The noob to noob all noobs.
I was going to point it out myself, but it looks like you guys already took care of it. Why would someone start a request thread for the recording sessions for two scores, let alone not even mention their OSTs–on top of the fact that there is still a very long wait before they ever even come out?
Jedisaurus, it is too early for this.
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Or if you want to talk about Tintin and The Hobbit but not the music make one in General discussion.
His style is so dated, it’s a miracle how the
guy is still getting jobs these days.
My expectations: Both scores will turn out
boring and stark.
Tyler Bates and Spielberg would be the
ultimate match. But guess what? It won’t
happen.
It’s ridiculous to start a thread like this,
4 months before the fact. You should
know that.
His style is so dated, it’s a miracle how the
guy is still getting jobs these days.
My expectations: Both scores will turn out
boring and stark.
Tyler Bates and Spielberg would be the
ultimate match. But guess what? It won’t
happen.
It’s ridiculous to start a thread like this,
4 months before the fact. You should
know that.
You should know that I answered this before. Don’t you read previous posts? I like Williams, sure he may be past his prime, but he still writes some good stuff. Can you actually read notes, or are you just angry?
As for the thread, sorry Jedi, but starting it is just insane
I created a discussion thread in genneral discussion. It is rarely used, but perhaps I oughtta go find it.
I didn’t know about the Pirates thread.
But you are right – I was overreacting.
What concerns me about older scores
is that they sound not sufficient for a
modern audience anymore (as great
anmd remarkable as they are as solo
efforts). Zimmer and Newton-Howard
brought it to another level in the mid-
90s and therefore made the Williams
or Goldsmith or Barry styles obsolete.
They still wrote/write good music, but
not modern film music that goes with
today’s films and audiences (I’m not
talking about stupid or not stupid, all
I want to say is that the audience’s
sensibilities have been changed). And
guys like Bates ‘n’ company will become
better and better in the next 12 years,
even if they now, to our ears, sound
irritating or off with certain choices they
make. And they will gradually and finally
replace even the most dominant voices
of Zimmer, Horner ‘n’ company.
Watching "Days of Thunder" in 1989, who
would have said that Zimmer would be the
game-changing artist some 6 years later?
And would become a master of the craft
in the noughties?
Even I thought he was just another popper
then, trying to get accepted in a field that
tends to reject the pop artists.
Schenectady
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@jedisaurus:
Carry on with your stuff.
I’m just a little touchy.
Nothing to speak of.
What concerns me about older scores
is that they sound not sufficient for a
modern audience anymore (as great
anmd remarkable as they are as solo
efforts). Zimmer and Newton-Howard
brought it to another level in the mid-
90s and therefore made the Williams
or Goldsmith or Barry styles obsolete.
They still wrote/write good music, but
not modern film music that goes with
today’s films and audiences (I’m not
talking about stupid or not stupid, all
I want to say is that the audience’s
sensibilities have been changed). And
guys like Bates ‘n’ company will become
better and better in the next 12 years,
even if they now, to our ears, sound
irritating or off with certain choices they
make. And they will gradually and finally
replace even the most dominant voices
of Zimmer, Horner ‘n’ company….
that is of course your own opinion. meaning your "own".
it’s not like you know everything there is to know to properly gauge the taste of the general public for that matter.
I’m sorry to correct you in that point:
That, exactly, is my JOB.
But thank you for the description.
On record, Faleel.
On record.
Try this:
Have you ever tried to watch a Transformers
movie, with sound off, but accompanied by
your favorite John Williams action score from
the 70’s, 80’s, maybe early 90’s? Mind the
speed, and which thing is slowing the other
thing down?
Another one:
Watch Pirates of the Caribbean, putting
Korngold under it. What happens? Do you
realize why they’ve chosen a more rock
flavoured score instead the classic pirate
music that would have been on the nose?
Try to watch the whole finale of "Troy",
with Miklos Rozsa’s El Cid playing in the
background. What do you notice, beyond
the logical anachronisms?
Watch Jurassic Park with the LOTR-
music by Howard Shore underneath.
Will that match? Or is it odd, throwing
you out of the experience?
Or Inception. Find music that matches
with the images, out of your Jerry Gold-
smith library.
It’s not about the composition and the
quality of the music as such. It’s about
finding a style that fits those new films.
All what Jablonsky, Badelt, Zimmer, Bates,
Gregson-Williams are trying to achieve in
the first place, is coming up with a style
that helps the images and the particular
film without pulling the audience out of
the movie.
For them, it’s secondary if their scores
can stand up alone on Cd or record. And
these people are at the top of their game
right now. They pay them a lot of money
for that.
It will be tough to find a better score for
Inception than the one Hans has written.
LOL!
On record, Faleel.
On record.
Try this:
Have you ever tried to watch a Transformers
movie, with sound off, but accompanied by
your favorite John Williams action score from
the 70’s, 80’s, maybe early 90’s? Mind the
speed, and which thing is slowing the other
thing down?
Another one:
Watch Pirates of the Caribbean, putting
Korngold under it. What happens? Do you
realize why they’ve chosen a more rock
flavoured score instead the classic pirate
music that would have been on the nose?
Try to watch the whole finale of "Troy",
with Miklos Rozsa’s El Cid playing in the
background. What do you notice, beyond
the logical anachronisms?
Watch Jurassic Park with the LOTR-
music by Howard Shore underneath.
Will that match? Or is it odd, throwing
you out of the experience?
Or Inception. Find music that matches
with the images, out of your Jerry Gold-
smith library.
It’s not about the composition and the
quality of the music as such. It’s about
finding a style that fits those new films.
All what Jablonsky, Badelt, Zimmer, Bates,
Gregson-Williams are trying to achieve in
the first place, is coming up with a style
that helps the images and the particular
film without pulling the audience out of
the movie.
For them, it’s secondary if their scores
can stand up alone on Cd or record. And
these people are at the top of their game
right now. They pay them a lot of money
for that.
It will be tough to find a better score for
Inception than the one Hans has written.
LOL!
I do have to say that you kind of fucked up here.
Just to be clear, you know you really arent proving a point by putting an older score on a new film who’s style isnt really similar?
Its like saying, oh look.. look at this old man, if we put him in new clothes its not like he’ll look any younger. OF COURSE HE WONT.. HES FUCKING OLD AND SMELLS LIKE DEATH. Sort of like the opposite of what you are trying to say.
While composing techniques have changed with the times, there are many composers who have been able transcend time, either with the scores themselves, or by adopting new styles and techniques.
On record, Faleel.
On record.
Try this:
Have you ever tried to watch a Transformers
movie, with sound off, but accompanied by
your favorite John Williams action score from
the 70’s, 80’s, maybe early 90’s? Mind the
speed, and which thing is slowing the other
thing down?
Another one:
Watch Pirates of the Caribbean, putting
Korngold under it. What happens? Do you
realize why they’ve chosen a more rock
flavoured score instead the classic pirate
music that would have been on the nose?
Try to watch the whole finale of "Troy",
with Miklos Rozsa’s El Cid playing in the
background. What do you notice, beyond
the logical anachronisms?
Watch Jurassic Park with the LOTR-
music by Howard Shore underneath.
Will that match? Or is it odd, throwing
you out of the experience?
Or Inception. Find music that matches
with the images, out of your Jerry Gold-
smith library.
It’s not about the composition and the
quality of the music as such. It’s about
finding a style that fits those new films.
All what Jablonsky, Badelt, Zimmer, Bates,
Gregson-Williams are trying to achieve in
the first place, is coming up with a style
that helps the images and the particular
film without pulling the audience out of
the movie.
For them, it’s secondary if their scores
can stand up alone on Cd or record. And
these people are at the top of their game
right now. They pay them a lot of money
for that.
It will be tough to find a better score for
Inception than the one Hans has written.
LOL!
betcha by golly wow..i can’t believe it…
N-10_Aden, just this one post please.
there.
Just try it. And be honest with yourself.
Does a score produced 16 years ago and
older still sound CONTEMPORARY to your
ears?
Say, if we had a time machine, and we
travelled back to Hollywood in the 1950’s…
QUESTION:
What if …
we could convince Miklos Rozsa to compose
the soundtrack for TRANSFORMERS 3. What
particular style would he come up with?
I think the movies dictate 80% of what
the music has to sound like in the finished
product. Having worked in the field for some
time, I know the process.
ANSWER:
Facing the film, and looking at the strange new
equipment in his modern office, Rozsa would do
exactly the same thing as Jablonsky.
Just with theremins.
makes me chicken out!
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Btw i love John Williams but i love me some Pirates too.
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I think the first person heard the real deal and the second one has the sheet music.