Lemme know what you guys think.
::leans on his staff, waiting:: :eye:
I think it boils down to this though…
**Spoiler**
Who is still alive?
Not Sephiroth.
Not Zack.
Therefore, if we’re talking about the skills of the character, and not the character themselves, Cloud is the victor.
Although if we’re talking about the character’s personalities and stuff, I have to admit that Sephiroth is one of the best villains in video game history.
Zack. He was a 1st Class Soldier, and Cloud was a low-level one. Zack was very resistent to the Mako treatments, while Cloud was very injured. He was killed trying to protect Cloud, and the Shinra soldiers didn’t kill him because they thought he was dead. I think Zack would have became much more powerful than Cloud if he had survived. My opinion.
At the time of the happenings at Nibleheim then Zack was stronger than cloud and sephiroth was the strongest but if zack was alive all the way through he would become better than sephiroth as well as cloud. Then he would be stronger than Cloud at the point of the end battle. Difficult qusestion
SPOILERS
Cloud IS Zack. All Cloud originally was was a little worthless soldier, he just got amnesia and thinks he’s Zack. Zack is the one with the real skills.
Cloud was in such a low rank, and Zack was stronger than him.
BUT
**Spoiler (Again)**
In the Lifestream when we find out the truth about who Cloud really was, we see that Zack is unable to make a dent on Sephiroth when attacking him. Cloud is able to wound Sephiroth (true, it was a lucky shot from behind, but I’ll count it…) And then he was able to go after him a SECOND time, and even though he was stabbed in the shoulder (or chest, I don’t know which) he was able to grasp the blade and throw Sephiroth in the chasm below the bridge.
And that was before all this Jenova and Mako enhancement and stuff.
And as you know Cloud was level one to Sephs 50 in his flashback at Kalm town, but you also know that he was pretty much playing the role of Zack there. Therefore, ZACK was at level one in that flashback! But I’m not sure whether Cloud or Zack would qualify for number 2. Zack was higher rank, but Cloud managed to get in a few cheap shots on Seph. Either way though, Sephiroth easily mops the floor with both of them.
VOTE= Cloud
Umm… you guys seem to be forgetting that when Cloud beat Sephiroth, he had the help from lets say 5-7 other peeps? Sure, Cloud was the only survivor, but had he gone it alone, he would get his ass creamed… unless you leveled him to 99 and gave him all master materia and pheonix-final attack combo, but you could do that with ANY character.
And as you know Cloud was level one to Sephs 50 in his flashback at Kalm town, but you also know that he was pretty much playing the role of Zack there. Therefore, ZACK was at level one in that flashback! But I’m not sure whether Cloud or Zack would qualify for number 2. Zack was higher rank, but Cloud managed to get in a few cheap shots on Seph. Either way though, Sephiroth easily mops the floor with both of them.
I disagree. Cloud is way stronger than Sephiroth could ever be. Sephiroth doesn’t have anything like the omnislash. And who says you can only beat Sephiroth with Cloud at a high level? I can beat Sephiroth at level 40 with Cloud alone. Sephiroth was weak. And in the very very last battle, you will kill Sephiroth no matter what. You can just stand there and let Sephiroth hit you, but Cloud will counter, and Sephiroth will be down in one hit. Not only that, Sephiroth takes 2 minutes to do this comet type summon, and it only does 9998 damage. Cloud can do 9999 every single time when he uses the Ultimate weapon(except against ruby weapon)! I’m sorry, but there’s just no competition here. Cloud wins.
I’ll go for Cloud ๐
(edit)And by we I mean me!(/edit)
VOTE=Cloud the bomb
Notice the ‘s’ after battle. There are three battles against Sephiroth at the end, and, (as someone said before), Cloud had all the the peeps helping him in the first two. This weakens Sephiroth with all the damage done to him by every one, so of course Cloud would be able to beat him in the last battle against him. Cloud is kool and all that, but Sephiroth is stronger and kooler.
There, I hope I make sense ๐
Sephiroth is actually fairly weak, nothing compared to the weapons. One omnislash and Sephiroth is dead. Cloud is capable of beating Sephiroth alone once he has the Ultimate Weapon and over level 40.
One of the strategies you can do is equip Cloud with nothing but 16 counterattacks. Sephiroth will hit him once, and Cloud will counter attack 16 times, doing 9999 damage each time. Sephiroth = dead in one round
but Sephiroth was the best bad guy ever in FF so far
Zack didnt do anythink!!!!
Clouds the man!!!!!!!
but Sephiroth was the best bad guy ever in FF so far
Zack didnt do anythink!!!!
Exactly! The best hero and the best villain in the FF series by far, which is why I love FF7 so much.
zacks a pussy, he was killed by like 4 shinra soldiers, cloud killed like 100 and a half. sephiroth kicks ass, but yet again cloud kicked the fuck outta him.
VOTE= Cloud
Zack was shot SEVERAL times in the HEAD. Nobody can survive that. Ironically, Cloud survived because of his weakness.
Zack is potentially the strongest, but got killed trying to protect Cloud. Amen.
You want to get into potential? Who stabbed Sephiroth(in the flash back, I mean)? Cloud. Zack couldn’t even touch Sephiroth and was sent flying. Not only did Cloud stab Sephiroth, when Sephiroth stabs him back a little bit later, he THREW Sephiroth over the edge. Zack has more potential? I don’t think so.
Cloud was probably weak because he was stabbed by Sephiroth, while Zack was just kicked out of the room. So Zack was in better shape. But really, Cloud has more potential and he eventually becomes the best.
OK… Sure you know about adrenaline reactions. Sephiroth destroyed Cloud’s city, killed his family, and almost killed his childhood friend, Tifa. He was very very angered by that. On the other hand, Zack wasn’t specially angry, he just thought it was unfair what he did. In some way, Cloud was lucky to kill Sephiroth.
What I’m saying is, in normal conditions Zack is stronger; but we never really see him angered like Cloud. That’s why I’m talking about potential –> the reaction to the Jenova treatments prove that.
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Sephiroth By far, then Cloud and then Zack, but they dont give much info on Zack at all.
Yes, Sephiroth was the best, while in my opinion, Cloud was just behind him, Zack really didnt do anything, so i have to go with Sephiroth, i mean, LOOK at all the POWER he has. I mean just look…..
lol, cant argue with you there
I like Sephroth the best cuz ya just gotta luv the bad guy!!! Sephroth, Seifer, Kuja, they’re all gr8!
add Kefka in there from VI, he had the most power in any game… well anyway, Sephiroth was the best one in any final fantasy that i can think of.
I like Cloud the best because his abilities improved so much from the beginning of the game and becomes so strong. (**SPOILERS**) When he toasted Sephiroth with that DOPE Omnislash at the end, I was absolutely amazed. Sephiroth comes a VERY close second. Its dope when hes in the flames at Kalm (I think its Kalm) and when he’s waiting for Cloud at the end with no shirt on. Zack had a DOPE hair-do but unfortunately, he’s my least favorite of the 3 Listen, that wasnt Sephiroth in Nibelheim, it was a clone of him, the clones lead Cloud to the real thing.
But my answer to the Question is………………………………
SEPHIROTH, because he is the best bad guy in any game ever made, best dressed, and the bravest one, cos’ he faced Cloud and the others on his own.
Does’nt anyone remember that Cloud is really the true Sephiroth clone, but he just did’nt turn out right.
But my answer to the Question is………………………………
SEPHIROTH, because he is the best bad guy in any game ever made, best dressed, and the bravest one, cos’ he faced Cloud and the others on his own. Im sorry, Cloud is not a clone, look under What happens in the game; the thread and find out. Jazzie said why, i really didnt know.
Im sorry, Cloud is not a clone, look under What happens in the game; the thread and find out. Jazzie said why, i really didnt know.
Hojo admitted that he was a Clone of Sephiroth, anyway which Sephiroth are we talking about the real Sephiroth the one thats either lost or dead or the Mako born Sephiroth.
sephiroth was also one of the most evil villians around.
and last but not least… Zack we hardly knew ye.
(3 hours later, and I mean it I forgot about this)
Yeah I totally agree.
(I was out late man did I have one hell of a headache when I woke up.)
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And you are dumb, cuz if cloud wasnt a clone he would’ve had memories of how he survived BEING IMPALED THROUGH THE HEART BY SEPH’S SWORD when he found himself in the lifestream.
Cloud is a clone. Its said over and over and over. Hojo says it. Cloud says it. Sephiroth says it. Hes a fricken clone.
2)Cloud is not a clone; he was exposed to Mako treatments after the Nibelheim incident. Don’t you remember when he’s with Tifa in the Lifestream? Have you ever seen his flashback with Zack in disk 2? Hojo & Sephy are trying to confuse Cloud.
its not seph becouse he’s a pussy not zack because he has bad hair and couldnt save clould and clould is the best becouse he is powerful looks good with a sword and i like him better
Sephiroth was no pussy, he could of kicked anyone ass any time he wanted, he was the strongest of all, you dont reach Top Rank of SOLDIER just because you are a good guy and everyone likes you, he earned it…
I killed all the other characters but cloud and beat him in 3 hits i was very dissapointed as the demon gate took my life 6 times before i was able to beat him.
sephiroth is bit of an easy fight at the end. But at the very end when it is just one-on-one it is the best fight i have ever had
Without a cool villian like Sephiroth, who always killed the monsters faster in the flashbacks…is so super cool and lets you wonder why Cloud can’t level up to him in the flashbacks!! Plus, he’s like just one damn hard boss who can’t died faster but slower…how about that one super-move he always do- SUPERNOVA- (I think that’s what its called)- That’s like a great long cool attack.
Zack and Cloud are also cool in their own ways…If there was no Zack, there would be no Cloud. And even though Cloud has that cool Level 4 Limit Break, if Zack was to live, he would had a cool Limit Break like that too. ๐
Cloud-too shy
Sephiroth-too greedy
Zack-boring zzz
Rufus – was too greedy but cool @ da same time
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P.S. i know that my avatar is seph but i still like Cloud
1. Dragons are really strong
2. Zack and Cloud was only 16 at that time
3.The levels in that game compare to normal people are fairly high if u think about it, a first class is ment to be the best and theyre only level 1
he only got mako poisned one time, when he and zack were at shinra manor he got injected with jenova cells
back to topic:
cloud owns!!! seph owns!!! they both own, zack is kinda cool, but seph first in badasness and cloud at a close second
(very close second, come on, silver hair rules!!):D
cloud and zack are kinda the same but cloud rules :lol :lol :lol
But also
1. Dragons are really strong
2. Zack and Cloud was only 16 at that time
3.The levels in that game compare to normal people are fairly high if u think about it, a first class is ment to be the best and theyre only level 1
Yes but Sephiroth was only what like in his 20’s right? So Sephiroth was weak ass for his age because in the Game Cloud is only 17 (Making him really young in flashback) and you can get him to levell 99. So if Sephiroth was only that strong at that time, Sephiroth is clearly not the best and as for the level thing, like Shinra first class is strong. It’s the strongest for them except for certain exeptions (ex. Sephiroth) but it is quite weak.
cloud wins!!!!
I think that Zach is fairly strong and have no doubt that he might have faired pretty well against Sephiroth.
I think sephiroth is strong and he would have to be crazy as well.
But Cloud is definatly the strongest in my opinion, look at all he has been through and think about yourselves. I dont think a homicidal mad man has ever killed all your freinds and family, burned your home town to a crisp, and then tried to kill your best freind……i dont think that youve ever been told your not real and your a failed science project…..and i moast certainly do not think that this man tried to take over your planet and tried to destroy it with every intetion of watching you wander aimlessly whle trying to stop him.
Cloud whent through a lot of emotional, physical, and spiritual changes on his journey. He never gave up, even when he was near death, he still pushed on. Cloud has Heart, not many can say that for zach because no one knew much about him and what we do see of him isnt that great. and Sephiroth is just after power, he didnt care if Tifa was sad, or if Aeris was never going to see the end of their long adventure. but Cloud did…..
Strength. Brute Force, Power…. Cloud didnt care about these things, He had freinds, can you say that about sephiroth?
soooo the hell you talkin about:erm: :confused:
what is up with the vincent thing
What do you mean?
Personaly I consider sephiroth as the ultimate final fantasy character.
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What do you mean?
i mean why did you say that
Sephy
Between C & Z
Cloud
& btw Cloud and Sephy were not bestfriends. I was Sephy and Zack.
PS: …. if Zack wasn’t killed …. it might not be this way though
this was the expression on my face when he asked ๐ฎ
Also who all here knows how to get zack besides me?
you get 2 guidebooks trade one for underwater materia then save the desert rose and earth harp and go to gongaga village. talk to zacks parents and the mom is all is that a desert rose. she says then please let us use it for we can revive zack if he smells the rose. then hes all woootahim back biatch and then hes all step off cloud you shithead:notgood:
hey got a question who here has been asked on the date by barret?
this was the expression on my face when he asked ๐ฎ
Also who all here knows how to get zack besides me?
you get 2 guidebooks trade one for underwater materia then save the desert rose and earth harp and go to gongaga village. talk to zacks parents and the mom is all is that a desert rose. she says then please let us use it for we can revive zack if he smells the rose. then hes all woootahim back biatch and then hes all step off cloud you shithead:notgood:
where did you find that out
SEPHIROTH all the way!!
As much as we like Cloud and cheer him on to victory, he doesn’t compare to Sephiroth
Why?
Mainly because Sephiroth is the evilest character in the game, he looks cool, he sounds cool (in the film Advent Children) and he has a massive 68 inch sword!!
and anyhow final fantasy vii is timeless
n ff7 is shit??
tis the best one of the lot!!
n if u think it is shit, why the hell u lookin at a forum on it, moron
As I said, most FF7 fans are stupid. This includes you. That is why you do not realize that it was fairly terrible.
And I look at all the forums, regardless of their content. Now fuck off.
1) i did english at A-level so do not talk to me about grammar
2) ff7 was the benchmark that all the subsequent games have tried but failed to live up to
3) you look at all the forums – you boring, boring bastard – get a life and grow some balls before you even think about arguing with me
now you fuck off
2) Bullshit. FFVII was a half-assed game that did a lesser job with what it had than other games around its time, but became popular based solely on exposure and the stupidity of kids like you.
3) What a poor excuse for an insult. Your wit is more unrefined than your pathetic taste in games.
Again, fuck off.
Actually, my screen name is named for Seph because he is the best villain ever, but not the best of the three in question.
your first point doesn’t make sense.
don’t call me kid, im older than you.
obviously you dont like ff7, so again why are you in a forum on it?
and have i hit a sensitive nerve with my comments?
but look, im getting tired of repeatedly beating you in an argument and laughing at how petty you are – i mean the amount of fuss you’re kicking up over a point i made – so im not gonna bother commenting anymore, however if you want to persist to try and get the better of me here is my email address [email protected].
FF7 is amazing, Sephiroth kicks-ass and you suck.
oh, also get another ending comment all this "fuck off" is getting boring and you’ll never make any friends if you keep telling people to fuck off.
That’s an in-joke, you numbskull. If you don’t get it, ignore it.
your first point doesn’t make sense.
It makes perfect sense if you use sense.
don’t call me kid, im older than you.
I rather doubt that. And if it’s true, woe unto the world.
obviously you dont like ff7, so again why are you in a forum on it?
Because it’s one part of a bigger community. Did you ever look around and notice the rest of it?
and have i hit a sensitive nerve with my comments?
Yeah, it’s called the I-Can’t-Stand-Sephiroth-humping-Fucktards Nerve.
but look, im getting tired of repeatedly beating you in an argument and laughing at how petty you are – i mean the amount of fuss you’re kicking up over a point i made – so im not gonna bother commenting anymore, however if you want to persist to try and get the better of me here is my email address [email protected].
I can guarantee you that no one is regarding you as the victor here. The rest of us are laughing at you.
FF7 is amazing, Sephiroth kicks-ass and you suck.
All I can do is laugh at the idiocy.
oh, also get another ending comment all this "fuck off" is getting boring and you’ll never make any friends if you keep telling people to fuck off.
The people I tell to fuck off usually aren’t worth having as friends in the first place. Now fuck off.
I will not lie in saying that I am not one for I am. I’m a Sephiroth fangirl but I’m falling out of that phase. He’s a decent character with a screwed up past and loses his mind but essentially that’s all he is.
I may have posted before that I thought Seph was the best of the three but I have to agree with Sephiroth777Enix in saying that Zack is the better of the three. And actually, I think the only reasons I liked Seph was because he finished off the Cetra.
Anyway, I’ve said what I came to say and so I take my leave once more.
but do any of you realise how childish you all and even me sound? getting so worked up because i think the one video game character is better than another, or because i think FF7 has the best storyline or whatever – get a god damn life!!
but please don’t stop calling me a cunt, because i really find it quite amusing that i can bring out people’s emotions and hatred with a few simple taps on my keyboard.
you might not like me, but guess what – i dont care
EDit: Stop hating Prak :p
Heaven forbid, cunts like you are allowed internet access.
but do any of you realise how childish you all and even me sound? getting so worked up because i think the one video game character is better than another, or because i think FF7 has the best storyline or whatever – get a god damn life!!
I beleive the reason for the flaming is that you were stupid enough to revive a thread for a shit reason, just like many fanboys before you, we all have very comftable lives, thank you very much, and the only one that sounds like a child is you, since you display the intelligence of one.
but please don’t stop calling me a cunt, because i really find it quite amusing that i can bring out people’s emotions and hatred with a few simple taps on my keyboard.
It’s amusing that you think people will stop, when you continue to show the intelligence of a 4 year old.
you might not like me, but guess what – i dont care
Thats great, now fuck off.
Don’t revive 3 year old threads. And if you had read the forum charter, there’s a link to character discussion.
But, assuming by the fact that you revived a 3 (technically 5, since it was started in 2002) year old thread and did NOT post in the official character discussion thread, I think you’re a complete moron.