money and room I’d build a Studio Grade (read 11 feet in length) model of TOS Enterprise, lights with all the bells and whistles…then I build the refit and on and on….hehehehehe
Scott
Oh, and I got my shipping notice today!
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That Sucks BIG Time!! got to love a Government that spends more then it takes in! (Read US Government) I wish I could do that, Print my own money and not face any repercussions…some of us have to live with in our own budgets.
Rant Over…
Scott
William
William
Your meds are fine William! 😉 Personally I enjoy your rants!! makes for every good information (being a insider and all) so we get to see a side of Hollywood most people don’t know or even hear about!! I love to hear about the "Prima Donnas" they make for good conversation to my kids….So Continue Ranting William!! 🙂
Scott
Its pretty great.
Wouldn’t that be nice?
William
Speaking of which – anyone noticed a subtle homage to TOS music during the nebula scene? Specifically, the theme that plays in WHERE NO MAN HAS GONE BEFORE as the Enterprise approaches the galactic barrier. 🙂
Though it may not be a homage… still, sounds somewhat reminiscent.
Mind posting a comparison ?
Actually never mind. Upon listening it again, it’s a different melody.
You are not the only one who is waiting, but please remember there are people here who have ordered it, and yet it’s not been dispatched.
The only person we know who has the music is William, and the chance are he won’t be ripping it as he’s most likely pugged into the CD player enjoying he music with his youngest.
The saying, "Good things comes to wait"
Wait we shall and one day it will appear either here or on the internet as a torrent in a country that has no rules about copyright.
So, does the new box set mean that all other TOS sets can be chucked then?
So, does the new box set mean that all other TOS sets can be chucked then?
I’ve been watching several youtube sites, along with Steve Neil Garage (Steve Neill’s Blog (http://steveneill.wordpress.com/)) [Steve worked in Special Effect’s in Hollywood) on building the Polar Light’s kits. The model is very impressive, but I want a 11 footer I can build from scratch. I understand the health problems, I myself have a failing heart with a pacemaker/defibrillator…which can be shocking!! hahaha but I still want a big one with all the bell’s and whistles! guess its a guy thing!! I have several AMT kits built when I was a kid, even built several others (From Star Fleet Technical Manual) from using AMT kits and what else I could find, bought several from Think Geek and on and on it goes. One of these days I will build the Polar Light’s TOS and Refit, thats why I wanted the pictures you have, to make sure it is as accurate as possible.
I have not listen to all of it yet, but I would not chuck out the others! it depends on the discerning ear! and what I mean is, most people want stereo, 5.1 surround sound or higher! but, when they hear mono they are just turned off…so hold on to your other CD’s Amanda. So far the TOS CD set is great! I can not recommend it enough for die hard TOS music officando’s.
Scott
any prior box sets were likely the 3 volumes of gnp cds collected, so yes.
i will still hang on to my rips of the VS and label X re-recordings; they are not the originals but are interesting enough as reinterpretations… i would keep those.
So, does the new box set mean that all other TOS sets can be chucked then?
Yes and no.
The quality is superior, but some of the themes have been combined into single tracks which makes the old releases unique.
how i’d love to have that LP
And, thanks for placing me in the same breath as Crescendo, Varese, and Label X! I am truely humbled…..
William
Hey, nice phones khitomer. Even though the question was for William, I use either my Bose QC15’s or my Bose Mobile On Ear. Both of which sound fantastic. What do other people use out of interest?
I have not listen to all of it yet, but I would not chuck out the others! it depends on the discerning ear! and what I mean is, most people want stereo, 5.1 surround sound or higher! but, when they hear mono they are just turned off…so hold on to your other CD’s Amanda. So far the TOS CD set is great! I can not recommend it enough for die hard TOS music officando’s.
Scott
the library down the street from me as a kid had the first gnp vol. of TOS on vinyl…
how i’d love to have that LP
Indeed it is and well said!!
Scott
And, Scotty, I know Steve Neil, and his ex-wife Ve Neil, who both did work on STTMP and other projects from TREK as well. Steve had told me that the original Klingon headpiece molds were sitting out in the weather on the back lots, behind buildings 32 and 34, along with some destroyed model pieces from the first and second films, so I rushed over to the studio, but found nothing. Steve had seen them over 6 months before that, and they could have been anywhere, but chances were that they were just thrown in the trash, if I read my studio creeps correctly. I once saw one of the orignal bridge chairs, the blue with the black leather tops, that was thrown in a compactor of some sort, crushed, and then it was thrown in a dumpster!!! I could have cried right then and there!
Some people in the studios really SUCK!!!
William
And, Scotty, I know Steve Neil, and his ex-wife Ve Neil, who both did work on STTMP and other projects from TREK as well. Steve had told me that the original Klingon headpiece molds were sitting out in the weather on the back lots, behind buildings 32 and 34, along with some destroyed model pieces from the first and second films, so I rushed over to the studio, but found nothing. Steve had seen them over 6 months before that, and they could have been anywhere, but chances were that they were just thrown in the trash, if I read my studio creeps correctly. I once saw one of the orignal bridge chairs, the blue with the black leather tops, that was thrown in a compactor of some sort, crushed, and then it was thrown in a dumpster!!! I could have cried right then and there!
Some people in the studios really SUCK!!!
William
Enough to make a grown man cry!! I’m sure you read them correctly William, and I hope they have a rotten retirement. Steve Neil is a good guy and a great artist he has past on quite a few pieces of info on building models, which is the main reason I watch his videos. I don’t know if you have heard but his current wife has cancer and she fall a few weeks ago and broke her hip, so both of them are having a tough time, but Steve keeps going. To bad you could not sue Norman and dump him in the trash or better yet in the trash compactor! Hell I’ll push the damn button.
The more I re-read you comments about what they dumped in the trash the more I just want to brain them!! what butt wipes!!
Scott
It would be nice if they could release volume two of MORE music and sound effects, in the near future. BTW, the SFX are not even close to the ones that I posted here, so….I hope that they will come up with alot more! PLEASE???? With the 3 CDs of TOS SFX, I only had about 10% of the total sounds in Doug Grindstaff’s directory, so there are more out there!
William
I’d be surprised if there is anything left off the set. I’ve been cross referencing each cue from the tracklists as they were shared on the FSM board, and comparing them with my (now defunct) DVD rips. It looks complete to me. Won’t know for sure until my set arrives in the mail – but I don’t think you have anything to worry about William. 🙂
William, as far as the pure music is concerned (I’m not speaking about SFX), I completely agree with what Verisimilitude says: all the music composed and recorded is part of this set! The producers had stated repeatedly that they looked at all the tapes and tried to figure out which takes were used for the final prints. Then they looked for cues which were never used and added them, too. Yes, there were roughly 70 hours of tapes they had found, and the set has 17 hours, but the remaining cues are, as I understand, just double takes, so ALL the music is represented at least once on the set! But if you really find something you feel was left, let us know! 😉
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Hi William,
I’d be all for a TOS boxed set part two with more SFX, music outtakes and alternate takes, etc. BTW, where is Neil Norman? No mention by anyone of him being at the Egyptian ceremony on Monday, no interviews (like the boxed set producers at Trekcore.com and other sites, etc.)?
HR Pufnstuf
Maybe he was too ashamed for the crappy GNP records he released, or he didn’t want to see William there (for obvious reasons)! Am I right, William?
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No, this "Scorebuff" has got to be GWENT, it sure feels like him again, and I knew that he has been lurking around. Oh, and BTW, there is no "Evil" William at all, most who know me, know that I am fairly mellow all of the time, if I get mad about something, it’s gone in 5 minutes or less! 🙂
Now, back to the score at hand, I have sampled most of the tracks, and they are really clean and clear, although mostly mono, which is good. Unlike Neil, LALALAND didn’t try to have someone fuss around with the quality, and try to make a fake stereo sound, just cleaned up the tracks and kept them pure! No "Spacial environment" sound on these tracks. But I was looking at the tracks, and thinking that there are some episodes missing. I will have to look at the episode guide and cross check it to the track listings, marking off one episode at a time. I can do that and listen to the music at the same time, hehehehe
It would be nice if they could release volume two of MORE music and sound effects, in the near future. BTW, the SFX are not even close to the ones that I posted here, so….I hope that they will come up with alot more! PLEASE???? With the 3 CDs of TOS SFX, I only had about 10% of the total sounds in Doug Grindstaff’s directory, so there are more out there!
William
I remember buying that record waaaaaaay back in 1985 (when I was 15 years old). I still have it too (at my parents house – I should really go and get that). I remember at the time being blown away by how many cues I recognized and how much of that music had been recycled in the 3 seasons of Trek. My first stop when my boxset arrives later this week is to pop in disc 1 and journey back in time to listen to The Cage and Where No Man Has Gone Before once again. I’m still pinching myself over this boxset. Never in my wildest dreams did I think I would be fortunate enough to own every last note. A milestone! 🙂
Yes, that’s how I remember it also. In 1985, I was 24, and that first ever Star Trek LP was a must-have for me! I have that vinyl still today (also at my parents house – how funny!), and won’t get rid of it, for nostalgic reasons. But this new box set is the final HOLY GRAIL, which should end the history of TOS trek music on CD once and for all!
The music of TOS TV series was very, very good and the first album (of the TV series music) I got in germany was the music of the pilot episode. I was frustrated! Later I found also the music of the Corbomite Maneuveur, Charlie X and others. Some of THAT tunes show for me the ESSENCE of Star Trek (music). So I am very excited for the TOS Box.
Sorry if I may write a little too "german" english. I follow this forum since quite a while and it makes fun to read, so I just thought,… it would be time to say something, too. 😉
The music of TOS TV series was very, very good and the first album (of the TV series music) I got in germany was the music of the pilot episode. I was frustrated! Later I found also the music of the Corbomite Maneuveur, Charlie X and others. Some of THAT tunes show for me the ESSENCE of Star Trek (music). So I am very excited for the TOS Box.
Sorry if I may write a little too "german" english. I follow this forum since quite a while and it makes fun to read, so I just thought,… it would be time to say something, too. 😉
No problem, shran, your "german" english is good enough to comprehend what you’re saying (in my case, that’s because I’m German myself! 🙂 ). Yes, it WAS difficult to get the various soundtracks back then! I remember, that my first Bernard Herrmann LP was a 3-LP-box with the Decca-Recordings of Herrmann’s re-recordings from London (Psycho, Marnie, Vertigo, Fahrenheit 451, and some of his Fantasy scores), and I didn’t find them in Germany, but in Paris, while I was there on a journey with my schoolmates ("Klassenfahrt"). My very first soundtrack LP was STTMP, and that was the start of my huge collection of LP’s and CD’s with film music. Later in the 80ies, I got much of my scores from the "Tarantula" shop in Hamburg, which was specialised in soundtracks.
NO, I do not have it, so no pm please.
any have it now. But uploading a 15 disc set takes a LONG time. Each disc will require two arts, so 30 links. and we all know they will get deleted before anyone gets them all, so why bother posting OPENLY….
NO, I do not have it, so no pm please.
Yep, absolutely Amanda, it would probably be there for an hour at the most before they are gone. You’ve got to realise Valkyna that there will be people here who are from Lalaland, and, whilst these sets are still available, they will be keeping an eye on the forums for anyone posting links. I think it will be a while yet before we see these.
AND, Comicjoe’s links to the Star Trek Youtube videos as well have been deleted!!! 🙁
Here are the Youtube links, and a couple of more:
STAR TREK After They Were Famous Part One – YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxsmNHpw9CM)
Star Trek – Shatner and Nimoy " 1966 Interviews" – YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlS3t4y2TRA)
Star Trek TOS Bloopers & Unused Scenes 1 – YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWG7xdKy0Bs)
William
http://forums.ffshrine.org/f92/official-star-trek-thread-82011/115.html?
🙂
NO, I do not have it, so no pm please.
I agree here. Posting the CDs is a mistake, even with the URL’s being shorten or altered to hide them, search engines will still find them.
If we can’t have the music here then I’d imagine that this is the same for the CD booklets. I would love to read/look at the notes from all the sleeves in the CDs just so that we get to see all the hard work that went into the research. Behind the scene information has always interested me and 15 cd of booklets would be great, but no it is best wait and see.
William
The music of TOS TV series was very, very good and the first album (of the TV series music) I got in germany was the music of the pilot episode. I was frustrated! Later I found also the music of the Corbomite Maneuveur, Charlie X and others. Some of THAT tunes show for me the ESSENE of Star Trek (music). So I am very excited for the TOS Box.
Sorry if I may write a little too "german" english. I follow this forum since quite a while and it makes fun to read, so I just thought,… it would be time to say something, too. 😉
Your English is Fine shran! and welcome to the peanut gallery.
Scott
Scott
Thank you , Scotty 😉
In the case of the "Ron Jones Project" they – later – published the CDs as mp3-Download at Amazon. For instance here: Amazon.com: The Defector: The Stand-Off: Ron Jones: MP3 Downloads (http://www.amazon.com/The-Defector-Stand-Off/dp/B004T9C8NK/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1355215434&sr=8-7&keywords=ron+jones+star+trek) and I have gotten some of the CDs via this download. I have paid for it, because I think that is okay. I have "only" the music, but that is adequate to the money I am earning via my job. I can live with this solution.
With publishing the TOS box ONLY in this expensive box, they boost the wish to download illegal uploads. Thats just logical, as a vulkan friend of mine would say. 😉
Well, I will order the first CD of the "Label X" soundtrack – so I will have at last a taste of tos 😉 Until now I have only the GNP and Varese CDs.
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Posted: Dec 8, 2012 – 9:36 PM
By: Joe Sikoryak (Member)
Jeff Bond does another interview on the ST Collection, this time on the enjoyably erudite Movies on the Radio with host David Garland on New York’s WQXR classical station. There will be plenty of discussion of the music and plenty of samples as well. This show will be up for a few weeks, and I recommend checking out previous episodes as well:
WQXR – New York’s Classical Music Radio Station (http://www.wqxr.org/#!/programs/movies/)
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Jeff Bond at his best, showing his fascination and geekiness (again!) for trek tos music. And they are playing A LOT of new clips from the set, many of them not published before! So if you are waiting for your set, or just want to hear even more clips, you may want to download this radio show!
Thanks!!
Speaking of which – anyone know why soundtrack discs are more expensive than DVD movies/TV shows?
Thanks!!
I use downloadhelper, that’s a free app you can install into your browser (you can google it). As soon as the audio stream starts, downloadhelper offers you the direct download option onto your drive! (Direct download from the WQXR seems not possible, apparently.)
Yes, but that’s due to the fact that in the 80ies, GNP Crescendo didn’t have the same source as La-La-Land now had, but rather tapes of lesser quality, as I have learned. The later releases by GNP (Vol. 2 + 3, the "Best of" clips) were based on the same sources like what La-La-Land had, though. They were better than vol. 1, but couldn’t reach the quality of this new set, apparently – due to lesser technology, as you said!
Do you have any idea how much licensing fees cost? And anyway, this just sounds like justification. You want to be a pirate, fine. Have the balls to admit it instead of playing the victim card.
Simple economics; licensing fees and production expenses versus projected sales.
Contrary to seemingly popular belief, soundtracks (particularly score CDs) aren’t big sellers and never have been. Minority interest products demand higher prices to offset costs. Ironically, piracy decreases sales meaning prices must increase more to maintain income. When income is less than costs, labels go bankrupt and releases stop happening.
Contrary to seemingly popular belief, soundtracks (particularly score CDs) aren’t big sellers and never have been. Minority interest products demand higher prices to offset costs. Ironically, piracy decreases sales meaning prices must increase more to maintain income. When income is less than costs, labels go bankrupt and releases stop happening.
Ah.
Though it’s bit difficult to say if piracy does that. I mean, there’s no data that shows how many people that download item X can afford it and how many people can’t.
ME!! (hehehehehe)
Actually, that is true, in a manner of speaking. I got those tapes from a guy who was not very trustworthy, and they could have been actually a 3rd, 4th, or even 5th generation copy from what LALALAND has!
He was the same guy who grabbed the LAST episode vocals track out of the trash at Paramount, that was turned into the "Star Trek Bloopers’ record! He had done alot of shady deals in the 70’s and early 80’s and then he totally disappeared, and nobody heard from him, or had seen him since. Perhaps one of his "Customers" had enough of his BS, and let him "Sleep with the fishies" Hehehehehe
William
ME!! (hehehehehe)
Actually, that is true, in a manner of speaking. I got those tapes from a guy who was not very trustworthy, and they could have been actually a 3rd, 4th, or even 5th generation copy from what LALALAND has!
He was the same guy who grabbed the LAST episode vocals track out of the trash at Paramount, that was turned into the "Star Trek Bloopers’ record! He had done alot of shady deals in the 70’s and early 80’s and then he totally disappeared, and nobody heard from him, or had seen him since. Perhaps one of his "Customers" had enough of his BS, and let him "Sleep with the fishies" Hehehehehe
William
Or he is in the State Pen doing 30 for stealing from Paramounts dumpsters LOL
William
William
If you hear the sirens hide under the table LOL
Of course. I’m also a pirate. If you aren’t, why are you on this site? Just man up and admit it.
My set arrived today. 🙂 Smaller than I thought it would be; I was going to put it into 6-disc amaray cases with custom art, but I may just leave it in the jewel boxes.
William
This is very important for me, so that we can all support LALALAND, in the wake of the announcement that FSM is closing it’s doors!?!?!?!
We have to support who is left, so that we can continue to get this great music!
Thanks all! William
What the…. THEY ACTUALLY FILMED PILOT FOR PHASE II?!?!?!? 😯
EDIT:
Never mind. Just read the comments. It’s actually from something unrelated to Star Trek.
HR Pufnstuf
This is a real shame–I’m hearing about it for the first time myself. I’m glad their online presence will continue, though.
Many Thanks, William
1. Alexander Courage – Main Title (soprano version) (1:05)
2. Gerald Fried – Ship/Capella IV (1:11)
3. Gerald Fried – Captain’s Log (2:08)
4. Gerald Fried – Klingon Ship/Music for Fruits/The Teer (1:27)
5. Gerald Fried – The Challenge/Klingon Blip (1:10)
6. Gerald Fried – Distress Signal (1:44)
7. Gerald Fried – Arm Barbeque/Slow Turn/Call of Duty (0:58)
8. Gerald Fried – Scott/Bones’ Good Idea/Capellan Desert (2:17)
9. Gerald Fried – Belly Feeler (2:14)
10. Gerald Fried – Sonic Ambush/Bouncing Boulder (1:03)
11. Gerald Fried – Kras on the Rocks/Paternity Case/New Capellan in Town (1:44)
12. Gerald Fried – Negative Report/Old Russian Saying/The Mother Splits (1:35)
13. Gerald Fried – The Baby Sitter/Road Hog (0:46)
14. Gerald Fried – Down the Throat (1:14)
15. Gerald Fried – Arrows (1:31)
16. Gerald Fried – Forfeit (1:33)
17. Gerald Fried – Coochy Coo/Godfathers (0:43)
18. Alexander Courage – End Title (soprano version) (0:46)
T???l???charger STTOS_SE2_D1_P2-FC.zip gratuitement – PackUpload (http://www.packupload.com/C6REEJYD3DC)
I have even removed the stuff that I had posted before, as it was now not needed, since the new stuff is so clean, and also that it violated LALALANDs copyright on this new release!
Many Thanks,
William
Nice sampling of bits from the ep
Do not get me wrong, music rights and royalties are an important part of the music business. But when we are talking about 45 year old music (which has been hoarded) that is pivotal to the lives of so many people, inspired by the brilliant music and stories that are Star Trek: The Original Series, you might as well try to contain the Mona Lisa from being disseminated! Or what about Mozart or Bach (on YouTube)??
No one is indicating that they would not purchase this 15-disc collection IF they had the money. And, in fact, it is fair to say that anyone truly interested in owning the full 15-disc Collectors Box set WILL purchase it . . . even if the entire set is available online. That is true of any product, where the original issue is valued. But it is also fair to point out that NO one (1) man or Corporation owns Star Trek, in spite of international copyright law, that says to the contrary. We ALL own Star Trek!!!
And Gene Roddenberry would be the first to point out how NONE of the original actors, crew, composers, nor musicians EVER made any real money over this GREAT music, even after the 6000 copies have sold out. Please remember how many times you’ve heard all (or some) of this music, in your head, at one time or another!
And here is a legitimate sample, from La-La Land Records:
I can hear justification for piracy too. 🙂 LLL did a shitload of work putting this together. They deserve to be paid for it.
Well look. IF I were to post the mp3 320 set I have, I would make a new thread, and not post here. I am not refraining because of the "agreement" made here, or any respect for LLL. I simply do not feel like making 30 links for the set. Upping them and posting will take a while. And we ALL know the links will be reported and deleted before I am even finished. I do not intend to dedicate myself to keeping a revolving set of links active. Much the same reason I have not, and for now will not, share via pm. It is just too big a set for me to deal with right now. I am still busy cleaning up the tagging and such anyway.
But considering the views expressed here, and not naming names, we all know some will go out of their way to report links. So, it kinda feels like there is no point at the moment. That, and folks who share with me don’t want it posted, so if I do, I will not get stuff from them….soooo…
And if someone does post it (hopefully many months from now), this is exactly how it should be done. This is William’s thread after all.
The sense of law is to civilize people where they would otherwise behave to the disadvantage of others. And like everything else law has been perverted to undermine those efforts. That makes it a bad basis for a discussion like this.
No, we are talking emotions here, purely. Some folks spent hours and hours bringing this music to us, some of it organizing, some of it business, some of it monetary and some of it editing "sweat". They could have put their effort into an undertaking that might have made them the same amount of money (like putting some CGI crap into a Star Wars movie for an excuse to again screen it in the cinemas), but they didn’t. They choose something they love, giving it their love. They deserve recognition like any skillfull people do. Recognition and respect and a slap on the back "well done".
Making it "limited" now thats a proven marketing method i hate. We are in the age of cloud computing and downloading songs individually. They might as well have make all of us subscribe to purchasing their music track by track for a very low individual fee. On the other hand, again the emotional side, they are putting something out monolithic and when was the last time you saw something like that from the music industry. The content being a monolith, no the marketing. It’s so old time, it’s admirable. The future of any media production is legal file sharing per buck. Its the method of distribution in the 21st century surpassing the material world almost alltogether. The work behind it, the creative effort will always stay the same: Human endeavors. Distribution, CDs, DVDs, BluRays, Celluloid, that was yesterday. And there is only money in it because they scare people and making them feel bad getting it otherwise. But it is the industries that ultimately will have to adapt. Imagine that Intrada was Megaupload. Completely disenchanted from the content they provide. Just service to get any kind of data. Now imagine that legally. All Soundtrack labels pulling together and becoming a subscription based megaupload for the masses. This is were the money is: In the penny and the cent you get from the masses. The recognition whe attach to an individual product of those who only co- or post-produce will dwindle most likely. And that’s exactly the reason why we need to stay concious about it and honor, respect and recognize the people who are behind it all. Most of them are invisible to us anyways. But we must remember them.
"I’m sure the set will be around for a while–$220 is a lot of money, but it’s not a bad deal (when we announced the set, people were guessing the price would be between $300-$500).
This is the only chance to get ALL the music put together like this. GNP/Crescendo Records still holds the rights to all the scores they put out previously (the two pilots, Doomsday Machine/Amok Time, Naked Time/Shore Leave, Tribbles, Balance of Terror and What Are Little Girls Made of?), so even if LLL wanted to do another release or break the set up into individual CDs, they could not put out those scores. The set has sold very well but they did a fairly large pressing for this kind of release so I would think sets would still be available by spring or possibly next summer."
Nor can I. I live in a country where crime rates are insane and economy is practically in ruins. Even if I could somehow gather the money for the set, I’d also need lots of money for customs taxes. I’d probably end up paying 400$ in total if not even more.
We just have to wait so they won’t be able to go "OH, THAT EEEEEVIL PIIIIIRAAAAACY IS KILLIN’ UUUSSSS!!!".
Anytime I have ever wanted an item, and asked, there have been numerous, numerous people more than happy to track it down, no questions or strings attached. I am so very grateful for that. But then here is a desire, from most of those same kind members, for an item I have. All packed and mostly linked. But I am not posting it. And I dunno why. I dunno why I shouldn’t. I mean putting all aspects of the legality/respect for LLL and such aside. I am not holding back because of any of those. This is an amazing set, even at 320. I **want** it shared. I could care less if it is by me or someone else. But not letting folks have the thing they want when I have it is sitting very wrong with me. I am asking my friends their thoughts, and if 320 could be considered a acceptable compromise? The share via pm thing will take too much time, that i do not want to deal with. So I am asking your thoughts. I asked some mods their thoughts (Because they are wise and respected friends. I hope to make a decision by tonight, unless soneone esle wants to step up and do it…
This is the reason that I share what I have, because so many don’t have what I have, and "getting it out there" is paramount in my mind (see the clever way I inserted the name of the studio?) hehehehe
That being said, I just wanted to add that this is the HOLY GRAIL of TREK music, and as such, it is important for us to support the company that finally got the balls to bring them all out to the Trek fans worldwide! This was the line that Neil plied me with, when he wanted to bring out the first album, and the SFX, but he was just interested in how much money he made!
I was thinking the other night about a story from old Europe. It seems that there was a dragon that had a ton of gold coins hidden in a cave, and she coveted the gold SO much, without any good reason. She went out and killed humans to get more and more, until the cave was overflowing with coins. She was very happy and content, until one day, a wizard, who had learned how to change lead into gold, totally blew her mind, seeing that her large supply of gold was now meaningless!
I thought of that in the same vein as Neil, since he had hoarded those TOS tapes for over 20 years, and now they are inferior to the new masters that LALALAND has brought out. I also think that whatever their agreement with the studio is, it should override any former agreement that Neil had with the studio, since LALALAND is using the master source, and neil was using a copy of those.
Nuff said.
Williamt
William
it’s a great deal, i think. but it’s still well out of my budget. i have a 4 year old boy and a wife that only works part time. she even was willing to work extra this month to afford it for me, but i told her no, i didn’t want her to have to do that just to get something for my selfish ass.
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and that said, for the time being i am happy to just have it in mp3. if, down the road, i can afford it and there are still copies available, then i will most certainly get a set to display on my shelf, right next to my sisko in TOS gold shirt action figure :laugh:
also, if anyone IS worried about it selling out before they can afford it, i wouldn’t count out lalaland pressing more copies to meet demand. isn’t that what happened with the batman animated series album?
Anytime I have ever wanted an item, and asked, there have been numerous, numerous people more than happy to track it down, no questions or strings attached. I am so very grateful for that. But then here is a desire, from most of those same kind members, for an item I have. All packed and mostly linked. But I am not posting it. And I dunno why. I dunno why I shouldn’t. I mean putting all aspects of the legality/respect for LLL and such aside. I am not holding back because of any of those. This is an amazing set, even at 320. I **want** it shared. I could care less if it is by me or someone else. But not letting folks have the thing they want when I have it is sitting very wrong with me. I am asking my friends their thoughts, and if 320 could be considered a acceptable compromise? The share via pm thing will take too much time, that i do not want to deal with. So I am asking your thoughts. I asked some mods their thoughts (Because they are wise and respected friends. I hope to make a decision by tonight, unless soneone esle wants to step up and do it…
Why not share at a lower bitrate? That way those who want the best quality have to purchase the set, and those who want to hear (perhaps prior to purchasing) or who would like the set but would never purchase get "a version" but not the "best version". Gotta be frank, the set is mainly in mono so 320 doesn’t make that much difference!
Because I converted the original flac to 320. I don’t want to convert that down further. I am just feeling the waters, looking to see what I want to do.
It would make no sense to have duplicate tracks and cues, and just think how large the set would have been, if they did. Also, think of the FUN it will be, IF you were to take the cues, and piece them together. I need some aspirin just thinking of it.
I fully understand that it’s a limited release. I fully understand the reasons why it’s so damn expensive. What I don’t understand is why everyone here seems hesitant or even outright opposed to the idea of sharing this music with their fellow Star Trek and music fans.
Why is it apparently OK to share the score for The Hobbit but not ST:TOS?
I fully understand that it’s a limited release. I fully understand the reasons why it’s so damn expensive. What I don’t understand is why everyone here seems hesitant or even outright opposed to the idea of sharing this music with their fellow Star Trek and music fans.
Why is it apparently OK to share the score for The Hobbit but not ST:TOS?
Because there are people who can afford it but will opt for the free option and because of such people they will actually lose money.
Lalaland needs support in any way possible. They’re willing to release (complete) soundtracks that no one else wanted to release AND in best possible quality, the way it was as you heard it on the big screen or on your TV screen. That deserves both support and respect.
I hope this community shows some humanity for once
There’s no need to dramatize like that.
And not being able to afford something doesn’t mean you barely have enough for a freaking loaf a bread! If you can spend money on various things without giving it a second thought, good for you.
/ Thanks for what? No one is posting it openly, and you need at least 5 posts if anyone is to pm you.
I’m torn on the issue. I’d love to have the set and I can’t afford it right now but, (I’m new and don’t know the details) I know there was a big fuss over the Next Gen set being shared so soon after release that caused FSM releases to get blacklisted. I just don’t want to see the same happen to LLL releases.
Hopefully, I’ve not offended anyone with these comments as it is most certainly not my intent. I simply am curious as to people’s opinions on this subject and why they seem so adamant not to share this, but will happily share anything else.
My other, probably much more practical reason for never sharing this is the time that it takes. I’ve had this for 14 hours and am only now ripping the 6th Disc, I have had to tag all but one and as they are all around 30 tracks each that takes time. Elderly fingers etc. There may bae a magic site that does this for me but if there is I don’t know about it. Anyway, the time that it would take me to load 15 CD’s to a file sharing site would be a lot. I uploaded some soundtracks recently and that took me about 4 hours to upload. So 15 Discs – I don’t really have the time. On a personal level I find that in many cases the people that are requesting discs and soundtracks possibly haven’t shared anything themselves – and I only mention that because if that is the case then they might not know how much hassle it can be. On another personal note my recent nthread has attracted loads of visitors and many, many downloads and the thread had a few responses that were basically asking me to load to another site because the one that I chose didn’t suit them, or whining because they had to wait for a slot and do on and so forth. I don’t want / expect / need everyone to say thanks – I don’t thank every person that I download from but I personally won’t be putting the work and time into uploading 15 discs so that people can ask for Flac, reuploads to a different site and so on and so forth.
By the time that I am comfortable in uploading it someone else will have – but those are my reasons for what they are worth.
Without trying to rub it in – the set so far is really good and has served in reigniting my slightly tarnished love of Star Trek – just hearing some of the themes and music has been a joy. The music will be there and will come to those who want it at some point so for those who can’t or won’t buy it I would say that the wait is worth it.
I am not trying to start a war about users and their own particular ways of working on the forum – and I am not signalling anyone out in particular – just giving my reasons.
I so agree with you on this – too many silent grabbers on here with no concept that sharing is a two-way process!
Free the music, share the moment
Please realize that this is really important and bear with us, please!
William
Free the music, share the moment
Thank you for sharing so generously over the years as well.
It’s people like you that make this such a great site.
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I have this – I got it today which surprised me because I’m in the UK. I won’t share it because my own ‘morals’ such as they are really make me feel uncomfortable sharing something that is limited until the run is gone, it might not make any sense but that’s it for me. I have downloaded limited releases but usually to see if I will buy it and if I like it I will if I don’t then I delete it from my hard drive. This is such a big release – I guess if the this had been a staggered set of 2 or 3 CD sets then it would be shared but this probably represents a big gamble on La-La Land’s part and in my opinion if it ‘fails’ then it stops them taking that risk again with other shows or projects.
My other, probably much more practical reason for never sharing this is the time that it takes. I’ve had this for 14 hours and am only now ripping the 6th Disc, I have had to tag all but one and as they are all around 30 tracks each that takes time. Elderly fingers etc. There may bae a magic site that does this for me but if there is I don’t know about it. Anyway, the time that it would take me to load 15 CD’s to a file sharing site would be a lot. I uploaded some soundtracks recently and that took me about 4 hours to upload. So 15 Discs – I don’t really have the time. On a personal level I find that in many cases the people that are requesting discs and soundtracks possibly haven’t shared anything themselves – and I only mention that because if that is the case then they might not know how much hassle it can be. On another personal note my recent nthread has attracted loads of visitors and many, many downloads and the thread had a few responses that were basically asking me to load to another site because the one that I chose didn’t suit them, or whining because they had to wait for a slot and do on and so forth. I don’t want / expect / need everyone to say thanks – I don’t thank every person that I download from but I personally won’t be putting the work and time into uploading 15 discs so that people can ask for Flac, reuploads to a different site and so on and so forth.
By the time that I am comfortable in uploading it someone else will have – but those are my reasons for what they are worth.
Without trying to rub it in – the set so far is really good and has served in reigniting my slightly tarnished love of Star Trek – just hearing some of the themes and music has been a joy. The music will be there and will come to those who want it at some point so for those who can’t or won’t buy it I would say that the wait is worth it.
I am not trying to start a war about users and their own particular ways of working on the forum – and I am not signalling anyone out in particular – just giving my reasons.
It took me two hours to upload all 15 at a 320 bit rate to a multi host site. Just saying. The thing is keeping those links alive, and no one wants to dedicate the next four months to re-upping every day.
I am sure that other peoples upload times is different, my laptop is old and as I said my internet access is not that great at times – so I was just talking from my own experience in uploading the Merlin 3 and 4 that I did a week or so ago.
what do you guys think about this kit of the u.s.s. enterprise?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhSe_N_3UTM
its good, i think.
Yes, I’m with you there all the way.
William
what do you guys think about this kit of the u.s.s. enterprise?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhSe_N_3UTM
its good, i think.
It appears to be okay, a little small for my tastes but if you don’t have a lot of room then it will work. Personally I prefer a 11 footer studio grade model…but each to there own.
Scott
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It could be much bigger, like 11 foot!!! Hehehehehee 🙂
William
I’m with you there 100 percent William 🙂
Scott
what do you guys think about this kit of the u.s.s. enterprise?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhSe_N_3UTM
its good, i think.
I’ve got the kit and it’s the best issue bar the polo lights 1/350.. to do it justice you can get laser etched parts and of course some lights! Unless you plan to do the USS Constellation 🙂
What’s left for them to do? The cast’s heads in jars?
There’s always bobblehead’s 😉 or has that been done yet?
Scott
Links appear to be good. Hurry.
For two, I gave links to the set in 320 to about 20 people, asked that those links please be kept private so they would survive longer. I have more than 70 hits PER LINK PER DISC in the set. So obviously, that is a done deal. PM system set to friends and admin only, no new contacts added. Happy Holidays me. I did not ask for anything in return, I gave freely, and only asked that new links be made were sharing to occrr. Silly me. 🙁
Amanda, you are not silly, just kindhearted. Some take advantage of that. You need to find them and treat them like a http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/redshirt.gif…..http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/evillaugh.gif
I’ll tell you a story:
Back in the late 70’s, early 80’s, I went to a "Trek" convention here in LA, and met the young "Rod" Roddenberry, who was about 10 or 11, at that time. I had heard a story about how the original 3 foot Enterprise had been taken in a pool and destroyed, and the studio covered it up stating that some fans came into the offices at lunchtime, and took the 3 foot model out of Gene’s office, and it has never been seen to this day! As I had posted on the other TREK thread, I had personally asked young Rod at that time, and he looked all guilty and told me that he had done that. However, the adult Rod totally denies this had ever happened. I spoke with a fellow named Kevin, who was living in Gene’s poolhouse, and giving Majel every "exclusive" (if you know what I mean) and he verified that both the 3 foot Enterprise and the original Nomad model where stored in the garage. He described the model as being totally ruined, with the saucer splitting open from water damage, etc. Yet, Richard Arnold has told many people, in interviews (when he was not talking about how TREK was really about "Gay Rights") that the model was stolen by fans, dressed as telephone repairmen!!
Amazing back and forth BS!!!
In conclusion, let me tell you that I cannot believe that a private collector would have a massive vault in his house, with climate control and the lot!
I do not believe that two or three fanatic TREK fans could dress up as telephone repairmen, walk into the studio without any paperwork, and just go walking out the side gate with a three foot model of the Enterprise!!!
Just amazing! 🙂
William
Make a proper bluray release OOOOOOOOR a new Remastered version with CGI effects that actually look good. 🙂
If I am not mistaken on the "Inside Star Trek Record" a fan asked Gene Roddenberry "why are there no gays in Star Trek" Gene’s response was simple "Mankind Grew Up" so Star Trek had nothing to do with gay rights, as a matter of fact Gene did not agree with being gay…now that I have opened a can of Regulan bloodworm’s, let the blood flow….(my purpose is not to hurt anyone but state the truth)
Scott
Scott
I will tell you another little story later, about a friend of mine, who was babysitting Gene’s dogs, while they were on vacation!
William
William
I’m from Europe and really can’t afford to buy it from web like normally people will do, due to all the additional freight and customs taxes on top of the 220 dollars which was the approximate price of the boxset… If anyone could help me regarding this thing, please send me a message via PM or here…
Thanks in advance…
If I am not mistaken on the "Inside Star Trek Record" a fan asked Gene Roddenberry "why are there no gays in Star Trek" Gene’s response was simple "Mankind Grew Up" so Star Trek had nothing to do with gay rights, as a matter of fact Gene did not agree with being gay…now that I have opened a can of Regulan bloodworm’s, let the blood flow….(my purpose is not to hurt anyone but state the truth)
Scott
Scott
There’s no apostrophe in words that are plural – i.e. seventies, studios, bloodworms and the like. Also, please learn the difference between there, their and they’re. This stuff is all basic and there’s really no excuse for not knowing or using it.
Is this a grammar class now?
Please Professor English continue with your lecture.
William, I was mostly kidding about merging. Apparently I need to have a disclaimer before making jokes now. But, if you really DO want to, only a moderator can do that. I’d suggest one, but my legal team tells me I am broaching some sort of metaphysical butthutness by doing so.
If any I gave the set to need a link that does not work, then pm me with the exact season and disc, and i will get it to you.
Since no excuse will suffice, nor an apology excepted, I shell offer neither Sir…good day to you.
Scott
I love the blu-rays they released. I can’t imagine them doing a better job. I find it ironic that someone who loves TOS would complain about effects looking bad.
Secondly, Scotty, I don’t have any clams, I really HATE clams, and don’t like to eat them as they are all slimy and stinky when they slide down your throat! (YUK!!!)
Third, thank you very much Amanda, I didn’t know it was a joke, since there was no "LOL" or 🙂 or "Hehehehehe" after your joke, so sorry, I will kindly ask Jessie if he can do us a favor! 🙂
Lastly, PLEASE let’s all be nice on the last day of creation, please? Since the world, and the whole Milky Way will be potted straight into an intergalactic black hole, in a universal game of pool at 8:13PM EST, (and thanks to Douglas Adams for the headsup on that one, 🙂 ) Lets all walk into the life hereafter with a smile on our faces, knowing that we met oblivion after hearing all of the TOS music!
William
Some shots, perhaps. But most don’t look right. 🙁
I love the blu-rays they released. I can’t imagine them doing a better job. I find it ironic that someone who loves TOS would complain about effects looking bad.
They could as the current TOS Bluray is just an upscalled DVD.
Well does it make sense to replace low budget old school effects with low budget CGI effects? Only planets ended up looking decent. Everything else… yuck!
Case in point:
-Original:
-Remastered:
(Note that they even botched the scale – use the spacing between the walls and the marker as reference. Also note the GIANT crew members in the control booth!)
Even fans are able to make better CGI. With 0 budget, I might add.
Remastered:
Fanmade:
As you can tell, the Remastered version has this odd plastic look to it.
Though I’d always prefer if they just build actual models like it was done for Trials and Tribble-Ations:
-DS9
-Remastered:
-DS9:
-Remastered:
I simply can’t be satisfied unless the improvement is an actual improvement.
William
Oh crap, didn’t know that! Holy shit [if you excuse the cursing, my dear friend!]!!! I’m sitting here, on my little, quiet planet Gothos, playing some nice tunes on my harpsicord, and I’m totally oblivious to this being the final day of this part of the universe. I think I may have overlooked those Maya culture when studying Earth – my bad! Okay, so then let’s face the unknown, let’s march to the tunes of victory and cameraderie!
(Now I’ve to hurry to be able to go through that amazing set of TOS music, before our destiny is meeting with us!)
The Squire of Gothos, at your service! 🙂
I will tell you another little story later, about a friend of mine, who was babysitting Gene’s dogs, while they were on vacation!
William
Oh, let’s hear the story about Gene’s dog babysitter. I love your TOS stories, William. And BTW, I tend to agree with the comments here about the TOS remastered CGI FX. Too much of it looks "cartooney," rather than realistic CGI. Some of it is beautiful, no question, but some is krap.
HR Pufnstuf
The people in the hangar deck behind the windows are also too big..
:-((
OKAY…. The story of Gene’s dogs!!!
One cold December month, back in the day when Gene was still around, and overseeing all the TREK productions, the family decided to go off to Europe on a three week vacation, while the productions were closed down for the season. Gene, Gene junior, Majel and her assistant Rena, Gene’s assistants Susan Suck…er….Sackett, and Richard Arnold (speaking of suck!!!) and Gene’s house guest Kevin Smith (No, not THAT Kevin Smith) were all included in this mass vacation. My friend Edward, who worked with Majel at "Lincoln Enterprises" was left behind to take care of business. He was given the keys to the house in Bel Aire, which used to belong to Clark Gable, to take care of the three dogs they owned (I think it was three, could have been four, doesn’t matter). Gene had given him run of the house for three whole weeks, with cable, big screen TV, swimming pool, etc. totally at his whim! Now, I knew that Gene had a very impressive library of all things TREK in his house, and he had collected, back in the TOS era, every episode script, with all the production notes, any little piece of mail from anyone involved in the production of the episode, such as an outside consultant, etc. These were all put together in a three ring OVERSIZED binder. All the scripts had Gene’s original handwritten notes in the scripts, as well as other important production notes.
So, he’s living in their house, eating their food, floating in their pool, crapping in their toliets, bathing in their bathtub, FOR THREE WEEKS!!!!
He tells me this on January 11, when he called me up to tell me what was going on, and how was my Christmas!!!
I told him that I could have, in about a week and a half, copied ALL of those scripts, and all of the notes, everything. Did he realize how important that would have been to ME??? But NO, he didn’t even bother to think about that! He was having too much of a good time! I told him, at the VERY least, he could have invited me ONE DAY to have a good time with him, at their house!!! He said that he just couldn’t have done that, it would not have been proper!!! I felt like Harrison Ford when I said "PROPER???" OH MY GOD!!!! With friends like that, what can you do? At the very least, I could have checked out and photographed the damage to the 3 footer, and checked out Nomad as well! But that would not have been "Proper"!!! GGGGGEEEEEEZZZZZ!!!
But I figured that someday, I would eventually get access to those production notes and even get digital copies of those TOS scripts, but I’m still waiting!!!!
William
Secondly, Scotty, I don’t have any clams, I really HATE clams, and don’t like to eat them as they are all slimy and stinky when they slide down your throat! (YUK!!!)
Third, thank you very much Amanda, I didn’t know it was a joke, since there was no "LOL" or 🙂 or "Hehehehehe" after your joke, so sorry, I will kindly ask Jessie if he can do us a favor! 🙂
Lastly, PLEASE let’s all be nice on the last day of creation, please? Since the world, and the whole Milky Way will be potted straight into an intergalactic black hole, in a universal game of pool at 8:13PM EST, (and thanks to Douglas Adams for the headsup on that one, 🙂 ) Lets all walk into the life hereafter with a smile on our faces, knowing that we met oblivion after hearing all of the TOS music!
William
My Bad!! lol I do indeed dislike getting older. I hate clams too! but I do like clam chowder! and I should claim my mistakes 🙂 I see the Mayans got it wrong once again! to bad they could not predict their own demise. To bad we could not hear the TOS music playing as we walk into oblivion! that would be a great way to wink out!
Scott
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One problem to me on the CGI Remastered 1701, is the Aztec pattern added to her. On the refit, OK, On the TOS, TACKY! For some reason they think upgrading the look of the TOS 1701 looks better. As pointed out by ComicJoe and his photo comparison THE experts don’t understand the look, like the fans do. The reason, fans LOVE TOS, experts are for the money. I don’t own the remastered, just the original, and IF I do buy them, it will be for the novelty of it, not because it is better. By the way, I don’t have Blu-Ray, and what I have seen of the 1701 in TOS, it smoothed out the graininess and it looks splotchy.I will take each grain with love any day!
I can’t agree with you more AZSneed! their upgrades suck! I’ll stick with my old VHS tapes of TOS until I can’t play them any more. You hit the nail on the head, it all comes down to love! CBS did it for the love of money and look what we got! CGI that looks like a 20 something did it….good grief!! if CBS really wanted to do it with love and justice they should have farmed it out to ILM or some other CGI company that had the love for TOS as we do and do the damn thing right.
Scott
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Oh, and I have found the 15 CD set in MP3 form out on the web. Fun stuff! Wish I had the $$$ for the box set.
On another note, I wanted to put it to all of you:
To merge or not to merge?
If the two TREK threads are merged, which CAN be done, they would be organized by the date the posts were made, and Jessie thinks that it may create a mess, but it is
do-able.
I just wanted to know what you all thought about it.
Let me know.
William
Because it’s better than anything SF that has been aired on TV since then, save for very few exceptions (Babylon 5, ST next gen and Firefly. can’t think of any else).
As far as merge /not merge…I’d rather keep this one separate. I like talking TOS-trek. I don’t care about the others really, and I hate the new movies.
? Where? I don’t see any sign of it. Did they post the art?
On another note, I wanted to put it to all of you:
To merge or not to merge?
If the two TREK threads are merged, which CAN be done, they would be organized by the date the posts were made, and Jessie thinks that it may create a mess, but it is
do-able.
I just wanted to know what you all thought about it.
Let me know.
William
No merge. Mergers are so messy, and not always to big to fail, new CEO, and layoffs, just messy.
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This TV show was cancelled well over 40 years ago, right? Why all the fuss???
You must be too young to understand.
Wrong, the last ST incarnation was back in 2009, the new movie.
Star Trek is a franchise with 12 films (currently in development), and 4 series. Enterprise went off the air 7 years ago.
Doctor Who. Which predates the Original Trek by a few years. Granted, the budgets were crap, and the pacing was off, but I feel **ducks** the imaginitive stories of Who easily equal, or top, Trek. Granted all series have some clunkers..**cough** Spock’s Brain ** cough **
The thread was taken down almost immediately, but yes, all the booklets and artwork were included at 600 dpi.
Damm, i missed this
I so much wanted to read the booklet notes and just get a general of what the set is like
Doctor who? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/017.gif Spock’s Brain is my favorite episode! A clunker!?http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/cry-1.gif
Star Trek is a franchise with 12 films (currently in development), and 4 series. Enterprise went off the air 7 years ago.
4 series?
Star Trek (1966-69)
Star Trek (1973-74, Animated)
Star Trek: The Next Generation (1987-94)
Star Trek: Deep Space Nine (1993-99)
Star Trek: Voyager (1995-2001)
Star Trek: Enterprise (2001-2005)
I count six. 😀
The thread was taken down almost immediately, but yes, all the booklets and artwork were included at 600 dpi.
That said, the official cgi does have the aztec pattern which I hate. And, the impulse engines now glow read. **groan** But I know this is an attempt to bring TOS in line with the rest of the fx done. As it stands, TOS is the only series with it’s look. When they did TMP, and the refit, all ships in the movies carried the same colors and look. DS9, TNG, and Voyager followed suit. It was logical progression and I am fine with it. When they did Enterprise, it should have been a bit back in tech from TOS. But they did not go that direction. The Enterprise, the nx, follows the same design pattern and style as later ships, leaving the original to stick out in a ridiculous way. It is like Kirk’s tech was decades behind Archer’s which makes no sense. The new look in the remastered sets was an attempt to fix that.
The DS9 episode’s 1701 looks very good indeed, but alas also is not accurate to the original. Mainly when it comes to the deflector grid panels on the upper primary hull. The new model shows them well marked, but the original did not. It appears that at best they were lightly drawn in with pencil or something. The"restoration" crapped all over that and other color detail.
There is one other cgi Enterprise to consider also, and that is the Defiant in In A Mirror Darkly. I remember it as looking good, but have no pics off hand. It did break canon to give the ship aft phasers and torpedoes though….
Also the lighting in the fan cgi is too bright. There are no light sources for that even a look. The reason for the "plastic" look on theofficial ones is that they were trying to represent the lack of lighting. The original was not self lit like later ones. They are trying to show that. Especially by the engines, and phaser beams etc
I wanted to ask someone a small favor, if you please. I’ve been trying to download this YOUTUBE video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbNXb2Di7ZM
It’s really neat TOS stuff, runs about 9 plus minutes, but I cannot get any program to download THAT one, I can download all the others, but just not that one. Can anyone help me?
Here’s a link for Steve Neil’s CGI bridge set:
BRIDGETEST.wmv – YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaVPbCG9Myg)
William
That said, the official cgi does have the aztec pattern which I hate. And, the impulse engines now glow read. **groan** But I know this is an attempt to bring TOS in line with the rest of the fx done. As it stands, TOS is the only series with it’s look. When they did TMP, and the refit, all ships in the movies carried the same colors and look. DS9, TNG, and Voyager followed suit. It was logical progression and I am fine with it. When they did Enterprise, it should have been a bit back in tech from TOS. But they did not go that direction. The Enterprise, the nx, follows the same design pattern and style as later ships, leaving the original to stick out in a ridiculous way. It is like Kirk’s tech was decades behind Archer’s which makes no sense. The new look in the remastered sets was an attempt to fix that.
The DS9 episode’s 1701 looks very good indeed, but alas also is not accurate to the original. Mainly when it comes to the deflector grid panels on the upper primary hull. The new model shows them well marked, but the original did not. It appears that at best they were lightly drawn in with pencil or something. The"restoration" crapped all over that and other color detail.
There is one other cgi Enterprise to consider also, and that is the Defiant in In A Mirror Darkly. I remember it as looking good, but have no pics off hand. It did break canon to give the ship aft phasers and torpedoes though….
Also the lighting in the fan cgi is too bright. There are no light sources for that even a look. The reason for the "plastic" look on theofficial ones is that they were trying to represent the lack of lighting. The original was not self lit like later ones. They are trying to show that. Especially by the engines, and phaser beams etc
It’s just an example of better rendering, not better modeling.
I wanted to ask someone a small favor, if you please. I’ve been trying to download this YOUTUBE video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbNXb2Di7ZM
It’s really neat TOS stuff, runs about 9 plus minutes, but I cannot get any program to download THAT one, I can download all the others, but just not that one. Can anyone help me?
William
Download works with the FlashGot Plugin for Firefox. 🙂
I’m pretty sure that it was stated that they simply upscaled DVD masters.
I always forget that poor Doctor, for some reason…:ashine:
there have been some other good series, but none to the extent of Who, Trek or B5.
Enterprise may have been *set* before TOS, but it was *made* forty years after it… those are the facts of the real world in which we live contrasted with the fictional world of the show. One simply must bear these things in mind… Sci-fi by its very nature requires extraordinary suspension of disbelief on the part of the viewer. The shows are a product of the era in which they were produced.
Well, if you want to get really Treknical, the original Enterprise DID have aft phasers. We never saw them fired, but one of the background voices on the bridge, heard during the intercom traffic, mentions "aft phasers." Torpedoes are another story, they never mentioned those until Khan fired one from the Reliant in TWOK.
So, they only half broke canon. 😉
Yes, but it will only allow you to download the original FLV, not as an MP4 or whatever. My Pinnacle video program will not allow me to use different video formats. I cannot intergrate MP4 with AVI or FLV at all!
I took the TOS DVDs and, using Pinnacle, clipped out sections of the Enterprise sets that had no people on them, video footage, and looped the 1 or 2 seconds, fading in and out, to make a LONG video of different sets from TOS, and I wanted to use the beginning of that clip as an intro to my video! It’s really a very interesting video, and I worked long and hard on it, while I was "Between gigs" as it were, and I was really proud of the result! I want to upload it and share with everyone here.
As to which has effected the world more?? Beatles, to be sure. Star Trek was really up there, but NOTHING beats out the Beatles!!! The greatest band in the history of Rock N Roll, (Source: Rolling Stone)!!
William
Star Trek is a franchise with 12 films (currently in development), and 4 series. Enterprise went off the air 7 years ago.
Of course, joshyr meant the original series.
GO4UP : Upload everywhere ! (http://go4up.com/dl/1n2WD8Ov16g3)
The original (360p?) file is in FLV, the 720p version is in mp4. You must switch to 720p before downloading. 🙂
I took the TOS DVDs and, using Pinnacle, clipped out sections of the Enterprise sets that had no people on them, video footage, and looped the 1 or 2 seconds, fading in and out, to make a LONG video of different sets from TOS, and I wanted to use the beginning of that clip as an intro to my video! It’s really a very interesting video, and I worked long and hard on it, while I was "Between gigs" as it were, and I was really proud of the result! I want to upload it and share with everyone here.
As to which has effected the world more?? Beatles, to be sure. Star Trek was really up there, but NOTHING beats out the Beatles!!! The greatest band in the history of Rock N Roll, (Source: Rolling Stone)!!
William
I got the 720p mp4 downloaded with the "DownloadHelper" add-on for Firefox.
http://www.youtubedownloadersite.com/
But, all good things come to they who wait!
William
Tango, the thing about the original Enterprise was the sleekness of it. It looks as if it was just grown, no seams, no idea of how it was constructed. The actual filming model is quite beautiful, and there is a well established progression of starship design and look that is considered canon. Enterprise **should** have respected that, but did not. The Vulcan and Klingon designs were appropriate to the established designs of the period. Nothing of Federation ships ever seen on-screen or in other media looks like Enterprise. Also, the colors assigned to personal match Next Gen on, not TOS. Why? There all sorts of design choices that are just very anti-timeline. Not to mention the mutilation of well established history, but hey.
On another note, I wanted to put it to all of you:
To merge or not to merge?
If the two TREK threads are merged, which CAN be done, they would be organized by the date the posts were made, and Jessie thinks that it may create a mess, but it is
do-able.
I just wanted to know what you all thought about it.
Let me know.
William
That is the question!! Whether ’tis nobler in the mind to suffer The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,
And by opposing end them?
Keep it separate is my vote!
Scott
Indeed, TOS Enterprise (the model, not the CGI) is lovely – but it’s still very much a product of its age; and a lot of stuff in Star Trek is drenched in 1960s sensibilities. Enterprise – stinker though it is – is equally a product of the early twenty-first century and its designers were undoubtedly given a contradictory and arguably unachievable design brief; make something 100 years older than the USS Enterprise being mindful of the fact that just about every design decision made in TOS looks to modern eyes, dated. In other words, build an Enterprise that is the Wright Flyer to TOS’s Boeing 777… without coming up with something that looks utterly ludicrous to the 21st century eyes that would be watching it.
You just have to look at 1960s futuristic impressions of 21st Century life to see how comprehensively they didn’t have a clue – just as we have no clue what life will be like fifty years or a hundred years from now.
In other words, I think it’s more important that Enterprise Enterprise looks conceivably like a ship humans might build a hundred years from now (which, arguably, it does) and considerably less important that it looks visually less advanced than a 1960s impression of what the 2260s would look like.
🙂
Edit: Look at how the 1960s failed completely to anticipate even the 1980s… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itXyEx55OHQ
I took the TOS DVDs and, using Pinnacle, clipped out sections of the Enterprise sets that had no people on them, video footage, and looped the 1 or 2 seconds, fading in and out, to make a LONG video of different sets from TOS, and I wanted to use the beginning of that clip as an intro to my video! It’s really a very interesting video, and I worked long and hard on it, while I was "Between gigs" as it were, and I was really proud of the result! I want to upload it and share with everyone here.
As to which has effected the world more?? Beatles, to be sure. Star Trek was really up there, but NOTHING beats out the Beatles!!! The greatest band in the history of Rock N Roll, (Source: Rolling Stone)!!
William
William I use Freemake Video Downloader (Freemake | Best Freeware Alternatives To Paid Video Software (http://freemake.com)) and plugs into Firefox, IE or Chrome. You can download any video, in just about any formate you want…and it’s free.
Scott
Spacelift Transporting Trek into The 21st Century – YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdUJOL1Ummw) = Spacelift Transporting Trek into The 21st Century
An overview of the Remastering process, from telecine transfer to digital cleanup, coloring, re-recording of the theme song, and of course the new visual effects. Altogether pretty fascinating.
Tango, the thing about the original Enterprise was the sleekness of it. It looks as if it was just grown, no seams, no idea of how it was constructed. The actual filming model is quite beautiful, and there is a well established progression of starship design and look that is considered canon. Enterprise **should** have respected that, but did not. The Vulcan and Klingon designs were appropriate to the established designs of the period. Nothing of Federation ships ever seen on-screen or in other media looks like Enterprise. Also, the colors assigned to personal match Next Gen on, not TOS. Why? There all sorts of design choices that are just very anti-timeline. Not to mention the mutilation of well established history, but hey.
I just watched a bit of Broken Bow, and Archer was wearing command gold, with Tucker wearing red.
No. This is patently untrue. They’re clearly not upscaled. Upscaled is what the Simpsons sets did. Still an improvement, but obviously not HD. These are HD.
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I’ll now hunt down more. A word about the cgi stuff. Apparently, the first batch of remastered episodes featured a "first generation" ship, but it was not well accepted, so all later batches had a :generation two" ship. The pic that was posted showing the cgi ship firing phasers is actually not from the remastered episodes. It is part of a "linticular 3-D image" set….
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———- Post added at 04:35 PM ———- Previous post was at 03:48 PM ———-
Hi gang, I just like to state that having now listened to all of the TOS box set, great music far, far superior to TNG, Voyager and Enterprise ( in my opinion that is)
Didn’t they only use Jerry Goldmsmith’s Klingon theme in the first 2 – 3 seasons?
1.) The Corbomite Maneuver
2.) Mirror, Mirror
3.) The Doomsday Machine
4.) City On The Edge Of Forever
5.) The Trouble With Tribbles
6.) Where No Man Has Gone Before
7.) The Tholian Web
8.) What Are Little Girls Made Of?
9.) Day Of The Dove
10.) A Piece If The Action
Is Change To 720p On Youtube And IDM Will Let You Download It As MP4 720p
Scott
AND… From my family to all of yours:
MERRY CHRISTMAS, and a HAPPY HOLIDAY SEASON!
William
I guess the only way to find out is to start it and see what happens! I just can’t work on those small models anymore, to small for my eyes and don’t have the hand coordination either, probably why my eyes are bad….I built so many when I was younger. One of these days I’ll build a 11 foot TOS Enterprise, if my heart holds out! then I can die a happy man.
Marry Christmas To All and A Happy New Year!!
Scott
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That is the primary reason that those guys in the studios build such LARGE models. I went to "Image-G" one day, and there was one guy, putting some detail work on one of the models, and his hands were shaking so bad, I asked him why he was shaking so much, and he asked me "Well, don’t your hands shake when you are doing something really important?". I felt like saying "NO!!" but I kept my mouth shut (For a change) and walked away! 🙂
AND… From my family to all of yours:
MERRY CHRISTMAS, and a HAPPY HOLIDAY SEASON!
William
Yep and it shows on the screen (little or big) of the great work they used to do! now we are stuck with CGI because it is cheaper and faster. Sounds like the guy is in the wrong business! I worked with a few guys that reminded me of Don Knotts in the "The Shakiest Gun in the West" 🙂 they either got used to the pressure or quit…most quit….C’est le Vie!
LOL William, I would have said something and got barred from ever going back to Image-G again…
Scott
This had to be an NBC promo set sent to TV Stations and Media outlets only!! what a lucky find 🙂
Thank You joshyr!!
Scott
I’ll be! I did not notice until you pointed it out Amanda!! how funny lol
Scott
Scott
Beer basted Tribbles….MMMmmmm
Beer basted Tribbles….MMMmmmm
Don’t get to close them laddie!! they bread like no other 🙂
Scott
From Starship Exeter, The Tressaurian Intersection. FYI, the main theme is a variation of the track,Space Radio from Mudd’s Women.
TNG episode 15 – "That Jean-Luc Picard" – YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pf9oD_xl8mI)
TNG episode 18 – "the naQed now, part 2" – YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYHMi69-_A0)
The Next Generation episode 7 – "A fistful of Rikers" – YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCGtKrx1q5U)
TNG edit 27 – Data’s date – YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSoV91ofwHA)
TNG edit 33 – "apologies, mister Worf" – YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxopd_qSVKo)
🙂
Well, I hope everyone had a GREAT Christmas, as I did! I finally, after all these years, FINALLY got my wish come true, my dear sweet wonderful wife bought me a 1964 Aston Martin DB5 in MINT condition!!!
Naw, I’m just BSing you guys, Hehehehehe I WISH I could afford one of those! But I did have a nice Christmas, and thanks for all the good thoughts and well wishes, they were very nice, and I shared each and everyone of them with my family!
William
Well, folks, it had to happen sometime, but I got a note from Hotfile today, that I have been SUSPENDED!!!! Hehehehehehe:) Apparently our spy here didn’t like me placing the TOS box set over there, and got them to not only yank the files, but deleted ALL of my files! 🙁
Oh, well, I’ll have to make due with the other 20 accounts I have over there. But if they are going to start being picky about what files are placed over there, it’s just a matter of time before they are gone, out of business, because nobody I know wants to have to constantly reup their files!
William
Wasn’t that in the "Star Trek Compendium?" I used to have that one back in the 80s or so and I think that’s where I saw it, although I’d completely forgotten about it. Never saw the entire ad though, that was awesome, thanks for showing it!
Well, I hope everyone had a GREAT Christmas, as I did! I finally, after all these years, FINALLY got my wish come true, my dear sweet wonderful wife bought me a 1964 Aston Martin DB5 in MINT condition!!!
Naw, I’m just BSing you guys, Hehehehehe I WISH I could afford one of those! But I did have a nice Christmas, and thanks for all the good thoughts and well wishes, they were very nice, and I shared each and everyone of them with my family!
William
When I first read your message, I about fell over…that Martin DB5 was going for over half a million dollars!! then I thought does your wife have a sister! 😉 hehehehehe
Yes my Christmas was really good! a great time with my sons, brother and one of his daughters and of course Mommy Dearest 😉 (just a nick name I use for my mother)
Good to hear your Christmas was good to William! I’m glade they enjoyed the well wishes of your friends!
Scott
anyone has the complete coverart scans to this ST TOS-Box?
THX in advance!
Oh, well, I’ll have to make due with the other 20 accounts I have over there. But if they are going to start being picky about what files are placed over there, it’s just a matter of time before they are gone, out of business, because nobody I know wants to have to constantly reup their files!
William
Well, I’m not surprised about hotfile’s current handling of its customers. In a way, I can see why they are getting nervous right now, because they may very well having troubles of their own:
Hotfile As Bad As Megaupload, MPAA Tells Court | TorrentFreak (http://torrentfreak.com/hotfile-as-bad-megaupload-mpaa-tells-court-120307/)
and
MPAA: Hotfile is the Most Blatant ‘Pirate Site’ of All | TorrentFreak (http://torrentfreak.com/mpaa-hotfile-is-the-most-blatant-pirate-site-of-all-120908/)
Let’s hope they manage to stand up against this threat. My expectations, though, are minimal, at best…
So I gather you are speechless, joshyr? 🙂 About what?
You see, they really cannot enforce their copyright in many other nations, such as China, Russia and most of eurasia as well, so they have to beatup someone, so they just hammer out people at home! The thing that chaps my hide is that in the law, copyright is only good for 17 years, then it’s supposed to expire, but all of a sudden, you can RENEW a copyright, just like good old Star Trek, which Viacom corporation had declared back in the 90’s that the original series was STILL IN THE RED!!!! Yet they continue to renew the copyright everytime they get a chance! Amazing to do that with a series that was not financially viable, huh?
First, all of the LEOs (Law Enforcement officers) were busy at work for the insurance companies, making sure that everyone in America had a policy with one or another of the insurance companies, to drive a car, and good old ARNOLD wanted to try and extend that here in California to include medical insurance. So, if you got pulled over for a broken tail light, you would not only have show proof that you owned the car you were driving, you had to prove that you paid the proper tribute to the state every year to get a little sticker to prove that you were registered to operate that car on the city streets, you had to prove that you were paid up on your yearly tribute to the great insurance god of the universe, and you had to prove that if anything happened to you, you had full personal coverage in case you had to go to the hospital or doctor!!!
Now, folks, that’s ALOT of proving up to my way of thinking! I don’t know about you-all (I really like that phrase, heheheh) but I really dislike it when our government wants to start poking it’s nose into our personal business, and starts dictating what we HAVE to do!! Doesn’t that make it a dictatorship? 🙂
I would really like to have a business, where the local state, or federal government would tell you to throw TONS of money my way, just so you can carry a little card in your wallet to prove that you paid me the monthly or yearly tribute!!!
Officer: Sir (or Ma’am), can you show me proof of a current tribute to the William L. Taylor house of ill repute?"
You: Yes, Sir, Officer, here is the card right here in my wallet, I went last Saturday night, and gave $900.00 to a woman named "Candy" for the services, and she stamped my card right there!
Officer: Well, that’s great Sir, you are a good citizen of the state! (he smiles and walks away)
Hehehehehehe 🙂
Simply amazing!
William
This William Taylor fellow has attacked me and accused me of being someone else so I thought I would try to help out, but I guess there is no helping some people.
Twenty pages of nonsense on this thread, just thought there should be some music at the end of it. It’s okay for Wildwood Park to share every FSM CD ever made but we can’t mention another website on this site. Okay, got it.
Better to wait for William to post one of the two copies he has, see how that works for you.
Doesn’t matter to me. I have mine. Autographed too!
Wildwoodpark does not share FSM on the forum, he does so via pm, which is entirely qwithin the bounds of the site’s rules. I have no opinion on the William/Gwent/you thing.
The reason this thread was made was because the op thought we would put the links here. The fact that admin does not want us to post it renders the thread moot, which is why other conversations have sprung up in it’s place.
ANYONE wanting mp3 320 of this with art needs only pm me. THAT is simple enough.
The point was you are not supposed to share soundtracks produced by Kendall and Bond and it still happens. Why is this one so special?
Whatever, it’s all over the web now so who cares.
As far as the attack, I no longer take it seriously because apparently Taylor does this to other members too. Just found this out on a Titanic thread.
http://forums.ffshrine.org/f92/titanic-motion-picture-score-125031/2.html
So I get it. He’s nuts.
You see, they really cannot enforce their copyright in many other nations, such as China, Russia and most of eurasia as well, so they have to beatup someone, so they just hammer out people at home! The thing that chaps my hide is that in the law, copyright is only good for 17 years, then it’s supposed to expire, but all of a sudden, you can RENEW a copyright, just like good old Star Trek, which Viacom corporation had declared back in the 90’s that the original series was STILL IN THE RED!!!! Yet they continue to renew the copyright everytime they get a chance! Amazing to do that with a series that was not financially viable, huh?
First, all of the LEOs (Law Enforcement officers) were busy at work for the insurance companies, making sure that everyone in America had a policy with one or another of the insurance companies, to drive a car, and good old ARNOLD wanted to try and extend that here in California to include medical insurance. So, if you got pulled over for a broken tail light, you would not only have show proof that you owned the car you were driving, you had to prove that you paid the proper tribute to the state every year to get a little sticker to prove that you were registered to operate that car on the city streets, you had to prove that you were paid up on your yearly tribute to the great insurance god of the universe, and you had to prove that if anything happened to you, you had full personal coverage in case you had to go to the hospital or doctor!!!
Now, folks, that’s ALOT of proving up to my way of thinking! I don’t know about you-all (I really like that phrase, heheheh) but I really dislike it when our government wants to start poking it’s nose into our personal business, and starts dictating what we HAVE to do!! Doesn’t that make it a dictatorship? 🙂
I would really like to have a business, where the local state, or federal government would tell you to throw TONS of money my way, just so you can carry a little card in your wallet to prove that you paid me the monthly or yearly tribute!!!
Officer: Sir (or Ma’am), can you show me proof of a current tribute to the William L. Taylor house of ill repute?"
You: Yes, Sir, Officer, here is the card right here in my wallet, I went last Saturday night, and gave $900.00 to a woman named "Candy" for the services, and she stamped my card right there!
Officer: Well, that’s great Sir, you are a good citizen of the state! (he smiles and walks away)
Hehehehehehe 🙂
Simply amazing!
William
William, you are my hero!
Why don’t the cops just say, "Show me your papers." Every year more of our freedoms are stripped in the cause of protecting US, when it is about control and money. And for the record, I AM NOT A TAX PAYER! I have never paid taxes, they were always taken from me, usually under threats. Also, the TAXES are not ours, it is the Government to do what they want with it, we have no say. The Government and media say tax dollars are being wasted, just to get us mad and to get us to support THEIR agenda. So bend over and pretend to enjoy it, cause you ARE going to get it!
Now that I got that out of my system, I feel better.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/woohoo.gif
And I’m CRAZY???
Yearight! 🙂
Oh, Amanda, I am drinking….WATER (and lots of it, good for the body) and I am smoking, because I’m so ticked off at all this crap from the government that it has smoke pouring out of my EARS! Hehehehehehe
And, you mark my word, with this financial "Fiscal cliff" they keep talking about, it’s going to be the final straw straight into another depression! Only THIS time I hope they call it the BUSH depression, because daddy and sonny were the two responsible for it!
William
The reason they need more revenue is because they have a spending problem! they have promised the unions more and more benefits and higher retirement, now they can’t pay for it so they take it from us, until that is not enough! California alone is 617 BILLION in debt!! and growing…so they have to create new ways to tax us into oblivion. I am simple amassed at the stupidity of the people of this state, they voted to tax the rich, without even thinking several things (1) there are only so many rich people! (thats why they’re called 1-percenters or 2-percenters) (2) if they were taxed at 100 percent it would only be enough to run the state for only a few days (at most) (3) (this is funny as hell)- The rich are now leaving the state! oppp’s!! LOL
One thing Thu…Law Enforcement does not write the law, they just Enforce it! and I understand why a person has to show proof of auto insurance, to many illegal aliens on the road, plus some people can not afford insurance so they drive anyway, they have to live (child support, breaking the law,whatever) and get into accident’s which drives up the cost for insurance company’s…And No I do not work for an insurance company and never have.
I am no lawyer! I don’t know that much about copyright law, so I’ll defer to William since he works in a field that deals with it every day.
If it were not for my 85 year old mother I would have left this state years ago! and when she is gone, you can bet I’ll be living in another state.
Scott
The reason they need more revenue is because they have a spending problem! they have promised the unions more and more benefits and higher retirement, now they can’t pay for it so they take it from us, until that is not enough! California alone is 617 BILLION in debt!! and growing…so they have to create new ways to tax us into oblivion. I am simple amassed at the stupidity of the people of this state, they voted to tax the rich, without even thinking several things (1) there are only so many rich people! (thats why they’re called 1-percenters or 2-percenters) (2) if they were taxed at 100 percent it would only be enough to run the state for only a few days (at most) (3) (this is funny as hell)- The rich are now leaving the state! oppp’s!! LOL
One thing Thu…Law Enforcement does not write the law, they just Enforce it! and I understand why a person has to show proof of auto insurance, to many illegal aliens on the road, plus some people can not afford insurance so they drive anyway, they have to live (child support, breaking the law,whatever) and get into accident’s which drives up the cost for insurance company’s…And No I do not work for an insurance company and never have.
I am no lawyer! I don’t know that much about copyright law, so I’ll defer to William since he works in a field that deals with it every day.
If it were not for my 85 year old mother I would have left this state years ago! and when she is gone, you can bet I’ll be living in another state.
Scott
Hey scotty, think about it, if you hadn’t kicked us Brits out you could have been governed by Cameron as well and…………..hold on……….that would be worse for you…..Hmmmmmm I didn’t think out that argument too well 😉
Goverments are goverments. they always end up taxing you to oblivion for their mistakes. I’ve learnt a way of telling when a politician is lying, it’s easy, they are lying when their lips are moving.
And I’m CRAZY???
Yearight! 🙂
Oh, Amanda, I am drinking….WATER (and lots of it, good for the body) and I am smoking, because I’m so ticked off at all this crap from the government that it has smoke pouring out of my EARS! Hehehehehehe
And, you mark my word, with this financial "Fiscal cliff" they keep talking about, it’s going to be the final straw straight into another depression! Only THIS time I hope they call it the BUSH depression, because daddy and sonny were the two responsible for it!
William
Well we will have to agree to disagree here! Obama has spent more in 4 years then Bush Jr. did in 8 years! and what have we got to show for it? nothing but Trillions in debt! and Millions Unemployed! Nope Obama owns this whole mess!!
Scott
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Hey scotty, think about it, if you hadn’t kicked us Brits out you couls have been governed by Cameron as well and…………..hold on……….that would be worse for you…..Hmmmmmm I didn’t think out that argument too well 😉
Goverments are goverments. they always end up taxing you to oblivion for their mistakes. I’ve learnt a way of telling when a politician is lying, it’s easy, they are lying when their lips are moving.
Ain’t that the truth!!
Don’t misunderstand me, I have a great love for Great Britain! (my mothers side came from England) they have been our greatest Friend and Allies we have ever had…but please take Piers Morgan back!
Scott
Ain’t that the truth!!
Don’t misunderstand me, I have a great love for Great Britain! (my mothers side came from England) they have been our greatest Friend and Allies we have ever had…but please take Piers Morgan back!
Scott
Nope, you took him, he’s yours, and you can keep Ann Robinson as well, we don’t want them back ever ever ever. 🙂
Damn!! maybe Her Majesty will make an exception? nahhh I thought not…Right! we can always fire them back over the pond and you guys can use your Patriot Batteries to take them down!! a win, win situation for all…we get to test fire and you guys can test the intercept part…and we both end up feeding the fish!! 😉
Scott
Sorry about getting back on topic. OK, not that sorry.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/wave.gif
William
Well, folks, it had to happen sometime, but I got a note from Hotfile today, that I have been SUSPENDED!!!! Hehehehehehe:) Apparently our spy here didn’t like me placing the TOS box set over there, and got them to not only yank the files, but deleted ALL of my files! 🙁
Oh, well, I’ll have to make due with the other 20 accounts I have over there. But if they are going to start being picky about what files are placed over there, it’s just a matter of time before they are gone, out of business, because nobody I know wants to have to constantly reup their files!
William
Funny you should say that, considering my own "nom de guerre."
However, Sheriff Joe Arapajo or whatever his name is can be called a certified looney in my book…and I am a law enforcement officer in real life. Heh.
William has been a gentlemen and a scholar. I have seen this type of nonsense previously and it seems to be the work of one or two morons who are a couple of self-righteous pricks who are simply trying to stir things up and seek attention. Perhaps GWENT or whatever the hell his name is didn’t get enough attention from mommy and daddy, or he was dropped on his head as an infant. In any case, it is a load of crap and is not productive or of interest to anyone who is hear to actually learn anything and enjoy intelligent conversation.
Anyway, folks, there you go, just my impressions, but I’m not a fool, I can see this guy coming a mile away, and I’m 99% sure this is him again.
William
Anyway, folks, there you go, just my impressions, but I’m not a fool, I can see this guy coming a mile away, and I’m 99% sure this is him again.
William
I’ll throw my two cents in…I have known William for the last 2 years and not once has this man done anything wrong, said anything wrong or just been a jerk! He is a stand up guy! a Gentleman at all times and has done more for a lot of us then I can count. This is just plan Bullshit!!! In real life I am a retired (old fashion) Law Enforcement Officer (almost 20 years-medical retirement) (SheriffJoe, if you are indeed pc 832, then you would not have made a asinine statement like that about the Sheriff (aka the Boss)) I have dealt with the scum of humanity for years, seen enough to make a grown man puke and totally turn your back, walk away from all human contact. William (and I do know his real name and more…and NO!! you do not deserve to know squat!!) has been the most understanding, Generous Man I have known in a long time and none of you nay sayers are worthy enough to kiss his feet!! Personally if I had my way I’d give you old fashion butt kicking down the street…Go get a life and leave the rest of us alone.
Scott
Anyway, folks, there you go, just my impressions, but I’m not a fool, I can see this guy coming a mile away, and I’m 99% sure this is him again.
William
I agree with Scotty on this one. I may not have been here as long as scotty, but for what my opinion is worth, WilliamTaylor has been kind and generous to me. So why don’t "who ever you are" just lay off and vent your resentment elsewhere. This is a friendly thread where we enjoy a chat. That’s my two penneth.
gwent was banned from the forum a long time ago, and that’s the end of the story. Continue to talk over the same thing again is like beating the same dead horse.
If something is already done and over with it there is no point to still talking about it, unless of course you want to make company to this gwent person in the bansville area and see the whole thread closed.
I’ve done it before and will have no problem in doing it again.
If there is a member or more blackmailing you, then deal with it in private. Put it on ignore or whatever, but don’t attempt to stir up the pot in a thread that is not meant for that.
William
William
William their is no reason for you to apologizes! this guy (Gwent) is a putz!! Your Word is GOLD around here and if you say he is not gone…then he is not gone period. Do Not worry my Friend you have more people in your corner then you think. If you need anything…and I mean anything! then you give the word and we will man Battle Stations!! Most of us that have been here awhile know GWENT all to well! He just needs to go away and leave us the hell alone!
I heard someone say this a few times "You Have Been, And Always Shell Be My Friend" 🙂
"Warp Speed At Your Command Sir"
Scott
p.s. This is the most important thing about William….he is "Loyal" to his friends!! Wildwood, Soundtrakker, Pearlcorderman are all in the same league as William! I know these guys have my back and I have there’s.
I Love your GIF’s!!!! right to the point. Misteretc…Love your Pics they make my day a little brighter!! Thank You Both.
Scott
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William and I sometimes disagree…well crap…friends do that, not everyone is going to have the same likes all the time! it does not mean a thing, other then we respect each other enough to respect the other’s opinion on different things.
Scott
Friends are there through the good,the bad and as we gethttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/old.gif-er or they are not friends.
William
But William have you questioned yourself why is he doing this to you? Didn’t you realise yet that you are giving importance to a trifle, or in other words, that as long as you are giving food to a troll, he will never give up and go away? At this point it is you, in an inadvertently way, who are encouraging him to continue to do this, and not the other way around.
Look this is a thread to discuss the Original series, and not a place to reveal things that are sent in private messages between members. If someone is taunting you in private then you should resolve it with him in private, or put it on ignore, it’s simple.
In the place of you repeat yourself to the umpteenth time saying the same old things that everyone is tired to know about gwent or whatever you think it may be him, you could always send a message to the moderation staff instead. There are the forum admins and mods here to deal with these situations.
So since I don’t have the set, yet, I was wondering.
So since I don’t have the set, yet, I was wondering.
Here’s the link for the box itself together with a tracklisting:
LA LA LAND RECORDS, Star Trek: The Original Series (http://www.lalalandrecords.com/STTOS.html)
I am nearly through this batch of requests. I am going in the order received. If I have missed any art requests so far, please let me know. Thank you for all the kind words. I did not respond to many. I have not been feeling…chatty, sorry.
I had to un-ignore his post just to see what he had to say this damn time.
Just kidding Bladeforce… I actually have never heard of you before.
Friends are there through the good,the bad and as we gethttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/old.gif-er or they are not friends.
Well said my Friend!!
Scott
I am nearly through this batch of requests. I am going in the order received. If I have missed any art requests so far, please let me know. Thank you for all the kind words. I did not respond to many. I have not been feeling…chatty, sorry.
It is quite alright Amanda! life has a way of getting to all of us…sooner rather then later.
Scott
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Has anyone listened to the set all the way through yet?
Not yet!! just getting into season 3
Scott
Not yet… I have it, with the rest of my music, set to shuffle on my iTunes/iPod. What I have heard sounds really good, though.
on 2nd disc of season 3, and have enjoyed them all so far
Thanks Peralcorderman…I’m looking forward to season 3 even more now 🙂
Scott
Ive gone thru it 5 times all the way thru, and it just gets better every time. one thing thou, I wish that they had put all the extra stuff with the episode that its from, like the extra stuff from the cage is like on disc 5 of the first season. I gotta redo the mp3s and put all the stuff together, and just make each episode music one long suite. Then do like Vermasitude did, and make a new folder for each episode. I think that will be good.
I totally agree with william and scotty and some of the rest. if someone comes at you, you gotta fight him, out in the open or whatever. it’s like that game "Whack a mole", every time he sticks his ugly little head up, whack em, LOL.
and sorry to ask this, but I dont know, whats a bumper?
thanx
Bumpers are also call Eye Catch in Anime, same thing without the talking.
Yes, there are BUMPERS!! Hehehehehe
William
Conducted by George Duning (With "Is There in Truth No Beauty?")
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Amanda, where are the ones you refer to on the LLL list of tracks?
We were talking, a couple of pages ago, about the TOS TREK, and I wanted to add the fact that
as far as reality is concerned, with TREK, as with Star Wars, you have to suspend disbelief. Now, starting with the Enterprise herself, anyone with a basic knowledge of physics knows that the design would not stand up in space. Having the nacelles separated from the main hull with pylons like that would be ripped from the ship the instant you went to warp, because of the fabric of space! Yes, space has fabric, it’s not a complete void, as Mr. Einstein proved, since if there was no fabric, we could see every star in the sky, once you got beyond any atmosphere, but as you know, some stars are brighter when they are closer to Earth, and the more distant ones are dimmer, because the fabric of space "shallows" up their light! To get a more fesible design, you would have to have the engines, the secondary hull and everything all in one place, all attached to the main body, like the Falcon! If the Enterprise would hit even warp one, the nacelles would be ripped off, and then the primary hull would rip away from the secondary hull, and not on purpose! 🙂
As far as the equipment on the Enterprise is concerned, having a device such as the transporter, on a ship with tricorders, phasers and communicators would be like having color TVs on the ship with Christopher Columbus!!! The technology of the transporter would be light years ahead of a communication device that could only transmit 50-100 miles like the communicators would. With our current state of technology, we can transmit much better than that every day, even without repeaters and such. As far as the instrumentation on the bridge, and in engineering and the transporter room, had you noticed that the stuff that they used on "Enterprise" looked more advanced than in TOS?
In reality, TOS should have something like a holo projection for their bridge controls. The viewscreen was supposed to be a holoscreen of sorts, according to the original design by Matt Jefferies, which was shown on STTNG! If the viewscreen was that way, why couldn’t they have better manual controls on the bridge? They actually used icecube trays with resin castings for their bridge "buttons"! I would LOVE to back to 1962 and seek out Gene and help him make the whole production more advanced, so it would look great, but without any extra cost. My laptop would BLOW their minds, hehehehe. Imagine if Kirk sat down in his command chair, and punched a button to speak with Scotty, and an IPAD popped up, with a visual of Scotty in engineering? Same with any of the screens at any station! I could take back stuff from our time, which could be filmed with no problem, and I would be there constantly to make sure that it didn’t fall into the "wrong" hands, like the CIA, hehehehee
And, lastly, everyone knows that Gene had been "inspired" to create Star Trek by the film "Forbidden Planet", with a captain, his second in command, the doctor and the engineer, the communications officers, etc. They even had a version of the transporter tubes, almost a decade before TREK even aired on TV!
Many people, on various sites, had pointed out all the shortcomings of TOS, from repairing someone who was injured with the transporter, or reversing age with it as well! There are many different situations that could have been, if someone would have pulled Gene aside and said "Hey…."
But Gene, as far as I knew from the couple of times that I actually got to speak with him, was a fairly advanced thinker, so why couldn’t he see that all TVs in the future would be widescreen? Why couldn’t he envision that we would have full stereo, or more? Or was he restricted too much by the studio, and the network? It’s one of those questions that will never be fully answered. I would like to go back before the civil war, and start building up some money, so that by the time WW2 came about, I could have a couple of million dollars, and buy a bunch of gold, which would be worth a couple of billion after the war, and just produce the WHOLE show privately, build a soundstage off of the paramount lot, and just deal with the networks myself, keep going back to 1966, and create different unfilmed episodes, so we could have seasons 4, 5, 6, 7, and 8!!!! 🙂 AND, all the new music by Sandy Courage, Fred Steiner, and the rest to go with them!
If only…..
William
as far as reality is concerned, with TREK, as with Star Wars, you have to suspend disbelief.
William
All Sci Fi franchises have such a suspension my friend.
With Trek I think they dipped into the similar worlds well too often due to the budget.
With Star Wars Lucas says it was always a story about the brother and sister, but the business with Luke and and the princess kissing…
With Lost In Space it was a family trapped on a barren planet, where do they get food and repair parts and props for Smith? How much could they have brought from earth?
With Battlestar Galactica Classic it was how do human pilots outfly machines? How do they win battles when they are outnumbered and can only travel as fast as the slowest ship in the fleet?
With Space 1999 it was how much recycling can you do before the moonbase runs out of food and water and air?
Take it with a grain and just enjoy it.
We were talking, a couple of pages ago, about the TOS TREK, and I wanted to add the fact that
as far as reality is concerned, with TREK, as with Star Wars, you have to suspend disbelief. Now, starting with the Enterprise herself, anyone with a basic knowledge of physics knows that the design would not stand up in space. Having the nacelles separated from the main hull with pylons like that would be ripped from the ship the instant you went to warp, because of the fabric of space! Yes, space has fabric, it’s not a complete void, as Mr. Einstein proved, since if there was no fabric, we could see every star in the sky, once you got beyond any atmosphere, but as you know, some stars are brighter when they are closer to Earth, and the more distant ones are dimmer, because the fabric of space "shallows" up their light! To get a more fesible design, you would have to have the engines, the secondary hull and everything all in one place, all attached to the main body, like the Falcon! If the Enterprise would hit even warp one, the nacelles would be ripped off, and then the primary hull would rip away from the secondary hull, and not on purpose! 🙂
As far as the equipment on the Enterprise is concerned, having a device such as the transporter, on a ship with tricorders, phasers and communicators would be like having color TVs on the ship with Christopher Columbus!!! The technology of the transporter would be light years ahead of a communication device that could only transmit 50-100 miles like the communicators would. With our current state of technology, we can transmit much better than that every day, even without repeaters and such. As far as the instrumentation on the bridge, and in engineering and the transporter room, had you noticed that the stuff that they used on "Enterprise" looked more advanced than in TOS?
In reality, TOS should have something like a holo projection for their bridge controls. The viewscreen was supposed to be a holoscreen of sorts, according to the original design by Matt Jefferies, which was shown on STTNG! If the viewscreen was that way, why couldn’t they have better manual controls on the bridge? They actually used icecube trays with resin castings for their bridge "buttons"! I would LOVE to back to 1962 and seek out Gene and help him make the whole production more advanced, so it would look great, but without any extra cost. My laptop would BLOW their minds, hehehehe. Imagine if Kirk sat down in his command chair, and punched a button to speak with Scotty, and an IPAD popped up, with a visual of Scotty in engineering? Same with any of the screens at any station! I could take back stuff from our time, which could be filmed with no problem, and I would be there constantly to make sure that it didn’t fall into the "wrong" hands, like the CIA, hehehehee
And, lastly, everyone knows that Gene had been "inspired" to create Star Trek by the film "Forbidden Planet", with a captain, his second in command, the doctor and the engineer, the communications officers, etc. They even had a version of the transporter tubes, almost a decade before TREK even aired on TV!
Many people, on various sites, had pointed out all the shortcomings of TOS, from repairing someone who was injured with the transporter, or reversing age with it as well! There are many different situations that could have been, if someone would have pulled Gene aside and said "Hey…."
But Gene, as far as I knew from the couple of times that I actually got to speak with him, was a fairly advanced thinker, so why couldn’t he see that all TVs in the future would be widescreen? Why couldn’t he envision that we would have full stereo, or more? Or was he restricted too much by the studio, and the network? It’s one of those questions that will never be fully answered. I would like to go back before the civil war, and start building up some money, so that by the time WW2 came about, I could have a couple of million dollars, and buy a bunch of gold, which would be worth a couple of billion after the war, and just produce the WHOLE show privately, build a soundstage off of the paramount lot, and just deal with the networks myself, keep going back to 1966, and create different unfilmed episodes, so we could have seasons 4, 5, 6, 7, and 8!!!! 🙂 AND, all the new music by Sandy Courage, Fred Steiner, and the rest to go with them!
If only…..
William
Excellent William! as usual! I guess the short answer is Money! as I understand it the TOS Enterprise model (11 foot) was suppose to have the Nacelles (where the intercoolers are) lite up in a purple color, but had do without it because of budgetary reasons…to bad! it would have look spectacular and tied into the Refit later on. Physics does have a way of peeing on our fun! but that is the whole thing about Sci-Fi!! suspending almost all reality and enjoying the movie and story….what could have been!!
That billion in gold would be worth Trillions today!! and TOS could still be on the air!! I can just see a 81 year old Captain Kirk! gumming his way across the Universe, and an 81 year old Spock with a walker 🙂
Scott
Scotty, well, I don’t know if you know this, but at the end of WW2, over 2 BILLION of Nazi gold was discovered in a cave, along with artwork and such that the Nazi creeps had hoarded, and hoped would never be found, but it was, and under the protection of a US army General. HOWEVER, (this is where it gets good) within a week, the gold had totally DISAPPEARED!!! Without a trace! and it has never EVER been recovered or discovered! In 1973, gold had jumped from 35.00 an ounce to 837.00 an ounce!!! Imagine what 2 billion in gold would have been worth on Dec 31, 1973? Gold price today is approx 1,673.00 per ounce!! YIKES! talk about TRILLIONS!!! The gold cartel is a MONSTER! 🙂
Anyway, going back in time would be a challege, to say the least! AND, following an example set forth in "Quantum leap" if you could go back in time, before your birth (Sam beckett actually went back to the civil war in one episode) then, by the laws of the universe, you wouldn’t die until your "time" was due. If you were supposed to die in 2017, at 5:36 in the evening of June 23 in that year, would you grow old and never die, or just stay the same age, never growing older? It would be an interesting experiment in temporal equations! Imagine going back to the building of the Egyptian empire, and just joining in on history, knowing everything that was going to happen, and observing history, making exact notes and documenting everything that happens, and collecting a nice little treasure of historical artifacts along the way, just like the "highlander" did! 🙂 you would have more wealth than the freemasons, and you could save it in a secret little vault like "National treasure" hehehehehe, only FOR REAL!!!!
I always thought about going back, discovering Elvis, and getting some of his early work recorded in STEREO, and digital to boot, then helping out the Beatles, and prevent the killing of Kennedy, and John Lennon, things like that, really screwing with the timeline! Hey, I could always go back and clean the slate, hehehehehe
If only…….
Oops, time to talk about TOS trek again, before I get yelled at!
Hehehehehehe
Gotta go to the gym and workout anyway, before the big party tonight! (Yipee) 🙂
Have a GREAT New Year, everyone!
William
Hard to believe that two of my fav actors Christopher Lee is 90 and Sean Connery 82 are that old now.
When STNG came out, I was excited. Gene was doing it, a NEW 1701, and crew. The thing I hated most about the show, was the main theme! It started with Courage’s theme…then the THE STTMP theme! All new show, and they wanted the theme from Kirk and crew’s movie. I still have not gotten over that. I think that Dennis McCarthy’s theme is better.
Here is a inventory of what was found: The inventory indicated that there were 8,198 bars of gold bullion; 55 boxes of crated gold bullion; hundreds of bags of gold items; over 1,300 bags of gold Reichsmarks, British gold pounds, and French gold francs; 711 bags of American twenty-dollar gold pieces; hundreds of bags of gold and silver coins; hundreds of bags of foreign currency; 9 bags of valuable coins; 2,380 bags and 1,300 boxes of Reichsmarks (2.76 billion Reichsmarks); 20 silver bars; 40 bags containing silver bars; 63 boxes and 55 bags of silver plate; 1 bag containing six platinum bars; and 110 bags from various countries. Value of the gold, silver, and currency was over $520 million in 1944 dollars! and large quantity of the loot appeared to have been taken by the SS from their victims.
This was reported at the time from General Patton "As the jittery elevator descended with ever-accelerating speed down the pitch-black shaft, with a German operating the elevator, Bernstein was concerned about their safety. So was Patton. Looking at the single cable, Patton said if the cable snapped "promotions in the United States Army would be considerably stimulated." General Eisenhower said "OK George, that’s enough. No more cracks until we are above ground again." LOL
You can read the whole story here Nazi Gold: The Merkers Mine Treasure (http://www.archives.gov/publications/prologue/1999/spring/nazi-gold-merkers-mine-treasure.html) that is of course you believe the US Government is giving us the truth.
But here is a conclusion to the story…
"At an international Nazi Gold conference held in London in December 1997, several countries agreed to relinquish their claims to their share of the remaining 5.5 metric tons (worth about sixty million dollars) still held by the Tripartite Gold Commission (TGC) and donate it to a Nazi Persecution Relief Fund to help survivors of the Holocaust. Almost all of the claimant nations similarly agreed to such a policy during the course of 1998. Early in September 1998, in a ceremony held in Paris, the TGC announced its task was completed and went out of business. Thus, the Merkers story ends on a noble, selfless, just, and moral note, as upwards of fifteen countries were willing to forego receiving gold stolen from their nations by the Nazis and allow it to be used as compensation for victims of Nazi persecution".
Scott
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"League of extraordinary gentlemen", I like that movie. I also, go for the CLASSIC SC-FI, know as, why did they ever make that movie.
When STNG came out, I was excited. Gene was doing it, a NEW 1701, and crew. The thing I hated most about the show, was the main theme! It started with Courage’s theme…then the THE STTMP theme! All new show, and they wanted the theme from Kirk and crew’s movie. I still have not gotten over that. I think that Dennis McCarthy’s theme is better.
I liked the movie as well and still watch it. I always that STTNG them was okay! but could have used a make over to something better…they should have given the job to Goldsmith.
Scott
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Happy New Year to All Of You!!!
Scott
The gold was really found by Kelly’s Heroes, and what was really turned over was from Fort Knot. That is why there has been talk of this cliff…or something.
Scotty, I agree, Goldsmith should have got the job. He proved many times, he understood Star Trek.
The gold was really found by Kelly’s Heroes, and what was really turned over was from Fort Knot. That is why there has been talk of this cliff…or something.
Scotty, I agree, Goldsmith should have got the job. He proved many times, he understood Star Trek.
I love Kelly’s Heroes!! what a great movie!! I can’t remember how many times I saw it at the theater, have the DVD and Soundtrack!! still makes my laugh…
Yeah come Wednesday (market closed tomorrow) people are really going to feel it!…just wait until obamacare kicks in on top of that!! good thing I got rid of all my 401k’s 🙂
Scott
Scott
THE BUSH TAX CUTS + SPENDING LIKE NO TOMORROW = 
HAVE A NICE DAY.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/tears8.gif
Scott
Just make sure you all know where the Exits are!!!
William
You’re forgetting that warp drive is actually bending space around the ship. They don’t push the ship like jet engines do with airplanes so nothing would get ripped. 🙂
No, they have a track on there (I heard it, I KNOW I did, hehehe) where Shatner says "This is William Shatner, Star Trek will return after these messages" or something like that! 🙂
William
I think someone uploaded that on Youtube once… seems to be gone now.
At least there’s this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmnxTFQqUco
EDIT: Here’s Nimoy bumper:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRalX_Fkb7Q
And check this out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQW3dfW2kyg
LOL
you need to go! have a good time!!! just don’t do it in my corridors laddie or you may end up like Lt. Riley! 😉
Scott
I think someone uploaded that on Youtube once… seems to be gone now.
At least there’s this:
Bumper Fan Out '68 – YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmnxTFQqUco)
EDIT: Here’s Nimoy bumper:
STAR TREK NBC 1967 NIMOY INTRO 16mm – YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRalX_Fkb7Q)
And check this out:
star trek 3rd season nbc promo – YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQW3dfW2kyg)
These are great!
We were talking, a couple of pages ago, about the TOS TREK, and I wanted to add the fact that
as far as reality is concerned, with TREK, as with Star Wars, you have to suspend disbelief. Now, starting with the Enterprise herself, anyone with a basic knowledge of physics knows that the design would not stand up in space. Having the nacelles separated from the main hull with pylons like that would be ripped from the ship the instant you went to warp, because of the fabric of space! Yes, space has fabric, it’s not a complete void, as Mr. Einstein proved, since if there was no fabric, we could see every star in the sky, once you got beyond any atmosphere, but as you know, some stars are brighter when they are closer to Earth, and the more distant ones are dimmer, because the fabric of space "shallows" up their light! To get a more fesible design, you would have to have the engines, the secondary hull and everything all in one place, all attached to the main body, like the Falcon! If the Enterprise would hit even warp one, the nacelles would be ripped off, and then the primary hull would rip away from the secondary hull, and not on purpose! 🙂
As far as the equipment on the Enterprise is concerned, having a device such as the transporter, on a ship with tricorders, phasers and communicators would be like having color TVs on the ship with Christopher Columbus!!! The technology of the transporter would be light years ahead of a communication device that could only transmit 50-100 miles like the communicators would. With our current state of technology, we can transmit much better than that every day, even without repeaters and such. As far as the instrumentation on the bridge, and in engineering and the transporter room, had you noticed that the stuff that they used on "Enterprise" looked more advanced than in TOS?
In reality, TOS should have something like a holo projection for their bridge controls. The viewscreen was supposed to be a holoscreen of sorts, according to the original design by Matt Jefferies, which was shown on STTNG! If the viewscreen was that way, why couldn’t they have better manual controls on the bridge? They actually used icecube trays with resin castings for their bridge "buttons"! I would LOVE to back to 1962 and seek out Gene and help him make the whole production more advanced, so it would look great, but without any extra cost. My laptop would BLOW their minds, hehehehe. Imagine if Kirk sat down in his command chair, and punched a button to speak with Scotty, and an IPAD popped up, with a visual of Scotty in engineering? Same with any of the screens at any station! I could take back stuff from our time, which could be filmed with no problem, and I would be there constantly to make sure that it didn’t fall into the "wrong" hands, like the CIA, hehehehee
And, lastly, everyone knows that Gene had been "inspired" to create Star Trek by the film "Forbidden Planet", with a captain, his second in command, the doctor and the engineer, the communications officers, etc. They even had a version of the transporter tubes, almost a decade before TREK even aired on TV!
Many people, on various sites, had pointed out all the shortcomings of TOS, from repairing someone who was injured with the transporter, or reversing age with it as well! There are many different situations that could have been, if someone would have pulled Gene aside and said "Hey…."
But Gene, as far as I knew from the couple of times that I actually got to speak with him, was a fairly advanced thinker, so why couldn’t he see that all TVs in the future would be widescreen? Why couldn’t he envision that we would have full stereo, or more? Or was he restricted too much by the studio, and the network? It’s one of those questions that will never be fully answered. I would like to go back before the civil war, and start building up some money, so that by the time WW2 came about, I could have a couple of million dollars, and buy a bunch of gold, which would be worth a couple of billion after the war, and just produce the WHOLE show privately, build a soundstage off of the paramount lot, and just deal with the networks myself, keep going back to 1966, and create different unfilmed episodes, so we could have seasons 4, 5, 6, 7, and 8!!!! 🙂 AND, all the new music by Sandy Courage, Fred Steiner, and the rest to go with them!
If only…..
William
Well Star Trek fans are very lucky. At least you can watch every episode ever created. Think of us poor Doctor Who fans….So many episodes from the 60’s are missing. Destroyed by the BBC. do you know that they wiped one episode befor it was transmitted and had to use a telecine print on broadcast day. So many classic stories either completely missing or with missing episodes. Some times some are found in lofts or in foreign countries tv companies vaults, but alas not enough. Si if I could go back in time (very apt for Doctor Who) then I would take a bluray recorder to record all the missing episodes. 🙁
Yes, that is true, the warp "bubble" would push normal space out of the ships path, but even "Null space" or "N-space" as Mr. Einstein had referred to it, has a fabric, so something would hit against the ship, and rip the nacelles off! There are even light photons in the dead of space! 🙂
AND, before anyone asks, NO, I am not a physics expert! Heheehehehe
William
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Also keep in mind that it has not even been 24 hours since you asked.
looking at the high blood alcohol levels 😀
@William: N-Space, sure, but don’t forget "the infinities will cancel each other out". If you can tell me the line of TNG episode were you hear that sentence you are personal holo … ah … hero … damn …
It is sad what the BBC did to Doctor Who original episodes!! most well probably never be recovered or found! where the 60’s shows filmed? or taped? sounds like they were taped! and ended up like so many other shows…erased and reused for something else. To bad they were not shown here, they might have survived.
Scott
Scott
Yep, all studio stuff was taped, only OB stuff was filmed. They then used to do telecine transfers to sell to other countries, and that is the only way they get back to us now. There was one episode from the ROMANS that came back from a middle east country and it was dubbed in Arabic. It’s then that they have to get audio recordings fans made on reel to reel tape with a microphone in front of the TV speaker on the original broadcast. So at least there are audio recordings of every episode.
Edit:
In actual fact scotty, terror of the autons colour copy was destroyed by the BBC, but the US still had an NTSC copy, so they took the US coppy and used it to overlay the colour onto the black and white 16mm telecine copy. So the US did help.
That would be good. But my optimism is waining now.The time involved between the found episodes seems to be longer and longer.
Edit:
In actual fact scotty, terror of the autons colour copy was destroyed by the BBC, but the US still had an NTSC copy, so they took the US coppy and used it to overlay the colour onto the black and white 16mm telecine copy. So the US did help.
We did something right!! I’m sure Canada was checked as well!! and found nothing….how sad 🙁
Scott
Scott
It sadly didn’t happen only to Dr Who. Worst case is probably "The avengers" (no, not cap america and his friends). the first three series were wiped, and only a handful of episodes have survived (two for series one, and series two and three survived only as telerecordings, in relatively poor quality.)
Fun fact: this nearly happened to "monty Python Flying circus", but Terry Jones bought the masters and stored them at his home.
I’m sure where ever else it was shown has already destroyed there copies or reused the tapes way before now, and the British Government has better things to do then ask every country on the planet to check their video vaults.
Scott
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It sadly didn’t happen only to Dr Who. Worst case is probably "The avengers" (no, not cap america and his friends). the first three series were wiped, and only a handful of episodes have survived (two for series one, and series two and three survived only as telerecordings, in relatively poor quality.)
Fun fact: this nearly happened to "monty Python Flying circus", but Terry Jones bought the masters and stored them at his home.
Ah crap!! The Avengers Too!!! damn I loved that show…especially Emma Peel (Diana Rigg) got to love the BBC!
Thank God Terry Jones saved the master tapes!
What the hell is wrong with the BBC!! did they wipe the tapes to save money or what? I can’t believe they did that!! what a bunch of knuckle heads…they should find the idiot or idiots and put there head’s on the block.
Scott
Which scenes are you referring to? as far as I know they are all there! or are you thinking of the first Pilot "The Cage"?
Scott
It sounds utterly unthinkable these days, but think about it with a 1960s mindset; what’s the point in keeping expensive tapes with a cheap kids show when all they’d do is sit in a vault gathering dust. At the time, their reasons were sound. If Who had been shot entirely on film (and, more importantly, finished on film) as Trek TOS was, they would probably still be in the archives. Film cannot be re-used and throwing it away requires effort… ergo, it stays. (Assuming it doesn’t catch fire, or get nicked…)
I would think that probably all the missing episodes do exist out there, somehow, in some form – whether it be black and white film recordings (from which colour can sometimes be recovered), off-air recordings made on domestic videotape, or copies stored in foreign TV archives… Whether they will be discovered is another matter… Every day that passes those old reels deteriorate; and they’re not stored in ideal environments. They’re sitting in boxes in people’s attics. The people who own them don’t know they’ve got them. They’re not looking after them – and they may well chuck them out thinking they’re worthless. Their owners are growing old now and when they pass away, odds on all those boxes will go to the dump. It’s a sad thought.
I had originally found this on a DVD ISO done by the people behind New Voyages, which had the original untouched version (VHS quality) and a re-touched version using the additional VHS footage and footage from the season 1 DVD release (think of how The Cage was "reassembled"… B&W, then color, then B&W). Unfortunately, I lost the copy I had in a hard drive failure. I cannot remember where I downloaded it, but I do remember the disclaimer saying at the beginning that they would remove it from being online should it have an official release…which came with the Blu-ray. I’ll have a look around, but doubt I’ll find it.
I never know there was an alternative version!! wow what a fine, but alas I don’t have HD either, well my computer monitor is HD but no blu-ray player and I’m not going to sit at my monitor and watch a movie or TV show for hours…my back just won’t take it anymore. Hopefully someone will put it on youtub and I can download it and watch it at my leisure…Thanks AZ for that piece of info.
Scott
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As far as Who is concerned… At the time, videotape was stupidly expensive. They taped stuff, put it on TV, blanked out the tapes, and reused them. They had no conception of repeats, home video, historical interest – it was just some silly show they made, broadcast once, and then moved on with their lives.
It sounds utterly unthinkable these days, but think about it with a 1960s mindset; what’s the point in keeping expensive tapes with a cheap kids show when all they’d do is sit in a vault gathering dust. At the time, their reasons were sound. If Who had been shot entirely on film (and, more importantly, finished on film) as Trek TOS was, they would probably still be in the archives. Film cannot be re-used and throwing it away requires effort… ergo, it stays. (Assuming it doesn’t catch fire, or get nicked…)
I would think that probably all the missing episodes do exist out there, somehow, in some form – whether it be black and white film recordings (from which colour can sometimes be recovered), off-air recordings made on domestic videotape, or copies stored in foreign TV archives… Whether they will be discovered is another matter… Every day that passes those old reels deteriorate; and they’re not stored in ideal environments. They’re sitting in boxes in people’s attics. The people who own them don’t know they’ve got them. They’re not looking after them – and they may well chuck them out thinking they’re worthless. Their owners are growing old now and when they pass away, odds on all those boxes will go to the dump. It’s a sad thought.
Yeah I though about what I said earlier and then you posted just about what I was thinking!! and unfortunately your spot on….it is sad to think they will end up in some dump! if only we could go back in time and change it…nice thought! Thanks William for bring up time travel, getting our hopes up and busting our bubbles 😉
YEAH!! thats it…lets blame WILLIAM for crapping on our lost dreams!! oh the hell with it….shutting down the warp core, jettisoning the fusion reactors, and vetting all atmosphere in the ship…say goodnight Gracie!! 🙂
Scott
Scott
The "alternate" version is the original edit that was presented to the studio. After it was picked up, they needed to edit it for TV. I think there was about 2-3 minutes cut out, mostly at the beginning, including an alternate title sequence, and opening narration. 99% beyond that is the same, except for "ACT" breaks. I would rip it from the blu-ray myself, but don’t have a blu-ray drive in my computer.
Thanks to ComicsJoe’s links to Youtube’s TOS bumpers, I am collecting them to add to my TOS music files. Is the one that has Nimoy on THE set? Still hoping to finally get all of the CDs, so I don’t know for sure.
lol, someone obviously made a typo.
AND, I really do not like being blamed for the lack of time travel! 🙁 If I had it my way, humans would have gotten that invented back in the 70’s, and then they really would have fucked up the timestream, and we would all be speaking German or Japanese, or something like that! Hehehehehe
Driving around the city during the holidays, and seeing all the crazy drivers screwing up the traffic flow, I turned to my wife and said "aren’t you glad that they haven’t invented FLYING cars by now?" Hehehehehe I just cannot wait for that! Just think, you could be sitting at home, watching TV, getting ready to go to bed, or enjoying a nice warm shower, when someone crashes their car into your roof!!!
Just can’t wait for the future. Hehehehehe
William
BBC ought to get an animation company to recreate them with CGI (yeah, I know that some have been done… but with crappy flash animation…)
Yes, that is true, the warp "bubble" would push normal space out of the ships path, but even "Null space" or "N-space" as Mr. Einstein had referred to it, has a fabric, so something would hit against the ship, and rip the nacelles off! There are even light photons in the dead of space! 🙂
AND, before anyone asks, NO, I am not a physics expert! Heheehehehe
William
Nah. This would actually happen:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2234397/Bad-news-Scotty-Star-Trek-style-warp-drive-systems-turn-spacecraft-Death-Stars-destroy-planets-arrival.html
Though I think some physicists came up with a solution for that… Oh, well, after all – it’s still in primitive stages. 🙂
I had to laugh this morning at the news: apparently China wants to build a moonbase, and NASA told them that they have to find a way to avoid deadly outer space radiation! This is EXACTLY what I’ve been saying for decades now! 🙂 Without our atmosphere, and the "Van Allen" belts that surround the Earth, we would be fried meat in a nanosecond! That’s a FACT! It just boggles the mind! Hehehehe 🙂
William
Thanks to ComicsJoe’s links to Youtube’s TOS bumpers, I am collecting them to add to my TOS music files. Is the one that has Nimoy on THE set? Still hoping to finally get all of the CDs, so I don’t know for sure.
I have no blu-ray player either in my computer! I injured my back on the job years ago and now that I’m older it has come back to bite me on the butt…per say! but sitting in this chair I need a pillow for my lower back support…even that is not enough some times!….I can sneeze and throw out my back sometimes and thats it! I can’t do anything but lie down and take my pain pills and muscle relaxant pills (which I hate to take! I don’t like the feeling of no self control) and sleep!! and thats about all I can do. This is what happens when you have to man handle people, get hit by a car and of course carry about 25 to 30 pounds on your waist for 12 hour shifts. Enough of my complaining….on with the show 🙂
Scott
Either way, I’m lucky to be pain free at my age. But, I feel your pain, buddy.
William
AND, I really do not like being blamed for the lack of time travel! 🙁 If I had it my way, humans would have gotten that invented back in the 70’s, and then they really would have fucked up the timestream, and we would all be speaking German or Japanese, or something like that! Hehehehehe
Driving around the city during the holidays, and seeing all the crazy drivers screwing up the traffic flow, I turned to my wife and said "aren’t you glad that they haven’t invented FLYING cars by now?" Hehehehehe I just cannot wait for that! Just think, you could be sitting at home, watching TV, getting ready to go to bed, or enjoying a nice warm shower, when someone crashes their car into your roof!!!
Just can’t wait for the future. Hehehehehe
William
William you know I was just kidding my friend 🙂
I read a paper once about time travel and it stated that if we were able to get time travel and not mess up the time line, or cause any one of the "Temporal Paradox", "Grandfather Paradox", "Ontological Paradox", or "The Reverse Grandfather Paradox" all we could really do is watch and not interact with the past or remove anything from the past. Edward Farhi, a theoretical physicist at MIT "To warp space-time enough to create a closed timelike curve as well as power the spaceship would demand half of the universe’s matter and energy." in other words time travel is out of the question….rats!
Yeah it has always fascinated me about people wanting all these flying cars, hover boards, or what have you, is they never stop and think about the human (that is fallible) operating that machine could never get drunk, pass out from some medical problem or medication they are taking and drive right into your roof and then have the damn thing explode because of the power required to lift it and move it forward or backward is going to be huge…lets say Fusion! can we say Nuclear Bomb!! now that would Ruin your night and make you glow in the dark for a few thousand years…
Scott
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Well, try falling down a concrete staircase, and smashing your back on one of the concrete corners! I did that in 1989, and it took me about a year of therapy to just be able to walk correctly. But I was lucky, as my doctor had told me about the "inversion" boots, and I went out, and bought a pair, and put a bar up in the garage, with a rope to help me pull myself up, and I would hang upside down for 30 minutes a day, with a football helmet on my head, with fishing weights that I glued onto it, to stretch my whole spine out. Not only did it help a compressed spinal situation in my neck, but it helped my back, with little pain meds at all! Now people think that I’m either a career military man, since I walk so "proper", or that I have been working out alot lately!:)
Either way, I’m lucky to be pain free at my age. But, I feel your pain, buddy.
William
Ouch!! that hurts!! you are a very lucky guy William. My son’s like to say "Looks like the old man has a rod up his backside" the way I was trained! I walk the same way as you "Ramrod Straight" well I try too 😉
I’ve been shoved into wall’s, cars, doors even into ditches (this is when we had no vests or if we did they where from the 1970’s with lead in them, and where I live in the summer it’s like 110 here, sometimes higher) so we did not use them, when we did start to get newer vests the damn things where open on the sides!! covered the front and back with no trauma plate (cover the heart) if one got shot -and depends on the caliber used-you would still die and your family would just get a whole body with no entry or exit wounds…Oh! so many fun Friday & Saturday nights, breaking up bar fights in piss ant county towns, where your nearest backup was 30 to 40 minutes away! but I did love my job, it differently had it’s good times…and not once have I regretted it.
I can’t use that method, I should have said also (which I did not find out about until I was about 40) that I have a mild case of Myelomeningocele (Spinal Bifida) so hanging upside down won’t do me any good…just have to live with it.
Scott
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I have no blu-ray player either in my computer! I injured my back on the job years ago and now that I’m older it has come back to bite me on the butt…per say! but sitting in this chair I need a pillow for my lower back support…even that is not enough some times!….I can sneeze and throw out my back sometimes and thats it! I can’t do anything but lie down and take my pain pills and muscle relaxant pills (which I hate to take! I don’t like the feeling of no self control) and sleep!! and thats about all I can do. This is what happens when you have to man handle people, get hit by a car and of course carry about 25 to 30 pounds on your waist for 12 hour shifts. Enough of my complaining….on with the show 🙂
Scott
For me, it is my knees, both need to be replace, and arthritis in my lower back and neck. No pills worked, so it is pain, pain, etc. I worked almost 25 years in Steel Fabrication shops, heavy lifting. So I do understand your pain in the back.
On a music note, I notice lately, when I’m riding a handicapped scooter in the grocery store, I’m humming the Cube theme from The Corbomite Maneuver. I just don’t know why it popped in my head, I guess I finally gone over the edge for Star Trek.
that’s more than the avengers, and it’s indeed a shame. For the avengers, only the first series is completely lost (26 eps), and the next 52 (with Cathy Gale and Honor Blackman) only subsist as telerecordings.
Diana riggs :swoon: was luckily spared.
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For me, it is my knees, both need to be replace, and arthritis in my lower back and neck. No pills worked, so it is pain, pain, etc. I worked almost 25 years in Steel Fabrication shops, heavy lifting. So I do understand your pain in the back.
On a music note, I notice lately, when I’m riding a handicapped scooter in the grocery store, I’m humming the Cube theme from The Corbomite Maneuver. I just don’t know why it popped in my head, I guess I finally gone over the edge for Star Trek.
You know every time I think I have it worse! there is someone worse off then I am!! the worst part is the constant pain, that is debilitating and then some…Brother I feel for you!!! and the surgeries never work, just seem to makes things worse or nothing gets better…the old, damned if you do and damned if you don’t….but we just keep keeping on!
LOOOOL I burned all the TOS music to CD and play it in the car (when I have to go out) and I love the music for the fight scene of "Amok Time" the looks I get!! LOOOOL I just saw the episode of the "Big Bang Theory" where there they set up a laser field and did the "Secret Agent Laser Obstacle Chess" and did the same song!! I laughed my butt off on that one! so your not alone my friend!! 🙂
Scott
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that’s more than the avengers, and it’s indeed a shame. For the avengers, only the first series is completely lost (26 eps), and the next 52 (with Cathy Gale and Honor Blackman) only subsist as telerecordings.
Diana riggs :swoon: was luckily spared.
Oh Yeah…Dian Riggs was a hottie back then!!
That is sicking to think the first 26 episodes are lost!! it’s has to be a miracle that "The Prisoner" survived, and "The Saint" and a few others…
What a shame 🙁
Scott
That is sicking to think the first 26 episodes are lost!! it’s has to be a miracle that "The Prisoner" survived, and "The Saint" and a few others…
What a shame 🙁
Scott
Well, most of that stuff was done on film and for world wide distribution. The Diana Rigg and later episodes of the Avengers were done for the American market primarily. The ITC shows (The Prisoner, The Saint) were also done with an eye for American airing, so film was the norm for those. There was no tape to erase. I suppose they could have tossed the film reels, but they didn’t. Most of these shows went right into American syndication or had limited Network runs (The Avengers, The Saint, Danger Man (Secret Agent in the US) were the most successful on network TV. The Prisoner also had it’s full run on CBS. After their runs, they hit the syndie market. Were these simply BBC shows on video, they probably would have been purged. Many Dr. Who episodes were destroyed very late in the game, surprisingly.
Thats my next job!! I just wanted to make sure if my new HD crashed I could put it back in again 🙂
We have a hand sign we give to let them know I’m one of them (and it’s not the middle finger) hehehehehe they can tell real quick if they ran my license plate number!! it comes back as NOF (Not On File) plus I have my retired Department ID with me at all times. Oh I agree 100 percent TOS music is the best!! the problem is I have is so many soundtracks in life, it all depends on my mood, most of the time it’s the fast heroic mode I love the best…you know Superman theme, "He’s Back" from "Superman Returns","Battle Of The Parapets" from Krull things like that…If my youngest son (28) is in the car with me I have to turn off the CD player, my music is not his style, but we both enjoy music from the 60’s, my oldest (31) son likes my music and we have a blast!!! 🙂
Scott
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Well, most of that stuff was done on film and for world wide distribution. The Diana Rigg and later episodes of the Avengers were done for the American market primarily. The ITC shows (The Prisoner, The Saint) were also done with an eye for American airing, so film was the norm for those. There was no tape to erase. I suppose they could have tossed the film reels, but they didn’t. Most of these shows went right into American syndication or had limited Network runs (The Avengers, The Saint, Danger Man (Secret Agent in the US) were the most successful on network TV. The Prisoner also had it’s full run on CBS. After their runs, they hit the syndie market. Were these simply BBC shows on video, they probably would have been purged. Many Dr. Who episodes were destroyed very late in the game, surprisingly.
Okay I understand it better now!! thanks ssosmcin 🙂
I watched those shows when they first came on TV here and thought they were all done the same "Filmed"! even Dr. Who! I guess they never had the intention of sending it to the USA when it first came on the air. To bad to, we might have more of the lost episodes and not wanting a hang the BBC for their stupidity.
Scott
Lew Grade, head of ITC, was a pioneer of global TV distribution. He wanted his shows to look like films on their limited budgets. A lot of those shows still look great.
Lew Grade, head of ITC, was a pioneer of global TV distribution. He wanted his shows to look like films on their limited budgets. A lot of those shows still look great.
Yes they do look great!!! Sir Lew Grade was a genius for his time!
I guess in England the Government owns TV productions? and the stations? is that how it works over there? because if they do…I can see why your Television Productions have so many problems. I know Fox owns a studio there, but the rest I have no idea who owns them or if they are owned by your Government or what!
Scott
As for soundtracks, I have almost 800 CDs. Plus more on LP and cassettes.
I guess in England the Government owns TV productions? and the stations? is that how it works over there? because if they do…I can see why your Television Productions have so many problems. I know Fox owns a studio there, but the rest I have no idea who owns them or if they are owned by your Government or what!
Scott
LOL! If the government owned TV productions, we’d make about two shows a year and they’d both be about how fantastic the government is. 😉
Government regulates. BBC is funded by public money (no commercials; we pay an annual licence fee which pays for everything). Other networks are funded by commercials just as in other countries.
At the time of The Prisoner, Who, etc, we had three channels – two BBC (BBC One started in 1936, BBC Two in 1964) and ITV. ITV is (was) Lew Grade’s company. It’s commercially funded. They were far more interested in selling abroad than the BBC, who at the time just wanted to make shows to put on to justify taking the licence fee. In those days, the glossy stuff tended to come from them.
Today, ITV makes a load of cheap tat.
The film outside, video inside scenario divides a lot of people. Personally I like it – probably because I grew up with it. It came about because video cameras were great for studio work but the recorders in use at the time were too cumbersome for location shoots – and portable models were unreliable and or prohibitively expensive… so studio stuff went down on videotape, and location stuff went down on film – frequently 16mm. This just became "the way it was done" and it continued to be that way for decades after the problems that caused it went away. Some British productions used this technique as late as 2001.
Some productions were shot entirely on film and finished on film; that is to say that the completed master is film as well.
Oftentimes, a show is shot on film but edited and graded on videotape (often with Crapola Inc. vision mixer video effects; the staple of old-skool Who) again for budgetary reasons; so decades later what you have is boxes and boxes of reels of film containing random shots and scenes and the finished product only on crappy quality (frequently quad or 1 inch) tape…
Old Lew Grade had the right idea – but 35mm film was only viable for ultra-budget programmes produced with the international market in mind. 35mm production in the States was a lot more common, and still is to a certain extent although the inevitable move to HD video has signed 35mm’s death sentence in recent years. In the UK, we got 16mm, super 16 on special occasions… almost never 35mm unless the producers were moonlighting American networks. 😉
I really love 16mm film, personally. Shot well, it’s gorgeous – and it’s cheap. Alas, that’s dying as well, now, thanks to cheap and spotlessly perfect, flat, and bland HD video.
There was a good reason for most things at the time. All seems ludicrous today, but it all made sense in the seventies. (So I am told!)
Apologies for the off-topic-ness but this is all very interesting stuff and is at least vaguely related to Trek… so hopefully you’ll forgive me. 😀
As for soundtracks, I have almost 800 CDs. Plus more on LP and cassettes.
LOL
I always loved the fresh meat we got (just out of the Academy) all Gung-ho and all and they would always stick them on Watch One (my shift o-dark-thirty to sunup, don’t get me wrong I loved that shift, we had one Sergeant and one Lt. on duty-he (the Lt.) spent his time back at HQ-all the higher ups where gone :)) and I had a tape player with me (gets damn lonely out in the middle of third and nowhere) and about 0300 the calls would start to die out,(at lest on Sunday to Thursday) I’d turn that thing on and low and behold the little turd (JAFO-Just Another Fracking Observer), NNDS (No Name Dumb Sh*t), BKWB (Blue Knight Want-a-Be (if someone asks who the Blue Knight is I’ll brain-them!) to name a few acronyms we called them) would make the same comment!…"So you listen to Classic or oldie’s music!!" or "How old are you?" the best one was "Are we going to listen to that "Dinosaur" music all night?" my response was something along these lines…."No you are not! I’m going to listen to music, your going to get out and walk back to the station! turn in your badge, gun and ID…because your done." The look on their faces was priceless!!! (in reality we had to have more then that to let someone go, but not that much more hehehehe) I loved being a T.O. (Training Officer- two strips up) we could pass or fail someone for farting in the wrong direction and the higher ups would let them go 🙂 Standard Probationary rules (at that time) where 60 days! if you survived past that, you where here to stay.
I never got into heavy rock or psychedelic music! it always made me to jittery!! (bad memory’s of rock concert’s from the late 70’s) Hell I can’t even go into a bar anymore!! I’m always looking for the butt head thats going to start trouble, so I can’t relax…that and I can’t drink anymore…no big loss.
Most of what I have is LP, cassettes, 8-track & CD’s number about 500 altogether, I’ve lost a few to my ex-wife, but better she get them, then living with her. 🙂
Scott
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After I finish the last couple, I will no longer be taking requests or sharing the TOS box cd’s and art. I have given links to almost 200 members, and I feel that is enough for me.
I’d say so!!! all 200 hundred owe you a "GIANT HUG" Amanda (and our nameless benefactor 🙂 you know who you are!) Thank You for all that you have done!!! Take a Bow Amanda!!!! you deserve it and more.
Scott
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LOL! If the government owned TV productions, we’d make about two shows a year and they’d both be about how fantastic the government is. 😉
Government regulates. BBC is funded by public money (no commercials; we pay an annual licence fee which pays for everything). Other networks are funded by commercials just as in other countries.
At the time of The Prisoner, Who, etc, we had three channels – two BBC (BBC One started in 1936, BBC Two in 1964) and ITV. ITV is (was) Lew Grade’s company. It’s commercially funded. They were far more interested in selling abroad than the BBC, who at the time just wanted to make shows to put on to justify taking the licence fee. In those days, the glossy stuff tended to come from them.
Today, ITV makes a load of cheap tat.
The film outside, video inside scenario divides a lot of people. Personally I like it – probably because I grew up with it. It came about because video cameras were great for studio work but the recorders in use at the time were too cumbersome for location shoots – and portable models were unreliable and or prohibitively expensive… so studio stuff went down on videotape, and location stuff went down on film – frequently 16mm. This just became "the way it was done" and it continued to be that way for decades after the problems that caused it went away. Some British productions used this technique as late as 2001.
Some productions were shot entirely on film and finished on film; that is to say that the completed master is film as well.
Oftentimes, a show is shot on film but edited and graded on videotape (often with Crapola Inc. vision mixer video effects; the staple of old-skool Who) again for budgetary reasons; so decades later what you have is boxes and boxes of reels of film containing random shots and scenes and the finished product only on crappy quality (frequently quad or 1 inch) tape…
Old Lew Grade had the right idea – but 35mm film was only viable for ultra-budget programmes produced with the international market in mind. 35mm production in the States was a lot more common, and still is to a certain extent although the inevitable move to HD video has signed 35mm’s death sentence in recent years. In the UK, we got 16mm, super 16 on special occasions… almost never 35mm unless the producers were moonlighting American networks. 😉
I really love 16mm film, personally. Shot well, it’s gorgeous – and it’s cheap. Alas, that’s dying as well, now, thanks to cheap and spotlessly perfect, flat, and bland HD video.
There was a good reason for most things at the time. All seems ludicrous today, but it all made sense in the seventies. (So I am told!)
Apologies for the off-topic-ness but this is all very interesting stuff and is at least vaguely related to Trek… so hopefully you’ll forgive me. 😀
Your forgiven!! Being from the US I have no idea how it works there! thank you for the education!!
We have something similar it’s called PBS (Public Broadcasting Service) its paid for by tax payer money, but still gushes how wonderful the Government is 😉 you guys got that part right! now we just need to get our Government out of it.
I don’t think there is a TV show on the air that uses 35mm film anymore, at lest here, their all shot in HD video, even most major motion pictures are still shot using 35mm, at lest until 2015 the studio’s want to go to digital-which is far cheaper ($150.00 Dollars per copy for digital, compared to $1,500 for each 35mm copy plus shipping in heavy metal case’s) until "Avatar" came along! that changed everything. So we shall see what happens.
As for 16mm I love it to…used it in high school along with 8mm, super 8mm then video 1/2 inch reel to reel (yep I’m that old), film schools used to use 16mm, but I believe they have all gone to video! (could be wrong) but in the end video is flat as you say…no life in it! give me the smell of film emulsion anytime over no nothing from video.
Scott
Scott, I still got some 8mm TOS. I had the cranking, holding in light viewers, took the film out, spliced them together, and watched TOS on the wall. I even took some waxed paper and made the View Screen on my model Bridge work, by projecting the 8mm TOS scenes from the back (outside the model), and pretended I was on the Bridge in Space. Well for a teen, it was fun.
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I had to laugh this morning at the news: apparently China wants to build a moonbase, and NASA told them that they have to find a way to avoid deadly outer space radiation! This is EXACTLY what I’ve been saying for decades now! 🙂 Without our atmosphere, and the "Van Allen" belts that surround the Earth, we would be fried meat in a nanosecond! That’s a FACT! It just boggles the mind! Hehehehe 🙂
William
Errr, no. It’s just that current means of protection don’t last long enough for something like a Moon base as radiation damages it over time eventually making it useless and constant fixes would cost a lot of money and resources.
Though we probably won’t come even close to a Moon base any time soon as all the money for space program is being wasted on wars. So all talk about it is pretty much empty talk. 🙁
I have transferred almost all of my CDs to harddrive only, and I will be starting this year to doing that with all my vids! I have over 1200 scores on various drives, and backedup as well! Over 600 gigs for my soundtracks alone, another 225 gigs for my music like Jazz, rock and roll and classical. I have over 1,000 movies and tv shows, etc. so I expect to have to get about 10 TB of harddrives to store those, and then I will have to back them up on another 10!!! 🙂
I just got a CD player in my car that has a USB slot in it, and I take my 8 gig memory stick and throw music on it. I used to get into trouble in the past, when I was driving around LA freeway mess, listening to Back to the Future 2, when Doc and Marty were chasing Biff, and the music got really intense, so I would drive in and out of lanes, trying to get somewhere FAST! Hehehehe. Missed getting tickets by THAT much! 🙂
AND, BTW, if anyone is interested, the radiation in the dead of space (say, between the Earth and the moon) is 6,000 rems per hour! Humans can only stand 2,000 rems for the entire lifetime!!! You would need at the VERY least 3 inches of plate lead to protect you, that would be a very heavy moon-suit to wear, just to walk on the surface of that airless, dead planetoid! Hehehehe And the Apollo crew only had that thin gold foil to protect them in the dead of space, and walking around on the moon, how do you suppose that they did that?
It boggles the mind!
William
I have transferred almost all of my CDs to harddrive only, and I will be starting this year to doing that with all my vids! I have over 1200 scores on various drives, and backedup as well! Over 600 gigs for my soundtracks alone, another 225 gigs for my music like Jazz, rock and roll and classical. I have over 1,000 movies and tv shows, etc. so I expect to have to get about 10 TB of harddrives to store those, and then I will have to back them up on another 10!!! 🙂
I just got a CD player in my car that has a USB slot in it, and I take my 8 gig memory stick and throw music on it. I used to get into trouble in the past, when I was driving around LA freeway mess, listening to Back to the Future 2, when Doc and Marty were chasing Biff, and the music got really intense, so I would drive in and out of lanes, trying to get somewhere FAST! Hehehehe. Missed getting tickets by THAT much! 🙂
AND, BTW, if anyone is interested, the radiation in the dead of space (say, between the Earth and the moon) is 6,000 rems per hour! Humans can only stand 2,000 rems for the entire lifetime!!! You would need at the VERY least 3 inches of plate lead to protect you, that would be a very heavy moon-suit to wear, just to walk on the surface of that airless, dead planetoid! Hehehehe And the Apollo crew only had that thin gold foil to protect them in the dead of space, and walking around on the moon, how do you suppose that they did that?
It boggles the mind!
William
William your the first person I have known that has their own server farm!! 🙂 Man it’s not hard to get into trouble on L.A. freeways!! you should get the Silver Star for "Surviving Rush Hour Traffic" & "Not Wanting To Kill the Other Driver" I got stuck in traffic a few times (picked the wrong time to drive to L.A.) going to see my Uncle & Disney Land (took my sons when they were kids)….what a CF that was, next time I planed my timing better.
As for the Apollo Astronauts and the Van Allen Belt,The thought that radiation would kill the astronauts on their way to the moon rests on a misunderstanding of radiation in space. It is true that the sun can release intense bursts of radiation, but not all radiation is harmful. Radiation from the sun can be measured in terms of solar particle energies. These range in intensity. The low energy particles, which measure in the thousands of electron volts, can easily be stopped by a space-craft’s hull or a space suit. At the other end of the scale, the very high energy particles (over 1000 million electron volts) can pass right through a space-craft and the people on board without actually interacting with their body cells. The most dangerous particle energy level sits somewhere in the middle (in the millions of electron volts). During a solar flare, particles at all energy levels are produced and this can be very dangerous for astronauts. Fortunately, solar flares do not occur everyday and they do not send particles out in all directions.
An understanding of radiation in space shows us that an astronaut on a trip to the moon will not necessarily be exposed to dangerous levels of radiation. Of course, this is not to say that there are no risks. A solar flare in the wrong direction could do serious harm to an astronaut. But such flares are not everyday occurrences. Furthermore, being exposed to a high dose of radiation does not guarantee illness, cancer, or death. It merely raises the probability. It is possible for an astronaut to live a long healthy life after being exposed to radiation levels produced during a solar flare.
For the Apollo missions specifically:
1: The trajectory of the spacecraft was not a straight line between the earth and the moon. It was arced. They did this in order to avoid the densest area of radiation in the van Allen belts.
2: At the speed the capsule was traveling, the crew spent far less time inside the belts than the amount of time needed to give them a lethal dose.
3: There are different types of radiation, wave and particle. Wave radiation requires the most shielding, sometimes very thick shielding depending on the wavelength (for example, UV radiation is wave radiation, but can be blocked by a thin sheet of plastic like sunglasses, whereas gamma radiation requires several inches of lead). Particle radiation, in comparison, is much easier to shield against. Alpha particles can’t even penetrate the top layer of dead skin cells on the human body. Proton and Beta particles can both be shielded against using a centimeter or so High Density Polyethylene (HDPE). Plastic.
4: The Van Allen belts consist primarily of Proton Particle radiation, which, as noted above, can be effectively shielded against using HDPE plastic.
5: The Command Module was built using materials that could shield particle radiation
Summary: The mission was planned to go through the weakest, least dense section of radiation, in the shortest amount of time, with shielding built into the module. NASA spent a lot of time and money mitigating the problems presented by the radiation belts. The money was well spent.
And that Ladies and Gentlemen is how we did that!
To live on the moon is another problem, exposed to direct solar radiation 24/7 along with solar flares! as I see it the only way to survive on the moon would be to live under ground, that would provide good radiation protection! but the amount of supplies needed would be tremendous!! to say the lest, water, air, food and reliable power source…more then we can transport today. NASA has said there appears to be water found on the moon, that brings up several questions…1: what quantities? Unknown 2: Is the water contaminated (i.e. radiated)? Unknown 3: Can we even extract it? Not at this time. So it looks like it’s going to take Billions if not Trillions of dollars to find out and use it if we can.
As for the War causing NASA to stop man space flight! NOPE ComicsJoe you must to to young to remember the Apollo Program was running when the war in Vietnam was going! so money being drawn off for the war in Afghanistan is wrong! I would suggest you read the Federal Budget and see for your self. We currently have a Commander-In Chief that has no vision for NASA, and decided that the money NASA was spending on the Shuttle Program could be sent to other Government Programs i.e. Welfare, Social Programs anything other then NASA. Now we have to hitch hike with the Russians to get any of our Astronauts to the ISS…Pathetic!!
Scott
I’m only a newby (newbie???) and not even close to knowing where to find the "other sites." Can somebody have mercy on a Markie-Come-Lately? I’ve been too busy listening to 1920s jazz the last week …
Thanks for your consideration (as I used to say in all those job applications … Happy New Year (or as I say to the wife, Happy You Near)!
Mark
Mark’s Super Blog (http://markssuperblog.blogspot.com/)
Spock’s Record Round-Up (http://spocksrecordround-up.blogspot.com/)
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A month or so I got an email notice from my hosting service (no spceifics mentioned in this note because I don’t want to trip any automated "tripwires") saying that ONE of my postings contained copyrighted material. The email warning listed maybe thirty or more files (listed by their file addresses, for example "hostingservice.com.randomlettersandnumbersthatmake afile." So I copied-and-pasted each file address into a browser (because I was curious). ONE of those thirty or more files was indeed mine that I had been sharing. I take this to mean that the file hosting service waited until they had twenty or thirty files that had been complained about and then sent this same email to all the uploaders of those twenty or thirty files?
Again without being specific, my guess was that the rights to this material are owned by the same big conglomerate. The files weren’t all music or text and weren;t all about the same topic, or even properties all owned by that particular conglomerate (that I know of). My particular file was a compilation from several sources.
I went to my hosting service and on signing in got a warning notice referring to the file. What I did then was simply delete the file from the hosting service. Since then I have had NO other occurrences or complaints. The next time I signed in to my hosting service, all was fine as it had been before.
Maybe I didn’t have any more problems because I immediately deleted the files from the hoster (and from the blog post that was "complained" about).
I’ve continued with no problems on my hosting service (up- or downloading) and haven’t gotten any complaints saying they couldn;t get to any other files I’ve put up to share.
I’m just sharing this as a kind of "what happened to me" story.
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I have now finally obtained the scans of Fred Steiner’s article "The Music for Star Trek. Scoring a Television Show in the Sixties". This 24-page essay is a historical analysis of the scoring and tracking for the original series. It appeared in the book "Wonderful Inventions: Motion Pictures, Broadcasting, and Recorded Sound at the Library of Congress", ed. by Iris Newsom and was published by the Library of Congress, Washington, in 1985. (A shorter version of this article was published two years earlier in "The Quarterly Journal of the Library of Congress", under the title "Keeping Score of the Scores. Music For Star Trek", page 4-15).
This may be a nice teaser for the upcoming TOS CD box set, and, together with Jeff Bond’s book "The Music of Star Trek" and the new booklet from the box set, may answer many questions about the scoring of Star Trek.
Musicforstartrek.rar download – 2shared (http://www.2shared.com/file/wHIhG2PN/Musicforstartrek.html)
How can I read the file without downloading the "livid.exe" file? Did I miss a button?
Thanks
Mark
Mark’s Super Blog (http://markssuperblog.blogspot.com/)
Spock’s Record Round-Up (http://spocksrecordround-up.blogspot.com/)
Sorry, but I had to cut somewhere. I do hate leaving a man behind though. Check messages for my condolence card.
But, by far, the best that I had seen on Youtube was this:
Star Trek: "The Doomsday Machine" (Part 1 of 8) – YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9onOBZBR_k)
This is from a man named Scott Gamman, and he just had done fantastic work!
Check it out!
William
Thanks for that helpful tip!
William
But, by far, the best that I had seen on Youtube was this:
Star Trek: "The Doomsday Machine" (Part 1 of 8) – YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9onOBZBR_k)
This is from a man named Scott Gamman, and he just had done fantastic work!
Check it out!
William
CBS should have hired Scott Gamman to redo that episode, Scott did a terrific job so far!!!
Thanks William for the link.
Scott
[translation:] THANKS ever so much!
Mark
Mark’s Super Blog (http://markssuperblog.blogspot.com/)
Spock’s Record Round-Up (http://spocksrecordround-up.blogspot.com/)
Scott, I still got some 8mm TOS. I had the cranking, holding in light viewers, took the film out, spliced them together, and watched TOS on the wall. I even took some waxed paper and made the View Screen on my model Bridge work, by projecting the 8mm TOS scenes from the back (outside the model), and pretended I was on the Bridge in Space. Well for a teen, it was fun.
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8mm TOS? Hey, that’s real cool, isn’t it? I know what I’m speaking about, I’ve got 4 episodes on 8mm myself, imported from th U.K. to my country (Germany) in the early 80ies, before the VHS release! And they were VERY expensive for me back then (I was about 20 years old), had to earn some money before I was able to buy them! I had to choose which episodes and finally got "Shore Leave", "Tomorrow Is Yesterday", "Galileo Seven", and "Catspaw". (I still have them somewhere at my parents home, including the projector, which still works – but haven’t played them for a long time.)
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Thanks for that helpful tip!
Was that statement meant to be sarcastic, or was the tip from AZSneed really helpful?
In other words: were you able to finally download the Fred Steiner article I uploaded before? I know of some people who are unable to handle 2shared uploads, due to some heavy adware popups, so you may need some kind of blocker!
I you still have trouble with it, let me know, and I will try to upload the article elsewhere!
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I’m confused…and you can http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/46.gif all you want. I don’t see any clues in the list, and if there, why not list as such. We ARE http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/old.gif enough to know about bumpers, so it should be listed as such. Do the booklets give more info on the tracks to identify as such, stingers, bumpers and such?
The producers of this set have stated somewhere that there are no bumpers included. Bumpers were NOT part of the episodes themselves, were NEVER composed and/or recorded by the original production team, and therefore not part of the original 70 hour master tape collection which was the source of this release. The bumpers were produced later on, probably in the early 70ies, by some tv station, and added into the broadcast tape.
There are, however, some so called "stingers" on the set, which were produced in the original scoring sessions, partly for specific episodes, or as part of the library sessions. Some were used in the final soundtracks, other may have been left unused. If you read through the track list, you’ll see that the term "stinger" was used two times: Season 2 Disc 3, track 5: "Stingers/Giant Apollo", and Season 2 Disc 5, track 29: "Stingers" (= Library Music).
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I have a TOS music question, theres a cue in the Tholian web episode which takes place in most of the space scenes, anyone know what that cue is called? It’s first heard in the first Enterprise/Defiant exterior shot.
You probably are referring to the cue "Blackship tension", which was originally composed for "Mirror, Mirror" by Fred Steiner. You can find several versions of it on Season 2 Disc 3 (first in the scors itself, track 19, and then as part of the library music on that CD, track 41 and 42). This may also be a case of using music from an earlier season, which was not allowed according to union rules. "The Tholian Web" was a third season production, and to use the library cue "Blackship Tension" they normally would have had to record that cue again in the third season. They apparently used season 2 recordings.
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Well, we really need to get that last disc, just to get that alt version, and all of the home movies of Billy Blackburn!
William
I have the alternate pilot in several incarnations, including the BD version, and the quality is really stunning (as opposed to the crappy vhs version known from youtube!). I have also the ISO with the re-constructed version form the New Voyage producers mentioned elsewhere, which was done quite nicely a few years ago! (I also still have my VHS copy which was made available in the early 80ies!).
The Billy Blackburn home movies (all taped without audio, sadly) are also very interesting, and were already included in the earlier DVD release in the 90ies.
If there is interest, I could see if I’m able to share them somehow…
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You are correct! I noticed that all of that VS stuff is totally wrong, faster tempo, different key sometimes, and a pause in the music here and there where there was none in the original, almost like an afterthought, you know? Just going to have to get used to the originals all over again, but I must say that although they are a remake, I really like the arrangements on the "Planet X" versions, much better than the VS versions!
William
Well, that’s the way the composers tend to handle their scores if they choose to give them the re-recording treatment. The tempi are oftentimes different, mostly slower, because they are not bound by the moving pictures for synchronisation, and it’s their artistic choice to re-imagine their compositions, using bigger orchestras, slower tempi, different accents and so on. (Even Bernard Herrmann played his own Decca re-recording of his "Psycho" score waaay much slower than in his original scoring!) Sometimes it’s just a matter of preference: some like it better, some not. Fred Steiner may even have forgotten the original tempi he used earlier (I don’t think he re-watched the episodes before re-recording the music)!
Speaking of the "Label X" re-recordings, by Tony Bremner: they mostly are also slower ("Is There In Truth No Beauty?", for example). In this case, he even collaborated with George Duning, the composer himself, as far as the arrangement was concerned, so it may be even the composer himself who suggested a slower tempo!
All in all, I like all the Varese and Label X re-recordings, more or less, probably because they were all we had back in the 80ies, before GNP started the release of the original scores. It’s somehow like hearing a Mozart symphony with a modern orchestra: the original presentation by the maestro would be the best, but that’s not possible (except you finally are able to time-travel to the 1780ies and tape it!), so you stick with the re-creation of the music by the modern orchestras: some are good, others are different, may be to the worse, but all have something worthwhile to offer, in the true sense of IDIC! 🙂
The one thing I really like about Scott’s TOS Enterprise is the fact that he didn’t put all those patterns on the hull! Each section is smooth, and there are squares, but not like the remastered crap with that pattern, and not the botched up refurb job that Ed Miarecki did when he ruined the 11 footer! 🙁
Back in the early 70’s, I got several TOS bridge kits when they came out, since I was SO disappointed that the kit was only 80% of the bridge, not all the way around. I got the blueprints of the bridge at a convention, and also took several photos of a large, 5 foot bridge that some fellow had built, that was fairly close to the blueprints, which were later shown to NOT be accurate! I not only built the small AMT kit, and made it 360 degrees around, but corrected the viewscreen, the elevator door, and the command section, where the captain’s chair sat, looking a numerous photos that I could find at the conventions and wanted to make a completely accurate representation of the TOS bridge. I also added clear photos above each station, of space (slides that I bought at the Griffith Observator) and backlit them, using small xmas lights, and using optical fibers, I lit up the various sections of the different sections, and even lit up the lights on the captain’s chair as well! (which was a complete BITCH, as I had to heat up the fibers, and bend them to fit, without cutting down the light power)
When it was finished, it was something that my young self could be proud to display. So, I mounted the whole model on a 12X12X12 inch wooden box, and ran all the lights down there, and also added 4 speakers on the 4 corners of the box, for different sound effects. I had an old 8 track, that was "quad" (remember those?) so I was able to have 4 different sounds in the 4 speakers. At one of the conventions here in LA, in the late 70’s, I got a small corner of one of the tables my friend was selling stuff, and I put the model up there. People LOST their minds!!! I was SO pleased that people would realize the work that went into it!
In the mid-80’s, I had to dismantle the box, which was falling apart from moving around and such, so I just place the model on a flat 12 inch board, and concealed the lights behind plastic panels that I had cut out to place behind each section (with the big box, they were just sitting there, and you could see all the wires, and fibers, so I just extended the box sides up with some thin wood to cover that.) And then I found out that Gene Roddenberry had actually seen the model back in the day, from my friend Edward, who worked with Majel, so I gave the model to Ed, to forward it over to Gene. Needless to say, it NEVER got to him (won’t go into that now) very much like the Vader helmet that I tried to get to David Proust, never arrived!
Like I said before, with friends like these…….. 🙂
William
Scott
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Ah crap!! The Avengers Too!!! damn I loved that show…especially Emma Peel (Diana Rigg) got to love the BBC!
Thank God Terry Jones saved the master tapes!
What the hell is wrong with the BBC!! did they wipe the tapes to save money or what? I can’t believe they did that!! what a bunch of knuckle heads…they should find the idiot or idiots and put there head’s on the block.
Scott
Ah, well the Avengers can’t be blamed on the BBC, that was ITC (Lou Grades company), and as far as I’m aware, the missing episodes are the Honour Blackman stuff, so rest assured scotty, you can still get you fix of that gorgous woman known as Diana Rigg/Emma Peel :).
Problem with the BBC is it’s paid for by the peoplke, so they have to be accountable for every penny, and VT was exspensive back then 🙁 Still no excuse though.
William
sorry again
PCM
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HEY!!! That’s DAME Diana Rigg to you peasants! hehehehehe 🙂
William
That she is William and most deserved.
William, it is a shame about your Bridge model, I would have loved to see at least some photos. I read that they are going to re-release the model, I think this year.
I do believe, people that he is talking about a totally different WILLIAM! Hey, PCM, you have to be really CLEAR about things with the people on this board, or they will get the impression that you and I are SHACKING UP!!! Hehehehehe 🙂
No, Scotty, don’t even GO THERE! 🙂
William
No, Scotty, don’t even GO THERE! 🙂
William
Ahh crap!! you beat me to it!!!….(walking off head down)…"darn i never get to say anything funny"
Welcome Back Soundtrekker! hope you had a wonderful Holiday 🙂
Scott
If you don’t mind getting SMACKED! Hehehehehehe
🙂
William
sorry again
PCM
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That she is William and most deserved.
Your fine my friend!! take care of yourself! and get some rest.
Scott
Just a little Bond trivia, folks.
William
My favorite Bond is Roger Moore, and my first Bond on the big screen was Moonraker. I really went to see the Space Shuttle, but, don’t tell Bond I said that.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/devil.gif
William, go ahead and http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/smack-1.gif, I needed it.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/tears8.gif NOT SO HARD!
Make it so!http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/DtoE.gif
Also, to expand on William’s TOS comment…..
EXACTLY!!! Hehehehe:)
There are SO many things in the world today, that they didn’t have in the "23rd century"! I have to chuckle out loud, because back in the 60’s when TOS was on the air, a group of three doctor’s had tried to sue the studio and Gene Roddenberry, because they claimed that THEY had invented the diagnostic bed, and they were going to market and patent it!!! SO….. Where the HELL is it??? 🙂
I don’t know what happened to the lawsuit, I remember reading about it, but since they didn’t have any patent, must be that they didn’t have any BLUEPRINTS or designs to back up their claim, and it was thrown out of court, by a judge who happened to LIKE Star Trek, hehehehehe:)
BTW, AZSneed, what kind of word is "spellign"??? (See the post directly above, and look at the reason for editing! 🙂 )
William
As far as i am aware is that The avengers was made by ABC tv, a company that is not part of the itc cannon
Also as far as i am aware, the Honor Blackman episodes existed in "Negative" format and new masters had to be struck befor Channel 4 would show them (this is what i seem to remember seeing at the time of their discovery) or is "negative" the new word for "filmed off tv"
Just a little Bond trivia, folks.
William
The official word has always been that they DID ask Lazenby to come back. He refused. He admits to getting bad advice, but at the time he felt the Bond films were on the way out and he felt the one film was enough to propel him to stardom. The last thing EON wanted was to recast yet again. Also, Broccoli wanted David Niven and Cary Grant initially to play Bond. At least, according to all of the history I’ve read on the films.
Whatever "official" story that Lazenby tells, it conflicts with what Diana Rigg and Barbara Broccoli relate! So, who are you going to trust? Hehehehe
With all of the stories that have come down the pike from William Shatner’s direction, I would have hoped that you learned that you have to take everything from the Hollywood set with a giant grain of salt!! HEHEHEHHEHEHE 🙂
William
Well, I don’t generally 100% believe what anyone says about a movie 40 years after the fact. The official Bond books from the early 90’s, approved by Cubby Brocolli (with his interviews included), state George made his own decision and they were very disappointed. I don’t think Broccoli had anything to gain by taking the "weaker" position, so it always sounded plausible. With that in mind, if I’m gonna believe anyone, I’ll take the guy in charge at the time over his daughter (who was 9 when it happened) or an actress with an axe to grind. No offense your way at all, I’m just considering the source. Everyone loved and trusted Cubby – he was apparently a top class person. I haven’t heard the same reverence toward Barbara and Michael Wilson, honestly. Diana Rigg’s stories of that film have changed over time also.
As far as Trek stuff, you have a good point and I agree: I don’t trust ANYONE at this point. Especially crabby, unemployable actors after 45 years of embellishing and outright fabricating stories. Take Nichelle Nichols and Martin Luther King, Jr.; the story gets more elaborate with each telling. It started with her thinking about leaving the show and wondering "what would Dr King do?" and, over the decades, morphed into "he came backstage, said he was a Trekkie and begged me to stay." What’s next, she bared his love child and had Star Trek pillow talk? They’ve all got their own agendas.
Best thing to do is enjoy the films and shows and take all the behind the scenes stuff with a grain of salt. Or seven.
That was primarily why I wanted to point it out!
You, sir, are a CLASS act, 🙂
William
Make it so!http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/DtoE.gif
On a side note, there were actual plans once to build a full scale replica of the TOS movie Enterprise:
NOW IT CAN BE TOLD: THE (http://www.thegoddardgroup.com/blog/index.php/now-it-can-be-told-the-star-trek-attraction-that-almost-came-to-life-in-1992/)
Hehehehee, I just read that article, and I thought that was going to be like the other one, where they wanted to launch it into space. Lucky for them that they decided not to build the attraction as a large Enterprise, cause now, they would have to rip it all down. What a waste of money, more so than they already wasted on that attraction. I have a hard time believing that the Experience didn’t draw crowds and make money. Just unbelievable!
William
I never got to go to the Experience, I always wanted to. Either no money or no time. Now I’m just happy to read the stories here, better than a book.
We bought him the box set of audios, and if people want them then I’ll rip them and up them. the titles list are:
Judgement Day
Children of Steel
Wraith World
Deadly Download
The Shadow People
The White Wolf
The Ghost House
The Time Capsule
The Thirteenth Stone
Glittering Storm.
Is there any interest?
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I do believe, people that he is talking about a totally different WILLIAM! Hey, PCM, you have to be really CLEAR about things with the people on this board, or they will get the impression that you and I are SHACKING UP!!! Hehehehehe 🙂
No, Scotty, don’t even GO THERE! 🙂
William
Yeah, sorry William, was not really with it when I posted that though, but you did enjoy the Sarah Jane CD though didn’t you 😉 tee hee
William
Regarding, again, the unaired, alternative version of "Where No Man Has Gone Before" and other video treasures: I’ve been told by sanico, and rightly so, that video rips are not allowed to be posted here – it would open the gate for uncontrolled mayhem here, and we have to draw a line as to what people may share on this board! Now, if anybody wants to… well, discuss this with me, privately, he/she may p.m. me!
No problem… but only if the Klingons aren’t there!!! There’s a Klingon named Koloth, who uses the station for shore leave, and who has the impudence to resemble me. I don’t like him.
Tribbles, however, I don’t mind, as long as I don’t have to remove them! 🙂
William
642 now. We are doing some talking, and it is so enjoyable!
Tribbles, however, I don’t mind, as long as I don’t have to remove them! 🙂
Aye! thats my job…beaming them where they’ll be no tribble at all! 🙂
Scott
You do know that William (Shatner) kept some Tribbles, to keep himself in rugs.
You do know that William (Shatner) kept some Tribbles, to keep himself in rugs.
Thats a lot of tribbles laddie!! 🙂
I’d recommend Barbecuing the little buggers with a little scotch! hmmm hmmm good……another tribble on the Barbie! Who wants one??
Scott
NO! I do NOT wear a ‘Toup..’ never have, and NEVER will!!!"
And, you can take that to the bank, hehehehehehe:)
William
NO! I do NOT wear a ‘Toup..’ never have, and NEVER will!!!"
And, you can take that to the bank, hehehehehehe:)
William
Anyone have change for a penny!! lol
Scott
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Is the 15 CD set of original Trek music available for download yet? There’s no way I can afford to spend over $200. I’d even be thankful to get it without the liner notes (booklets).
Funny thing, I took the copy of "Where no man…" and watched the whole thing, without fast forwarding, or getting distracted by wife or kiddies, and I didn’t see any additionals at all, everything, every scene, every line, just as I remembered, but then again, I’m old, so……..:)
William
"…I can never forgive them for the death of my boy."
Oh, wait, no… that was Klingons…
Funny thing, I took the copy of "Where no man…" and watched the whole thing, without fast forwarding, or getting distracted by wife or kiddies, and I didn’t see any additionals at all, everything, every scene, every line, just as I remembered, but then again, I’m old, so……..:)
William
To see what’s the difference between the unaired pilot and the one as seen on tv just watch this youtube video (9:51 min):
STAR TREK 2nd PILOT Reconstructed – YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORBGSaBZynw)
It pretty much covers all the differences, which are mostly in the teaser, the main title and the end credits.
William
William
Well, you may know the story about a naked Kim Cattral ("Lt. Valeris") on the set of "Star Trek – The Undiscovered Country"):
"Cinefantastique reported that during filming, Cattrall participated in a photo shoot on the empty Enterprise bridge, where she wore nothing but her Vulcan ears. The story claimed Nimoy personally ripped up all of the photographs and negatives when he learned about the unauthorized photo session, because he feared harm to the franchise if it ever came to light." (source: wikipedia Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek_VI:_The_Undiscovered_Country#Cast) )
Maybe, something similar happened on the set of "Where No Man…" with Andrea Dromm (who played that awsome "chick" on the bridge). We’ll never know… 🙂
(BTW, according to imdb.com, Andrea Dromm was promised a continuing run on the series, but she declined. Instead, she chose to star in the movie "The Russians Are Coming, the Russians Are Coming" (USA 1966) and, one year later, in "Come Spy with Me", which was to be her last starring role in her career! After that, she went to New York to continue her modeling career. A true loss for Hollywood!!!)
I always find it amazing, when I do a Google search for "Andrea Dromm", that I get pictures of Buster Keaton (???), Bill Gates, any girl in a swimsuit, several porno actresses, and not ONE photo of Andrea as she looks today! I did find a couple of links:
Summer Blonde 1967 for Winter 2010 ~ Andrea Dromm (http://modsixties.5forum.net/t575-summer-blonde-1967-for-winter-2010-andrea-dromm)
The second one is pretty good.
They also had some pictures from "In like Flint" which I didn’t know that she was in, with all those women, so I went over to IMBD.com:
Andrea Dromm – IMDb (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0238249/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1)
NOTHING!!! Someone needs to fill out her profile for the fans to know what she is up to these days, and how "young" she looks, hehehehe
Well, I can DREAM can’t I? 🙂
William
William
Your will be done Sir! 😉
Scott
Also, on ST2, the constant drinking problem with Bibi Besch, and her daughter Samantha, who was constantly on the set, was also brought to the attention of the execs, as well as Nick Meyers, the director. It seemed that her daughter was getting any boy she wanted, just because her mommy was starring in a new TREK movie, and the rumor was (I know, rumors….) that after filming was over, mommy and daughter would grab a bottle of whatever, and take the boy of the day off for a night of fun! I never saw anything like that personally, and Bibi never approached me or anyone I knew, which is great since I don’t drink and don’t whore around (hehehe) and I sure as HELL wouldn’t fall for any little girl playing games like that with me! But I did hear from some of the crew that this was going on, and the execs had to get a handle on it! But in the bottom line, Bibi is dead now, and nothing to say about it, one way or the other. Just another "what if…" 🙂
William
…….http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/smack-1.gif…
On another note, I came across this picture of the 11 foot TOS Enterprise:
All sizes | Closeup Detail of Underside of Enterprise Saucer (1st pilot) | Flickr – Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/birdofthegalaxy/3645936240/sizes/l/in/set-72157619514479789/)
If you look closely at the underside of the saucer, you will see that there is a light deformed area, that really stands out in the detailing under there, the concentric lines on the underside are all wobbley, which was a problem with the shape of the actual model, getting hit by all those lights, and in all that heat, it deformed the poor baby. I would bet a year’s pay, that if you were to look at the underside of the ship, as it appears today, those deformed lines would NOT be there. Another rumor has it, that when Edward Miarecki was hired by the Smithsonian to restore the TOS-E, he wanted to do all the repair work "off site", so the only way he was allowed to remove any of the model was one piece at a time. One of the fellows that assisted him with the restoration work had said that Ed took the model and wouldn’t let anyone near it for over a week, not even for a little "look-see" which was most unusual! When the week was over, nothing whatsoever had been done to the saucer, in the way of getting ready to restore it. This person knew that Ed had made copies before, but didn’t really think that he would have done that to the original TOS Enterprise! (Why not? He’s a crook, and wants to keep the original, and give the museum back a copy?) Anyway, the same situatiom came about with the secondary hull and then with the nacelles! Each time, nobody was allowed to even look at them or could have access to Ed’s workshop for a week!
Stranger and stranger…..
William
On another note, I came across this picture of the 11 foot TOS Enterprise:
All sizes | Closeup Detail of Underside of Enterprise Saucer (1st pilot) | Flickr – Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/birdofthegalaxy/3645936240/sizes/l/in/set-72157619514479789/)
If you look closely at the underside of the saucer, you will see that there is a light deformed area, that really stands out in the detailing under there, the concentric lines on the underside are all wobbley, which was a problem with the shape of the actual model, getting hit by all those lights, and in all that heat, it deformed the poor baby. I would bet a year’s pay, that if you were to look at the underside of the ship, as it appears today, those deformed lines would NOT be there. Another rumor has it, that when Edward Miarecki was hired by the Smithsonian to restore the TOS-E, he wanted to do all the repair work "off site", so the only way he was allowed to remove any of the model was one piece at a time. One of the fellows that assisted him with the restoration work had said that Ed took the model and wouldn’t let anyone near it for over a week, not even for a little "look-see" which was most unusual! When the week was over, nothing whatsoever had been done to the saucer, in the way of getting ready to restore it. This person knew that Ed had made copies before, but didn’t really think that he would have done that to the original TOS Enterprise! (Why not? He’s a crook, and wants to keep the original, and give the museum back a copy?) Anyway, the same situatiom came about with the secondary hull and then with the nacelles! Each time, nobody was allowed to even look at them or could have access to Ed’s workshop for a week!
Stranger and stranger…..
William
You are right William (as usual) there is no warping on the underside and now it makes me think if the big E at the Smithsonian is the real one or not? After looking at pictures of the restoration job they did, it just makes me sick to my stomach on the paint job they give her! blue and green!! guess no one told them you can’t paint a filming model blue that sits in front of a blue screen! since blue is rendered BLACK after processing!! DOH!! if I’m not mistaken she was a light flat gray, which would cut down on all the glare from the studio lights, it appears most of the warpage is due from the internal lighting (at the time all they had was stranded incandescent light bulbs and Christmas lights) which goes to show you that the guys that built her were very ingenuous! it’s just sad to see the Big E looking like she came from a long voyage at sea instead of space. I’m surprised more people have not complained more about the paint job! it looks out of character and just plan dumb….
Scott
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Edward Miarecki…http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/gorn.gif….http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/klingone.gif
Then he should have known better then to give The Big E a green tint!! another knuckle head! even I know better then to do that to something that millions of people love, oh and lets not forget the turkey red bussard caps he first put on the model!! good grief…the guy should hang his head in shame…
Scott
I have never seen the Grand Lady in person, but, now if I did, I would have to http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/beatdeadhorse.gif Eddy boy…where did you say the line starts?http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/evillaugh.gif
I have never seen the Grand Lady in person, but, now if I did, I would have to http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/beatdeadhorse.gif Eddy boy…where did you say the line starts?http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/evillaugh.gif
neither have I, one day I hope to be able see it in person myself. Right behind me!!!
The tractor beam was at a normal power setting, I cannae help if that F-104 was put together by a bunch of monkeys 😉
One more thing before I forget….this is the same guy that added a rust ring around the top of the saucer section as while!!
Scott
Scott
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Then he should have known better then to give The Big E a green tint!! another knuckle head! even I know better then to do that to something that millions of people love, oh and lets not forget the turkey red bussard caps he first put on the model!! good grief…the guy should hang his head in shame…
Scott
You are in fact wrong. There are several articles by the person who painted the ship. I can try to google them. At least one was published in the defunct Trek magazine. The Enterprise hull color was in fact a blue/green mix. Very pale, but a blue grey nonetheless. Details were in various shades of green and greys. The bussard caps were red/maroon, and in the original pilot versions, solid red/maroon, as they too were made of wood. The spike at the front of each was copper, as was the deflector grid and the ring just behind it. The leading edge of the connecting dorsal was a darker color as well. The various grid square details on the engines were not black, but the hull color. The darker look was shadowing from the grid patterns. The end caps as well. The ends in the pilot models did not have the ball, but a series of holes. I speculate that was supposed to represent the output for the warp drive, but it is just my random thought. The production model had the ball caps, and were painted silver/white. The impulse engines of course did not glow red. The deflector grids on the top of the primary hull had very light grid lines, which were apparently drawn on in pencil. Of the four lit squares, only three were lit. A fourth was just white paint.
The Enterprise C, D, Voyager and Defiant were of similar colors. The main difference on the engines being the blue lit warp coils, and the coils behind the collectors a copper color. The E was various shades of grey. The refit was a patchwork of bare metal, grey, white etc, with blue and green patterns on the engineering sectins, leading edges of the warp pylons and leading edge of the connecting dorsal. A very medium teal in fact. The inside detail of the torpedo tubes and grills were all the same colors. The NX was of course a bare metal scheme. I shall now pop off to find articles. The pictures of the D and others at the auctions were confirm the later ships, but the original unfortunately was not one of them.
The A, was painted different from the original refit version. The A was painted a flat white. 🙂 😀 :awsm:
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Article for the D (I hope):
Probert turned his attention to giving the model its color, like his predecessor Jefferies had done with the original Enterprise. Probert had a specific goal in mind when deciding upon the color scheme, "When I did the Enterprise-D, in my attempt at easing the visual move into a new shape Enterprise, looking [at] a lot of footage of classic Star Trek and all of the Enterprise flybys, I specified the color to be very subtle shades of blues and greens." (Star Trek: The Next Generation USS Enterprise NCC-1701-D Blueprints, booklet, p. 8) Probert’s intent was to approximate the bluish hue as it was seen on screen in the original run of The Original Series:
"The fans were very concerned that we were replacing the original series. In order to soften some of that anxiety I wanted the two ships to be colored basically the same. Well, because of the low degree of technology compared to today, when the original Enterprise (which was actually a warm pearl gray) was filmed it picked up a lot of the blue spill [light used in the visual effects process] and therefore became bluish. What I did was indicate that the paneling of the D be painted in two shades of blue. One is a duck egg blue, and the other is kind of a sky blue, which is the base color the hobby kits are molded in. By mixing the two blues together I was hoping cinematically that there would be a close tie-in with the color of the original ship." (Star Trek: The Magazine Volume 1, Issue 16, p. 56)
The paneling Probert referred to, was the re-introduction of the "Aztec-paneling", the interlocking hull plate pattern on the saucer section, originally conceived for the Motion Picture Enterprise, in order to ease some of Visual Effects Producer Dan Curry’s concerns, "But when we photographed the big ship very smooth, we couldn’t tell the difference between it and a very small ship very smooth, because photographically, particularly on television and in order to create that sense of scale and hugeness, we needed three-dimensional relief, something to cast shadows." Eventually Curry’s concerns were only partially met due to time restraints. He further recalled:
"On the six-foot model, another two months would have gotten us the detail I wanted, but I had to be practical. We had to get the model photographed and into the show. Although the use of the blue and green paneling worked well, I also asked for more "weathering", to make the surface more believable, even though we’re reasonably sure that there’s no weathering in space, no grease stains, no oxidation like you would have have on an airplane. When you have a completed model like that and it’s painted and it looks pristine, it’s not believable because it’s pristine. It needs a certain patchiness to it, and the more detail you can get into a miniature, the more believable it’s going to look" (Star Trek: The Next Generation USS Enterprise NCC-1701-D Blueprints, booklet, p. 9)
Galaxy class injoke perpetuated onto AMT’s instructionsheet"Ugly" as seen on the instruction-sheet
The "hobby kits" Probert referred to was AMT/Ertl model kit No.6619 that was released within a year of the show’s first airing. AMT maintained close contact with the Art Department as their painting instructions proved to be highly accurate. A pre-production evaluation model was sent to the studio and ended up as display piece in various episodes (see below). How close this contact was, was evidenced by the fact that they unwittingly copied an in-joke one of the modelers performed on the studio model. Detailing the numerous panels onto the model was drawn-out and tedious work, and one of the modelers, no doubt in a mood of tediousness, arranged some of the panels to read "Ugly". Never discernible on screen, it was dutifully carried over onto AMT’s instruction-sheet. (Sci-Fi & Fantasy Models, issue 29, p. 54)
When Probert saw the first footage of the model shot under studio conditions, he was surprised that the result was the exact opposite of what he had intended. The intense studio lights blurred the color scheme into an overall gray color (as it did when still-photographed with flashlights; – see picture below of the "anti-time" variant of the four-foot model), ironically making the model approximate the appearance of the original Enterprise model as it was under flat-lit conditions. Though to date, no production confirmation has ever been forthcoming supporting the assertion, Probert has always been under the impression that this had been done on purpose, "For some unknown reason, however,… those colors were intentionally neutralized when the miniature was filmed, reducing it to the ranks of yet another gray spaceship. And this dis-coloring was perpetuated in subsequent movies." [2]. Nevertheless, this color scheme has been adhered to for the remainder of the series and has been carried over to the later four-foot model as well as to the contemporary Nebula-class studio model.
Probert has given a detailed overview of the colors he has used on his website, specified as follows:
Galaxy-class color scheme
Part PMS[1] Federal Standard[2] FS sample
Hull Green (paneling) 565 FS-24516 Galaxy class color choise
Hull Blue (base) 290 FS-15526
Navigational deflector Dish 166 FS-22246
Navigational deflector Housing 154 FS-10115
Lifeboat Covers 413 FS-36595 Galaxy class color choise (1)
Sensor Strips 278 FS-35450
Shuttle Bay Decks 430 FS-36270
Phaser/Photon Housings 423 FS-36307
Phaser Banks 455 FS-34201 Galaxy class color choise (2)
RCS Housings 616 FS-23564
Hull Lettering Blue 281 FS-25065
Insignia, other graphics, red 186 FS-21105
Front End-Caps 159 FS-22203 Galaxy class color choise (3)
Engine (serrated) Neck 130 FS-33538
Coil Gaps (between) 542 FS-35231
Power Coils Metallic Copper –
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Link to page. Interesting on the complete design and finishing process, with lots of pics: Galaxy class model – Memory Alpha, the Star Trek Wiki (http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Galaxy_class_model)
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Link to an interesting article on the TOS Enterprise. I cannot dl the pics, but would **love** to have them if anyone can.
I have as much of the Christy’s Auction photos as I could find, as research material, hell, any Star Trek FX model shots I can get I do.
The TOS 1701 link about is AWOL, I want it!
As for not downloading pictures, find a free copy of Screen Print Gold to download, and NEVER miss a picture, even if they say you can’t. I have used the program since the mid 90’s, and it is great. If a site says, I can’t download a picture, like the link William gave about, I just laugh, and save it.
The large Enterprise-A. Sold for $240,000 !
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As you can see, very detailed pics. Also, note that as I said, the A has been changed from the bare metal look to a flat white.
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The ring is on the ship, and I STILL don’t know why they call it a RUST RING!
Yes, the ring is there. It is a **very** light rustish color and seems to fade towards the back of the primary hull, and appears to be lacking totally by the impulse housing.
The colors were a flat finish a light grey color (Concrete gray) with a light tint of green. Not to be a pain Amanda but you forgot the type of film stock they used back in 1965 "Film stock, especially Ektachrome-based 35mm film stock used in the mid to late 60’s had a blue bias (like 35mm camera film it usually has a bias towards the color of the box it comes in, i.e. Agfa/orange, Fuji/green, Kodachrome/yellow, etc.); so if the Enterprise looked blue from the bluescreen (enough to influence Andrew Probert to give homage to the classic Enterprise by making the 1701-D duck egg blue), AND by the film bias then It’s blue for those reasons, and I can see how this Concrete color would absorb the blue biases easily" this from Richard Datin one of the original builders of the TOS model (11 footer).
As I said before there was NEVER a rust ring on the top of the saucer section! or any ring what so ever…that was added by Edward under the assumption of what conditions he found the model after sitting in a crate in a Paramount warehouse for about 11 or 12 years (before it was donated to the Smithsonian in 1974) collecting a lot of dust, ware and tear of bring used, heated up and cooled down…it’s a miracle that the 11 foot model survived at all. If you get a chance you should see the photos of what the model looked like when the Smithsonian first got it! what a mess…
There where no grid lines, the haul was smooth (that detail was added again by Edward) because he found pencil marks on the model, those guys that built the model did not add any grid lines because Matt Jeffries did not put them in his drawings! why? 1: no one thought of adding that kind of detail, 2: they could not build a model with that kind of detail in the 60’s…plus it would not have shown up on film anyway! just like the underside markings did not.
As for the Enterprise D that is a different animal all together! a whole new Era in Special Effects, new film types, lighting, model building, model lighting, blue screen/green screen, motion control camera rigs and camera’s.
Scott
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a pain? a hurt? a but? A Butthurt!!! 😀
I did not forget about the film’s affect. The same thing happens to later ships, even in the movies. They all appear grey on screen. I personally go for the studio model look when building, as opposed to the on screen look, but that is just a personal preference. I do not, however see proof of the ring, though many art images show it, and it is referenced long before the restoration. So about that, I dunno.
The Small Enterprise A, used for distance shots and so has a less detailed paint scheme. Notice the obvious discrepancies in detail, form and proportion. This is because it was built from the AMT model, which is..err..quite inaccurate. :erm: Notice the lettering is the decal set, and is left glossy, with no clear coat. This sold for $42,000.
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And here are the larger engineering and torpedo sections with battle damage, and the blown up ship, from Star Trek III. Sold for $40,000.
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That’s it for the A for now.
I will note that the cgi Enterprises are done in greys. And the model for DS9 was grey, though it DID have very clear grids and a light aztec pattern, so go figure. Whenever I have built an original Enterprise, I have always used greys, with the main hull a light ghost grey. I choose it so it is as close to white as I can, and then all other greys will contrast.
As for painting the TOS 1701 model kit, suggestions made by others, to add blue or green to the gray paint, if the modeler wanted to match a scene from TOS, modeler’s choice. I prefer for it to be gray, not rust ring, and no grid lines…it is MY model, and I WILL do it my way.
Scott
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Yes it is your model and you can paint it anyway you want to…sorry if I upset you or anyone else for that matter.
Scott
Here is the link. It is clear that these were THE model from the time, I think. Either way, way before the replica.
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Something is not right in these pictures…the 11 foot model did not have a side mount, all it ever had was a bottom support pole and was suspended from a wire which entered the model in-between the impulse engine vents. For the series production version, this hole became a black ???window???, or, possibly, remained an actual hole. The port side was unfinished because that is where the power cords ran down the dorsal into the secondary hull and then down through the support pole, and why we never saw that side of the ship. Check out the photo from the Smithsioan here Starship Enterprise Model from Star Trek TV Series – on display in the National Air and Space Museum Store (http://airandspace.si.edu/visit/concessions/shops/enterprise.cfm) it’s still on the original support, just aft of the senor dish…here is a photo of the model being filmed filming Star Trek – the 11-foot U.S.S. Enterprise model and the "S.S. Botany Bay" | Flickr – Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/retroweb/3825902991/) no where is there a side mount. I suspect these pictures are from Master Replicas Enterprise Studio Scale Model. Check out this youtube video of the 11 foot model, it shows both port and starboard sides The U.S.S, Enterprise at The Smithsonian Museum – YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkiFeVdA08M)
Scott
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Yes it is your model and you can paint it anyway you want to…sorry if I upset you or anyone else for that matter.
Scott
Scott, I personally am not upset. I enjoy the discussions about the ships. Perhaps during the restoration they covered the side mount’s hole. We should check the shots in the crete, see what they show. As far as I have read, these types of discussions get hotly discussed on many boards. I think for TOS it is gonna have to be personal choice. Were I ever to get the big Polar Lights one, I think I would rather go with the on-screen look also.
As for the stand for the 11 footer, every shot of it I have seen, was mounted from below.
Wait a minute, I guess that I’m not upset!
Sorry about the rant, hehehehehe 🙂
Anyway, folks, I can tell you from PERSONAL experience exactly what color the original "Big-E" was, since I had a conversation with "Matt" Jefferies about that very same subject. I had to contact Matt about something unrelated, and told him that there was a HUGE debate over what color of grey the hull was. Matt was always a big airplane nut, and he even had a small personal airplane at Van Nuys. He said that the color was a custom job of grey, green and blue, but if I wanted a spray paint over the counter to as close as anything, I could go to any hobby store (at that time) and buy a can of "Pactra" hobby spray paint called "Aero grey" or "Aero blue", one of the two. So, I went to my local hobby store (in Van Nuys, a BIG place) and I bought every single can of that color of Pactra paint they had, and put in an order for another 10 cans. I went home and the first chance I got, I painted my AMT TOS Enterprise that I had spent alot of time correcting, so it would look just like the original. The color is mostly grey with only a "whisper" of really light blue! No green color was seen at all. I had ordered some new decals from a company back east, who made the correct decal sheet, and I wanted to make sure everything was correct. Matt had also given me advise on the detailing. He said that (unlike Ed’s modifications) the only detailing on the saucer section were the lines on the underside. NO panel lines, the top was totally smooth, and no holes on the underside where the phasers were shown firing from. No photon torpedo holes either, completely smooth!
Now, as a fan, and a big technical person when it comes to TREK, I really like the idea of panel lines, like what Scott Gamman had done on the top of the saucer, it’s logical to have them there (no pun, please). But the way that East coast Eddy did it was just God-awful, and he really needs to be taken out and flogged! I have not see a closeup of the underside of the saucer from that angle to see if the deformed lines are still on the model on display, and I hope that someone can get a closeup shot of that starboard side for comparison. But since Eddy had made a copy of the 6 foot Galactica from the old show, and sold it as an original, it would not be too hard for him to do that with the TOS Enteprise.
Commenting on the Ent-A photos here, and the auction shots. Greg Jein had gotten into trouble with Paramount when they found out that he was making copies of the "A" and selling them to his friends in Toyko, for big bucks. They yelled at him with all sorts of formal legal crap, and then turned around and had him produce a BUNCH of copies of the "A" and "D" as well as other models, which the studio sold to "Planet Hollywood" as ORIGINALS! I later found out that the majority of original items on display were all copies, most of them coming from "Profiles in History" who have a fantastic reputation for selling totally original and verified hollywood props and costumes, most of which are NOT! 🙂
Now, the small section of the Enteprise with battle damage displayed there for auction, that is NOT the original! The original was massive, over 5 feet long, which was used for the closeup from ST2. That model, you can see is not even half that size. There was a model of the sleeper ship that Khan and his crew were in, on display and for sale, and it was only about 3 feet long. Well you can see in comparison with the 11 foot model, that the sleeper ship had to be 5 to 5 1/2 feet long! There is no way that little ship was original, even though it came with a letter signed by Richard Arnold, stating it was the original!!!
I have also seen letters from Mike Okuda and Rick Sternbach claiming the props were original, when I knew they were not! So, who are you going to believe. The original TOS "captain’s chair" that was sold for about 300,000.00 was NOT original, and you can tell from the pictures on the auction. It should have had holes in the front of the arms, where Kirk would hit a button to call Scotty. The one on auction had no such hole, and the description said that no repairs had been done, keeping it completely original. Those buttons, and the lights under the panels went down at least one inch, where you would need a square cut into the arm. There was no hole cut there! And that chair came with a letter signed by Herb solow, stating it was the original!!!
There is so much fraud going on here, people. You just don’t know what is real and what is not!
End of rant! Hehehehehe 🙂
BTW: here are some very RARE shots of the TOS bridge:
All sizes | filming Star Trek – Enterprise bridge plaque – another take | Flickr – Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/retroweb/3860423441/sizes/o/in/set-72157622094746486/)
All sizes | filming Star Trek – Enterprise bridge turbolift alcove | Flickr – Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/retroweb/3862460288/sizes/o/in/set-72157622094746486/)
William
On another topic, Amanda, I hope you can help me. I had a VERY nice 8X10 color photo of the TOS Engineering stage, that I had sent to William McCullars for his IDIC page, and it never found it’s way back to me. I did notice that he had posted a copy of that photo on his site, but I never downloaded a copy of that. It was a nice FAN taken shot of the whole set, with wood in the ceiling and production lights, etc. I was hoping that perhaps you had gotten a copy of that shot!
I have searched all over, but apparently the IDIC site is gone, and so is the backup archive site as well! 🙁
Please let it be in your massive collection somewhere…..
Thanks, William
The extra damage was from Kirk, and a Phaser II, in a spacesuit. As he was shooting, he kept yelling…Damn you Khan, damn you Khan….
Speaking of, if ou will indulge me, here are some of my meager attempts at matching colors…
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The K’Tinga class Klingon Cruiser. I added many extra "greebles" here and there including all disrupter canons. No decals for this, all my paint job.
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And just for kicks and giggles, some of my misc models, including the **spectacular** Fine Molds Millennium Falcon.
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So I kind of mix the on-screen hull color with the studio models color accents. By the way, the federation hull color closely matches Duck Egg Blue, but it is a bottle only color…
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Enjoy
Scott
Also, what I collected from IDIC were of the model shots. If it is there, share.
Also, what I collected from IDIC were of the model shots. If it is there, share.
Thank You!! that site was great 🙂 a ton of pictures wooohooo
Scott
The IDIC Page – Gem Kirk 6 (http://web.archive.org/web/19990219224912/http://members.aol.com/WMccullars/GemKirk6.html)
There were so many that didn’t have pictures and/or descriptions, but this was the one that I was looking for. Pity that of all of them, this one didn’t have the picture to go with it, but at least it was there, at one time! Perhaps it will show up. I’ll have to go thru the rest of those pictures, since Bill sometimes put the same photo in two different places. Thanks alot.
William
TOS Caption Contest #151: Early Bird Special – The Trek BBS (http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=108218)
I really liked the funny captions that they put on Janice Rand’s room number sign! A small piece of trivia, the NBC execs didn’t like the idea of Captain Kirk having a "Captain’s girl" as they referred to Rand, and they wanted Gene to have a male in that role, which really led to another problem with a "Captain’s BOY" hehehehehee! 🙂
After seeing what Amanda pointed out about the scale of the shuttlecraft, I started watching some of the TOS episodes, and watched carefully for errors, which there were many, at least one per. I also found out that Mike Okuda was the exec producer of the "restoration" and oversaw every aspect of the new DVDs! So, I wondered why a self proclaimed "Star Trek GURU" like Mr. Okuda, who should be really knowledgable about such things, would let any of this horrible footage get past him, and onto the DVD production! Apparently, he was more concerned with getting the MONEY from the job, instead of sitting down for 40 hours of video footage, and checking every single minute of the restored footage, which is something that I would have done, to be sure.
A person’s greed always comes to light, no matter what!
William
Behind the scenes: When a fan visited the set – The Trek BBS (http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=199423)
Enjoy, William
I was looking at a assembly manual for some aftermarket parts I bought for the 22" cut away AMT model, and found this history account of the re..screw…you know what was done to the 11 foot model. Any thoughts on the account, if true or not.
"A second restoration has been done in 1991 for a major Star Trek exhibit at the Air & Space Museum. Enter Ed Miaercki, a
prop maker for ST: TNG he accompanied Michael Okoda the series art director to a Star Trek convention in Maryland.
During a lunch Okoda introduced Ed to Ken Isbell of the Smithsonian. During which Ed made the off the cuff comment
"When are you going to restore the Enterprise?" starting a series of discussions which resulted into a contract to restore
one of the most famous props in history.
After Ed presented his credentials to the curator at the Smithsonian and inspected the model, it was shipped covertly
to Ed’s workshop in Springfield, Massachusetts and delivered in the dead of night from a huge step van. Only a few
people knew of the restoration and a security system to the shop was installed.
The ship was pretty well beat up from 25 year of neglect and abuse. After the series was canceled the model sat in the
Paramount prop department for years until groups of college students used it at "Trek" parties. The Smithsonian
obtained it in very poor condition in 1974.
Ed started into the project, he first consulted with Matt Jeffries the old series Art Director and a Homer Jensen one of the
builders for the Howard Anderson company. Hon1er was 82 years old when interviewed but managed to remember back
27 years. With information and film clips, the assembled crew of local modelers with the assistance from a few from
California started in. "The whole project was a dream come true, and a lot of fun," Miarecki said.
Ed started by taking it apart and inspect it to see how it was constructed, and to gather information on original paint
colors. Most of the model is constructed of wood like a piece of furniture. The only major plastic piece is the primary hull
which was vacumformed and fitted to a wooden frame. Afterthe model’s "superstructure" was rebuilt, an all new
electrical/electronic system was installed by an electronics team then new paint was applied and "weathered" to the
conditions filmed in the series third and final season. The Smithsonian exhibit opened on Feb. 28, 1992 to the public. Their
are no plans to restore it for another 50 years so Ed Miarecki’s accomplishments will have to stand for some time."
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here is the link The IDIC Page – ’91 Enterprise (http://web.archive.org/web/20041204141800/http://members.aol.com/IDICPage/Enterprise1991.html)
Just a little bit different story, but no big deal….
Scott
btw Amanda you did a wonderful job on those models…you should be proud of your work.
On the Polar Light 1/350 TOS 1701, they added light recessed grid line to the model, under a lot of protest.
On the Polar Light 1/350 TOS 1701, they added light recessed grid line to the model, under a lot of protest.
Yeah I read that, they said (Polar Lights) that they found an indication (again I assume) from the TOS 11 foot model that Matt Jefferies was going to have the grill behind the "Control Reactor" (Inboard Warp Unit’s) light up! when the ship was to go to warp, but the budget would not cover the expense? might have looked really cool! maybe blue in color (what they use currently) or maybe purple!! first I have heard of that!!
Scott
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When I saw that for the first time, I couldn’t believe how much they ruined it.
It almost looks as if it was made out of paper thanks to that horrible paint job.
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Getting back to the 15 CD set, Personally I don’t need 320. First of all, they take too long. Even on a fast connection. Then, my old ears usually can’t tell the difference. I wonder if there are any available out there at a lower bit rate?
As for our phantom grid lines….they **are** there on the 11 footer originally. The bottom of the saucer had a series of concentric grooves, but no deflector grids. The top of the saucer did have the grid, but it was done in pencil, and would never have shown up on scree with the film and tv tech of the time. The saucer rim, secondary hull and warp engines were smooth. In fact, on the pilot versions, even the shuttle hatch is smooth, as they had not written that in yet. 🙂
Now that you mention it, I do remember the grid. It’s just that Mr Ed made it so much more pronounced as to make it downright ugly. Thanks for the reply. 🙂
Jim
I think the pronounced grid lines first started appearing in the schematics? Making Star Trek et al? Became sort of cannon after that. Of Course, those prints also give phaser "bumps" to the saucer, and label windows on the top as torpedo launchers. All of which I can forgive, since original fx footage was more than a little vague about what was coming outta where.
I surmise that when the refit was designed, many of these now canon features made their way into the new design and have since been cemented. Much as the "new" aztec hull pattern is now applied to the 1701….
No apologizes are necessary Amanda! anyone with a tad of commonsense knows that a ship the size of the Enterprise (945 feet long) was not made out of one solid piece, not even Aircraft Carriers today are made that way, but no one at the time TOS was originally on the air, ever envisioned that it would become such a phenomenal success with such staying power! almost 50 years and have such an impact on our daily lives!! it’s unheard of…and it all came from a handful of people….just amazing!!!
On space weathering, one would assume it does happen! but since we as humans only have experience with Earth/Lunar areas and zero experience with deep space travails who really knows! I would guess the reason Federation ships look so clean would be the Deflector Dish moving whatever particles, cosmic rays & radiation out of the ships path! either that or Starfleet has a very big car wash somewhere 😉
Since Starfleet is based after the US Navy, every ship Captain is ultimately responsible for his/her ship! I am sure we have all seen news story’s about a US Navy sub or ship that got grounded or ran aground…and the Captain was relieved of command! you can bet your last buck he/she was never given command of another ship again and their career in the Navy was over with. I would assume the same thing for Starfleet…the only way I can see a Captain never bumping into anything would be computer’s!! either that or they have on hell of a collision insurance policy!! In Star Trek Generations when Captain Harriman in command of the Enterprise B could not figure out what to do to rescue the El-Aurian people I about lost it!! who was the knot head that put him in command? and then to top it off he losses one of Starfleet’s greatest Capitan’s!! the man should have been relieved of command, court-marshaled, and dishonorably discharged from Statfleet. If we want reality watch the news…it still was a good movie!
Scott
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I wonder why this Ed guy painted all those lines on it. I understand his excuse was that he saw the lines in old photos. Interesting no one else saw them. Also everyone that has ever worked on it has never touched the top of the saucer. Ed was told to do the same. Obviously he didn’t listen because you can clearly see the lines he air brushed on the top. And since the top never had those ugly lines, that negates his excuse for adding them. I was there years ago and saw it befor he messed it up. I have no desire to see it again. If we have to wait 50 years for another restoration, I’ll be dead. (I’m 57).
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Getting back to the 15 CD set, Personally I don’t need 320. First of all, they take too long. Even on a fast connection. Then, my old ears usually can’t tell the difference. I wonder if there are any available out there at a lower bit rate?
Right behind you!! being 55 I’ll never see it restored to it’s glory either! after seeing that green color Ed painted it, I’ll be happy remembering what it looked like on the TV screen.
Scott
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Now, it was mentioned this was solely based on damage and weathering on the original when uncrated. Said "damage" is here:
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A closer look at the "ring":
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However, here is an almost identical shot and angle int original footage from The Doomsday Machine:
Same ring, same weathering. So I figure it’s personal choice, but it may be there. Certainly, claims that the top saucer were left as is are plausible to me.[COLOR="Silver"]
Scott
It looks like you need another session in Doctor Donald Cory’s Rehabilitation chair.
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The grid lines are faint but distinct. The "rust" ring is clearly visible, and seems to be a distinct section of panels, uniform in size, but fading towards the ends..
Here is the Restoration, supposedly preserving the saucer top as was:
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Here is a shot of original footage that seems to support this.
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I had a good shot of it from The Doomsday Machine that showed it clearly, but PB seems to have derped it…:(
Anyhoo, here’s the thing. The pilot version of the 11 footer is smooth and sleek, no grid, no ring, though some say you can see faint grids here:
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And Pilot/production comparison:
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The daylight shots seem to resolve color debates to me. As do the ones of the 3 footer:
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Soooo…yea. I have a lot of the 11 footer now. Pretty cool. Do you all want me to try and post it all again? I dunno what happened to them. Photobucket switched to a "new Look" and it got all fracked….
Also, if you ever wanted to make your own tricorder or phaser, or (in this case) your own communicator, here is a GREAT site to give you all you will ever need to make one:
HeroComm – Home Page (http://www.herocomm.com/Home.htm)
Better grab them FAST! Because you never know what’s going to happen tomorrow!!! 🙂
Oh, and before I forget (Hey, I’m OLD, okay? :)) I was at a convention in the late 80’s, and I met a woman, who came up to my table, looking at some displays from STTNG that I was standing at, and talking to people about the new show, etc. Come to find out that this was the person who had gotten custody of the original shuttlecraft! "Daddy" had known Gene Roddenberry, who GAVE the shuttle to this man, due to the fact that he had a child who loved the show. The shuttle was transported to the man’s house, parked in front, moved to the side of the house, and found it’s way to a storage unit, where it sat, lonely and abused by weather, and ignored by it’s "owner". This young person joined a commune up in Oregon, had a name change to "Parivarto" (Seriously???) and also had a sex change, becoming a woman. When she approached my table, I thought that I was meeting perhaps the ugliest female on the face of the planet! Another dealer came running up to me, behind the table, pointed at the lady, who was talking to other people, and said to me "Dude! That’s the guy who got his penis cut off!" I turned to look at the dealer (He was using the name "James T. Kirk" at the time) and said "You’re a real CLASS act, Jim! He smiled and walked away. That’s when Parivarto saw me, and came over to talk to me. She reached in her purse and pulled out a TOS communicator. Smaller and thinner than the TV versions, sleeker and the gold grill fit flush with the top of the outside. Totally inaccurate, but it was the most beautiful communicator I had ever seen! She would not let me hold it, and insisted that I not tell anyone about it! Really whack, and really mental, but it was a very impressive communicator, all the same. The other communicator that I saw, was made from wood grain plastic, vacuformed to the shape, and had gold trim instead of silver. It was made by David Heilman, who later built the DS9 station model. I should have insisted that he sell me the communicator, because it was so rare, but I didn’t. He said that it was supposed to be an "Admiral’s communicator"!! That was my two communicator stories! 🙂
William
Also, did I see someone post a link to the two LABEL-X Star Trek TOS music cds?? my tracks are pulled from the records, and I totally forgot. If someone can point to where those links are, I would greatly appreciate it! 🙂
William
…..not sure why, but I seem to be on a Lt. M’Ress kick….?
On space weathering, one would assume it does happen! but since we as humans only have experience with Earth/Lunar areas and zero experience with deep space travails who really knows! I would guess the reason Federation ships look so clean would be the Deflector Dish moving whatever particles, cosmic rays & radiation out of the ships path! either that or Starfleet has a very big car wash somewhere 😉
Since Starfleet is based after the US Navy, every ship Captain is ultimately responsible for his/her ship! I am sure we have all seen news story’s about a US Navy sub or ship that got grounded or ran aground…and the Captain was relieved of command! you can bet your last buck he/she was never given command of another ship again and their career in the Navy was over with. I would assume the same thing for Starfleet…the only way I can see a Captain never bumping into anything would be computer’s!! either that or they have on hell of a collision insurance policy!! In Star Trek Generations when Captain Harriman in command of the Enterprise B could not figure out what to do to rescue the El-Aurian people I about lost it!! who was the knot head that put him in command? and then to top it off he losses one of Starfleet’s greatest Capitan’s!! the man should have been relieved of command, court-marshaled, and dishonorably discharged from Statfleet. If we want reality watch the news…it still was a good movie!
Scott
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Right behind you!! being 55 I’ll never see it restored to it’s glory either! after seeing that green color Ed painted it, I’ll be happy remembering what it looked like on the TV screen.
Scott
It’s been suggested in written fiction that Captain Harriman’s father, who was a somewhat influential admiral at the time, was largely responsible for the Enterprise-B’s not being ready for full service at the time of the publicity cruise.
Also, did I see someone post a link to the two LABEL-X Star Trek TOS music cds?? my tracks are pulled from the records, and I totally forgot. If someone can point to where those links are, I would greatly appreciate it! 🙂
William
Not the links from here you’re looking for, but from another source (lossless, wv-format!):
Label X Re-recording Vol. 1:
https://rapidshare.com/#!download|919p6|348876901|VA-ST-V1_LXCDWv_.rar|194284|0|0
Label X Re-recording Vol. 2:
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They seem to be working.
Soundtrekker
EDIT:
And this is the ffshrine link you were looking for, with another link (in flac, this time!):
(BTW, the year of release for the two Label X re-recordings is 1985, not 1995!)
William
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Just enough to make a person cry!!
Scott
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Incredible!! What a waste. What a shame. I’m guessing the Roddenberrys weren’t Trekkies>
Just as far as the money went.
Scott
https://hotfile.com/dl/189434990/1a29877/star_trek_promo.movie.mp4.html
It’s something that I’ve been playing with, trying to make it look better than the one over at YOUTUBE!!!
Enjoy, William
https://hotfile.com/dl/189434990/1a29877/star_trek_promo.movie.mp4.html
It’s something that I’ve been playing with, trying to make it look better than the one over at YOUTUBE!!!
Enjoy, William
Thanks, William, that’s really cool! I love this early promo painting. I still have the first volume of the James Blish novelisations with this poster on it (U.S. Bantam issue)! Of course, I own ALL of the Bantam Blish issues! 😉
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"Lincoln Enterprises" I bought many film clip frames from them. Positive images that could be mounted in half frame slide mounts. They were advertised as being the actual film that ran through the cameras while they filmed the show. But when the DVD transfers were made, it was said they went back to the original camera negatives. Any one know which is correct? Thanks
William
According the TrekToday there was an auction in 2003 "On April 26th, 2003, Profiles in History will auction memorabilia from classic science fiction movies and shows, including the helm console from Star Trek’s original Enterprise, formerly on display at the Smithsonian Institution in Washington, DC." here is the link for the article TrekToday – Upcoming Auction To Include NCC-1701 Helm (http://www.trektoday.com/news/010403_04.shtml)
I’m surprised that any of these sets survived! I figured once the show was canceled they were torn apart and sent to a dump….go figure.
Scott
You have to also remember, people, that all of the original sets, costumes and props were really BAD looking in person. I have seen several original items, and they just looked horrible. When Majel said that she used the original costumes to wax her car, I remembered seeing an original Chekov tunic once, on display, and I couldn’t believe how poorly put together it was. The fans are making MUCH better looking copies than the original, both in costumes and in props, MUCH better! 🙂
That’s just my two cents, because (as the JHfan man says) I just LOVE to talk! Heheheheheh 🙂
William
Also, in "Shore Leave", in one of the shots, you can actually see telephone poles in the background, way up on a hill! I don’t have a screengrab, but the site that I was on, said if you check the video, you can clearly see them!
Enjoy, William
EVERYTHING from Forbidden Planet was used over and over in the old TWILIGHT ZONE series.
The computer in DESK SET was reused on VOYAGE TO THE BOTTOM OF THE SEA.
Old programs were not thought to have any life… the same with old films… hence studios cannibalized past productions for future efforts.
When they made the film SERENITY they had to recreate the TV series sets from stills. Gilmore Girls was filmed on the same street set used for KINGS ROW.
Speaking of which – have they destroyed the actual flying saucer model in INVADERS episode or did they make another one?
Thank You Amanda for all your effort and time spent on this project! a well deserved hug and even bigger THANK YOU!
Scott
I have done a little search on the model from "The Invaders" and found nothing about it or what happened to it!! as for QM Productions was sold three times before="Republic and CBS Television Studios own ancillary rights to all of QM’s library except Twelve O’Clock High (owned by 20th Television), Banyon and The F.B.I. (the latter two of which are owned by both the Martin estate and Warner Bros. Television), with CBS Television Distribution handling TV distribution and Paramount Home Entertainment/CBS DVD handling DVD distribution." Howard Anderson Company did the SFX for the show, but I doubt they would keep the model after the show was canceled, so for all we know it may be sitting on someone’s coffee table, setting in a warehouse at MGM or sadly it is gone forever!
Scott
Scott
No, no, no. Not the TV show. An episode of Twilight Zone that has the same name. They reused the flying saucer model from Forbidden Planet and at one point the main character of the story destroys it with a hatchet:
Here’s the whole episode:
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It’s The Twilight Zone – 1959 – Season 2, Episode 15: "The Invaders"
Scott
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No, no, no. Not the TV show. An episode of Twilight Zone that has the same name. They reused the flying saucer model from Forbidden Planet and at one point the main character of the story destroys it with a hatchet:
Here’s the whole episode:
The Twilight Zone – 1959 – Season 2, Episode 15: The Invaders – TV & Reclame Gratis video filmpjes – 123 video.nl (http://www.123video.nl/playvideos.asp?MovieID=837128)
Three miniatures were used, of 22 inches, 44 inches, and 82 inches in diameter, and costing an estimated $20,000. The largest miniature, constructed of wood, steel, and fiberglass, which contained the internal motors for the ramps, central pedistal, and red neon engine light, weighed 300 pounds.
According to Wikipedia "MGM sold off the large miniature during the large MGM studio auction in 1970, but there was no record of who bought it. In 2008 a North Carolina man, who had bought the prop and stored it in his garage and hadn’t realized its market value, finally put it up for auction. It was sold for $78,000" who knows what happened to the other two!
Hope this helps…
Scott
William
There never actually was a full sized saucer from The Invaders; just the legs were constructed. The rest was put in optically for those shots where actors had to mill about the outside of the ship.
William
The gang ramp of the ship from Forbidden Planet was used in many Twilight Zone eps- notably TO SERVE MAN.
Also, as far as Star Trek TOS is concerned, a great many of the actors, directors, etc. rolled into the series by way of THE OUTER LIMITS. The final, and greatly abysmal, episode from TOL featured a giant amoeba- later redressed for Star Trek as acid burrowing creature.
"Ray Noble Goodnight Sweetheart" he was the original singer of that song from 1931 and TOS just reused it! now that your decades old quest is over….any more questions? 🙂
Scott
Scott
I always thought it was the lawyer guy from Court Martial! (Elliot, something Junior…?)
Elisha Cook Jr. was the name. But as far as I know, he never performed this song. His only credits as a singer were from the movie "Tin Pan Alley" (1940), where her performerd "You Say The Sweetest Things Baby" and "Good-Bye Broadway, Hello France". If you merge the two titles, you get "Sweet" and "Good", but you still miss the "Night" and the "Heart"! 🙂
1. Was there no original music for the 1st season episode of "Miri"? If not, what music was used?
2. We all know who sang the title song, but who did they use for some of the other female background singer in some of the episodes? (ie: Mudd’s women)
I don’t have an answer for either of these, that is why I’m asking! 🙂
William
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Just looked up Elisha Cook Jr. Obviously I recognize him as Kirk’s lawyer. I had no idea he ever sang. Interesting.
you may remember his last role as "Icepick", from Magnum PI series! If I remember correctly, He had a stroke, and died in the 90’s, the same day as Elizabeth Montgomery!
William
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Just looked up Elisha Cook Jr. Obviously I recognize him as Kirk’s lawyer. I had no idea he ever sang. Interesting.
Then Wikipedia is wrong ( The City on the Edge of Forever – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_City_on_the_Edge_of_Forever) ) Memory Alpha is wrong (The City on the Edge of Forever (episode) – Memory Alpha, the Star Trek Wiki (http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/The_City_on_the_Edge_of_Forever_%28episode%29)), Fred Steiner (The Music of Star Trek, Fred Steiner) is wrong, and hundreds of other people that worked on the show….I think the problem is your remembering the 1980’s VHS or Laserdisk version…"Due to copyright issues, the original Ray Noble recording of Goodnight, Sweetheart was replaced during the 1980s by another version for VHS and Laserdisc releases. However, Paramount’s 1980 "Television Classics" home video release of this episode retains the original recording. Eventually this was corrected for the DVD release. New music was also composed for this episode, incorporating the song, but the composer of this music is not credited."
So as you can see Ray Noble 1931 recording is what was used in that episode, studio’s can and have changed pitch, speed, even the key in which vocalist sings in, to suite what ever their needs are to finish a filmed project.
Scott
1. Was there no original music for the 1st season episode of "Miri"? If not, what music was used?
2. We all know who sang the title song, but who did they use for some of the other female background singer in some of the episodes? (ie: Mudd’s women)
I don’t have an answer for either of these, that is why I’m asking! 🙂
William
1: You got me there!!
2: I know Alexander Courage composed the music for this episode’s trailer, one of only two times music was written specifically for a preview. His sultry trombone music was so appropriate, it was used in the actual episode as the women stroll through the corridors, while the rest of the score was written by Fred Steiner. You got me on who the other background singer was!! guess? I’d say Nichelle Nichols?
Scott
you may remember his last role as "Icepick", from Magnum PI series! If I remember correctly, He had a stroke, and died in the 90’s, the same day as Elizabeth Montgomery!
William
According to imdb.com, Elisha Cook Jr. had two uncredited "performances":
Soundtrack (2 titles)
1960 Peter Gunn (TV series)
– The Long, Long Ride (1960) (performer: "Shall We Gather At The River?" – uncredited)
1940 Tin Pan Alley (performer: "You Say The Sweetest Things Baby" 1940 – uncredited, "Good-Bye Broadway, Hello France" 1917 – uncredited)
In this context, what ecactly is the meaning of "performer", William? Was he dancing to the songs, pantomiming, or what? Just asking…
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Okay, well, I have two questions to post to the group, in the music genre:
1. Was there no original music for the 1st season episode of "Miri"? If not, what music was used?
2. We all know who sang the title song, but who did they use for some of the other female background singer in some of the episodes? (ie: Mudd’s women)
I don’t have an answer for either of these, that is why I’m asking! 🙂
William
Your first question is easy to answer: There was no original music composed especially for this episode, it was tracked completely. However, there is one library cue composed by Mullendore, called "Romantic scene", which, I think, was used just once in the series (in "Miri"). Mullendore, in fact, composed several general cues for the library, without any special written scene or even episode in mind. They can be found on season 1 disc 5 (tracks 10-15). Following are some of them, including the respective episodes they were tracked in:
10. Impension* LM1 1:10 (used in "Shore Leave", in act 1, when Kirk and Sulu hear the gun shot and are running to find the source of the shot)
11. Lonely to Dramatic* LM3 1:27 (used in "Space Seed", when Khan is seducing Marla McGivers)
12. Romantic Scene* LM6 0:46 (used in "Miri" for one of the earlier Kirk-Miri scenes)
13. Pensive Mood* 13LM2 2:09 (used in "Space Seed" in the introduction scene for Marla McGivers, in her quarters, while she’s painting)
I think, all these 4 cues were used just once in the whole series.
Your second question I can’t answer right now. In what scene did you hear background singers in "Mudd’s Women" or other episodes? I know that Nichelle Nichols was performing several times ("Charlie X", "The Conscience of the King" etc.), but what do you mean by "background singers"?
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2: I know Alexander Courage composed the music for this episode’s trailer, one of only two times music was written specifically for a preview. His sultry trombone music was so appropriate, it was used in the actual episode as the women stroll through the corridors, while the rest of the score was written by Fred Steiner. You got me on who the other background singer was!! guess? I’d say Nichelle Nichols?
Scott
Yes, that trailer music is great, and very special and unusual, but perfectly used in that scene! And, there’s another scene in trek this trailer music was used for: you can hear it in "A Piece of the Action", when Jojo Krako is using one of his "hookers" to "convince" Kirk to play along. This is one of the instances of using a track not composed for the season it was used in, which, according to union rules, was forbidden. They were supposed to re-record the music, but apparently, nobody was paying attention.
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Dad
Really??? YESSSS!!! TALLY-HO!!!
But… what if that Kirk dude breakes my computer again? Will I get a new one from you again, Dad, like last time? Puhleeease, Dad…
thanks for the info on the MIRI episode, I noticed that several episodes were not mentioned in the 15 disc set at all. They should have had a little insert with the tracks that were reused, and from which source. I was listening to some TOS music the other night, and I thought that it was "Mudd’s Women", but it could have been "I, Mudd" that I heard the female singer in the background (just one) and I was thinking about that, before dropping off! My wife wakes me up at 2:30am one night, and says "Your TREK music is still playing, and it woke me UP!!!!" Hehehehehe (what are you going to do??? 🙂
I will find the singers, and let you know.
William
Yes, he was… but he wasn’t such a smart-ass like the one who was harrassing the later captain’s (Picard, Sisco, and Janeway)!! 😉
thanks for the info on the MIRI episode, I noticed that several episodes were not mentioned in the 15 disc set at all. They should have had a little insert with the tracks that were reused, and from which source.
No, that’s too easy! That’s the beauty of it: you have to find out for yourself, which cue was tracked into which episode… where’s the fun, if you are TOLD? Don’t you like a little fun? It’s like playing around with your toys, like I do with my planet Gothos and the Earth ships with its gallant crews! 🙂
I was listening to some TOS music the other night, and I thought that it was "Mudd’s Women", but it could have been "I, Mudd" that I heard the female singer in the background (just one) and I was thinking about that, before dropping off!
You sure that wasn’t your wife singing? 😉
i noticed that there was several episodes missing from that set, about 9 or 10 i think. and a little note on the liner notes would have been helpful as well.
soundtrekker, where did you find that info?
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By the way, Goodnight Sweetheart was not replaced with another version, it was replaced with another song. Really messed up the feeling of that episode.
No, that’s too easy! That’s the beauty of it: you have to find out for yourself, which cue was tracked into which episode… where’s the fun, if you are TOLD? Don’t you like a little fun? It’s like playing around with your toys, like I do with my planet Gothos and the Earth ships with its gallant crews! 🙂
You sure that wasn’t your wife singing? 😉
Oh just bloody great!! he gets to have fun and we get to hang around like a puppet!! 😉
Oh I agree 100 percent! finding cues that one thought where complete pieces is a joy in it’s self 🙂 for me I hear these wonderful musical pieces all I want to do is listen to them over and over again, reliving the memory of seeing Stat Trek for the first time all over again.
Scott
I have been playing around with rips I have done from TAS, and the way the cues jump around, NO WAY WILL I TRY TO FIGURE IT OUT!http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/thunhappy.gif
i noticed that there was several episodes missing from that set, about 9 or 10 i think. and a little note on the liner notes would have been helpful as well.
soundtrekker, where did you find that info?
Do you mean the library cues for "Miri" etc.? Well, partly by paying attention when watching the episodes and then remembering the various library cues (like "Romantic scene" in "Miri"), and partly by reading the comments on various discussion forums for the last two months (Filmscoremonthly, hometheatherforum, etc.).
The "missing episodes" are due to the fact that this set never was about to present the complete, definite "Star Trek episode score" collection, but rather a complete presentation of all the written and recorded music for Star Trek TOS as a whole. That way, they had
1. a certain number of "complete scores" for episodes, including music that wasn’t even used for those particular episodes (e.g. "Catspaw")
2. a certain number of "partial scores" for episodes, which just needed some new music, but also used tracked music from earlier episodes (e.g. "Balance of Terror", "City on the Edge…")
3. and a few tracks for episodes who just needed some short additional material (e.g. "The Omega Glory") or some "source" music (e.g. "The Squire of Gothos") or songs ("The Way to Eden")
All that music could be allocated to the specific episodes it was meant for, and the episodes can be found in the track list accordingly.
The remaining cues on the set are outtakes, alternates, sound effects, re-recordings, unused materials etc, and, of course, the library cues, which were meant for general use, without certain episodes in mind. Some of the libary music was completely new (Mullendore, Season 1 Disc 5 and some cues by Courage, Season 2 Disc 5), others were re-recordings of earlier episode scores (e.g. re-recorded cues from Steiner’s "Charlie X", Season 2, Disc 5). They were chosen and tracked into episodes by the music editor if needed. Since library music, per definition, isn’t meant to be used for a specific episode in mind, there is no information in the liner notes in that regard. You may regret it, but that’s the way the producers chose to approach this presentation of trek TOS music. If you think about it, it makes sense, though. A complete run-down of every cue tracked into all 79 episodes would be a colossal enterprise (pun intended), and the release of this set with all the comments, interviews and anecdotes at it is, was hard enough. Complete info on all tracked cues would have been nearly impossible to present on a 100 page booklet, and would have made the liner notes a little redundant and academic.
All in all, you can be absolutely sure that every note heard in all 79 episodes are on this set. If you don’t find any specific episode title in the track list, you can be absolutely sure that this episode was tracked completely, using cues from earlier episodes (and possibly some music from the various "libraries"). The music for the "missing episodes" isn’t missing – it’s there, you just have to look for it! Have fun, TALLY-HO!!! 🙂
That’s the spirit! 🙂
William
Yeah, they did a couple of episodes where they had the ship in the desert, but they never shot it where it looked like a fully built ship, like the full sized Jupiter 2 on Lost in Space (which was full of planks and stuff like you described). Granted, I wasn’t there, but this is why the rest of us think the Invaders ship was an optical:
The spacecraft itself, which Quinn Martin had originally thought would only be seen in the pilot, is featured more prominently in “The Saucer” than in any other episode. “There were a lot of opticals to be done, and that was a large part of the budget,” said John Elizalde of the increased use of special effects. Only the pentagonal base of the spaceship, with its triangular legs, was a live prop; the saucer part of the vessel was matted in later under the supervision of visual effects man Darrell A. Anderson.
Invaders Behind the Scenes (http://www.classictvhistory.com/EpisodeGuides/invaders.html)
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I have just finished watching TAS on netflix all the way through. It does seem like maybe a half dozen actual cues. They are chopped up and used in a seemingly random manor. Bits, pieces, snippets of cues are everywhere, and there is NO transition from scene to scene, the cuts are extremely abrupt.
You are so right. But, I have noticed a lot of the episodes do have unique cues, but, they are the ones with the most sound effects, when the dialogue is removed.
William
William
There is no such thing as stealing in this town … 😀
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has anyone seen my pen?
William
Exactly, William, you got it! 🙂 That’s why the La-La-Land guys added those alternate, re-orchestrated, re-recorded (you name it) cues to the set! If you hear some rehashed cues from earlier episodes that sound different somehow, you most probably will find them somewhere on the "library discs" (the S1D5, S2D3, S2D5, S3D2, and S3D5). That, as I pointed out already, was the goal of this set in the first place: to present ALL the music heard ANYWHERE in the whole series! (plus music NEVER HEARD before, of course!). This set is the final word on TOS music!
Well, I’ll consider it, really. But it will take time, you know. And since I’m virtually immortal, I’m not really in a rush, so you’ll have to wait a century, at least!:roflbalok:
SHUT UP, BALOK! THAT WASN’T MEANT TO BE FUNNY!!!
1. Extract all the audio from the CDs
2. Renumber the tracks in a sensible manner and put them into a single folder
3. create a fake CD (ISO image) from the content of that folder
4. Watch every single episode and find the appropiate music in the folder/on the fake CD
5. Create a *.CUE-File for every single episode – each cue file drawing/playing the apropiate music from the
fake CD.
6. Voila you got your "CD"s of complete music for each and every single episode 😀 but taking up the space
of only the tracks (because each track still is just needed to be there once).
Problems:
1. Episodes that don’t repeat a track fully will still play the whole track
2. Finding someone crazy enough to put that load of work unto his/her shoulders 😛
William
William
Yes, that’s EXACTLY how it was done here in Germany, there was at least one trek fan in my country (possibly several) who created those edited soundtracks from the German dubbed-broadcast, thus creating something what could be called a soundtrack! He then offered it on audio cassettes for a few bucks. But it wasn’t done in that manner that you described (two tracks, fading out and in etc.), but just hard, clean cuts, if I remember correctly! But it was fun, nevertheless…
Long live the internet. Long live ffshrine!
PS.: I AM STILL LOOKING FOR THE maintheme AND end titles music from John Addisons "The French Atlantic Affair", don’t let me die without it folks! 😀
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0078614/fullcredits#cast
HERE, HERE!!!! (Where? Where? Heheheheheehe :))
Yes, my friend had belonged to one of those "star trek" clubs when he was in high school, and they continued afterwards, and became a really big group, getting together every saturday to talk about TREK! He made copies of the cassette for all the "official" club members, and I had even come up with full color cassette labels for the tapes themselves. Since we didn’t have FULL color xerox machines at that time, I printed up a sample blank cassette label, on a sheet of 8.5 X 11 paper, and then put the official Star Trek logo on the top, and then "Original Television Soundtrack" down below. They were white letters on a black background, which allowed me to use felt tip pens to color them, cut them out and use spray glue to stick them onto the cassette. VERY professional looking for the year, if I do say so myself, hehehehe
William
HERE, HERE!!!! (Where? Where? Heheheheheehe :))
Yes, my friend had belonged to one of those "star trek" clubs when he was in high school, and they continued afterwards, and became a really big group, getting together every saturday to talk about TREK! He made copies of the cassette for all the "official" club members, and I had even come up with full color cassette labels for the tapes themselves. Since we didn’t have FULL color xerox machines at that time, I printed up a sample blank cassette label, on a sheet of 8.5 X 11 paper, and then put the official Star Trek logo on the top, and then "Original Television Soundtrack" down below. They were white letters on a black background, which allowed me to use felt tip pens to color them, cut them out and use spray glue to stick them onto the cassette. VERY professional looking for the year, if I do say so myself, hehehehe
William
You really were "using stone knives and bear skins" back then, didn’t you? 🙂
William
Also, it has been only a little over 13 years on the internet, and have been tangled in it’s web ever sense.
THANK YOU, AL GORE!
The Jupiter 2 Lost but not forgotten on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/53747144)
Enjoy, William
contacted the carrier they claim it was delivered as well. Sent a email to LaLa Land but being the weekend I probably wont here back till Monday at the earliest.
this really sucks. fingers crossed this will be resolved soon. but dang it. And I know my neighbors in my building are not the type to take packages that are not theirs
Why is it so hard for carriers to deliver correctly to the address listed.
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Has anyone had this happen before that can give me an idea on what to expect from La La Land?
Are they good about replacing lost or misdeliverd packages(especially one like this) and if so do they expedite getting the replacement to you or am I going to have to wait it out all over again. sucks was really hoping to listen to it this weekend.
Because viruses no matter the carrier are totally random at who their next target is. No wait. That was that Outbreak movie with Dustin Hoffman, you were talking parcels … ugh
Hang in there! I ordered something from amazon and our postal service DHL has it since Friday Night 4 o’clock and those assholes didn’t deliver on saturday, DHL storage is just 45 minutes away from my place and it’s not really remote. Some viruses should do some targeting if you ask me!
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The Sci-Fi Airshow is great. Amazing effects work and very convincing.
DEANNA TROI DID IT AGAIN :O
But that could have been taken by anyone.
And, by the way, you cannot really blame Troi for that crash, she missed the COW!!! Hehehehehehe 🙂
William
And I would say Yeah If I lived in a bigger building I would say yeah it could be another person in the building, but there are only 10 people in my complex and its gated with a code,
It is entirely possible like you suggested that the moron carrier left it infront of the building on the steps infront of the door, and some one in another building or homeless person or a one of the tourists on the blvd just saw it and walked up and took it.
I have had issues with them delivering to the wrong street and building before with stuff that I get from Intrada, or Twilight Time and Amazon as well.
Twilight Time was awesome about it, know questions asked just went ahead and sent me out another copy of the Night of the living dead bluray even though it was almost totally sold out. Intrada took a bit to get a replacement copy of Black Stallion sent out, and Amazon is great as well.
William[/FONT][/SIZE][/QUOTE]
missed it by that much |-| 🙂
Scott
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Thanks both of you for trying to cheer me up about it
And I would say Yeah If I lived in a bigger building I would say yeah it could be another person in the building, but there are only 10 people in my complex and its gated with a code,
It is entirely possible like you suggested that the moron carrier left it infront of the building on the steps infront of the door, and some one in another building or homeless person or a one of the tourists on the blvd just saw it and walked up and took it.
I have had issues with them delivering to the wrong street and building before with stuff that I get from Intrada, or Twilight Time and Amazon as well.
Twilight Time was awesome about it, know questions asked just went ahead and sent me out another copy of the Night of the living dead bluray even though it was almost totally sold out. Intrada took a bit to get a replacement copy of Black Stallion sent out, and Amazon is great as well.
Amazon is great! I’ve never had a problem with them! the others are iffy! and take forever for fix a bad delivery, but I have always used a relative for a delivery address (someone you know is going to be home all day) for anything over $100.00 or if it has great sentimental value! UPS just does not care, all they want is to drop off the package and on to the next delivery. UPS used to have an option you could tell them not to deliver any package until they have a signature from the person that ordered it…not any more! which sucks. Sorry to hear your package went south on you, hopefully it will get straighten out.
Scott
Man don’t get me started on the USPS!! a acquaintance of mine works there!! and I can understand why your catalogs look like someone put it in a blinder and set it to Pari! a bunch of Neanderthals!! at $35.00 an hour…what a waste of tax payer money.
Scott
Yes, there are complete track lists ("cue sheets") of all episodes, but they are owned by CBS for internal use only and are not for public display (with the exception of three samples, which were published by Jeff Bond in his book "The Music of Star Trek": "The Alternative Factor", "Journey to Babel", and "All Our Yesterdays"). But even if the cue sheets would be published, or if someone would reconstruct them somehow from scratch (which very well may be the case in the near future), you still would have to do much editing work, because, in many instances, only parts of cues from earlier episodes were used for tracked episodes, or there would be new combinations of older cues who would be edited together from several separate original cues or parts of them, in any possible combinations. You would have to compare the cues from the tracked episodes with the material on the set, to find exactly the right track, and to determine if the track was used as a whole, or just part of it, or which version of any given track was used (the original one or a library track, which was re-recorded at a later season). All in all, this would be an extremely arduous and time-consuming task… but feel free to start it. Have fun, and let us know what you accomplished! 😉
As for the cue sheets, I will have to go over to ASCAP and check to see, as I think that all the cue sheets are over there, for public viewing. You’re not supposed to copy any of them, but I know many composers and arrangers who have a TON of sheet music and stuff that they got from there, why not the TOS Trek stuff?
We will see.
William
We will see.
William
Hey, that would be great, William! Always good to have somebody with connections… 🙂
I doubt I’ll do much more, maybe just fill in some of the partial scores like Mirror Mirror and By Any other Name with the proper library cues. But going through each episode to make up heavily edited, overly choppy, and very repetitive suites? That’s for a fan made of sterner stuff.
Kind of, if you could go back in time invisibly and meet your first "lost love" you might realize she has terrible breath, or snorted a lot, or something else that teenage lust or youth’s cluelessness forgot about. Enjoy the music we have–relish the memories we have–and be grateful we can go on living to make NEW memories.
I love that I grew up in the golden days of STAR TREK and Man from U.N.C.L.E. I love being able to have the original soundtracks released, stirring up great memories. But I don’t "wish I could do it again." I always laugh at that country song "I Should Have Been a Cowboy." Yeah, right! Your teeth rotted out of your head; a splinter could get infected and kill you; you could easily be poisoned by the drinking water or tainted food; and so on.
Be thankful for the past, sure, but trying to rebuild a music-only track second-by-second kind of strays into Norma Desmond territory! And I’m not ready for my close-up just yet …
It’s not Amazon selling it, it’s a private seller called The Disc Connection with fulfillment through Amazon. Click on the links for 7 new from $237.27 or 2 used from $299.99 and you’ll find a lot of other sellers offering it cheaper.
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Yes, if you could even reassemble or magically hear the music-only parts of an episode, you would hear recognizable bits interspersed with sections only a few seconds long, horribly lopped off at the beginning or end. It would be more likely to RUIN your memories than enhance them.
Kind of, if you could go back in time invisibly and meet your first "lost love" you might realize she has terrible breath, or snorted a lot, or something else that teenage lust or youth’s cluelessness forgot about. Enjoy the music we have–relish the memories we have–and be grateful we can go on living to make NEW memories.
I love that I grew up in the golden days of STAR TREK and Man from U.N.C.L.E. I love being able to have the original soundtracks released, stirring up great memories. But I don’t "wish I could do it again." I always laugh at that country song "I Should Have Been a Cowboy." Yeah, right! Your teeth rotted out of your head; a splinter could get infected and kill you; you could easily be poisoned by the drinking water or tainted food; and so on.
Be thankful for the past, sure, but trying to rebuild a music-only track second-by-second kind of strays into Norma Desmond territory! And I’m not ready for my close-up just yet …
Well, that’s you and that’s fine, but some of us just edit music as a hobby, not to indulge in some "my life sucks" fantasy. My life is just fine, thanks (actually I have more fun at 45 than I did at 17). I put together an episode’s score and, yeah, it was a pain, and yeah, it wound up pretty repetitive, but it ruined nothing. What’s to ruin? I have the episodes on video. It was a fun project and I’m happy with the result. And, by the way, Norma Desmond wanted to go back to a period where she was great. I just wanted to make a partial score into a complete one. It had nothing to do with recapturing the past.
Oh and my first love? We’re still friends and she’s just as sweet and beautiful as she was when were were teens. She just has lousy taste in guys. 🙂
So, you see, you may not only be doing the girl a great dis-service by not being in her life, you may save her family from some unknown horror in their lives as well! You can never tell! 🙂
Good luck, and God’s speed!
William
Besides, my wife loves Star Trek whereas the other gal just liked it. 😉
But really, thank you so much anyway.
Scott
You know thats a great title for a great song! 😉 one of my favorite’s when I was a laddy!!
And good advise my friend!!
The Other Scott 🙂
I don’t get it, what’s so special about that one item for 599.99 $? Who would be dumb enough to buy that, if on the same site there are several new units offered for 237,27 $? Except, it has the authograph from Gerald Fried, but there’s no indication for it, as far as I can see:
Amazon.com: Star Trek: The Original Series Soundtrack Collection (Seasons 1-3): Alexander Courage, Fred Steiner, George Duning, Gerald Fried, Jerry Fielding, Sol Kaplan, Joseph Mullendore: Music (http://www.amazon.com/Star-Trek-Original-Soundtrack-Collection/dp/B00AMRKLLY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1359975808&sr=8-1&keywords=star+trek+tos+soundtrack+collection)
I second that, Amanda. Enterprise clearly isnt’t TOS trek, so I would suggest to move your question to the "official" trek thread, or you may want to create a separate "Star Trek Enterprise soundtrack discussion" thread. Just my 2c…
EDIT (after I read AZSneed’s message # 825):
You are, of course, always welcome to post in this thread! It’s always a pleasure to see you, my dear Lady Amanda!
At your service!
Soundtrekker "The Squire"
Then again, I won’t. Wanna do Trek, do it. Fuck you and anyone here. Post amended so I won’t offend your poor sensitive eyes with my worthless interests.
Amanda, I love you nevertheless (and I mean it, without sarcasm!).
(Besides, you’re right, you’re not the only one to post non-TOS-music things in this thread, so, yeahh, I should go back all 826 posts and remind them also to please stick to the theme of this thread. OTOH, it’s William Taylor’s thread, so that would be his job, now wouldn’t it? 😉
You want this removed, please say so!
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Amandas revised playlist:
So, a music question. The promo for Regeneration is SO out of order, and very incomplete. I watched it and listened scene by scene. Everything from the first Enterprise scene back is totally missing, and many of the cues that are there don’t seem to match well. There are two or three that don’t seem to be used at all. Confusing things further, most cues seem merged into longer tracks. There are no gaps, they flow into each other, with most of the commercial break stings missing.
Here is how I arranged my set, I added main and end titles. I appreciate any help or input.
1 Main Title (TV Edit)
2 New Mission (Starts when we first see Enterprise, and seems to last through the tactical briefing, though it does not seem to match completely)
3 Distress Call (Starts in the tactical room when Hoshi picks up the distress call, and follows into the Borgized transport attacking the other ship. Seems short)
4 Captain Archer’s Plan (Archer planning the next assault on the transport, the Borg attacking Phlox, and coming back from commercial with Borg in the Jefferies tubes)
5 Ship On The Horizon (Does not match anything I could hear, so placing it here was a guess).
6 The Investigation (Again, does not seem to fit in).
7 Borg Hunt (Hunting down and fighting the Borg in the ship, through ejecting them out of the airlock)
8 Destable (The Borg activating the components left on Enterprise causing it to drop out of warp)
9 Dead In The Water (Enterprise helpless, with Borg transport moving in to attack, leads into commercial break)
10 Borg Attack (Back from break, Borg start attacking the ship, and boarding. Lasts through Archer and Malcolme getting into the transporter)
11 The Hive Mind (The away team beams into Borg ship)
12 Regenerations (Borg ship disabled but starting to regenerate. Destroyed by archer)
13 Postponed (T’Pol and Archer discussing the transmission to the Delta Quadrant, and possibly only postponing the inevitable)
End Credits (v1)
Many of the track names seem inappropriate, and I may think about renaming some.
And, I still believe that any link, be it audio or video (Like Youtube vids) should be allowed here, no matter what. They don’t pollute the subject matter, and a good TREK youtube vid is always welcome!
Share and share alike, people! 🙂
William
Share and share alike, people! 🙂
William
FUCKINDEED! …. STAR TREK VOYAGER THEME for Ukulele and Flute
Flukulele plays Star Trek: Voyager Theme – YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=419FQbIx0Rk)
YOU DID IT AGAIN!! YOU POLLUTED THIS THREAD WITH NON-TREK-TOS MUSIC!!!
Just kidding… btw, a very nice rendition of the Voyager theme, I couldn’t hold back my tears!
William, it’s your thread, and if you say this thread is for all things trek, than it shall be, of course. So let’s go IDIC here! 🙂
Just kidding… btw, a very nice rendition of the Voyager theme, I couldn’t hold back my tears!
William, it’s your thread, and if you say this thread is for all things trek, than it shall be, of course. So let’s go IDIC here! 🙂
Just kidding? Getting squimish now that i called your parent, huh, squire! How stupid do you think us grown ups are?!?
Any that picks on Amanda, will be labeled a Red Shirt and http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/redshirt.gif…..http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/spocksmiley.gif or not.
Any that picks on Amanda, will be labeled a Red Shirt and http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/redshirt.gif…..http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/spocksmiley.gif or not.
Aye!! you’ll have all the power I can Muster Mister!!
Scott
p.s. Amanda I wish I had an answer for you, but I am out of my depth on your question…I’m sorry you felt ignored! [hanging head in shame] but I only saw the first season of Enterprise, then picked up again on the forth season. I have the first season on DVD and just ordered the second season the other day….it’s no excuse I am offering, just saying I am sorry for upsetting you in anyway.
William (the Treknician) 🙂
William (the Treknician) 🙂
One of my favorites!!
Scott
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Well then…Ludicrous Speed! WOW! They’ve gone to plaid!http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/evillaugh.gif
LOL
Colonel Sandurz: [after Helmet went flying and crashed into the computers after Spaceball 1 stops] Are you alright sir?
Dark Helmet: [in a stupor] Fine. How’ve you been?
Colonel Sandurz: Fine sir.
Dark Helmet: [softly] Good
Colonel Sandurz: It’s a good thing you were wearing that helmet.
Dark Helmet: [barely audible] Yeah.
Colonel Sandurz: What shall we do now, Sir?
Dark Helmet: Well, are we stopped?
Colonel Sandurz: We’re stopped, Sir.
Dark Helmet: Good. Well why don’t we take a five minute break?
Colonel Sandurz: Very good, Sir.
Dark Helmet: Smoke if you got’em.
Dark Helmet: [Collapses]
Scott
That being said, I also have a surprise. As some of you know, I’ve been looking all over for a copy of the book "The music of Star Trek" by Jeff Bond. Soundtrekker had offered to scan it for me, by hand (YIKES) one page at a time, but fortunately, a contact on another forum, an EBOOK forum, came through this morning with a PDF copy of the book, so I decided that it would be great to share it here! I mean, why not, this is a TOS thread, right?
Here is the link:
https://hotfile.com/dl/179593955/0d366a8/The_Music_of_Star_Trek.pdf.html
and, you know, it’s just like money and manure, it’s only good when you spread it around! 🙂
William
Is this still out "there" anywhere?
Sure, gimme a few hours, and I’ll make it available (including a little bonus!). 😉
William
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Okay, here it is! Contained in this upload are:
1. "The Music of Star Trek" written and compiled by Jeff Bond (1999) [1 pdf] – as uploaded previously by the great William Taylor here on this thread! 🙂
2. “Music for Star Trek: Scoring a Television Show in the Sixties,” by Fred Steiner – in Iris B. Newsom, ed., Wonderful Inventions:
Motion Pictures, Broadcasting and Recorded Sound at the Library of Congress. Washington: Library of Congress, 1985.(p. 286-309)
[jpg format]
(This article was one of the sources used by Jeff Bond for his book)
and as a BONUS (never before uploaded here, or elsewhere, I think!):
3. "The Music of Classic Star Trek" by Jeff Bond. In: Star Trek Communicator # (?) p. 33-35, 37-38 [jpg format]
The Bond article from the "Communicator" magazine was clearly released before his book, so it must have been published in the late 90ies, probably between 1996 and 1998. It contains basically most of what appeared in his book, but there are some remarks and interview snippets which didn’t appear in his book, I think, so for completists, it may very well be interesting to read it!
TMOST_various.rar download – 2shared (http://www.2shared.com/file/KXkijl0X/TMOST_various.html)
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Question:
I recently got the GNP Crescendo (ZYX in Europe) 3 CD TOS box set from a dealer in Germany. It only cost $12 "New" on Amazon, I thought it was a "steal" – it kinda is. It was sealed but looks "suspect", as the vol numbers on the artwork are reversed (CD 2 is listed as CD 3, visa-versa). There were no booklets in any of the CD’s, just front and back cards (hence, no doubt, the cheap price). They do appear to be legit (at least imho), just repackaged for a discount price, all have the ZYX logo on the CD’s.
I have dl’ed scanned booklets off the interwebs for vol’s 2 & 3, but the scans for vol 1 (The Cage & Where No Man …) contained just the front & back & CD, no booklet.
Is there actually a booklet for vol 1 & can anybody share it? Many Thanks.
the 3 CD TOS-Box was first published by ZYX Music Germany in the mid Ninties. Originally the Box contains the three Original Releases published by GNP. In the Original ZYX Release there was only the Front Pic of the album without a booklet.
In the Ninties TOS and the Soundtracks of the TV-Show where not a big thing in Germany or Europe. It was only published because of the success of STAR TREK TNG. ZYX has re released the TOS 3 CD Box in 2007.
I dont know, if there was a complete booklet in it.
I personally haven???t the booklet, but maybe its possible to get it from ZYX directly. The company still sell the CD Box.
Here is the link:
The Original Star Trek Box (http://www.zyx.de/Musik/Soundtrack/The-Original-Star-Trek-Box-3949.html#moreProductDetails)
Sorry, I couldn???t help more.
cardassianer
I’ll guess have to find a US set (and pay a pretty penny for it) to get all 3 of the booklets (so that I can hold them in my hot little hands) or else find a download that someone created for just vol 1 (if it even exists).
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Okay, here it is! Contained in this upload are:
1. "The Music of Star Trek" written and compiled by Jeff Bond (1999) [1 pdf] – as uploaded previously by the great William Taylor here on this thread! 🙂
2. “Music for Star Trek: Scoring a Television Show in the Sixties,” by Fred Steiner – in Iris B. Newsom, ed., Wonderful Inventions:
Motion Pictures, Broadcasting and Recorded Sound at the Library of Congress. Washington: Library of Congress, 1985.(p. 286-309)
[jpg format]
(This article was one of the sources used by Jeff Bond for his book)
and as a BONUS (never before uploaded here, or elsewhere, I think!):
3. "The Music of Classic Star Trek" by Jeff Bond. In: Star Trek Communicator # (?) p. 33-35, 37-38 [jpg format]
The Bond article from the "Communicator" magazine was clearly released before his book, so it must have been published in the late 90ies, probably between 1996 and 1998. It contains basically most of what appeared in his book, but there are some remarks and interview snippets which didn’t appear in his book, I think, so for completists, it may very well be interesting to read it!
TMOST_various.rar download – 2shared (http://www.2shared.com/file/KXkijl0X/TMOST_various.html)
HELP! I have never ever been able to figure out which link to click on with 2shared! Can anyone direct e to the correct click? All I ever get is .exe files and copies of iLivid software!!!
Thanks AZSneed. Tried that nothing happens? Tried Chrome, Safari and Firefox (I’m on a mac but that shouldn’t matter in this instance) and still no download?
Must have tried this 100 times Amanda, still nothing happens. No pop up? I’ve made sure that pop-ups are allowed on page but no change. Thanks
I’m using Chrome with an ad blocker and had no problems at all. Perhaps an idea? The ad blocker, i mean (if you haven’t tried it already)
Edit: And thanks for the upload, btw… 😀
Zippyshare.com – TMOST_various.rar (http://www36.zippyshare.com/v/35404560/file.html)
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Hi smartin00,
the 3 CD TOS-Box was first published by ZYX Music Germany in the mid Ninties. Originally the Box contains the three Original Releases published by GNP. In the Original ZYX Release there was only the Front Pic of the album without a booklet.
In the Ninties TOS and the Soundtracks of the TV-Show where not a big thing in Germany or Europe. It was only published because of the success of STAR TREK TNG. ZYX has re released the TOS 3 CD Box in 2007.
I dont know, if there was a complete booklet in it.
I personally haven???t the booklet, but maybe its possible to get it from ZYX directly. The company still sell the CD Box.
Here is the link:
The Original Star Trek Box (http://www.zyx.de/Musik/Soundtrack/The-Original-Star-Trek-Box-3949.html#moreProductDetails)
Sorry, I couldn???t help more.
cardassianer
Same here I have this set bought in HMV in UK about ten years ago (at least) but it does not have any booklets. Never knew they existed, would be nice to see.
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Same here I have this set bought in HMV in UK about ten years ago (at least) but it does not have any booklets. Never knew they existed, would be nice to see.
I could offer you scans of the original booklets from the official GNP releases, if you want! 😉
Never had to register for ZippyShare and since i am using ad blocker with chrome, i can’t say anything about pop-ups or ads or the like. WITH ad blocker it’s pretty smooth, the only "drawback" is captcha but that is a minor… oh, and another drawback is the max file size of 200 MBs, but it’s no problem splitting files in winrar and then do a multiple file upload.
Thanks for the advise, Calidoran! That seems like a good alternative. Besides, at 2shared.com, there’s a 200 MB max limit also, so that’s not different in that regard!
REALLY?? The GREAT William Taylor? Is that something like the great and powerful OZ??? Hehehehehehe 🙂
You all may now call me "Lord William"!!!
Peasants! Hehehehehe
William 🙂
You all may now call me "Lord William"!!!
Peasants! Hehehehehe
William 🙂
I thought you might react in this manner to my thoughtless remark! Oh well… (sigh)
I’m a peasant on Lord William’s Tribble Ranch. The rough part is the herding of them.
Several years ago, I was attacked by a virus that would not allow me to download any files in IE. I eventually found a check-box in the IE advanced properties (IIRC) that the virus had "un-checked" that would allow downloads and I had to re-check it. I don’t see that box now in my current IE (I may have had an older version of IE back then, this was a few short years back and I’ve slept since then) but if you do see any type of indicator in your browser (whatever kind you have) check to see if it will allow downloads.
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I could offer you scans of the original booklets from the official GNP releases, if you want! 😉
"After a time, you may find that having is not so pleasing a thing after all as wanting. It is not logical; but it is often true."
What the Hell is he saying? No, it isn’t logical or true
I want, too. Please? :naughty:
ZYX ST booklets.rar download – 2shared (http://www.2shared.com/file/q75IGPQx/ZYX_ST_booklets.html)
to khitomer: I’ve created a zippyshare link for you especially, see my post #873! 🙂
EDIT:
This is what it looks like after i upload (and i am using an ad blocker):
Then I’ll try zippyshare again, to get a handle on it for the future, and maybe I’ll get it working (besides, I couldn’t open the FAQ on the zippyshare site, strangeley…)
I couldn’t open the FAQ either, but check my picture above to see the end result…
Thanks for the screencap, Calidoran, I’ll give it a try again.
EDIT:
Why, it’s working now!!! Strange, I didn’t use any other equipment than yesterday…
So here’s the link for the booklets via zippyshare (for khitomer and anyone else who is preferring that cyberlocker):
Zippyshare.com – ZYX ST booklets.rar (http://www29.zippyshare.com/v/89142971/file.html)
Come on, my friend… here you go, into this room with the funny platform and the six circles on it… SCOTTY, TRANSPORTER READY, ON THE DOUBLE!!!
and i must admit, main actress Diane Lane, her facial expression,
body movements … she so close to Captain Janeway, only much
much better an actress! Can’t help but imagine her in that role now 🙂
you check this out, if only for the same reason
Untraceable (2008) – IMDb (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0880578/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1)
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zippyshare is great. Gamefront super fast, freakshare medium,
peejee fast if it works, lol.
and i must admit, main actress Diane Lane, her facial expression,
body movements … she so close to Captain Janeway, only much
much better an actress! Can’t help but imagine her in that role now 🙂
you check this out, if only for the same reason
Untraceable (2008) – IMDb (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0880578/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1)
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zippyshare is great. Gamefront super fast, freakshare medium,
peejee fast if it works, lol.
Yes, I agree! Diane Lane is "Captain Janeway" reloaded! 🙂 They should consider her for "Star Trek: Voyager – the Next Gerneration", with her as Janeway’s daughter, commandeering the refitted Voyager, ready for launch into the – gasp – Delta Quadrant, to boldly go… well, you get the picture! 🙂
William
Aye! she is ready soundtrekker! setting coordinates to deep space!…energizing! that was a close one!! now that AZSneed is sucking vacuum who do we get for comic relief? 😉
Once again we have saved the Galaxy from becoming "A Galaxy of the Apes"!!
Scott
Once again we have saved the Galaxy from becoming "A Galaxy of the Apes"!!
Scott
Well, AZSneed sucking vacuum IS comic relief for the time being, I would say! 🙂 But in one hour, you may beam him back… that should be sufficient!
Director (91 titles)
2013 Sexy Wives Sinsations (TV movie) (as Sam Pepperman)
2012 Gila! (TV movie)
2011 Busty Coeds vs. Lusty Cheerleaders (TV movie) (as Sam Pepperman)
2011 Camel Spiders (as Jay Andrews)
2011 Sexy Wives Sindrome (TV movie)
2011 Piranhaconda (TV movie)
2010 Monster Cruise
2010 Dinocroc vs. Supergator (TV movie) (as Rob Robertson)
2010 Busty Cops Go Hawaiian (TV movie) (as Harold Blueberry)
2010 Busty Cops and the Jewel of Denial (TV movie) (as Harold Blueberry)
2010 The Hills Have Thighs (video) (as Salvadore Ross)
2009 Lost in the Woods
2009 Cleavagefield (TV movie) (as Salvadore Ross)
2009 Fire from Below (as J.R. Mandish)
2009 Vampire in Vegas
2009 The Devil Wears Nada (TV movie) (as Salvadore Ross)
2009 Strip for Action (video documentary) (uncredited)
2008 The Lusty Busty Babe-a-que (TV movie)
2007 Bone Eater (TV movie) (as Bob Robertson)
2007 House on Hooter Hill (video) (as H.R. Blueberry)
2007 Cry of the Winged Serpent (TV movie) (as Jamie Wagner)
2007 The Breastford Wives (video) (as H.R. Blueberry)
2007 The Da Vinci Coed (TV movie) (as H.R. Blueberry / also as Harold Blueberry)
2006 A.I. Assault (TV movie) (as Jay Andrews)
2006 Busty Cops 2 (video) (as Harold Blueberry)
2005 The Witches of Breastwick 2 (video) (as H.R. Blueberry)
2005 The Witches of Breastwick (video) (as H.R. Blueberry)
2005 Komodo vs. Cobra (TV movie) (as Jay Andrews)
2005 Sub Zero (video) (as Jay Andrews)
2005 Crash Landing (as Jay Andrews)
2005 Lust Connection (TV movie) (as H.R. Blueberry)
2005 Alabama Jones and the Busty Crusade (video) (as Harold Blueberry)
2005 Bare Wench: The Final Chapter (TV movie)
2004 Gargoyle (video) (as Jay Andrews)
2004 The Curse of the Komodo (as Jay Andrews)
2004 Busty Cops (video) (as Harold Blueberry)
2004 The Thing Below (video) (as Jay Andrews)
2003 Bad Bizness (video) (as Bob E. Brown)
2003 Bare Wench Project: Uncensored (video)
2003 Lost Treasure (as Jay Andrews)
2003 Cheerleader Massacre (video)
2003 Treasure Hunt (video)
2002 Wolfhound (video) (some scenes – uncredited)
2002 Project Viper (TV movie) (as Jay Andrews)
2002 Gale Force (video)
2002 The Bare Wench Project 3: Nymphs of Mystery Mountain (video)
2001 Raptor (video) (as Jay Andrews)
2001 Thy Neighbor’s Wife (as Jay Andrews)
2001 Ablaze (as Jay Andrews)
2001 Crash Point Zero (as Jay Andrews)
2001 The Bare Wench Project 2: Scared Topless (video)
2000 Rangers (video) (as Jay Andrews)
2000 Agent Red (reshoots – uncredited)
2000 Militia (as Jay Andrews)
2000 The Bare Wench Project
1999 Final Voyage (as Jay Andrews)
1999 Stealth Fighter (as Jay Andrews)
1999 Desert Thunder
1999 The Escort III (video) (as Tom Popatopolous)
1998 Storm Trooper (video)
1998 The Pandora Project
1997 Against the Law
1996 Vampirella (video)
1996 The Assault
1996 Demolition High (video)
1995 Virtual Desire (as Noble Henry)
1995 Body Chemistry 4: Full Exposure (video)
1995 Hard Bounty
1995 Victim of Desire
1995 Sorceress
1995 The Wasp Woman (TV movie)
1994 Joe Bob’s Drive-In Theater (TV series)
– Episode dated 8 October 1994 (1994) (archive footage / as Arch Stanton)
– Attack of the Queen Bees Month: Part 1 (1994) (archive footage)
1994 Ghoulies IV (video)
1994 Munchie Strikes Back
1994 Dinosaur Island
1994 Point of Seduction: Body Chemistry III (video)
1993 Little Miss Millions
1993 Sins of Desire
1992 Munchie
1992 976-Evil II
1991 Scream Queen Hot Tub Party (video) (as Arch Stanton)
1990 The Haunting of Morella
1990 Hard to Die (as Arch Stanton)
1990 Sorority House Massacre II (as Arch Stanton)
1989 Transylvania Twist
1989 The Return of Swamp Thing
1988 Not of This Earth
1987 Deathstalker II (video)
1987 Big Bad Mama II
1986 Chopping Mall
1985 The Lost Empire
Director (91 titles)
….
Well, judging from the movie titles, most of it worthy of an Oscar, I presume! (Or was it the rasperry??? I always seem to confuse them somehow…)
William
Jim Wynorski – IMDb (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0691061/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1)
Seams to me he is doing scifi-channel like horror and action movies and porn at the same time. Judging from both, i’d say he doesn’t have his priorities straight. Judging from the latter, his actors he has 😀
I find it fascinating though. Most of the tv stuff seems to be crap. How does one make a carrier out of that? And now you could give me a short cynical answer, i know, but that wouldn’t cut it really, would it?
"Captain I’m setting up protective force field barrier and splash guard!!" "All hands, this is Scotty…standby for duck and cover exercises" 🙂
Scott
Thank the maker that I never had to do anything THAT low, hehehehehe
William
Still havent recieved a reimbursment or replacement.
very agravating and I will most likely never support one their releases again
Still havent recieved a reimbursment or replacement.
very agravating and I will most likely never support one their releases again
I figured as much!! sorry to hear of your aggravation…so much for the good neighbor policy, I had hoped that the person that got your package would be honest enough to take it to you…sad times we live in. I had ordered new parts for a new computer (which I’m using now) from Amazon, with a total of around $600.00 dollars, UPS knocked once and left the box on the front porch and drove off! not even a thank you or without so much as a by your leave!! I have one good neighbor around me, the rest I trust as far as I can throw this building. Good luck on getting your money back! I hope something good comes from this.
Scott
William
I would say both my friend! it seems the faster they can get their load out the truck door the more the company makes.
Scott
William
Premium channels have "After Dark" on demand selections which show soft core porn, all made for that market, which counts as Made for TV.
Someone call maintenance, we have a growing puddle on the floor 🙂
Scott
Scott
Hmmm, wondering what that Vox Sola creature from Enterprise was made of … YUK :I
UNLESS….You were just talking about my puddle.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/spocksmiley.gif
living spit? or old snot rags? hehehehe
Scott
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Sorry about that….PLEASE DON’T BANISH ME….unless the place plays TOS music.:)
Well need Soundtrekker for a wee little music! Oh, your not going anywhere AZSneed….someone has to clean up that growing lake on me deck and I want it to shine like Captain Picards head Mister!! 😉
Scott
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Precious bodily fluids : D
Laddy if I didn’t care I’d open an airlock and we’d be ice skating through the corridors! 🙂 I wear a red shirt and have survived (of course me name is on the credits hehehe) so you just stick by me and we will get through this! I have a 112 year old bottle of Scotch we can share! well stomp some brain cells, and we can find us a couple of low-mileage pit woffies and help them build a memory. 😉
Scott
Anyhow, I ran across this link to an interview with Gerald Fried, and thought there might be some interest:
Gerald Fried Interview | Archive of American Television (http://www.emmytvlegends.org/interviews/people/gerald-fried)
Some of you may have encountered it already, but it was new to me. There’s some TOS-related material, and quite a bit on Fried’s other film and TV work, as well, including Roots and The Killing. Interesting stuff from a talented man. Enjoy!
Well, that will teach you from staying away for so long!http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/devil.gif
Did anybody else notice that you can sing "Flintstones, Meet the Flintstones" on top of Jerry Goldsmith’s Voyager theme and they fit pretty well?
I know, that’s not TOS, but I thought it fit amongst the general chaos, I would try and slip that one in …
Still waiting for file-hoster suggestions,
Mark
Mark’s Super Blog (http://markssuperblog.blogspot.com/)
Spock’s Record Round-Up (http://spocksrecordround-up.blogspot.com/)
Sorry about my above post, wrong thread somehow. I was upset, ’tis being edited now.
Scott
No need to worry Amanda! we do not think less of you.
Scott
As mine was the last post, and being in a continuous transporter loop at one time…I’d say the latter laddy! 🙂
Scott
William
Aye, I have enjoyed this site for 2 years now and have loved Star Trek from the very first episode (1966..and yes I am old) through all the movies and TV shows and made some great friends along the way! the best part is it has opened my ears to some of the greatest music ever heard. We do have a troll problem, but with a little rodent eradicator (a phaser well do, set on kill) well take care of that! we shall continue onward!! because we love Star Trek!! So Say We All!!!
Scott
Scott, you forgot about the toxic odor from a vaporized troll, so a phaser is not recommended.
Yes, Star Trek Brothers and Sisters, our love is unbounded for all Star Trek. (except for the 2009 movie for most of us.)
Scott, you forgot about the toxic odor from a vaporized troll, so a phaser is not recommended.
Yes, Star Trek Brothers and Sisters, our love is unbounded for all Star Trek. (except for the 2009 movie for most of us.)
My bad!! the 2009 movie does not count because it is NOT True Trek!! it is space dodo!!
I see your point (or smell your point) my friend! plus it would set off the alarms!! 😉 then it is settled, Transport the vermin into space!
Scott
It’s now been a few months since I got it (the day it came out – paid for it) and I still enjoy listening to it. All of it. I frequently start a playlist of each disc (EAC’ed them all to my PC) and I listen to a whole disc-at-a-time while I’m doing whatever it is I’m doing on the PC. Some scores that I was not particularly interested in early on – have now begun to interest me and I’m liking this set more and more each time I listen to it. I’ve gone thru the whole set 4 or 5 times, now. Start to finish, disc 1 to disc 15 – I even listen to the library stuff.
I have tried to contribute to a thread over on the Steve Hoffman forums that never seemed to generate any interest over there. At least, here, I can say that I like it and know that others do, too.
It’s now been a few months since I got it (the day it came out – paid for it) and I still enjoy listening to it. All of it. I frequently start a playlist of each disc (EAC’ed them all to my PC) and I listen to a whole disc-at-a-time while I’m doing whatever it is I’m doing on the PC. Some scores that I was not particularly interested in early on – have now begun to interest me and I’m liking this set more and more each time I listen to it. I’ve gone thru the whole set 4 or 5 times, now. Start to finish, disc 1 to disc 15 – I even listen to the library stuff.
I have tried to contribute to a thread over on the Steve Hoffman forums that never seemed to generate any interest over there. At least, here, I can say that I like it and know that others do, too.
Your opinion is welcomed here! the more the better…
Scott
"…..the 2009 movie does not count because it is NOT True Trek!! it is space dodo!!"
"…..loved Star Trek from the very first episode (1966..and yes I am old)"
I say Amen to everything!! I’m 57 and have been a Trekkie from day one. And my decades old quest for the music has been fulfulled, thanks to the ffshrine tos music thread. May God bless you all !!
"…..the 2009 movie does not count because it is NOT True Trek!! it is space dodo!!"
"…..loved Star Trek from the very first episode (1966..and yes I am old)"
I say Amen to everything!! I’m 57 and have been a Trekkie from day one. And my decades old quest for the music has been fulfulled, thanks to the ffshrine tos music thread. May God bless you all !!
Thank You and you are welcome! I too have been on the same quest and thanks to all the True Trek fans (you know who you are) I am almost done.
Scott
LOL some days I feel the same way 🙂
Scott
If I remember right, their are a few, not many! not everyone has the paid program to convert to PDF, and its far cheaper and smaller to just scan an image.
Scott
No Way In Hell!!
I plan on never giving up on True Trek! Norpin Colony is for depends wearing Klingon’s and Romulan sucky baby’s. 😉
Scott
It’s okay!! we are still good!
Keep fighting the good fight my friend!
Scott
That being said, I also have a surprise. As some of you know, I’ve been looking all over for a copy of the book "The music of Star Trek" by Jeff Bond. Soundtrekker had offered to scan it for me, by hand (YIKES) one page at a time, but fortunately, a contact on another forum, an EBOOK forum, came through this morning with a PDF copy of the book, so I decided that it would be great to share it here! I mean, why not, this is a TOS thread, right?
Here is the link:
https://hotfile.com/dl/179593955/0d366a8/The_Music_of_Star_Trek.pdf.html
and, you know, it’s just like money and manure, it’s only good when you spread it around! 🙂
William
Hi,I’m now writing some articles to introduce the star trek music to Chinese film music fan, I need some rescore, can anyone help me reupload this book please?
Thanks!
Thanks!
lester1231, this is a new upload for the book you’re looking for. There are also two more shorter articles I’ve added, that may be of interest to you (described below):
https://mega.co.nz/#!TcQBSKTT!eOCe9EmrGURTaSab-LRCov7mpB7ZfLaZFXFNaeA-YEY
This file contains:
Bond, Jeff: The Music of Star Trek. Profiles in Style. Lone Eagle Publishing Company, 1999 [pdf]
Fred Steiner: ???Music for Star Trek: Scoring a Television Show in the Sixties,??? in Iris B. Newsom, ed., Wonderful Inventions:
Motion Pictures, Broadcasting and Recorded Sound at the Library of Congress. Washington: Library of
Congress, 1985.(p. 286-309) [jpg scans]
Bond, Jeff (1997): "The Music of Classic Star Trek". (published in the magazine "Star Trek Communicator" in the mid-90ies) [jpg scans]
Just the main theme? sure. many, many sci-fi compilation albums have gone that route in different takes. I could not tell you whach off hand.
Did the big TOS box set make it on here yet, or are people still waiting?
Alright. Good Luck, Amanda. 🙂 (*Thumbs Up*)
**Goddess is tired now**
Did anybody else notice that you can sing "Flintstones, Meet the Flintstones" on top of Jerry Goldsmith’s Voyager theme and they fit pretty well?
I know, that’s not TOS, but I thought it fit amongst the general chaos, I would try and slip that one in …
Still waiting for file-hoster suggestions,
Mark
Mark’s Super Blog (http://markssuperblog.blogspot.com/)
Spock???s Record Round-Up (http://spocksrecordround-up.blogspot.com/)
O.o ??? Wait a minute, What?….. Your kidding, right?
Here are two different versions of the TOS theme in a more symphonic arrangement. The first link was taken from The Star Trek Album and was conducted by Mike Townend with the Royal Philharmonic orchestra. And the next link is from a version conducted by the late Erich Kunzel for the album Symphonic Star Trek.
Download Star Trek The TV Series – Theme.mp3 from Sendspace.com – send big files the easy way (http://www.sendspace.com/file/7ywuat)
Download Main Theme From Star Trek (Original TV Series).mp3 from Sendspace.com – send big files the easy way (http://www.sendspace.com/file/cgoj9x)
Enjoy 🙂
There is also this take which also includes the Motion Picture Main theme. It’s very beautiful & very cool. 🙂
Star trek suite OST – YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oy5NZbOaPbU)
Zippyshare.com (http://www51.zippyshare.com/v/36005519/file.html)
This file contains:
Bond, Jeff: The Music of Star Trek. Profiles in Style. Lone Eagle Publishing Company, 1999 [pdf]
Fred Steiner: ???Music for Star Trek: Scoring a Television Show in the Sixties,??? in Iris B. Newsom, ed., Wonderful Inventions:
Motion Pictures, Broadcasting and Recorded Sound at the Library of Congress. Washington: Library of
Congress, 1985.(p. 286-309) [jpg scans]
Bond, Jeff (1997): "The Music of Classic Star Trek". (published in the magazine "Star Trek Communicator" in the mid-90ies) [jpg scans]
I just want to say thanks for this. I love reading about scores and how they came about – and I love many of the Star Trek scores from TOS to today. I didn’t even know any of these existed! Going to read them later – made my day. Big thanks, Soundtrekker!
Here you go (RWQ for link).
Request the link from "Q"????
Hehehehehehe 🙂
What does that mean?
William
Don’t fear, the Squire’s near:
– link deleted –
(A new one can be found further below on this site!)
Never mind
🙂
William
Request the link from "Q"????
Hehehehehehe 🙂
What does that mean?
William
"Reply With Quote". Then you’ll find the link. I reposted the Jeff Bond book on Dec 2!
I got it. I didn’t see it until after I posted.
TMOST_JB.rar – 98.3 MB (http://www.sendmyway.com/4swz6jz1etty)
I’m having a bit of a problem navigating this Link. Which one is the real download & which ones are the ads?
How dose this link work?
How dose this link work?
Use the blue button "Create Download Link" not the green button "Download".
Type in the response and "Submit Query".
Click the checkbox just below the "Download Now" button (with supertiny print that says "Download with SendMyWay download manager and get premium speeds") to remove the check for using their download manager. De-Click this FIRST!
Click "Download Now" button just above it.
https://mega.co.nz/#!TcQBSKTT!eOCe9EmrGURTaSab-LRCov7mpB7ZfLaZFXFNaeA-YEY
This file contains:
Bond, Jeff: The Music of Star Trek. Profiles in Style. Lone Eagle Publishing Company, 1999 [pdf]
Fred Steiner: ???Music for Star Trek: Scoring a Television Show in the Sixties,??? in Iris B. Newsom, ed., Wonderful Inventions:
Motion Pictures, Broadcasting and Recorded Sound at the Library of Congress. Washington: Library of
Congress, 1985.(p. 286-309) [jpg scans]
Bond, Jeff (1997): "The Music of Classic Star Trek". (published in the magazine "Star Trek Communicator" in the mid-90ies) [jpg scans]
I got a request for it and re-uploaded it on mega, so if anybody else is interested, here’s your chance! 🙂
https://mega.co.nz/#!TcQBSKTT!eOCe9EmrGURTaSab-LRCov7mpB7ZfLaZFXFNaeA-YEY
This file contains:
Bond, Jeff: The Music of Star Trek. Profiles in Style. Lone Eagle Publishing Company, 1999 [pdf]
Fred Steiner: “Music for Star Trek: Scoring a Television Show in the Sixties,” in Iris B. Newsom, ed., Wonderful Inventions:
Motion Pictures, Broadcasting and Recorded Sound at the Library of Congress. Washington: Library of
Congress, 1985.(p. 286-309) [jpg scans]
Bond, Jeff (1997): "The Music of Classic Star Trek". (published in the magazine "Star Trek Communicator" in the mid-90ies) [jpg scans]