and i think paying 30 bucks for the strat guide could have saved you the 50 hours you just erased in the game right?
IF YOUR A PERFECTIONIST, GET A STRAT GUIDE!!!
It’s a sinister tactic to sell strategy guides. It’s basically extortion and every time you buy a guide for such a game, you encourage companies to take advantage of you and milk you for every dime you’re worth because you’re a fucking moron.
i’m content being milked by the japs. at least it feels good compared to defying them and getting nothing out of it. :p
Like I said, if you still think the game developers are evil for hidden things like that in the game and "force" you to buy the strategy guide… I don’t know what to say. Go figure out things yourself: all the Espers, best weapons,e tc… It is possible to attain everything by oneself, it simply is not likely. It’s like crying when someone won the lotto by shear luck and you didn’t – it isn’t exactly fair. A hard-working person can make just as much, but why spend 24/7 working when you can write down 6 magic numbers. It is probably not the best example and by no means I intend to insult anyone, I’m just trying to illustrate my point.
If a player cannot possibly figure something out on his/her own, then it should not be in a game in the first place. Creating such scenarios is an unnecessary and unethical practice that gives no deeper value to a game and merely serves to drain more money from the wallets of consumers. I have nothing against guides in and of themselves, but the practice of designing games to make guides necessary is bullshit.
Nothing is lost: the spear is still there, as well as all the other items. The only things you need to progress the game are the key items and you can’t possibly miss them. You mentioned I missed the point and you were being nice for not "not writing me off as an idiot immediately", would you mind shed some light on the subject as if you understand the point? Hopefully with backup and/or examples.
But if you buy the guide, you’re succumbing to their evil plans. Those jappo bastards love hiding stuff in their games that no one can possibly find without the damn guide. It’s practically extortion when you can’t get everything out of a game you’ve already paid for without buying the guide as well.
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If you can’t get a weapon because you opened a chest near the beginning of the game, that is bullshit. No one in their right mind is going to pass on a chest unless they know about that. And the only way to find out is… you guessed it. A guide.
It’s a sinister tactic to sell strategy guides. It’s basically extortion and every time you buy a guide for such a game, you encourage companies to take advantage of you and milk you for every dime you’re worth because you’re a fucking moron.
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It’s not just about a single weapon. It’s about the entire mentality that allows things like that.
Dear Prak,
These are assorted replies you had contributed in this thread (I hope I didn’t miss anything!). As far as I can tell, you don’t like the fact that the game developers put secret content in it and only those with the guide can find them, therefore buying the guide is to encourage and support their actions. I would further assume that if you have a choice you’d revolt such "tactic" by not buying the guide (or look up online, for that matter), starting with yourself. Please correct me if I’m mistaken.
My simple reply is that, though I don’t disagree with you in the facts (things in the game you need some sort of "guide" to discover), one should approach such fact with the mentality that they are normal just like everything else in this world. We like options. Player A may enjoy killing every mob in the game and compile a list of what dropped off each one while Player B looked up online, went ahead and killed those only he needed. Your mileage may vary. Who’s "right" in this case, Player A or B? The answer is neither. FF-XII is a game, a game has content, if you really want to spend hundreds of hours to figure out everything then no one is stopping you. It is probable for someone to discover the secret of the Zodiac Spears all on his own, I just hope it’s better than hitting Jackpot which stands nicely at 0.00000007151%.
Then of course, all these will be a monologue because you "will not associate further with me of my own volition".
Happy gaming everyone, it is a truly amazing game.
Yours truly,
Joclyn
Prak’s just saying that if there are aspects of the game that are left purely to chance and/or are impossible to figure out solely by the gamer, it shouldn’t be there
games are meant to be played and solved through logic and critical thinking, not by looking through a guide…otherwise, you’re left with nothing more than a pop-up book on steroids
For one thing, my point is a general one that is not specifically directed at FFXII, but does use it as an example. Now, you say it is possible to discover such a secret on one’s own? How are they to do that when no clue is given. No one with any sense is going to pass up a treasure chest unless they know for a fact that there will be some benefit in doing so. The chance of someone finding it on their own is almost non-existent, but a person finding it and understanding why it appeared is entirely impossible.
And to address your lottery metaphor, at least people with lottery tickets know what there is to be gained and will understand what has happened if they win.
EDIT, I love that metaphor about a pop-up book on steroids. I’ll be using that in the future, I think!
that metaphor was something that a D&D buddy of mine used to describe a good majority of games that claimed to be RPGs
he just blurted it out one day when this kid tried to tell him that pen-and-paper RPGs weren’t real games…he moved on to say that "a game where the story in general is pre-dictated is nothing more than a pop-up book on steroids"
it stuck with our group ever since
What I was arguing against was the attitude Prak had. I didn’t sense any hostility in my original post, yet I received replies like "idiot" and "dumbass", and those were "out of courtesy". What for? And it wasn’t like I was making things up: I stated my thesis and backed up with facts, which I think is a much mature way to present a point.
Although thanks z.zetsumei for trying to mediate with a neutral viewpoint.
I said for someone to obtain the same effect without a guide is possible, but not probable. One person getting struck by lightening twice and live both times is very possible, but most likely not probable, by the same token. In case you need further explanations, I can recommend a few sites/books about logic since someone here needs some.
Also, challenging my maturity does not in any way alter the fact that my viewpoint is based in the purest logic and is infallible by that standard, nor does it strengthen your own position of resistance, as most people here understand that I am always correct about such things.
that’s my view on things. heck. i just went online and baught the old ff7,8, and 9 guides even though i already have near perfect games and passed them years ago. what do i need them for? (i like to collect things :p)
but yah. prak is on to something. i can’t agree with him yet whether such things should or should not be in a game. but when you think about it, it does seem sneaky. :p
all in all. we got a dead thread here. would someone mind sealing it shut now? bringing any point back would just be -_- since everything that could be said has been said.
so how’s that list going?
btw, all the loot you get from the mark hunts, is it okay to sell those? i mean it’s not used for anything; but the bazaar is it?