Waddya guys think?
A mon avis Metallica rock way more cause they put more thought into showmanship and their albums all rule. like ‘and justic for all’ and ‘metallica’
Kirk is the best guitarist and James is the ultimate frontman and Lars, well cmon nuff sed!
Aren’t they the ones who put subliminal messages in their music?
I like Metallica. St. Anger was shit, though.
Sweet fuck, you do not know what you’re talking about.
I like Metallica more, don’t get me wrong, but you talk out of your ass. Metallica come on, they play, they growl, they talk to the crowd, they do encores, etc, etc.
Iron Maiden come on IN COSTUMES. They battle GIGANTIC PUPPETS ONSTAGE. They do what metallica do too.
Iron Maiden, however, really have been lacking for a while. Their concerts get shitty people, and everything’s blurring into one long track from them nowadays. Even their old stuff never really wet my whistle.
Kirk is the best guitarist and James is the ultimate frontman and Lars, well cmon nuff sed!
James is a great frontman.
Kirk is a good guitarist, but in no way, shape, or form is he "the best."
Lars Ulrich is an okay drummer. However, he needs to learn how to get that shit sampled, because really, St. Anger was worse because of that.
I think I’m the only person alive who actually liked St. Anger. It’s mostly because I’ve seen a few tracks live. The drums do add to it.
Ride the Lightning shits on and justice. FIN.
Kirk is a good guitarist, but in no way, shape, or form is he "the best."
Lars Ulrich is an okay drummer. However, he needs to learn how to get that shit sampled, because really, St. Anger was worse because of that.
I think I’m the only person alive who actually liked St. Anger. It’s mostly because I’ve seen a few tracks live. The drums do add to it.
Ride the Lightning shits on and justice. FIN.
Okay not the best but i think i meant the better out of the two.
St anger?!!!!!!
u must be on another planet mate.
Apart from that all albums rock (except the above St disgrace) so y get all red faced over which one rocks more huh? Chill!
I don’t really know what the hell Iron Maiden is like NOW, but as far as I know they were one of the best real metal bands out there back in their day, and Metallica is as far as I can tell a bunch of snotty sellouts. I don’t think anything they do is profound or meaningful or touching and I certainly don’t think that they are a kickin’ metal band by any stretch of the imagination.
Go listen to Slayer.
I don’t really know what the hell Iron Maiden is like NOW, but as far as I know they were one of the best real metal bands out there back in their day, and Metallica is as far as I can tell a bunch of snotty sellouts. I don’t think anything they do is profound or meaningful or touching and I certainly don’t think that they are a kickin’ metal band by any stretch of the imagination.
Go listen to Slayer.
Well put my friend. i agree old school rock in general is superior!
Kiss, Metallica, iron maiden (yes i may prefere metallica but that doesn’t mean i dont listen to maiden), twisted sister.
Kiss, Metallica, iron maiden (yes i may prefere metallica but that doesn’t mean i dont listen to maiden), twisted sister.
Don’t ever put that shitty Hair Metal band Kiss in the same sentance as Metallica or Iron Maiden, Kiss really aren’t even metal…..there shit.
Anyway, I like Iron Maiden for who they are than Metallica. I own more Metallica than Maiden, but I just like the way Maiden are in general.
St anger?!!!!!!
u must be on another planet mate.
Apart from that all albums rock (except the above St disgrace) so y get all red faced over which one rocks more huh? Chill!If you can’t like St. Anger, you’re just another generic fan to me. Really. See them live, then tell me it’s a disgrace.
or something along those lines.
Well, I guess I can’t say that. I’ve never been to a Metallica show, I never bought one of their CDs; never did anything but download their music and read their lyrics off the ‘net just like I do with all the other music/bands that I listen to. But for me, Metallica was my first band that I listened to religiously. I’ve heard all their CDs: I used to listen to each one every day back in 9th grade. I think their lyrics are awesome as hell but I can see where some people would think they suck or are cheesy. I guess you can call me cheesy… or suck, I you want. ~_- But yeah, I just love Metallica. When St. Anger came out, wow, I just didn’t listen to anything else.
Invisible Kid!
Never see what he did!
Got stuck where he hid!
Fallin’ through the grid!
I mean, damn! Cheesy; maybe. But I don’t give a fuck because it rocks my face off! Ahh!!! I kinda wanna listen to it now but I reformatted. >_<
I think Kirk is a damn good guitarist. He’s all over them guitar magazines.
James has the best metal voice, I think. Especially in the S&M albums.
Lars: Yeah, fuck him. He’s an ass and I don’t think he’s good at drums. Good thing his band rocks to back his ass up. I steal all my music, especially Metallica just out of spite. That fuck.
Rob, their new bass dude has cool hair. I honestly can’t hear the bass guitar half the time when I listen to Metallica anyways. I think the other dude, I forgot his name, was cooler, though.
So, yeah. My vote goes to Metallica.
I like the older Metallica songs, but also some Iron Maiden songs. Metallica now got a bit too tame in my opinion. They make more of the stuff everybody likes. Iron Maiden is still Iron Maiden. You like them, or you don’t.
To pick one of the two, I’d say Iron Maiden, though. They also have their mascot "Eddie" which is cool too. 😉
But I voted for Guns n’ Roses in the poll. =)
YES!!!!!
But it goes to Iron Maiden for being as influential as they have been
The only band out of that poll that I like at all is System of a Down.
I find that attitude nothing short of ridiculous. Entertainers should stick to entertaining. Most people don’t give a fuck what they think because we understand they don’t know what they’re talking about most of the time.
My point is that most entertainers who comment on politics don’t know any more than a random goon on the street, yet think people should listen to them just because they’re famous or something. They tend to be egomaniacs, which anyone with two brain cells to rub together sees through. And as for being brainwashed, I think listening to the opinions of celebrities who have nothing to do with the issues they rant about is far more likely to induce that.
"most entertainers who comment on politics don’t know any more than a random goon on the street"
Well who are you to say that they don’t know what they’re talking about?
"I think listening to the opinions of celebrities who have nothing to do with the issues"
I’m pretty sure they know a lot more than you do about the Armenian Genocide, seeing as how they’re all Armenian and have family that have been through it. Then again, maybe you’re Armenian and can contradict something they have to say?
Listen to Prison Song, Deer Dance, or watch the Boom! video. Listen to the facts, look them up, then prove me wrong. Stop defending that son of a Bush!
hey, you’ll wanna watch out for:
Prak and Top Cat. THEY R MEAN
-Chewey
Apparently, I’m not the only one making assumptions, so maybe they’re not assumptions after all…
But where the fuck was Judas Priest?! The Priest rule them all!
Metallica kinda lost it after Cliff died. ‘Justice was pretty kickass, but everything went to hell after that. Maiden havn’t lost it, they’re not tryin’ to be media-friendly-hard-rock, they’re still in it for the fans and the music.
To the chappie who said that Kirk’s the best: are you off your fuckin’ rocker or what, mate?! Ever heard of Herman Li or Alexi Laiho? If you’ve never heard anything better than Hammett, you’ll be blown away.
I kinda agree with Phhoenyxx there, SoaD are quite good, and their songs are filled with some political messages that some politicians would do good to heed. Two good examples were named for you, I suggest you check those songs out.
Who are you to say that they do? They have no special education, so they’re not likely to know any more than your standard guy on the street, yet they talk like they’re experts.
I’m pretty sure they know a lot more than you do about the Armenian Genocide, seeing as how they’re all Armenian and have family that have been through it. Then again, maybe you’re Armenian and can contradict something they have to say?
Are you trying to make a point? I’m speaking in general terms and you’re trying to focus in on something in particular. No matter whether there’s anything to your argument or not, it is irrelevant in the context of the discussion.
Listen to Prison Song, Deer Dance, or watch the Boom! video. Listen to the facts, look them up, then prove me wrong. Stop defending that son of a Bush!
Heard them. Found them boring. And by bringing your hatred of President Bush to the front of the discussion when I hadn’t referenced him in any way, you’ve completely negated any credibility you might have had. It shows that you’re just eager to bash the man in any way possible, regardless of common sense, and that you’ll never hold a fair debate on the issue I brought forward because you’re arguing based on a personal vendetta.
When you learn to hold a reasonable discussion without making those stupid knee-jerk reactions, then come back and see me. I’m done with you until then.
Apparently, I’m not the only one making assumptions, so maybe they’re not assumptions after all…
Or maybe you’re just making the same assumptions. You’ve already shown that you listen to idiots who rant about things they know very little about as long as they say exactly what you want to hear.
lol.
*sigh* You’re supposed to check your coat at the door, not your brain.
This isn’t about proving any particular person or group wrong. There are no specifics being discussed. I’m speaking in very general terms and you’re trying to focus in on specifics, which is meaningless in the context of the discussion. You’re trying to change the nature of the argument because you can’t win on my terms. Tough luck, cause I won’t play that game.
As far as doing a half-assed job of bringing you down, I don’t need to do more. You do quite a good job of finishing it on your own.
And if you think I’m the one looking like a fool, you need to jam an oil can in your ear and lubricate your brain.
"Nearly 2 million Americans are incarcerated in the prison system of the US!"
– Fact!
"The percentage of Americans in the prison system has doubled since 1985!"
– Fact!
"Drug money is used to rig elections and train brutal corporate sponsored dictators around the world!"
– George W. Bush loves his crack, Enron, and Halliburton!
"Beyond the Staples Center, you can see America, with its tired poor avenging disgrace! Peaceful loving youth against the brutality of plastic existence! Pushing little children, with their fully automatics, they like to push the weak around!"
– American Government sending kids to war over false pretences while millions inside and outside the US protested against it.
"Modern globalization, coupled with condemnations, unnecessary death! Matador corporations, puppeting your frustrations with the blinded flag! Manufacturing consent is the name of the game! The bottom line is money, nobody gives a f**k! 4000 hungry children leave us per hour from starvation, while billions are spent on bombs, creating death showers!"
– So much can be said about this one, but I think you get the idea…
Don’t get me wrong, Iron Maiden are an amazing band, and black sabbath may have invented Metal music, but Metallica mastered it.
There are only four bands that are worthy to be on that poll and thats Metallica, Maiden, Guns ‘N’ Roses and Slayer. This is for the pure fact that they’ve been around way longer than Greenday and System Of A Down. All four of them are rock legends, just Metallica is the biggest.
(_Greenday and Metallica rule to :)_)
"you’re trying to change the argument from one about celebrities in general to one about SOAD."
It was never about celebrities, it was always about SOAD. When you realized you couldn’t discredit SOAD, you tried to change the subject to a more generalized perspective.
"Homing in on that one group is irrelevant to the context of my argument because whether they’re right or wrong in their opinions"
Yo, Flip-Flopper, it was always about SOAD. The only thing you had to do is prove that SOAD didn’t know what they were talking about. I never said that all entertainers knew what they were talking about, my point was that SOAD knew what they were talking about. Your job was to try to discredit SOAD, not every entertainer; and you failed.
This was my first post:
"System Of A Down because they are political and they are trying to make the world a better place."
Where do I talk about all entertainers in there? I don’t! I talk about SOAD, period! Next time you wanna bash my first post, bash the subject of my post, not the fictional post you saw while on crack! You tried so hard to change the context of my statement, but I wouldn’t allow it. If I had posted about all entertainers (which I wouldn’t because I don’t generalize), that’s a different story, but that’s not what I did. Stop trying to start sh*t just for the hell of starting sh*t! Look what it did… It mad you look like an a**!
Phhoenyxx: 1
Prak: 0
Who’s next?!
CURSE YOU JOHN KERRY.
But, one thing confuses me. Why this thread is called ‘Metallica V Iron Maiden’ when there are loads more bands to choose from. I don’t get it…?
Hey I think Metallica lyrics are deep as well. I LOVE Green Day and goin to see them too(Wooo Hoooo) on Feb the 10th. When u goin?? is it the same date?? 🙂
It was pretty good, but I couldn’t help laughing when they were writing their lyrics, because all they seemed to be doing was taking common sayings and giving them what they probably saw as an edgier twist.
I was not very impressed. =(
"System Of A Down because they are political and they are trying to make the world a better place."
You said that you liked SOAD because they’re political. That implies that you would like any activist entertainer. If that isn’t the case, you should have worded your original post differently to make the distinction. Also, since the context of your post was ambiguous (assuming I misinterpreted originally), I didn’t try to change it at all; merely followed it to the logical end.
Incidentally, if you wanna swear, do it properly.
Do you just make up meanings as you go along? How does that imply that I would like any activist entertainer? In the list to choose from, SOAD is my favourite band. I like many of them. I like Metallica, recently saw them at the Bell Center in Montreal (first sold out date on the tour); I like Green Day; I like Guns N’ Roses; I like most of them actually. But I like SOAD the most, and ONE of the reasons why I like them the most is because not only do they make good music (as do most of the other bands to choose from), but because they are trying to make the world a better place. Note that my original post said "they are political AND are trying to make the world a better place." Anyone can be political. George W. Bush is political, but I don’t think he’s trying to make the world a better place. That’s what made me choose them over let’s say Metallica. Because both of them make great music, but a catchy song like Metallica’s Fuel ("Gimme fuel! Gimme fire! Gimme that which I desire!") doesn’t really help make this world a better place. Whereas SOAD’s Prison Song for example, shows you what the world might be coming to if we don’t act fast.
Just bow down already. You tried to make me look bad and it backfired. You learned your lesson.
OWNAGE!
Anyway, I’ve had my say now and anything more would just be going in circles, repeating things I’ve already said. The only reason to carry on would be to insult you, which I find to be a tempting prospect, but one requiring far too much commitment.
You mentioned that it is up to the observers, well, from observing, you seem to have been switching from subject-to-subject insteading of keeping to the topic at hand.
Not looking to start an argument or join the current one, just the unobjective opinions from an observer.
There is decent metal out there…….but the bands in the poll are not.
Just a suggestion. =/
Read that carefully. SOAD? No. Entertainers? Yes! Re-read his posts. He was entirely consistent, whether or not you seem to think the argument was about something else entirely.
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And being off-topic doesn’t matter. We don’t care. That’s not a point. What are you talking about?
Generalising is the opposite of taking a specific case such as SOAD. Unless you are suggesting he generalised about SOAD specifically?
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still i must say that their latest album sucked big time 🙁
There is decent metal out there…….but the bands in the poll are not.
Wait, don’t you listen to Cradle of Filth or something? What the fuck?
I would be quite fascinated to hear what your definition of "decent metal" is if it does not include anything released by Iron Maiden, Slayer, or Metallica.
You still don’t seem to understand that I was pointing out how your statement about SOAD was indicative of a much larger problem. It was never about whether SOAD know what they’re talking about. It’s about how people are morons for listening to celebrities as though they know what they’re talking about, when they usually do not. SOAD just happened to be the catalyst for it. To emphasize my point, I’ll add that I haven’t even bothered to form an opinion about their particular views because it isn’t worth my time to do so.
And saying their last album wasn’t really an album is just a cheap apologist copout. It has their name on it. They recorded the music. It is sold in stores (For money! Can you believe it?). It is a real album.
That’s the problem. I was talking about SOAD, and you were trying to say that I was wrong by generalizing about "most" celebrities. I never mentionned anything about "most" celebrities. Besides, SOAD has always been political, even when their first album came out and they weren’t "celebrities" yet. If you wanna start shit, make sure it’s in the right thread and for the right reasons.
usually completely unrelated to their own fields of expertise
So you’re saying that a musician can only play music and an athlete can only play sports? Who exactly has the right to be an expert in politics? George W. Bush? Because he’s the President, he’s an expert? LOL! The only thing he’s an expert at is using crack, drinking beer, acting dumb, not knowing how to read or talk, losing allies, starting wars for all the wrong reasons, creating a police state, destroying the Constitution, etc.
who says i didnt? 😛
See, in terms of the argument as a whole, I think you’re right, but when you say stuff like this it kind of negates it to intelligent people.
Just say your piece.
But as I’ve said before, I never singled out SOAD at all. My whole issue was about celebrities not knowing their place and trying to use their fame to promote their own political agendas, which are usually completely unrelated to their own fields of expertise. I made sure I allowed room for exceptions because, for all I know, SoaD might (or might not) fit under that category.
Right. I never contested this.
Except one small thing—you did single out SoaD in the post I quoted, saying that you hadn’t bothered to form an opinion of what they say. What I don’t understand is why, if you admit there’s a possibility that they do, in fact, know what they’re talking about, you feel it would be a waste of your time to find out?
And just so there’s no misunderstanding, there’s a distinction between knowledgability and credibility. Even if they’re knowledgable, they’re not credible sources due to it not being related to their chosen profession. The same goes for any other celebrity who uses their fame to voice their opinions on politics, no matter what their views may be.
I’m more talking about this in the context of the argument you’re having here, though. I wouldn’t expect you to just randomly look into the truth of System of a Down lyrics, but it seems logical that if an issue such as one of the ones that has been mentioned in this topic as an example of what they write about is brought to your attention, you would choose to find out what the truth is as best you can. Unless you just don’t care enough, which is a different issue altogether. Whether it’s in a System of a Down song or on the front of a newspaper is irrelevent.
And just so there’s no misunderstanding, there’s a distinction between knowledgability and credibility. Even if they’re knowledgable, they’re not credible sources due to it not being related to their chosen profession. The same goes for any other celebrity who uses their fame to voice their opinions on politics, no matter what their views may be.
Balogne, in my opinion. What makes a newspaper more credible than a contemporary metal band, really? Both are just people observing things and writing about them.
And if you really want to get into the whole "professional credibility" thing, it actually is System of a Down’s job to know what they are talking about. You could say that they are not a credible source because they are entertainers, but that’s like saying newspaper reporters aren’t credible sources because they are writers. If you’re going to be technical, System of a Down are political entertainers�the purpose of their music is to simultaneously entertain and spread what they believe is important truth. So part of their job would be knowing what that important truth is.
Interesting viewpoint, but while I don’t believe it’s without merit, I do think it has a couple flaws. According to your description, perhaps it is their responsibility to know what they’re talking about, but that’s no guarantee that they do. And regardless, that standard is not upheld by many other loudmouthed entertainers.
But there’s no guarantee that anybody knows what they’re talking about, whether they are a professional news reporter or a revolutionary rock band or whatever. I would never assume that a rock band knows what they’re talking about without checking it out first, but I would also never assume the news does.
No it doesn’t.
That’s right. Keep those filthy Poles out of our music!