"Marvel Cinematic Universe" Discussion Thread

Here Talk About Old, New And Upcoming Marvel Universe Films.

Phase 1
Iron Man: May 2, 2008

The Incredible Hulk: June 13, 2008

Iron Man 2: May 7, 2010

Thor: May 6, 2011

Captain America: The First Avenger: July 22, 2011

Avengers: May 4, 2012

Phase 2
Iron Man 3:

Thor: The Dark World: November 8, 2013

Captain America: Winter Soldier: April 4, 2014

Gardians Of The Galexy: August 1, 2014

Avengers: Age of Ultron: May 1, 2015

Phase 3
Ant Man: July 17, 2015

Captain America 3: May 6, 2016

Do You Think Any Other Hero’s Will Join??

Well I Think Its Pretty Clear No X-men :p And No Fantastic Four As They Are Owned By Fox (Plus Evans Played the Human Torch)
And Sony Own Spider-Man

Wasn’t there some rumour out there that Spider-man might revert to Marvel soon-ish? I hope they will!

For a complete list of Marvel movies (both live action and animated): List of films based on Marvel Comics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvel_movies)

Wasn’t there some rumour out there that Spider-man might revert to Marvel soon-ish? I hope they will!

That would be interesting but i dont know if i would want spidy in the avengers.

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For a complete list of Marvel movies (both live action and animated): List of films based on Marvel Comics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvel_movies)

Great stuff thxs darth :awsm:

There’s no way Sony would let the rights to Spider-Man revert back to Marvel!

Same with fox never selling x-men.

It’s the next film in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. They are all connected and all acknowledge each other. Nick Fury is in all of them, and Agent Coulson is only absent from Captain America, leading up to The Avengers. The end credit scene from The Avengers was for GotG, as was Thor 2. I’m hoping the end of GotG will be for Age of Ultron.

Iron Man
The Incredible Hulk (was not originally a Marvel Studios film, still not sure how Disney acquired the rights from Universal)
Iron Man 2
Thor
Captain America: The First Avenger
The Avengers
Iron Man 3
Thor: The Dark World
Captain America: The Winter Soldier
Guardians of the Galaxy
The Avengers: Age of Ultron
Ant Man
Captain America 3

Marvel Cinematic Universe – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvel_Cinematic_Universe)

Right, ok. That makes things a little clearer. I was originally only really interested in watching the Iron Man films, but I’m actually quite interested to see the others now (with the exception of The Incredible Hulk – is it essential to watch Hulk?). How strongly would you recommend I watch the others before I see The Avengers?

Tbh i never liked hulk so ignored. Ii love IM THOR CA & Avengers

Right, ok. That makes things a little clearer. I was originally only really interested in watching the Iron Man films, but I’m actually quite interested to see the others now (with the exception of The Incredible Hulk – is it essential to watch Hulk?). How strongly would you recommend I watch the others before I see The Avengers?

You can watch The Avengers without having seen any of the solo movies. I f you like it then you can go back and watch them. If I had to choose one though, I would say Thor because Loki is the main villain in both movies but it’s really not required. Also it’s not at all essential to watch The Incredible Hulk (2003’s Hulk is not part of the Marvel Cinematic Universe) but the movie is actually pretty good! My favorite used to be Iron Man but now it’s Captain America: The Winter Soldier!

You can watch The Avengers without having seen any of the solo movies. I f you like it then you can go back and watch them. If I had to choose one though, I would say Thor because Loki is the main villain in both movies but it’s really not required. Also it’s not at all essential to watch The Incredible Hulk (2003’s Hulk is not part of the Marvel Cinematic Universe) but the movie is actually pretty good! My favorite used to be Iron Man but now it’s Captain America: The Winter Soldier!

Thanks for the advice! I’ll see how I go. I may watch the first Thor and CA movies before The Avengers…

What exactly is the issue with Hulk? Is he a Marvel character like Iron Man?

The Hulk is a Marvel character, yes. But they didn’t include him in the Marvel Universe until the latest film, as the marvin says

well despite x-men being with another company, it is still marvel-based? (they are still my favorites)

i never got into iron man, which is surprising as i like downey jr.
A friend encouraged me to watch tose…

I DO like avengers and surprisingly i even like cpt. america, and I do love the tv series (agents of shield)

I even like thor.

in my humble opinion avengers, thnor and cpt america areall very entertaining.

what i like about avengers, that different types of people come together (sort of like crossovers that we have known from other tv series for example)

hulk is a bit difficult. a loner 😉

The films can be watched as separate entities, but there are small hints here and there that tie in with each other. And i just love that 😀 and don’t forget to watch ALL of the end credits because there is always something there 😉

And don’t forget the TV series Agents of SHIELD. Some minor characters from the Marvel films appear there, like Sif from Thor and agent Sitwell. He actually gets called away from an assignment in Agents of SHIELD to be on a certain ship that starts the Captain America: The Winter Soldeir movie 😀 and you can actually see helicarriers crashing on a monitor in the background in one episode, meaning that episode takes lace at the same time as that happens in the Winter Soldier movie

Agents of Shield was a good idea but, in my opinion, the show is really bad! In the movies Shield is like this huge government organization with a lot of ressources but the show makes it look like there’s only one little team to handle everything! It got better after the events of The Winter Soldier but I won’t be watching season 2!

The films can be watched as separate entities, but there are small hints here and there that tie in with each other. And i just love that 😀 and don’t forget to watch ALL of the end credits because there is always something there 😉

And don’t forget the TV series Agents of SHIELD. Some minor characters from the Marvel films appear there, like Sif from Thor and agent Sitwell. He actually gets called away from an assignment in Agents of SHIELD to be on a certain ship that starts the Captain America: The Winter Soldeir movie 😀 and you can actually see helicarriers crashing on a monitor in the background in one episode, meaning that episode takes lace at the same time as that happens in the Winter Soldier movie

I always, and always have, and always will, watch all the credits of a movie, no matter who makes it. So many times I have been rewarded for doing so, whether by Pixar, Disney, Marvel, or whoever. I had no idea about the end credits scenes in Marvel movies when I first watched Iron Man, but as I usually watch through the credits anyway, I was again rewarded! 🙂

How strongly would you recommend I watch the others before I see The Avengers?

You can watch The Avengers without having seen any of the solo movies. I f you like it then you can go back and watch them. If I had to choose one though, I would say Thor because Loki is the main villain in both movies but it’s really not required. Also it’s not at all essential to watch The Incredible Hulk (2003’s Hulk is not part of the Marvel Cinematic Universe) but the movie is actually pretty good! My favorite used to be Iron Man but now it’s Captain America: The Winter Soldier!

There’s always going to be people who will say you don’t need to see the prequels. Technically yes, of course you dont "have to". I don’t "have to" go get gas, but I should. If anything, you should see Thor and Captain America 1 because they both predate The Avengers and a lot of Thor’s plot continues in The Avengers. Same with Captain America. Hell, at the end of First Avenger there’s the usual post-credit scene setting up the next film (which in this case is The Avengers), and then right after that scene is the very fist trailer for The Avengers. I would say if you didn’t watch Thor, you’d be a litte lost. It’s just wise that you see all of them in order, it’s common sense.

Thor’s Post Credit Scene Also Sets Up The Whole Avenger’s Story And Doe’s Thor (Loki)

Thor’s Post Credit Scene Also Sets Up The Whole Avenger’s Story And Doe’s Thor (Loki)

Exactly. Another reason why you should see Thor before The Avengers. I mean to me, it would be like seeing Age of Ultron before seeing Avengers 1

:awsm:

Confusing

The Reason The Call The Marvel Avengers Collection Is To Some Degree They All Follow (Maybe Not In Plot) But Little Scene’s Or And Image There Make You Think.
Oh I Remember That Was In XYZ And Thats From That.

There’s always going to be people who will say you don’t need to see the prequels. Technically yes, of course you dont "have to". I don’t "have to" go get gas, but I should. If anything, you should see Thor and Captain America 1 because they both predate The Avengers and a lot of Thor’s plot continues in The Avengers. Same with Captain America. Hell, at the end of First Avenger there’s the usual post-credit scene setting up the next film (which in this case is The Avengers), and then right after that scene is the very fist trailer for The Avengers. I would say if you didn’t watch Thor, you’d be a litte lost. It’s just wise that you see all of them in order, it’s common sense.

Righto then, I’ll restrain myself from watching The Avengers just yet and see Thor and The First Avenger first. I just really want to see another movie with Stark! RDJ is just so brilliant.

Righto then, I’ll restrain myself from watching The Avengers just yet and see Thor and The First Avenger first. I just really want to see another movie with Stark! RDJ is just so brilliant.

It’ll be worth the wait, after having gone 2 movies without him

Well, nice Thread 🙂

If RDJ doesn’t return (and Black wrote and directed Iron Man 3 as though it was RDJ’s final appearance as IM) I wonder who Marvel will choose as his successor? Talk about big titanium alloy boots to fill. If RDJ as Stark and Favreau as director had not been so spot on the Marvel Cinematic Universe might never have taken hold. After all, Iron Man didn’t have the public recognition of Batman, Superman or Spiderman. It was something of a gamble. If the first IM had flopped or underperformed Marvel might have retooled or scrapped their plans. Marvel owes RDJ and Favreau a lot.

BTW tracking and polling has GoTG opening at $60 million. Another gamble that appears to be paying off.

If RDJ doesn’t return (and Black wrote and directed Iron Man 3 as though it was RDJ’s final appearance as IM) I wonder who Marvel will choose as his successor? Talk about big titanium alloy boots to fill. If RDJ as Stark and Favreau as director had not been so spot on the Marvel Cinematic Universe might never have taken hold. After all, Iron Man didn’t have the public recognition of Batman, Superman or Spiderman. It was something of a gamble. If the first IM had flopped or underperformed Marvel might have retooled or scrapped their plans. Marvel owes RDJ and Favreau a lot.

BTW tracking and polling has GoTG opening at $60 million. Another gamble that appears to be paying off.

Without giving anything away about The Avengers or IM3 (neither of which I’ve seen yet) – what do you mean? Are there rumours that RDJ might not return as Iron Man?!

He Has Not Renewed His Contract with Marvel So Maybe He Won’t Return.
TBH If He Doesn’t I Think They Won’t Get Anyone Else

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Iron Man 4 Release Date Canceled? Robert Downey Jr Will Be Killed Off in New Avengers 2 Movie?

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If RDJ doesn’t return (and Black wrote and directed Iron Man 3 as though it was RDJ’s final appearance as IM) I wonder who Marvel will choose as his successor? Talk about big titanium alloy boots to fill.

Well RDJ is in Age of Ultron. After that I don’t know though…

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Iron Man 4 Release Date Canceled? Robert Downey Jr Will Be Killed Off in New Avengers 2 Movie?

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Interesting, but just speculation.

I Hope to God (Thor) :awsm:

He Has Not Renewed His Contract with Marvel So Maybe He Won’t Return.
TBH If He Doesn’t I Think They Won’t Get Anyone Else

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Iron Man 4 Release Date Canceled? Robert Downey Jr Will Be Killed Off in New Avengers 2 Movie?

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Nooooooooo!!!!!!! D:

I KNOW!!!!

Marvel is known for locking their actors into multi movie contracts. (Chris Evans a.k.a. Captain America originally had, if memory serves, a nine movie deal that was shortened to six movies making the 2016 Cap 3 Evans’ last appearance as the Star Spangled Man.)

Can’t see Marvel killing off Stark. With the collapse of SHIELD he’s funding the Avengers, the character is way too popular and how many other genius, billionaires are there, even in the Marvel Universe? Now, waiting for two or three years after Avengers 2 and recasting the role of Stark, that I can see. (Wouldn’t be easy, the new actor would have to probably play Tony differently than RDJ has. But Bale replaced Keaton as Batman and did a fantastic job.)

Or maybe retiring the character. Unlikely, considering again how popular Stark/IM are with audiences, but it’s a possibility. It all depends on Marvel’s Phase III plans.

Can’t wait to watch CA and Thor to get to The Avengers and then another whole movie dedicated to Iron Man… Some have said that IM3 was fantastic, but I’ve heard others say it was pretty rubbish – what are people’s opinions here?

IM3 was rubbish, absolute, thorough-going rubbish. Shane Black should never, ever, be allowed near another Marvel property. He obviously hates the idea of heroes or doesn’t take them seriously. He certainly didn’t take the Mandarin seriously reducing the villain to a joke.

IM3 was rubbish, absolute, thorough-going rubbish. Shane Black should never, ever, be allowed near another Marvel property. He obviously hates the idea of heroes or doesn’t take them seriously. He certainly didn’t take the Mandarin seriously reducing the villain to a joke.

Oh dear! That does sound bad! Why wasn’t Favreau asked back? Maybe because IM2 wasn’t as good as the original. How would you rate IM2 compared to IM3?

HELL OF A LOT BETTER!

HELL OF A LOT BETTER!

Really? I liked IM2, but not as much as the first film. I am very intrigued to see IM3 now, if IM2 is really that much better!

IM 1 Is The Best And 3 Is The Worst

IM1 is the best but I give IM2 a close second. It actually had something to say as opposed to IM3 which was constructed to deconstruct Iron Man. I mean in Avengers IM goes toe to toe with Thor, survives the ninja blender blades of death that are the Helicarrier’s engines, goes into space through a wormhole and yet in IM3, Tony gets taken down by a guy with a fiery handshake? What, Aldrich developed a secret-G.I. Joe kung-fu grip that disables IM’s armor? (Or the Iron Patriot’s for that matter?) And Aldrich becomes a super villain all because Tony in a drunken stupor leaves him stranded overnight on a roof top? That’s all it takes to become a super villain in Black’s world? What next, a guy goes super villain because a Starbuck’s barista screws up his order?

Marvel is known for locking their actors into multi movie contracts. (Chris Evans a.k.a. Captain America originally had, if memory serves, a nine movie deal that was shortened to six movies making the 2016 Cap 3 Evans’ last appearance as the Star Spangled Man.)

I remember reading that as well, it was originally 9 movies.

Can’t see Marvel killing off Stark. With the collapse of SHIELD he’s funding the Avengers, the character is way too popular and how many other genius, billionaires are there, even in the Marvel Universe? Now, waiting for two or three years after Avengers 2 and recasting the role of Stark, that I can see. (Wouldn’t be easy, the new actor would have to probably play Tony differently than RDJ has. But Bale replaced Keaton as Batman and did a fantastic job.)

I don’t see it happening either, but it could happen. Robert Downey, Jr. IS Iron Man. And that’s all I have to say about that.

Can’t wait to watch CA and Thor to get to The Avengers and then another whole movie dedicated to Iron Man… Some have said that IM3 was fantastic, but I’ve heard others say it was pretty rubbish – what are people’s opinions here?

IM3 was the worst of the 3. It was still entertaining, just not as good as 1 and 2.

IM3 was rubbish, absolute, thorough-going rubbish. Shane Black should never, ever, be allowed near another Marvel property. He obviously hates the idea of heroes or doesn’t take them seriously. He certainly didn’t take the Mandarin seriously reducing the villain to a joke.

That’s why it was so bad. John Favreau should have done it, but maybe he just wanted a break or he was busy working on Chef?

IM1 is the best but I give IM2 a close second. It actually had something to say as opposed to IM3 which was constructed to deconstruct Iron Man. I mean in Avengers IM goes….

I would spoil-tag this right now on the off-chance Sully hasn’t seen it yet, as it’s a spoiler. He’s yet to see The Avengers

I remember reading that as well, it was originally 9 movies.

I don’t see it happening either, but it could happen. Robert Downey, Jr. IS Iron Man. And that’s all I have to say about that.

IM3 was the worst of the 3. It was still entertaining, just not as good as 1 and 2.

That’s why it was so bad. John Favreau should have done it, but maybe he just wanted a break or he was busy working on Chef?

I would spoil-tag this right now on the off-chance Sully hasn’t seen it yet, as it’s a spoiler. He’s yet to see The Avengers

I agree. Like Stark and his suit, RDJ and Stark are one. Impossible to separate.

Yes, thanks DAK! I began reading Killgrave’s post, but stopped at that exact point. I’ll try to get Thor, CA, and The Avengers all ticked off my watch list in the next couple of weeks. Sorry for the conversation restrictions at present! And thanks for thinking of me! 😉

The problem with Iron Man 3 is that it’s a Shane Black movie through and through so it’s completely different from the other two! Chances are if you like Black’s movies like Kiss Kiss Bang Bang (which i love) you’ll probably find a few things to love in this one! It’s still entertaining and fun and has a lot of Iron Man suits! Enjoy the movies, they’re all fun in my opinion!

The problem with Iron Man 3 is that it’s a Shane Black movie through and through so it’s completely different from the other two! Chances are if you like Black’s movies like Kiss Kiss Bang Bang (which i love) you’ll probably find a few things to love in this one! It’s still entertaining and fun and has a lot of Iron Man suits! Enjoy the movies, they’re all fun in my opinion!

I’ve never seen a Black movie, but I’m sure it’ll be entertaining enough. As long as it has RDJ, I’ll be sure to enjoy something! 🙂

Captain America: Winter Soldier:

Serpasses The Rest Of The Marvels By Miles. Sabastian Stan Was Excellent (Makes Me Forgive Him For Dropping Out of Once Upon A Time, Although I Still Miss the Madhatter)
The Mixture of Action, Story & Music Aswell As Acting Balanced Perfectly Not To Long Just Right And Set A Strong Standard For A 3rd Installment Aswell as the Rest of The Marvel Cinematic Universe.
Chris Evans, Scarlett Johanson & SLJ Perfect As Always!
Bring On CA3!

Well guys, I finally watched Thor yesterday! 😀 So that’s one down, six to go!

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It’s a great movie, and there are several particularly funny quotes. I love Chris Hemsworth! Fitted the character absolutely perfectly. I can’t wait to see him side-by-side with Stark!!

(I’m downloading the sessions Lockdown posted now… do we have any higher bit rate than 192? Also, do we have a version with slates?)

Who knows? Maybe it’ll be only five to go this time tomorrow…? 😉

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Best bit of the film. 😀

Oh good – finally got round to finishing downloading the Thor Sessions and they do have slates. Me happy. 🙂

The Avengers’ lineup will be different after Ultron as will the MCU. The fallout from Ultron has Marvel taking their universe in the Civil War storyline which if rumors are true means Cap and Stark opposed philosophically and physically to one another. And the AOU trailer focused on the Mjolnir phrase "if he be worthy" and it’s quite obvious Ultron does not believe the Avengers are worthy. Whedon wouldn’t bring attention to that inscription if he didn’t have larger plans in mind. There is some speculation that something will happen to Thor that makes him doubt his worthiness.

Must say I am really looking forward to seeing AOU and what happens next in the MCU. (Another rumor: Avengers 3 will crossover with the Guardians. That will be fun.) I give Marvel credit: they aren’t afraid to make changes to their established order.

Oh yeah, Hemsworth is Thor in the same way the late Christopher Reeve (may he rest in peace) was Superman.

By Asgard, the Hulkbuster armor will be mine!

Tons of detailed looks at Age of Ultron figures including the Hulkbuster – Movie News | JoBlo.com (http://www.joblo.com/movie-news/tons-of-detailed-looks-at-age-of-ultron-figures-including-the-hulkbuster-154)

And my wallet will be Hot Toys!

By Asgard, the Hulkbuster armor will be mine!

Tons of detailed looks at Age of Ultron figures including the Hulkbuster – Movie News | JoBlo.com (http://www.joblo.com/movie-news/tons-of-detailed-looks-at-age-of-ultron-figures-including-the-hulkbuster-154)

And my wallet will be Hot Toys!

Awesome! 😀

Well guys, I finally watched Thor yesterday! 😀 So that’s one down, six to go!

It’s a great movie, and there are several particularly funny quotes. I love Chris Hemsworth! Fitted the character absolutely perfectly. I can’t wait to see him side-by-side with Stark!!

(I’m downloading the sessions Lockdown posted now… do we have any higher bit rate than 192? Also, do we have a version with slates?)

That is an old thread, Lockdown posted a FLAC version earlier this year.
http://forums.ffshrine.org/f92/thor-recording-sessions-flac-patrick-doyle-177610/#post2733038

That is an old thread, Lockdown posted a FLAC version earlier this year.
http://forums.ffshrine.org/f92/thor-recording-sessions-flac-patrick-doyle-177610/#post2733038

Thanks for the heads up! Apart from the quality, are there any differences to the 192k version?

Thanks for the heads up! Apart from the quality, are there any differences to the 192k version?

Not that I know of. 🙂

The problem with Iron Man 3 is that it’s a Shane Black movie through and through so it’s completely different from the other two! Chances are if you like Black’s movies like Kiss Kiss Bang Bang (which i love) you’ll probably find a few things to love in this one! It’s still entertaining and fun and has a lot of Iron Man suits!

SPOILER ALERT!!!

I liked KKBB and hated IM3. Black went too overboard with his comedy, which is great in moderation. Here every single second something funny was happening and the Mandarin. Initiating rant. Oh god! What the hell was that? The best villain Iron Man had has been reduced to a stupid joke and for what, so that Aldrich Killian could state that ‘I am the Mandarin’. If anyone here’s read the original Extremis comic (which is much much better than the film and what it’s supposedly based on), there is no Mandarin in the story who could have been saved up for another movie like they’re doing with Thanos. Killian and Hansen are much better there than here. To make matters even worse and confusing, the real Mandarin exists, he’s pissed about this whole affair and nabs the actor dude(Kingsley) from prison(source is the Marvel One-Shot Hail To The King, which is pretty good all things considered)

This is actually the only Marvel movie that even RDJ’s persona can’t save. AND THAT ENDING?!? So what, Pepper’s going to sub in for Iron Man in the Avengers now. IF HE COULD GET RID OF THE SHARDS IN HIS HEART WITH A SIMPLE OPERATION THAN WHY GO THROUGH THE WHOLE IRON MAN THING IN THE FIRST PLACE! The whole thing would’ve been solved when he returned from Afghanistan in the first film. Now what? If he comes back as Iron Man in AoU then what was the point of having it removed, they’re probably going to come up with some stupid "oh he HAD to put the suit on again to save the world against his own creation" which is okay but it could’ve been done without the whole op thing in the first place (don’t these Marvel directors/writers talk to each other? I mean it is a pretty interconnected universe, what happens in one movie affects the others too). Rant over.

I think they’re not going to recast anybody. They’ll change the people but keep the superheroes. They’re already prepping Sam Wilson(Anthony Mackie) A.K.A Falcon to be the next Cap once Chris Evans bids farewell(or as I think die in Civil War). As much as I love Thor, Fandral (Zach Levi) could take over or even Sif (Jamie Alexander) now that they’ve swapped the genders. It’s tougher than anyone else in case of Iron Man, RDJ IS Tony Stark who may or may not remain Iron Man as of IM3, plus there really isn’t anyone who could take up the mantle in the MCU anyway. They could also not do any of that and completely change the Avengers line-up. Dr. Strange, Captain Marvel, Ant-Man and Black Panther are joining the universe in the next phase, they’ve already introduced the Maximoff siblings in AoU plus the Netflix/Agents of SHIELD people could be promoted. All in all, things are only getting better if you’re a Marvel fan from here on out. Of course, my condolences to our DC brethren for the inconsolable loss of their slowly decomposing film universe, if you could call it that.

Yeah I’m still not sure how i feel about IM3. I think it’s entertaining but it could have been a lot better (It’s a lot better than IM2 though!). I’m not a big fan of the whole mandarin thing!
By the way is anyone still watching Agents of Shield? I stopped watching after the first season, which was really hard to get through, but apparently season 2 is much better so I’m thinking about giving the show another chance. What do you guys think?

Was it just me, or did anybody else replay the new Age of Ultron trailer at 0.25 speed, pausing it numerous times to fully take in all the details of every new shot?!

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Just look at the detail of the Hulkbuster’s hand repulsors!!

Don’t Worry, it’s not just you! I think it’s good that the trailer is so short, it shows just enough without spoiling the whole movie.
One of the most interesting things from the trailer is what looks like a young Black Widow being experimented on. Maybe she’s actually as old as she is in the comics?

Yeah, I hate it when trailers give away most of the story. Don’t get me started on HTTYD2.

Indeed, it looks very interesting! Can’t wait to find out more about Black Widow’s past. Tbh, anything with her in is worth watching. She is so DAMN good-looking.

Oh yeah right, Hiccup’s Mom. At least they didn’t show (SPOILERS!) what happens to Stoick!
In the comics Black Widow was actually trained by the Winter Soldier, and then they became lovers when he became Captain America.
Yep, she’s really hot!

If memory serves in the MCU, that is the Marvel Comics Universe, there have been a succession of Black Widows, so it’s the name of a position, rather than a person. But the continuity of comics is nothing if not fluid and flexible so I could have that wrong.

I think we can all agree that Ms. Johansson is pitch perfect as Natasha and I don’t just mean her considerable beauty. She makes the character interesting when she’s not beating the crap out of the bad guys. (Which is why it’s a head scratcher that Marvel has not green-lit a Black Widow solo film, especially after the success of Lucy. She can headline and carry a film to the finish line.)

But on the plus side she will be Major Motoko Kusanagi in the live action version of Ghost in the Shell. (Although this, at least for now, seems to be another example of Hollywood white-washing a character for mass consumption.)

I will always wonder what Emily Blunt, who was the originally slated to be the Black Widow, would have done with the role. Ms. Blunt would make a great Captain Marvel.

Couldn’t resist grabbing these HD Screenshots…

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If memory serves in the MCU, that is the Marvel Comics Universe, there have been a succession of Black Widows, so it’s the name of a position, rather than a person. But the continuity of comics is nothing if not fluid and flexible so I could have that wrong.

I think we can all agree that Ms. Johansson is pitch perfect as Natasha and I don’t just mean her considerable beauty. She makes the character interesting when she’s not beating the crap out of the bad guys. (Which is why it’s a head scratcher that Marvel has not green-lit a Black Widow solo film, especially after the success of Lucy. She can headline and carry a film to the finish line.)

But on the plus side she will be Major Motoko Kusanagi in the live action version of Ghost in the Shell. (Although this, at least for now, seems to be another example of Hollywood white-washing a character for mass consumption.)

I will always wonder what Emily Blunt, who was the originally slated to be the Black Widow, would have done with the role. Ms. Blunt would make a great Captain Marvel.

I don’t remember anything about Black Widow being a position rather than a person from the movies, where did you hear that?
If not a movie, a spy show on netflix would also be great!
Margot Robbie would have been a great Ms Marvel IMO, but now that she’s playing Harley Queen, that won’t happen.

I don’t believe it! Marvel actually convinced Sony to give up Spider-Man (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/MarvelFreshman/news/?a=115025) for Civil War!

Just read this:

MARVEL’s Official Statement (http://marvel.com/news/movies/24062/sony_pictures_entertainment_brings_marvel_studios_ into_the_amazing_world_of_spider-man)

Third reboot in fifteen years. After a trilogy and a duology, recasting people, what a nightmare.

spidey finally joins the Marvel Cinematic Universe 😀 FINALLY

well, after sony fucked up 3 consecutive spiderman movies, it was inevitable.
too bad there wont be a ASM3 featuring the sinister 6 (with the same cast) as it was implied in the second.

Nah man, they weren’t planning for a Sinister Six movie with Spider-Man. They were planning a Sinister Six movie without Spider-Man.

Seriously.

Saw this image today and thought it was sort of funny:

I have to admit, Fox has actually been doing a halfway decent job with X-Men as of late. First Class was great, Days of Future Past was a blast, The Wolverine actually wasn’t that bad and Apocalypse might actually be good!

Fox at least learned from the mistakes that are Last Stand and Origins and brought back Singer. (It’s never a good sign for a studio when the actor playing the franchise’s most popular character – Jackman, Wolverine – comes out and says those movies weren’t very good.) Sony never got or read that memo and it cost them a franchise.

There’s only one Marvel series that needs rescuing from Fox. Fantastic Four.

Come August we will see just how Fantastic the Four are. The trailer really did nothing to assuage my fears. Considering all the negative reports about the film’s shooting, how crowded the summer is with superhero films and with the clock running out you’d think Fox would have released a far more impactful trailer. Fox needed and needs to make the audience aware of this film and the radio silence is not helping. (Compare how much info James Gunn posted on Twitter and Facebook about Guardians. It helped raise the film’s profile about a comic that most people had never heard of. Plus it had some kick ass trailers that made you want to see the film.)

Doubts flourish in the absence of information.

Agent Carter Season Finale Tonight. Shame I Have Rather Enjoyed The Show. But Hey Hey Agents of Shield Will Be Back!

In the battle of the Agents I prefer Carter over Shield. In two years AoS has yet to, at least for me, catch fire. At times it seems as though AoS is embarrassed of its comic book origins and refusing to fully embrace them whereas Carter has shown no such reluctance. I will admit to a certain bias as I am a fan of Ms. Atwell.

Marvel drops the third and probably final Avengers: Age of Ultron trailer Thursday evening during the premiere of American Crime on ABC. Check your local listing for time.

O_O

AMC Theaters Announce Plans For 27 Hour ULTIMATE MARVEL MARATHON (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=116193)

I… I can’t imagine a person spending over an entire day of his life inside a movie theater.

Perhaps that person has no life.

Final? trailer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAUoeqvedMo

That shot at 1:08 looks like it jumped off a comic book cover!

It’s about time that comic book movies start looking like actual comic books.

That shot at 1:08 looks like it jumped off a comic book cover!

It’s about time that comic book movies start looking like actual comic books.

…like ASM2. That movie really did feel like a comic book on screen.

Yeah, the cinematography for the ASM films were really good in that regard. Winter Soldier’s was awesome too. It’s very hard to get the shots to look like comic panels, but when they’re able to pull it off it looks brilliant.

…like ASM2. That movie really did feel like a comic book on screen.

A really, really, really bad comic book.

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Yeah, the cinematography for the ASM films were really good in that regard. Winter Soldier’s was awesome too. It’s very hard to get the shots to look like comic panels, but when they’re able to pull it off it looks brilliant.

Agreed. CA:TWS, for me, is probably Marvel’s best movie. My test for movies like this is if you remove the super heroics from the film and the film is still good, then the script is a solid one. In other words, the super heroics didn’t wallpaper over the cracks in the movie’s narrative.

Final? trailer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAUoeqvedMo

I feel like there will be at least 1 more trailer, though perhaps it will just be a rehash of the previous 3. After all the film isn’t coming out until May…

I wouldn’t bet against another trailer. Probably in April.

A really, really, really bad comic book.

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Agreed. CA:TWS, for me, is probably Marvel’s best movie. My test for movies like this is if you remove the super heroics from the film and the film is still good, then the script is a solid one. In other words, the super heroics didn’t wallpaper over the cracks in the movie’s narrative.

It’s only bad if you count the script and mashed up story. But from a cinematographic point of view it was brilliant. Absolutely stunning. Shots, colour palette, layout, etc.

Yes, in the case of ASM2 the super heroics did kinda try to wallpaper over the cracks in the narrative. Agreed.

I look at a film’s script, the scriptwriter(s) and director(s) first. If the film’s narrative doesn’t work then the film doesn’t work for me. (Of course, there are exceptions. The "just-go-with-it" movies that I shouldn’t like but do, usually because the writer and director have committed completely themselves to the film regardless of how nuts it is.)

I don’t envy the folks who write superhero films because it is, in many ways, a sustained magic trick: you have to keep the audience from looking too closely lest they see the wires. The writers have to give the audience enough "plausible" reasons to avoid asking the obvious questions that could undercut the willing suspension of belief that the audience is engaging in, for example, the Avengers have Thor, Iron Man and the Hulk, so why do you need Cap, or Hawkeye or Black Widow much as the Justice League wouldn’t need Batman when the team already has Superman, Wonder Woman or Green Lantern.

Joss Whedon recognized this when he said the Avengers are a stupid concept. And that is precisely the right attitude to have: once you recognize the problem you can fashion a narrative that solves it or part of it: Loki counters Thor, Chitauri offset Iron Man and Hulk and Cap, Hawkeye and Black Widow bring the pain on streets.

As always there are always holes whenever you deal with superheroes both in logic – Cap’s evacuation orders were staggeringly bad. A man who’d survived the Blitz should have known better – to science – the physics of Iron Man frequently ignore the Newton’s third law or his suit is a Faraday Cage and there is no 400% when it comes to charging batteries. (X-Men: DOFP removed Quicksilver from the action because the movie would have run about an hour had he remained with the team. Of course, he lacked the training of the other X-Men – dealing humans is one thing, dealing with Magneto and Raven quite another – and unlike the others had a family and that becomes the hook to excuse his absence.)

Another way to make it "real" is that victory comes at a cost: Coulson "dies" in the Avengers, SHIELD disbands and Hydra in effect wins, Groot sacrifices his life. (Even if these changes aren’t permanent the original intent is still there.) And the MCU will look much different after Avengers: AoU. Change happens and the process is often unsettling and destructive.

So, I will go out on a limb: Black Widow will not survive AoU. She will die at the hands of Ultron. If Marvel wants to show the audience they are serious about changing the game and not merely re-arranging the pieces on the chessboard then someone of value, a fan favorite, must die.

And that means Black Widow. She has no movie in the MCU future and Marvel’s bosses are a canny bunch. A Black Widow film, done right, would do CA:TWS or GoTG numbers at the box office. So there is another reason for the lack of a BW standalone film and her death is that reason. (Add to that Whedon has said a member of the team dies.)

May 1st is going to be a bittersweet day.

I used to be of the opinion that Black Widow would be killed off in AoU, but apparently Scarlett will be back for Civil War:

Black Widow Confirmed for CA3: Civil War (https://youtu.be/IiJwsbxr9E0?t=25s)

Coming straight from the mouths of the directors themselves, I hope it’s true. I REALLY HOPE SO!!

Me too. However, Marvel is notorious for their tight control on who says what about their movies. But, who else can it be? Not IM, Thor, Cap – he dies in Cap 3 – or the Hulk. Hawkeye, no, since he’s not a key player, yet, and killing him now is tantamount to a Star Trek’s red shirt death.

Natasha’s death, since she is friends with Tony and Steve, would be the flame that ignites the Civil War storyline.

You know what I don’t get? What the hell’s the point of keeping Hawk-eye in the team? I mean, they could’ve gone with any other Avengers member and they picked him. In Thor, they gave him a cameo so tiny most people prolly wouldn’t have even remembered him from there when he popped up in the Avengers. and once he’s in there, what’d he do? get taken over in the first couple of scenes, spend the rest of the movie shooting weird-ass darts and in the end, he just stood on building and showed off. i mean what is that guy’s value to the team, if they wanna kill someone he should be at the top of the list. I realize no one (or at least i don’t, I don’t see anyone buying Hawk-eye figurines either) cares about him, so his death wouldn’t have a significant impact but call it collateral damage. Hawk-eye is extremely under-developed even for a character without a stand-alone movie. Coulson, Banner (the new one), Widow and Hill never had one either, but I care more about them then I do about him. He also looks ripe for TV, so let’s go Agents of SHIELD on him and give a series. Oh wait, Arrow.

Aside from the Hawk-eye rant, I like Black Widow. Not just because of Johannsson (obvs), but because CA:TWS. Before Winter Soldier, I really didn’t care about her. In IM2, she was never likeable for me for some reason. So if she dies, which does make sense, there will be an impact. In fact, I think the whole Hulk going rogue and the whole Hulkbuster sequence is prolly because Banner blames Stark for creating Ultron who kills (or causes) Widow’s demise. In the first movie, Banner and Romanoff have had some sparks (literally) around them. Apparently, this Hawk-eye shares something with her too so it’s interesting what he’ll do about it (seppuku maybe). In IM2, Stark also grows fond of her and in Winter Soldier, Cap runs around with her for half the movie. So, they’ve been building this up gradually.

I would’ve absolutely loved a Black Widow film. So much potential. Her back story is actually as interesting as any other member’s. But if they kill her, obviously it’s not happening. Maybe it’s timed with her contract running out. Or she’s just bored of the character. And they do have to make way for the new rotation. Black Panther, Captain Marvel, Doc Strange and Ant-man are going to need some breathing space if they’re ever going to join the team.

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I used to be of the opinion that Black Widow would be killed off in AoU, but apparently Scarlett will be back for Civil War:

Black Widow Confirmed for CA3: Civil War (https://youtu.be/IiJwsbxr9E0?t=25s)

Coming straight from the mouths of the directors themselves, I hope it’s true. I REALLY HOPE SO!!

Maybe a flashback or something. Because it does make too much sense for her to go in AoU.

I agree with your reasoning. I think, judging, granted from interviews, Johansson likes playing Black Widow so it may have more to do that Marvel long ago planned to introduce BW, build her up with the plan of killing her. (Perhaps that is one reason Johansson took the role. And she’s not lacking for work) If Marvel wants to show its not screwing around and the stakes will be high going into the Infinity War then someone of consequence must die.

Should Natasha’s death come to pass, the sound of jaws hitting theaters floors will deafen the audience.

I heard somewhere that Scarlett is expecting some time in the next few months. Wonder if that’s got anything to do with anything…?

Civil War just sounds like it’ll be better and better.

Infinity War I imagine will be the end of the Avengers as we know them now.

I agree with your reasoning. I think, judging, granted from interviews, Johansson likes playing Black Widow so it may have more to do that Marvel long ago planned to introduce BW, build her up with the plan of killing her. (Perhaps that is one reason Johansson took the role. And she’s not lacking for work) If Marvel wants to show its not screwing around and the stakes will be high going into the Infinity War then someone of consequence must die.

Should Natasha’s death come to pass, the sound of jaws hitting theaters floors will deafen the audience.

You’re right methinks. Johannsson’s not going to be cheap or lock herself down to down one character forever. Maybe that was the plan from the second Iron Man movie. The big move. Her death tears the Avengers apart. It will definitely be more significant than Coulson’s ‘death’ which united them. I loved him in the first Iron Man and Thor, not so much in IM2, but he was still a pretty minor character. And the fact that he didn’t die(how no one actually dies in the MCU is kinda tiring now), makes it all just worthless. The Avengers fell for a scam. And Fury gets to be the tough love guy. If anyone’s rep was hurt in the whole Coulson death thing it was Fury’s. And then as if to drive the point even further home, he did it again in Winter Soldier. Fury cannot be trusted with obituaries. Ever.

Romanoff’s death is going to hurt. Bad.
Still, even more of a reason to be super-hyped about it.

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I heard somewhere that Scarlett is expecting some time in the next few months. Wonder if that’s got anything to do with anything…?

The next generation Black Widow, maybe

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Civil War just sounds like it’ll be better and better.

Infinity War I imagine will be the end of the Avengers as we know them now.

They destroy the whole concept of it in IW P1 and then a new younger group inspired by the legend, crumbling under the weight of Thanos’ tyranny, assembles once more reigniting the myth of the Avengers.

I don’t know, man. I like Stark too much.

Yeah. A mini black widow. lol

Ikr?! How can the MCU carry on without Stark after IW P1??

Not only is Tony Stark Iron Man (he and the suit are one), but he is also the MCU. Without him, it would not be what it is today.

I’m thinking War Machine is the one who’s going to die. He makes the most sense considering no more Iron Man films are planned. And audiences care about him so his death will leave an impact.

Huh, War Machine’s in this movie? I just saw the third trailer and he’s not there. At all.

I mean I know he is, but I really don’t care about Rhodey as much as I do about Romanoff. I mean I love Don Cheadle, but he’s just not Rhodey for me. Everytime I see him I imagine what Terrance Howard would’ve done. He was nowhere near to becoming War Machine but I liked him more as a character back in the first one

Like Hawkeye, War Machine hasn’t had the exposure. His death would be a cheat. And as Edgar Allan Poe noted: “the death of a beautiful woman is, unquestionably, the most poetical topic in the world.”

It is one thing for a male superhero to die, but quite another for a female superhero to die and the audience would react more strongly to Natasha’s death than to Rodney’s.

…Rodney’s.

R.I.P. Colonel James Rodney.

:awsm:

I mean I love Don Cheadle, but he’s just not Rhodey for me. Everytime I see him I imagine what Terrance Howard would’ve done. He was nowhere near to becoming War Machine but I liked him more as a character back in the first one

Even though they portray the same character, I feel like the two interpretations were totally different. Howard’s character seemed like a guy who tries to follow authority but gets… well, sidetracked to do what he thinks is ultimately right. Cheadle’s character seems like a real goody two-shoes who always dots his i’s and crosses his t’s. I can’t imagine Howard trying to take down Tony in IM2. Conversely, I can’t imagine Cheadle having a password like "WARMACHINEROX". :p

They both did a great job, though.

Both of them did a great job but I felt that somewhere between the Iron Man and Iron Man 2 films, the Rhodey character had a personality altering event. And the
Rhodey to emerge on the other side was less familiar, slightly more hostile than the older Rhodey.

Another update on the Age of Ultron score, Danny Elfman who was credited as the provider of ‘Additional Music’, will be adapting Silvestri’s theme from the 2012 Avengers for the new movie.

"I was doing the same thing actually just last week because I’ve contributed music to the new Avengers movie, I took part of Alan Silvestri’s theme on the original [movie], which I really liked, and I pulled it into it new theme, which became kind of a hybrid. I really enjoyed that." – Danny Elfman

Source (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/MarvelFreshman/news/?a=116646)

Another update on the Age of Ultron score, Danny Elfman who was credited as the provider of ‘Additional Music’, will be adapting Silvestri’s theme from the 2012 Avengers for the new movie.

"I was doing the same thing actually just last week because I’ve contributed music to the new Avengers movie, I took part of Alan Silvestri’s theme on the original [movie], which I really liked, and I pulled it into it new theme, which became kind of a hybrid. I really enjoyed that." – Danny Elfman

Source (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/MarvelFreshman/news/?a=116646)

That’s really interesting! Can’t wait to hear it.

By the way, I’ve had to do a bit of skim reading here recently, so as to not spoil anything about The Avengers/Iron Man 3, as I still haven’t seen them. Would you guys mind spoilering any info about the films that could be spoilers? I will watch them one day soon, I promise!!

That’s really interesting! Can’t wait to hear it.

By the way, I’ve had to do a bit of skim reading here recently, so as to not spoil anything about The Avengers/Iron Man 3, as I still haven’t seen them. Would you guys mind spoilering any info about the films that could be spoilers? I will watch them one day soon, I promise!!

I only just recently got around to watching IM3. I think I’ve seen every single MCU film now (except for the Hulk film with Norton). I know that some people really disliked IM3, I actually thought it was pretty good. Not great, but still a fun watch.

Why would they need to hire Elfman to adapt Silvestri’s theme?

I only just recently got around to watching IM3. I think I’ve seen every single MCU film now (except for the Hulk film with Norton). I know that some people really disliked IM3, I actually thought it was pretty good. Not great, but still a fun watch.

I think it’s the worst film in the MCU. EDIT: Spoilered for Sulley

They took an awesome character (Mandarin) and made him into a drunk loser. They inexplicably fixed Tony’s heart up at the end (why didn’t he do that in Iron Man 2 when he was dying?). Tony said he would give up being Iron Man, which of course is a blatant lie since everyone knows he’s back for Avengers 2 and beyond. They gave Pepper superpowers that I assume she’ll never use again (why doesn’t she join the Avengers? Seriously! She’s indestructible!). They kept Happy alive for some reason, even though his death would hold so much weight. Tony gave his address to a terrorist and seemed really surprised when his house started being bombed. Pepper didn’t see Tony rocket out of the ocean 20 seconds after he supposedly drowned for some reason. They never really bothered to clarify whether the Ten Rings was a real organization or something Killian made up by himself.

I make it sound horrible, but all in all it wasn’t that bad of a movie. It just wasn’t up to the standard that Marvel has set for itself.

Sully requested that anything "spoiler-ish" about IM3 or Avengers be spoiler tagged. 🙂

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That being said I agree with your points. There are some major weaknesses. However:

I didn’t mind the mandarin reveal, I thought it was funny. But I can see why people would be disappointed. After Pepper kills Killian she asks Tony if he can get rid of the extremis. Tony says he thinks so, and then in the ending monologue he says he fixed her. 🙂

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Why would they need to hire Elfman to adapt Silvestri’s theme?

Yeah, good question. Why not just have Tyler adapt the theme? Why did they need Elfman instead? My guess is that Elfman’s music will be for the end credits scene, and then he will be scoring whatever future Marvel film is teased in that scene (Ant Man? Civil war?). Just a guess…

After Pepper kills Killian she asks Tony if he can get rid of the extremis. Tony says he thinks so, and then in the ending monologue he says he fixed her. 🙂

Oh.

I must have missed that part. :p

Thanks for the spoilers, guys! 🙂

I can’t wait to see it, despite the negative reviews. More of RDJ as Anthony Stark couldn’t possibly be a waste of time. Speaking of which…

Hang With Robert Downey Jr. at the World Premiere of Marvel’s Avengers: Age of Ultron (http://www.omaze.com/experiences/robert-downey-jr?utm_source=social-facebook-celeb&utm_medium=video-experiencepreview&utm_content=14&utm_campaign=child_health-international&oa_h=l7lgn1)

I saw that video a couple days ago and it really made me laugh. It keeps getting funnier and funnier the longer it goes. 😀

Screenrant (late to the party – we already knew) have written an article regarding Elfman’s involvement in AoU. Here’s a quote from the article:

Given Brian Tyler’s less-than-memorable themes for Thor 2 and Iron Man 3 (try humming them right now), it will be interesting to see how much – or how little – he builds off of Silvestri’s work.

I haven’t seen either Thor 2 or Iron Man 3 yet, but I’m humming Tyler’s IM3 theme right now… and loving every minute of it.

Iron Man 3 might not be the best score around, but the main theme is awesome. Same with Thor 2. I don’t get the hate. If you want to label Thor 2 as a "Zimmer clone" score, that’s your call. I’m not claiming it’s super original, just a heck of a lot of fun to listen to. 😀

These guys at Screenrant, which is a site I visit often, have no idea what they’re talking about!
Tyler’s themes are some of the best of the MCU, his theme for Iron Man is the best of the Trilogy!
Regarding Elfman, I might have an answer. They had to do some reshoots, so maybe Tyler wasn’t available to score the new scenes (he was probably working on Furious 7), so Elfman was called in. And if that means Elfman will keep working with Marvel, I’m all for it!

Screenrant eagerly awaits news that Alaska and Hawaii have become our 49th and 50th states.

I like IM3 the best, the other two are alright, have them all on DVD. I enjoyed most of the Marvel movies so far. Avengers is still my favorite.

I like IM3 the best, the other two are alright, have them all on DVD. I enjoyed most of the Marvel movies so far. Avengers is still my favorite.

That’s the most positive thing I’ve heard so far about IM3. Even better than the first one?!

The 1st one was very good, just liked the 3rd one better. After Avengers I think I started to like Iron Man more so that could have something to do with it. 🙂

I wonder if the inevitable giant Phase 2 box set will include most – if not all – of the deleted scenes for Iron Man 3; the inital cut ran over 3 hours! Unless it was an extra 45 minutes of Chinese product placement (http://kotaku.com/why-many-in-china-hate-iron-man-3s-chinese-version-486840429), maybe they would fill in some plot holes and make it more watchable.

"Final" Avengers: AoU trailer. It focuses on Black Widow.

Black Widow displays motorcycle finesse in the final Age of Ultron trailer – Movie News | JoBlo.com (http://www.joblo.com/movie-news/black-widow-displays-motorcycle-finesse-in-the-final-age-of-ultron-trailer-815)

More certain than ever Natasha dies.

Not looking forward to that moment.

At all.

But I thought I read she would be in Civil War.

True. And maybe she will. I could be completely wrong in my assumption. A part of me wants to be wrong.

However, Black Widow played a key role in CA:TWS and if her name was absent from Civil War’s roster most people would conclude she dies in AoU. Marvel wants her death to be a surprise.

If Marvel is serious about making superhero movies with substance, then there must be serious consequences to the Avengers’ actions otherwise it’s just another rearranging of the deck chairs. What could cause Tony to support the registration of superheroes? That’s a pretty drastic step. Tony’s always presented himself as a fairly glib-everything-rolls-off-my-back kind of character but Natasha’s death would pierce that armor. And Steve is closer than anyone to her. Her death would wound him.

Also the films have established the rivalry between Tony and Steve and Black Widow’s death could turn rivalry into open opposition.

And as for Banner, maybe the fight between IM and the Hulk isn’t a result of the Scarlet Witch’s "magic" but Natasha’s death. Imagine what her dying would do to Banner.

It would turn him truly into a rage monster.

I think War Machine is the one to die. He’s expendable and not confirmed for any more movies.

No one cares about War Machine. The audience hasn’t asked for a War Machine stand alone film as it has for Black Widow. War Machine hasn’t had the screen time or been as integral to a movie as Black Widow.

Black Widow has no super powers, she’s not encased in a suit of armor. She has her training and her wits.

Ultron kills War Machine its merely metal grinding metal.

Ultron kills the Black Widow its the villain killing a character whose become flesh and blood to the audience.

Also killing a woman, in particular a beautiful woman, by a physically superior adversary who enjoys inflicting harming, has – regardless of how egalitarian and gender blind society supposedly is today (and it’s not) – a greater effect on the audience than killing a guy in a metal battle suit.

All those strong alpha males and none could save Natasha. If Ultron wants to tear them apart from the inside, well that would be a sure way of accomplishing that task.

Whedon is a writer and a good one and he knows one of the first rules of writing:

"Kill your darlings."

No one cares about War Machine. The audience hasn’t asked for a War Machine stand alone film as it has for Black Widow. War Machine hasn’t had the screen time or been as integral to a movie as Black Widow.

Black Widow has no super powers, she’s not encased in a suit of armor. She has her training and her wits.

Ultron kills War Machine its merely metal grinding metal.

Ultron kills the Black Widow its the villain killing a character whose become flesh and blood to the audience.

Also killing a woman, in particular a beautiful woman, by a physically superior adversary who enjoys inflicting harming, has – regardless of how egalitarian and gender blind society supposedly is today (and it’s not) – a greater effect on the audience than killing a guy in a metal battle suit.

All those strong alpha males and none could save Natasha. If Ultron wants to tear them apart from the inside, well that would be a sure way of accomplishing that task.

Whedon is a writer and a good one and he knows one of the first rules of writing:

"Kill your darlings."

Audiences do care about War Machine. He’s one of the most popular supporting characters and has been there since the first MCU movie. People will care if he dies. Black Widow is just unlikely to die.

Really? What metric do you base your conclusion on? Didn’t hear a great deal of outcry when Cheadle replaced Howard as War Machine. Audiences and fans haven’t asked for a War Machine movie for one simple reason:

There’s only room for one armored Avenger in the MCU and that Avenger is Iron Man. Lose War Machine and you still have Tony.

But there is only one Black Widow.

I have to agree with Killgrave. Although War Machine might be popular, so are all the characters, even Hawkeye. If Marvel are wanting to shock audiences, Black Widow is the way to go, albeit an unfortunate way to go.

Oh, and btw War Machine wasn’t in the first MCU film. Howard was never War Machine. As CinemaSins put it, when Rhodey looks at the Mk II just before Tony fights Stane and says "Next time, baby.": "Yeah, but not you."

Moral of the Howard/Cheadle conversion: don’t get on RDJ’s bad side.

No suit for you.

Yeah. Pity really. I’d have loved to see what Howard would have been like in a suit.

I’m a Cheadle fan so I’m fine with the switch. He was great as the character Mouse in Devil in a Blue Dress. Stole the movie right from under Denzel, no easy task that.

War Machine and Don Cheadle are one of the main things that audiences praised about Iron Man 2 and 3 from various reviews from critics and audiences.

Well I’m still sticking by War Machine since he makes more sense to kill off in terms of the story, while Black Widow doesn’t.

Tony’s creation goes rogue and kills his best friend. That’s better juice for the story and Tony’s character arc. It can even lead into Civil War: "This is what happens when Superhumans aren’t controlled, people close to you die."

Tony and Black Widow don’t have much of an on screen relationship. Her death would really only effect Cap, Hulk and Hawkeye most in terms of character development. Tony and Widow barely talk in Avengers. Hell, they barely talk in Iron Man 2. If the death is to impact Tony’s character and set Civil War in motion then Hulk and War Machine are the best options.

Even then, it doesn’t make sense to try and predict who Whedon will kill off. He always kills off who you least expect. The character who, as soon as they die, you go "Damn, I really liked that character. I miss them." You only realise you miss them when they die.

Who expected Joyce, Tara, Anya and Spike to die in Buffy? Doyle, Cordelia, Fred and Wesley in Angel? Wash in Firefly/Serenity? Coulson in Avengers? If you predicted those you must be Whedon himself. The thing about his deaths is that no one saw them coming. Even if you guessed someone was going to die, it was always the character you least expected. So I’m betting War Machine, but I know for a fact it’ll be someone we haven’t thought of. Black Widow is safe. As is Iron Man and Captain America.

When was War Machine’s last appearance in the MCU? Two years ago. When was the Widow’s last appearance in the MCU? One year ago in CA: TWS. Which movie IM3 or TWS is in heavy rotation on cable? TWS.

Why no Black Widow film in Marvel’s future plans? Why instead a Carol Danvers Captain Marvel film? Lucy showed Johansson can carry a picture to the finish line. Marvel would make drug cartel dollars with a Widow stand alone and Marvel has shown itself incredibly savvy at making movies that make money.

Why does the final Avengers’ trailer focus on Black Widow? Why her being chummy with Banner? Why is the trailer’s almost final shot her fighting Ultron with Cap’s shield. She has no armor, no super strength, no arrows to fire from a distance, but she has the courage to take on Ultron in hand to hand combat. Why center a multi-million dollar ad campaign on one character?

Answer: Black Widow dies. You kill War Machine, a guy protected by a suit of armor, you’re just killing a guy in a team composed mostly of guys. Most enhanced, Hawkeye excluded, in some way. Ultron kills her it effects Cap and the Hulk but mostly the audience. (And Whedon did it before by killing Coulson, who faced off with a demigod and lost.)

I’ve paraphrased Poe before and I do it again: more lines of poetry and prose have been written about the death of a beautiful woman than any other topic.

And May 1st will render this discussion moot.

Oh man.

I wasn’t really taking your prediction that seriously before, but you make some damn good points.

Now I’m going to be tense throughout the whole movie waiting to see if you’re right or not. :p

Also: the Russo bros. are confirmed to be directing Avengers 3 and 4 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/MarvelFreshman/news/?a=118272).

I loved what I saw in The Winter Soldier, and I’m excited to see some Avengers movies in that style.

Why does the final Avengers’ trailer focus on Black Widow? Why her being chummy with Banner? Why is the trailer’s almost final shot her fighting Ultron with Cap’s shield. She has no armor, no super strength, no arrows to fire from a distance, but she has the courage to take on Ultron in hand to hand combat. Why center a multi-million dollar ad campaign on one character?

Because she’s an immensly popular character in the MCU. Just like how the Avengers marketing focused on Iron Man. They’re just focusing on the characters audiences respond to. It doesn’t mean anything. It’s just marketing. What’s popular = What’s focused on in the marketing.

I would hate to see Black Widow die, she has good interaction with the other Avenger hero’s and looks great. War Machine is also popular but He and Hawkeye seem more expendable. But if Marvel wants to hit the audience hard her death would do it.

Because she’s an immensly popular character in the MCU. Just like how the Avengers marketing focused on Iron Man. They’re just focusing on the characters audiences respond to. It doesn’t mean anything. It’s just marketing. What’s popular = What’s focused on in the marketing.

No, good marketing has a purpose, a reason, a goal it is trying to achieve. If Marvel wanted popular Cap or Iron Man would have been the focus of the trailer because they are probably Marvel’s favorite sons. Again, the final third of the trailer is Widow-centric. Not Cap, Thor, IM or Hulk. Why? Because that’s the character Marvel wants you to remember. Why? It’s not because there’s a Widow film in the future, because there’s not. They are elevating her character, a supporting character for a reason. She’s popular, but why pay that much attention to a character that has no future in the MCU?

You rise someone up so that she can fall, so that she can have the hero’s death. You have the least powerful Avenger go toe-to-toe with the Avengers’ most powerful threat to date. No armor, no super strength, just Cap’s shield. My guess, that’s where Ultron breaks Cap’s shield.

Then Ultron breaks Black Widow.

Her death would really only effect Cap, Hulk and Hawkeye most in terms of character development. If the death is to impact Tony’s character and set Civil War in motion then Hulk and War Machine are the best options.

Using your own logic, Black Widow makes perfect sense. Iron Man isn’t the only main character in Civil War. Cap’s there too. And if this death is going to help set Civil War up, Black Widow’s death would work for Cap in exactly the same way that you’re saying War Machine’s death would affect Tony.

And Killgrave is right – that shot of her going head on with Ultron himself is a pretty good indication of an epic (and ultimately tragic) showdown.

But let’s just wait and see, shall we?

Amen to that. Who knows, I could be stuffed topful of wild blueberry muffins on this one. It might be War Machine who bites the dust or metal shavings in his case. I think that would be the equivalent of a Star Trek Red Shirt Death and it would tell me Marvel wants to play it safe. Much as I like Black Widow, in order to make the Civil War storyline one with weight and heft, it demands a death of consequence.

Hers.

And it sets the stage for the death of Captain America at the hands or guns of Crossbones in Civil War.

I agree that Black Widow will die. Once civil war was announced, i was wondering what would drive Cap and Tony against each other. Widow’s death would be a big part of that.

I am also thinking that perhaps (perhaps) Tony will die in Civil War. I know it sounds crazy, but I think that in the end Tony will make up for his mistakes (Ultron etc…) and sacrifice himself to save the others from something or other. From what I understand, in the comics Cap dies in Civil War. I think maybe they’ll do twist and surprise everyone. Plus they can get rid of RDJ’s huge money contract. What do you all think? Am I crazy? I could be completely wrong, but it’s just something I’ve been thinking about. 🙂

No, good marketing has a purpose, a reason, a goal it is trying to achieve. If Marvel wanted popular Cap or Iron Man would have been the focus of the trailer because they are probably Marvel’s favorite sons. Again, the final third of the trailer is Widow-centric. Not Cap, Thor, IM or Hulk. Why? Because that’s the character Marvel wants you to remember. Why? It’s not because there’s a Widow film in the future, because there’s not. They are elevating her character, a supporting character for a reason. She’s popular, but why pay that much attention to a character that has no future in the MCU?

You rise someone up so that she can fall, so that she can have the hero’s death. You have the least powerful Avenger go toe-to-toe with the Avengers’ most powerful threat to date. No armor, no super strength, just Cap’s shield. My guess, that’s where Ultron breaks Cap’s shield.

Then Ultron breaks Black Widow.

Or maybe it’s because Widow was one of the most popular parts of TA and TWS so they’re making her a big part of the marketing this time around. The "She’s in the marketing a lot so must die" doesn’t make sense. She’s in the marketing a lot as she’s a popular character. More popular now then she was for Avengers 1. So she’s a focus of the marketing. Just like how Quicksilver and Scarlett Witch will be a big part of the IW marketing if they’re very popular after this. Movie marketing is all about getting you into the theatre. So it shows you what you want to see. Avengers 1 marketing: Iron Man, Captain America and Thor in the same movie! Avengers 2 Marketing: All of the Avengers are back and facing a new villain! So the marketing is focusing on the most popular Avengers which are Iron Man, Hulk, Cap and Black Widow. Notice how Thor isn’t focused on much in the marketing? Because he’s not as popular as the others. So Disney is showing us the characters they think we want to see, not the characters thaat are important. Also Disney is doing the marketing and they’re showing us what they think will make us go see it. So Black Widow is hugely popular = More people will go see it if we show Black Widow is in it a lot. Remember how Disney focused on Olaf and the comedy in the Frozen trailers as they thought that was the most popular part of it? Then after release trailers shifted to focus on Elsa? Because the trailers focus on Black Widow it doesn’t mean she’s going to die. It’s just because Disney are anticipating her being one of the most popular characters in the film. Those Black Widow action figures won’t sell themselves.

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that shot of her going head on with Ultron himself is a pretty good indication of an epic (and ultimately tragic) showdown.

Well… not necessarily. Who’s to say Thor doesn’t swoop in seconds later to help out? Can’t judge from a trailer. Remember when people said Tony would be in trouble when we saw the "We have a Hulk" clips because Tony was unarmoured and facing off with Loki? He wasn’t. He got a new suit and blasted Loki minutes later. Just because we see a shot of Black Widow fighting Ultron, it doesn’t mean she’ll lose. She could hold him off for a few minutes then someone else comes to help out. Or Ultron could leave, deciding Iron Man/Thor/Hulk are a bigger threat. I think that scene ends with Hulk charging in and saving her.

I am also thinking that perhaps (perhaps) Tony will die in Civil War.

Naaahhhh. I’m thinking they’ll save all the BIG deaths (i.e. characters with their own films) for Infinity War.

Then they’ll transition from the Phase 1 Avengers to a new team.

The numbers tell the story: percentage of audience were women –

Avengers 40%
Iron Man 3 42%
Guardians of the Galaxy 44%
Frozen 57%
Maleficent 60%
Hunger Games: Catching Fire 59%

What do those last three films have in common: female leads. Who are the leads in most young adult films, Hunger Games, Twilight, Divergent, The Fault in Our Stars: women. Two of the biggest money making films, Gravity & The Heat, featured women. Sandra Bullock and Melissa McCarthy put asses in seats.

If ever there was a shut-up-and-take-my-money scenario its that of a female driven superhero movie. And Black Widow should be the perfect candidate for that movie. Thanks to the Marvel films her onscreen presence is already front loaded into the public’s awareness, no starting from ground zero. (I think it was James Cameron who said the best trailer for Terminator 2 was the first Terminator.)

And with a Captain Marvel movie in the pipeline, Marvel is not letting all that money just sit in people’s wallets. They are going after it. Marvel knows to plan for the future you must make the future. Look at how it has changed the movie world since the first Iron Man. Superheroes have undergone a sea change, they are no longer films just for kids or young adults, they can be quite serious. Take the superhero elements out of CA: TWS and it still would have worked as a political thriller.

Yet instead of going with a Widow film Marvel chose Captain Marvel to be its first female superhero movie. This is a character the non comic book reading community knows zero about. Just like GoTG they are starting at square one in audience recognition. Why the Captain instead of the Widow?

Because Black Widow dies. Her death will be felt more and have greater consequences than the death of War Machine. You just get another guy to fill the suit. You don’t even see his face most of the time. War Machine is anonymous, expressionless. The suit makes the man, help makes him a hero.

But the Widow, its all her. She made and re-made herself from a spy with red in her ledger into a hero. A human hero who will die at the hands of an inhuman villain.

Dude, your case gets stronger by the day. I’ll be surprised now if she doesn’t die.

Widow isn’t going to die IMO. Maybe Marvel has their own reasons for not making a Black Widow movie. Maybe it just doesn’t fit in with their current plans. Maybe they’re struggling to find the right story? The right script? Just because there isn’t a Black Widow movie yet doesn’t mean anything at all. A lot goes into movie production. Marvel aren’t like other studios. Most studios go "You will write X movie by Y date." Marvel is more "We have an idea for a movie we’re interested in doing, but we’re trying to find the right team for it." Maybe the reason Black Widow hasn’t been made yet is because Marvel isn’t confident they can find the right scriptwriters and director in time for Phase 3 so would rather wait for Phase 4 for a Black Widow movie. Captain Marvel got a movie in Phase 3 because MArvel is confident they can deliver the best movie they can with that character then.

Maybe Hulk will die?

Black Window is about the only well known strong female roll so far, for balance and the audience I think she will survive. But what do I know? I more of a Star Trek fan than a super hero fan. Avengers was the movie that got me interested again in comic book super heroes.

Maybe Hulk will die?

I don’t think the Hulk can die. Banner said he put a gun in his mouth, pulled the trigger and the "other guy" spat out the bullet.

As for the Widow, I don’t want her to die. She is one of my favorites. (Hell, the only action figures I own are of the Black Widow. Well, her and the Hulkbuster. Call it a weakness.) Smart, resourceful, tough, beautiful: what’s not to like? I’d rather that my nieces look to her as a role model than someone like Kim-my-butt-broke-the-Internet-what’s-her-face. (And for the record they do look up to the Widow. Although it changes weekly from Katniss to Elsa to Natasha.)

But from a storytelling perspective her death is a necessity. Especially if Marvel wants to elevate the superhero genre. Killing a lesser known character is a cheat and the audience will see through that sleight of hand. People have become much more sophisticated in their expectations. They might not be always able to put into words or discern what exactly is unsatisfactory about the story but they’ll know the studio is playing it safe instead of swinging for the fences.

But in about three weeks we’ll know for sure. Earlier if you live overseas. And if I’m wrong you can tell "I told you so." And if I’m wrong a part of me will be happy that Nat didn’t die, but a greater part will be disappointed because Marvel choked.

Maybe Hulk will die?

You can’t kill the Hulk.

In one Avengers cartoon, Hulk was shown to be stronger than the force of gravity at any level (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyM7LsOXQDk&t=3m29s). If that doesn’t kill him then nothing can.

My theory at some point he’ll be jettisoned off into space, like in Planet Hulk. Where would this storyline go? Well, who else live in space…? ()

I’m guessing the Avengers were fighting Gravitron at the time. No joke. Name of Marvel villain. And the Hulk is essentially a gamma bomb on two legs and energy cannot be created or destroyed, its form merely shifted.

I think there was a Marvel one shot where Hulk was the last man on Earth after a global nuclear war. The Hulk fed off the radiation that killed everyone which in turn made him immortal.

I wonder if the Hulk ages as Banner does or is he, the Hulk, immortal? That would be a sight, an eighty year old Banner hulking out.

I wonder if the Hulk ages as Banner does or is he, the Hulk, immortal? That would be a sight, an eighty year old Banner hulking out.

There was a cartoon that depicted an aged Banner/Hulk.
I think it’s the teenty tot avengers.

I saw a trailer for the series.
Banner had grey hair, so did Hulk.

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Robert Bruce Banner (Earth-807128)
Robert Bruce Banner (Earth-807128) – Marvel Comics Database (http://marvel.wikia.com/Robert_Bruce_Banner_%28Earth-807128%29)

Weaknesses

As he ages considerably, Banner’s healing factor has weakened progressively, noticing how he ate Logan, and when Logan sliced open his stomach, Banner didn’t heal from the wounds, and instead died. Also, when he was younger, he was exposed to a million gamma bombs, which damaged his mind enough for him to forcibly turn evil.

There’s probably lots more out there.
Found that image googling for "banner hulk old age".

https://www.google.ca/search?newwindow=1&safe=off&hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1280&bih=856&q=banner+hulk+old+age&oq=banner+hulk+old+age&gs_l=img.3…2532.5922.0.6161.19.13.0.6.1.0.59.573 .12.12.0.msedr…0…1ac.1.64.img..7.12.530.AXo8OU MFRPA

Proving that growing old is not for sissies.

Hulk with grey hair, found the kiddie avengers movie I was trying to remember.

Next Avengers: Heroes of Tomorrow (2008) (Video)
Image – Hulk Threatens Pym NAHT.jpg – Marvel Animated Universe Wiki (http://marvelanimated.wikia.com/wiki/File:Hulk_Threatens_Pym_NAHT.jpg)

here’s trailer in "HD" (MOVIECLIPS channel is run by third-world country so they never have any actual HD videos)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv7KWWFRY6w

I saw the trailer attached the Hulk VS. bluray.
2 movies of Hulk fighting someone.
Movie 1) Hulk VS. The Wolverine
Movie 2) Hulk VS. Thor
or interchange, whatever, I don’t care. They were both on the disc.
i don’t think there’s any chronology/continuity between the two.

Trying to establish continuity in comics is like trying to nail smoke to the wall.

Gross… just take a framed picture off the wall, you’ll see all the nicotine and shit that’s been fermenting on the wall over the years.

Movies I thought were the best (so far):

Avengers – I really enjoyed this. I watch it pretty frequently. Can’t wait for the next one this May.

Captain America: Winter Soldier – Liked this better than the first one. Scarlett Witch cameo at the end was great. Seems like Winter Soldier may be Cap’s side should the character return to the movies.

Guardians Of The Galaxy – Packed with humor and action. Batista was great as Drax. It was probably his best movie role so far. Loved Chris Pratt’s portrayal of Star Lord. Groot was as cool as Groot could be. Vin Diesel played him well. And Rocket Raccoon came off a hell of a lot better than I thought as I didn’t have much expectations for him. I’m not familiar with Guardians, but have since gotten to reading the comics since enjoying this great movie.

(Unrelated to the Avengers Phase) X-Men: Days of Future Past – The best X-Men film alongside First Class and X2: X-Men United. Enough said. I can see the next one keeping up with the momentum.

Thoughts on some upcoming MCU movies:

Avengers: Age of Ultron – I have high hopes for this one. It’s not often that sequels are better than the original. But this may be one of very few exceptions. We’ll see seeing new characters (well new to the Avengers films anyway) in Quicksilver, Scarlett Witch, Ultron, and others. Maybe Spiderman too.

Ant Man – Not familiar with Ant Man. I hope it’s good.

Captain America 3 – I believe this Cap movie will be called Civil War. With Marvel and Sony coming to terms on Spiderman, he’s set to debut in the MCU in this film. I hope Winter Soldier returns. Wonder who the villain will be.

Black Panther – Yes! Many have wanted a Panther movie for years and we’re finally getting one. I just hope it lives up to expectations.

Deadpool – It’s getting an R rating. Deadpool recently died in the comics.The movie’s been in development, I believe for years so hopefully it would have been well worth all the wait.

Doctor Strange – Like Black Panther, fans have wanted a Strange movie and I believe they’re on the verge of getting it.

Wolverine 3 – I loved Wolverine 2. IMO, better than the first one. The Extended Cut of Wolverine 2 is even better. I hope Wolverine 3 keeps up the momentum. Hugh Jackman teased that Wolverine 3 will be his last time playing the character (though there’s always the chance of a return) so I hope they send him off in a great way.

The Avengers: Infinity Wars – The movie will be divided into 2 parts. If this is it for Th Avenger films, it should go out with a BIG BANG.

Spiderman – Spidey’s getting yet another reboot. When Sam Raimi left the franchise, it was the end of the Tobey McGuire Spiderman films although Spidey 3 would have probably been the end of that franchise anyway. Once Marvel and Sony came to terms on Spiderman, it was the end of the Andre Garfield Spiderman films. Amazing Spiderman 2 wasn’t great so it may have caused the end of that franchise anyway. But with Marvel now being allowed to have Spiderman in the MCU, they want to reboot the franchise without Andrew citing he’s too old to play Peter Parker as Marvel wants to begin he reboot with Peter in high school.

There were reports about films on Ms. Marvel, Spider-Woman, Sinister Six and a Venom spinoff. I don’t know the status of those movies. But depending on the cast and story, I’d be interested in seeing them.

nincity15, you seem pretty on top of things in the Marvel Universe. I got into the marvel movies with Avengers, before that the movie like Iron Man were alright but nothing I got excited about. Guardians of the Galaxy was great, the right mixture of action and humor. I can hardly wait for the next episode. I also liked Captain America 2 better than the 1st one which wasn’t bad. I really liked the last couple of X-men movies, they seem to be getting better.

@max_stein:
Yeah I’m a DC/Marvel guy. Can’t pick one over the other, generally speaking. But speaking strictly about superheroes, I’m a Batman guy. Who are your favorite Marvel characters?

Mine:

Good – Ghost Rider (Johnny Blaze), Wolverine, Storm, Morph (when he was good), Deadpool, Spiderman, Dr. Strange, Iron Man/War Machine, Thor, Daredevil, and I like Rogue’s and Cyclops’ power.

Bad – Sentinels (the original TAS look and voice), Magneto, Galactus, Dr. Doom, Apocalypse, Mr. Sinister (because of his TAS voice and look) , Venom, Carnage, Dormammu (not sure if I’m spelling that right)

Can’t think of any more at the moment.

We’ve seen so many superhero movies. But we haven’t seen any villains get a film except for Catwoman and the upcoming Suicide Squad (both of which are DC properties) though I don’t know that they’re villains completely. I see them more as a group of anti-heroes. I’d like to see (Marvel) villain movies on Dr. Doom and Galactus for starters focusing on their origins. You seen the new Daredevil show? You should. Way better than the 2003 movie. I very much enjoyed it.

By the way, nice signature quote. I believe what doesn’t kill you does make you stronger.

Thoughts on some upcoming MCU movies:
Avengers: Age of Ultron – I have high hopes for this one. It’s not often that sequels are better than the original. But this may be one of very few exceptions. We’ll see seeing new characters (well new to the Avengers films anyway) in Quicksilver, Scarlett Witch, Ultron, and others. Maybe Spiderman too.

Chances of seeing Spider-man in this are slim to none as the production was well under way when the Sony-Marvel deal happened. Nobody’s even been casted yet.

Captain America 3 – I believe this Cap movie will be called Civil War. With Marvel and Sony coming to terms on Spiderman, he’s set to debut in the MCU in this film. I hope Winter Soldier returns. Wonder who the villain will be.

Prolly Crossbones as they’ve spent a major portion of CA:TWS introducing us to him. But the movie will most likely focus on the Team Cap vs. Team Iron Man more or less rather than on a traditional ‘hero vs. villain’ scenario. It’ll prolly be up to the audience to pick a side to root for.

Doctor Strange – Like Black Panther, fans have wanted a Strange movie and I believe they’re on the verge of getting it.

They are getting it. It’s scheduled for November 4th, 2016. Scott Derrickson directing from a script by Thomas Dean Donnelly and Joshua Oppenheimer (rewrites by Jon Spaihts) with Benedict Cumberbatch as the Stephen Strange.

The Avengers: Infinity Wars – The movie will be divided into 2 parts. If this is it for Th Avenger films, it should go out with a BIG BANG.

This is it for Phase 3 of the MCU. The Avengers will prolly have a different line-up by the end of this one but the Avengers films will continue.

Just a reminder this is how the table stands currently,

@Helix:

Thanks for the info and table.

"Chances of seeing Spider-man in this are slim to none as the production was well under way when the Sony-Marvel deal happened. Nobody’s even been casted yet."

Agree about Spiderman. He is set to debut in Cap 3 though. There have been casts made for Avengers 2. Of course Chris Evans, Robert Downey Jr, Mark Ruffalo and Chris Hemsworth will return to their respective superhero roles. ScarJo will reprise Black Widow. I assume Samuel Jackson will return as Nick Fury (the Agents of SHIELD show which takes place in the same universe has me believing Fury’s dead. But I think he’s just hiding out somewhere.) and Clark Gregg will return as Agent Phil Coulson. I don’t know about Jeremy Renner/Hawkeye though. But new to the Avengers films, Scarlett Witch and Quicksilver have been cast. IGN did an interview with the actor and actress who will portray them.

nincity15, I enjoyed marvel/dc comics as a kid but I am really a Star Trek Fan. As a kid, I loved the old Batman series and went to the movie. The new Batman movies are pretty dark so I didn’t enjoy them as much. I never got into Spider Man or the Hulk except in the Avengers then Hulk rocked. Magneto is an awesome villain who can also be a good guy at times. I like that in a super villain. I like most of the X men characters, X men 1st class is still my favorite X men movies. After Avengers I liked all the main characters. Didn’t enjoy the 1st Thor movie but liked the last one. Captain America Winter Soldier rocked, the 1st Captain America was alright. I think my turning point with really liking Marvel movies was The Avengers after that I felt a connection with Thor, Captain America, Hulk, Black widow, Iron Man and Hawkeye.

There have been casts made for Avengers 2. Of course Chris Evans, Robert Downey Jr, Mark Ruffalo and Chris Hemsworth will return to their respective superhero roles. ScarJo will reprise Black Widow. I assume Samuel Jackson will return as Nick Fury (the Agents of SHIELD show which takes place in the same universe has me believing Fury’s dead. But I think he’s just hiding out somewhere.) and Clark Gregg will return as Agent Phil Coulson. I don’t know about Jeremy Renner/Hawkeye though. But new to the Avengers films, Scarlett Witch and Quicksilver have been cast. IGN did an interview with the actor and actress who will portray them.

I meant casting for the new guy playing Spider-man. Everyone for AoU has not only been casted, they’ve filmed everything already.

Helix, thanks for posting the table , makes it easier to keep track of all the upcoming movies.

Apparently rumours heavily suggest Baron Zemo will be the villain in Civil War.

Yes!!! Finally they’ve seen the light.

…as HitFix‘s Drew McWeeny noted, the [Age of Ultron] score composed by Brian Tyler – and featuring contributions from Danny Elfman – “finally did the great version of the ‘weave their themes together’ score” for Earth’s Mightiest Heroes.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m sure Silvestri’s first Avengers score is great, but I cannot wait to hear this!! Seeing as Tyler did IM3, I’m assuming that’s the theme that they’ll be using for Tony. Similarly with Thor.

Baron Zemo

http://i.imgur.com/kkWTXkO.gif

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"Untitled Batman Movie", year unknown.

It better be 2017, liked immediately with BvsS.
Ben Affleck is old.

They’re going to have to recast again very soon.
They should get all the Batman actors to appear in that untitled movie.
Let them all be supervillains in Arkham Asylum.

Zemo was an old enemy of Captain America from WWII, who was in the original comics. And he died a violent death several issues later anyway.

It made sense then because it had only been about a couple decades since the war. But it’s been, what, over 70 years since WWII by now, so I can’t see how they’d be able to claim Zemo is an old enemy of Cap’s in the film.

Maybe he’ll just be a Hydra scientist with no connection to Cap at all.

It is Hollywood, anything can happen!

@Helix:

Yeah true Avengers 2 is coming out next month so filming is probably done or close to it. But yeah the new Spiderman film has a way to go before cast, crew, release date is set. Considering he’s set to debut in Cap 3which is coming out May 6 next year, they’ll focus on casting him soon. Freddie Highmore (Norman Bates from Bates Motel) has stated he wants to play Peter Parker. I don’t know. I think he may be too associated with the Norman Bates role since the show’s in its 3rd season now and people really like him in that role. That doesn’t mean he’ll be a bad Peter Parker so I’m not knocking him. But Peter cannot be close to being Norman Bates like obviously, even of the Venom symbiote turned him into the black Spiderman like it did to Tobey’s Peter Parker in Sam Raimi’s Spiderman 3.

@The Sparktank 2.1:

I love Batman. But a new Bat movie in 2017 IMO is too soon. Batman Begins came out in 2005. Before that the last Bat film was Batman & Robin in 1997. That’s a nine year gap. The Nolan trilogy ended in 2012. Another Bat movie in 2017 is only a 5 year gap. I get Batman needs his own movie to build him up for the Justice League film. But I rather they wait on a new Batman movie and focus on having solo movies on some of the other Justice League members and/or villains. Again, just my opinion.

If they are going to do a Batman movie, I want them to resurrect the live action Batman Beyond movie that was planned, but ultimately abandoned. Not really a fan of a high school teenage Batman, but….or a Robin and Nightwing solo movies.

I know Wonder Woman and Flash are getting solo films. Superman had one with Man of Steel. That’s 3 (with Batman, it’s 4) solo movies on JL members, which I’m guessing will be 6-8 members in the JL movie. Captain Marvel’s getting one but I don’t know if he’s going to be part of the JL team. Green Lantern might be though and I think they’re planning a movie on him. I’d want a movie on Hawkgirl and Arrow. If Amell won’t be The Arrow in the movie and he sated he preferred working on the TV show over an Arrow movie, then Josh Harnett who I believe played Green Arrow in Smallville should be Arrow in the movie. He was great although I find Amell to be the best live action Arrow.

Ok enough about DC. This is a Marvel thread. I am creating a DC thread so the conversation could continue there.

@max_stein:

Star Trek…I liked Deep Space Nine and Voyager. They were good. But I didn’t get into Star Trek until The Next Generation which I think is still the best. I stopped after Voyager. But I like the two movies that came out recently and am awaiting the third. Also awaiting Star Wars because I’m curious how they will follow Return of The Jedi, especially with the villain factor. But this is a conversation best continued on a Star Trek/Star Wars thread.

Hulk…the Ed Norton movie was better than the Eric Bana one from 2003. But I think Mark Ruffalo’s the best Hulk/Banner. They really should so a Hulk movie with him. A Nick Fury movie and one on Black Widow would be nice too. I agree about Magneto. I like Mystique’s shape shifting abilities.

Ok enough about DC. This is a Marvel thread. I am creating a DC thread so the conversation could continue there.

We’ve already got one. (Thread 185191)

Casting Ben Affleck was like casting Robert Downey Jr as Tony Stark.

RDJ is getting too old now, and showing it.
Hugh Jackman is getting too old for Wolverine and showing it.

When MR was cast for Banner in Avengers, he was great.
But old.
Just the very short clip post-credits in Iron Man 3, you can see MR appearing much older than everyone else.

If Affleck does Batman in 2020, he’s going to be grandpa Batman.

Affleck, RDJ and MR can start a new Expendables trilogy in 2020.
That’s their future.

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Star Trek…

Ok enough about Star Trek. This is a Marvel thread.

]@TheSkeletonMan939:

Oh thanks for the link to to the DC thread.

@Thesparktank 2.1:

Casting Affleck is like casting Downey Jr….I agree because when Robert was cast as Iron Man, people felt he wasn’t a good fit. But he proved them wrong. They were all over the Affleck casting, even posting online petitions to change the casting before he even portrayed the character.

RDJ, Jackman getting old….don’t care. They can still pull it off as they’ve proven. If it looks that’s the issue, technology allows them to look younger than they actually are. I don’t know who else would best fit those roles. No one looks like Stark and Logan more than RDJ and Jackman nor do I think anyone will surpass their portrayals, especially Jackman. The last time I saw Ruffalo was Avengers 1. He’s done some things since then I’m sure. Just haven’t seen him. He looked young to me in Avengers, but that was 2012. No idea what he looks like now. But despite his age, he’s the best Hulk/Banner until someone can top him.

I don’t know if Affleck is gonna do Batman in 2020. No one does. He may feel he’s too old at that time. If they ever did a Batman Beyond movie, I think Keaton would be the best Bruce Wayne because he’s older than Bale and Affleck. 2020 is still years away. There’s so much to focus on right now. The world will worry about 2020 later. Right now, no point.

Speaking of Batman, I know video game movies usually suck. I still think Mortal Kombat (1995) is the best one. But I want to see them adapt Injustice: Gods Among Us and the Arkham series including Knight into live action movies.

RDJ is Iron Man/Stark. He and the suit are one.

Marvel will never be able to find another actor to portray Tony. Yes, RDJ’s done other movies, but he will forever be remembered first and foremost as the real-life Tony Stark.

nincity15, DS9 is my favorite after TOS, I am currently watching Voyager season 5. I didn’t get to see much of Voyager or Enterprise when they came out so they both are pretty new to me. I picked up both series. I watch several episodes a night. Except for a break to watch Hobbit 3 I been watching Voyager every night. I also like the new Star Trek movies, they did a good job picking out actors. I saw the 1st Star Wars movie in German in 1978 and have been a fan ever sense. Mystique is beautiful even in blue.

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James P Sullivan, I totally agree with you, RDJ is Iron Man and lets face it with a suit like his even an 80 year old great grand father can be a super hero 🙂

Marvel’s Spider-Man confirmed for 2017 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/KingPatel/news/?a=118500). But I’m still hoping for at least a cameo in Civil War.

They’re putting him back in high school again. Why? I’m kind of sick of seeing him in high school. Is it because it makes him seem young and inexperienced?

After the ASM franchise I’d much rather see Peter take a gap year between high school and college so that he can focus on taking care of his aunt and, well, being Spider-Man. That way you eliminate the school setting but still keep him a young guy. But I still trust Marvel will do a good job.

Sounds good and crappy at the same time.

I agree, they need to cut the cord with that character now.
I’m getting tired of "origin" stories. I’ve seen so many bloody origin stories on Spider-Man, he’s gotten nowhere in film.
And he’s going nowhere again.

What a disappointment.

Prolly waste the entire movie going through the school bullying, the pretty girl and the death of an uncle all over again.

I must admit this gap year idea sounds great. Weird how TASM’s writers couldn’t see it.

There has been chatter about them going the comic route which if they follow, should mean Spider-man’s identity being revealed during the Civil War movie. Now that would change things for a standalone Spider Man movie especially if it chronologically follows Cap 3 instead of occurring before it.

Oh god. I forgot about the uncle…
Took over an hour for him to die in TAS…

I love Martin Sheen. But, come on, already! We have a story to move along.
The uncle in 2002 was completely forgettable and not a valid storyline to push Parker to be Spider-Man.
Not even to defend his useless aunt that’s never in the movie for anything besides making pancakes.

:sigh:

I think they should twist it and kill both of them.
Let him be completely on his own.
And let James Franco adopt him.
Only to find out Franco is the millionaire bad guy who learns his lesson too late, dies and gives everything to Parker so he can be the Bruce Wayne of Spider-Man.

Just no more origin stories, please. Apparently the plan is to focus on the Spider instead of the Man meaning teenager as superhero first – played by an actual teenage actor and not a twenty-four year old – and hopefully romance dead last. Leave Peter’s love life for the second film.

And make his first villain Kraven the Hunter.

You know in some ways it’s a shame, Felicia Hardy and the Sinister Six guys were going to make for an interesting third film. Villain-wise, the new writers have a lot of good options.

They made a lot of mistakes though in TASM2. Let’s just have someone like Whedon or Gunn in charge of Spider-man for a change. Not Raimi not Webb, someone with an interest beyond getting a paycheck. Someone who can not only make films with a distinctive flavor but also really know and care for the tales. Someone who knows how to blend the funny stuff with the tragic stuff. Spidey is quite similar to Tony Stark in many ways than not. He’s suffered and continues to suffer with very few moments of warm sunlight in between, but with the mask on he’s different. Almost bulletproof, it’s as if his past fades away and he can kid around and mess with bad guys before tossing them out. Peter’s is only human while Spidey’s another species.

After Avengers: AoU Whedon says he is retiring from superheroes that’s why the Russo brothers will helm the Infinity Wars films. I’d love for James Cameron to direct a Spider-Man film, as he was once slated to, but that ship, not the Titanic, has sailed.

Justin Lin or James Wan comes to mind.

I don’t think Cameron can do anything these days besides Avatar.

He’s too old school in a new world.

Besides, he has to do up to Avatar 4 or something.

We need young blood to take over the movies.
Not whoever is doing Fantastic Four. I already see that as a failure.
Not any of the teen drama/action flicks either. Entirely different genre of films.

It can’t be a director who will try work hard on making it a serious drama.
We have plenty of dark/nolan films by now.

Let’s have pure action, no brainers.

Apparently, Drew Goddard of Cabin in the Woods is the front runner to write and direct Spidey’s first MCU adventure.

And age is not necessarily a detriment and youth not necessarily an asset. You mentioned Cameron, no spring chicken he, yet with Avatar, regardless of how one perceives the actual merits of the film, he changed movies with that one film. Suddenly, 3D movies were back in vogue and computer animation wasn’t for kids. Because of Cameron’s experience he created a movie to be filmed in 3D and knew how to take advantage of the format. He didn’t, as so many directors did afterwards, post-converted a film to 3D. And, of course, they looked like crap and almost as quickly the 3D phenomenon died because almost none of the films looked as good as Avatar.

Also most of those directors don’t have Cameron’s talent. The man cannot make a film that is epic in nature. His movies don’t stop at the four corners of the screen, they go beyond.

George Miller is another example of age being an asset. I don’t know how Mad Max: Fury Road is going to play out at the box office but the cinematography showcased in the trailers is magnificent. No shaky cam, no ADD editing, you can see the action, no blink and you might miss it sleight of hand. Most of the action is practical, very little CGI and you can see the difference. Miller was able to do that because years of hands on experience.

And I want my action films to have brains. If I want a no brainer there’s Michael Bay, Simon West, Stephen Somers, Taken 2 & 3, Expendables 2 & 3, etc, etc, etc. An action movie shouldn’t require the audience leaves their brains at home in order to enjoy the film.

There’s a lovely choice.

Marvel’s Spider-Man confirmed for 2017 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/KingPatel/news/?a=118500). But I’m still hoping for at least a cameo in Civil War.

They’re putting him back in high school again. Why? I’m kind of sick of seeing him in high school. Is it because it makes him seem young and inexperienced?

After the ASM franchise I’d much rather see Peter take a gap year between high school and college so that he can focus on taking care of his aunt and, well, being Spider-Man. That way you eliminate the school setting but still keep him a young guy. But I still trust Marvel will do a good job.

That’s another confirmed movie for 2017 on my to watch list.

They’re putting him back in HS again because now that he’s part of the MCU, they want to start from the beginning under the Marvel umbrella to properly introduce him. Yes everyone knows his origin. But an origin story being the first film in a franchise is the proper way to start the franchise like it or not. If anything, Bolan’s Batman trilogy should have proven that.

From what I read in an IGN article involving the involved parties working on Civil War, it looks to me that Spidey WILL have a cameo in the movie. Whether it’s as Peter Parker or him him in the Spidey suit remains to be seen.

For everyone talking bout the 2017 Spidey film, I have a few questions:
1. Since Parker’s in HS, who should be cast as him?
2. Who should be cast as Aunt May, Uncle Ben, Peter’s love (or potential love) interest?
3. Someone said the villain should be Kraven The Hunter. Anyone agree or have a different villain in mind?

Justin Lin or James Wan comes to mind.

Please, no.

Apparently, Drew Goddard of Cabin in the Woods is the front runner to write and direct Spidey’s first MCU adventure.

Well if Daredevil’s any indication he’s good, but still makes some rookie mistakes with the writing. Favor style a tad more than substance, but I’m only three episodes in so what do I know.

And age is not necessarily a detriment and youth not necessarily an asset.

Especially in film-making.

You mentioned Cameron, no spring chicken he, yet with Avatar, regardless of how one perceives the actual merits of the film, he changed movies with that one film. Suddenly, 3D movies were back in vogue and computer animation wasn’t for kids. Because of Cameron’s experience he created a movie to be filmed in 3D and knew how to take advantage of the format. He didn’t, as so many directors did afterwards, post-converted a film to 3D. And, of course, they looked like crap and almost as quickly the 3D phenomenon died because almost none of the films looked as good as Avatar.

I hate Avatar. It’s a cliche-ed(?) mess. The writing really is pathetic. But I cannot help but accept that as a film, as a visual experience it works. That’s the beauty of it. 3D was, is and will remain to be a gimmick but Cameron made significant advancements in shooting films in the format and encouraged the industry to collectively work on it as well. As much of the trend-setter that he was, other directors are not to blame for the failure of 3D (no major studio is going to admit this BTW). Sure, some jumped too quickly on the bandwagon without any expertise or care, but some directors went to Cameron for help. There were collaborations. There were directors who shot the films in 3D to begin with, the latest Transformers was like that (shot on fresh 3D IMAX cameras). Still, the format didn’t work. The great thing about Cameron was that the subject that he had in mind, the way that he shot it and the exquisite use of CGI in Avatar proved to work as a package. If you take 3D out of the equation, Avatar is a pretty average summer flick. But this does not mean that Avatar with 3D was elevated to a heavenly status, it’s just that everything was mixed together just right.

Let’s have pure action, no brainers.

Also, prolly not the best way to go about it for Spidey. But I wouldn’t mind of the John Wick guy did Spidey’s new film at all.

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1. Since Parker’s in HS, who should be cast as him?

Goddamn, I was really hoping they’d go for Miles Morales. Or if they want to go the Parker route (which is so familiar), they should just start by him revealing his identity in Civil War and forego the origin story.

3. Someone said the villain should be Kraven The Hunter. Anyone agree or have a different villain in mind?

Black Cat, Electro, Chameleon, Mysterio, Doc Octopus, Venom or Carnage and let’s change some of Green Goblin’s stuff (again what a third recast?) for Hobgoblin.

Let’s have pure action, no brainers.

Was ASM2 not good enough for you? :p

ASM2 had fewer brains than the Scarecrow from The Wizard of Oz.

ASM2 had fewer brains than the Scarecrow from The Wizard of Oz.

Yet somehow, inexplicably, I still loved it. Crazy.

We all have our weaknesses. I love Stallone’s Cobra. That movie is every 80’s action cliche condensed into one truly horrible film. I should hate it but I have it on blu-ray. Makes me laugh every time I watch it. It was supposed to be the start of a franchise, a la Dirty Harry. Thank God we were spared that travesty. Three Cobra films would have opened a wormhole in spacetime and swallowed the Earth.

Killgrave your so right about Cobra it was a horrible movie it would have been better if he had made another Rambo film instead 🙂

Later this year Stallone shoots his final Rambo film. Interested to see how the saga concludes.

P.S. Ant-Man Trailer.

http://www.hitfix.com/harpy/ant-man-trailer-finally-drops-what-is-this-a-trailer-for-ants

P.S. Ant-Man Trailer.

?Ant-Man? trailer finally drops; what is this, a trailer for ants? (http://www.hitfix.com/harpy/ant-man-trailer-finally-drops-what-is-this-a-trailer-for-ants)

Watched that earlier today. I’m actually hesitantly excited about this one. Particularly Yellowjacket’s suit. Very awesome looking. 🙂

Villain is Yellowjacket. And Paul Rudd in hero mode works for me.

Well, I’ll be! I wasn’t very enthusiastic about the film after that mediocre first trailer, but it’s nice to see Marvel is embracing the simple silliness of Ant Man (DC meanwhile is embarrassed to name their character Green Arrow) and that new trailer looks great!

Definitely excited about this one now.

I’ve always believed regardless of how silly a concept seems, if everyone in the film, tv show, etc., takes the idea seriously and plays it straight, then the audience will take it seriously as well. Ant-Man is a silly name but if the character Scott Lang acts heroically then the name because inconsequential. Deeds, not words, are what matter.

I mean not every hero can have a heroic name like, say, Spider-Man because everyone just loves spiders.

P.S. This film had my money with the shot of Scott Lang riding a flying ant into combat.

Early reviews of Avengers: AoU are trending positive, in most cases extremely positive, but also saying this film is far darker than the first, which considering this film is a lead in to Civil Wars and Phase 3, makes sense.

The Marvel imposed review embargo lifts April 21st when critics can actually discuss the film’s contents in detail.

And according to Collider here’s the reason why the Hulk hasn’t had a Marvel stand alone film: Why Marvel Can’t Make a New Hulk Movie (http://www.denofgeek.us/movies/hulk/245416/why-marvel-cant-make-a-new-hulk-movie)

Another update on the soundtrack/score for Age Of Ultron, apparently Elfman is no longer doing ‘Additional Music’, he’s co-credited. If the tracklist is any indication it seems that he’s contributed nearly half the score.

Marvel Music and Hollywood Records will release the original motion picture digital soundtrack for Marvel’s “Avengers: Age of Ultron” on April 28, 2015. The physical CD will be available on May 19, 2015.

The artwork, I hope is prefinal, because it is horrible. I don’t know hat happened to Marvel’s marketing team, just shoddy work all around. See for yourself,

Avengers: Age of Ultron track list:

1. “Avengers: Age of Ultron Title” – Brian Tyler
2. “Heroes” * – Danny Elfman
3. “Rise Together” – Brian Tyler
4. “Breaking and Entering” – Brian Tyler
5. “It Begins” – Danny Elfman
6. “Birth of Ultron” – Brian Tyler
7. “Ultron-Twins” – Danny Elfman
8. “Hulkbuster” – Brian Tyler
9. “Can You Stop This Thing?” – Danny Elfman
10. “Sacrifice” – Brian Tyler
11. “Farmhouse” – Danny Elfman
12. “The Vault” – Brian Tyler
13. “The Mission” – Brian Tyler
14. “Seoul Searching” – Brian Tyler
15. “Inevitability-One Good Eye” * – Danny Elfman
16. “Ultron Wakes” – Danny Elfman
17. “Vision” – Brian Tyler
18. “The Battle” – Brian Tyler
19. “Wish You Were Here” – Brian Tyler
20. “The Farm” – Danny Elfman
21. “Darkest of Intentions” – Brian Tyler
22. “Fighting Back” – Brian Tyler
23. “Avengers Unite” – Danny Elfman
24. “Keys to the Past” – Brian Tyler
25. “Uprising” – Brian Tyler
26. “Outlook” – Brian Tyler
27. “The Last One” – Brian Tyler
28. “Nothing Lasts Forever”

Source (http://marvel.com/news/movies/24446/marvels_avengers_age_of_ultron_original_soundtrack _available_digitally_april_28)

This score is going to be really, really good or it’s gonna really, really suck.

Hope some samples show up soon…

As I said on the AoU thread, my cover was way better, though I say so myself. :p

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(Although I think I need to re-jig the text a little bit.)

Frankly, I’m surprised at them. The first one made a ton of money and most of the time they do the publicity thing well. But somehow on the sequel to highest grossing Marvel movie ever, they’ve managed to make not a single good creative decision. It’s like they handed the poster to an intern and s/he wrote the credits (abysmally, I might add) in MS Paint.

I mean, this is why people make custom covers for fudge’s sake!

The poster itself is horrible.

Hell, you can even see Quicksilver just floating there.

It’s all disproportional. Take a good long look at how small Widow is compared to Hulk right behind her.

I know, the entire marketing budget seems to have been blown on a shoddy, lazy and unprofessional campaign for one of the year’s most anticipated tentpole films and that too by a studio that’s known for it’s innovative techniques, etc.

That cover (a common poster I saw at the local theaters) should be a motion poster.
The background Ultrons need to be animated.
That’s the only way it will work.

@Helix:

Can’t wait for the score. Brian Tyler’s done some good work. But I am a big Danny Elfman fan. I don’t expect everything to be included as OST’s usually miss some material.

And Black Cat is not a villain. She’s an ally. But you named some good villains, all of which I’d like to see although Green Gomblin and Venom have already been done. I’d like to see Morbius. Having him would be a great way of having Felicia in a larger role en rute to becoming the Black Cat, which would mean Kingpin and his assistant (either Smythe or Herbert Landen) and The Cat (her father) would have to be in the movie as they played a role in her transformation.

And Black Cat is not a villain. She’s an ally. But you named some good villains, all of which I’d like to see although Green Gomblin and Venom have already been done. I’d like to see Morbius. Having him would be a great way of having Felicia in a larger role en rute to becoming the Black Cat, which would mean Kingpin and his assistant (either Smythe or Herbert Landen) and The Cat (her father) would have to be in the movie as they played a role in her transformation.

Black Cat is more of a… shall we say, frenemy rather than an ally (which would be boring remember, they’ll prolly change a lot of things because Catwoman)

Kingpin is now part of Daredevil’s tale in the MCU and unless his role expands to the movies (I hope, because that’s the best villain Marvel has) I feel he’s going to stay there.

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That cover (a common poster I saw at the local theaters) should be a motion poster.
The background Ultrons need to be animated.
That’s the only way it will work.

You know what’s even worse, the fact that the ‘other variant’ of the poster is just switching Iron Man around for Cap in front. Seriously, this is it.

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It is understandable if you want some people to like Iron Man over Cap before they have to pick sides in Civil War but does that excuse the marketing team for not making a single alternative poster, no.

And let’s face it, barring some crazy Stark meltdown into a wimp (Iron Man 3), no one is going to pick goody two shoes Cap over Iron Man no matter what.

And then to top it off they use the same sucky thing and slap some kiddy text on it and voila, album art.
Seriously, if Tyler was half as dedicated to making his scores look good as he does his hair…

no one is going to pick goody two shoes Cap over Iron Man no matter what.

I choose Cap… 🙁

Fake "leaked" post-end credits scene for Avengers: AoU.
https://youtu.be/cyQpYe_pH9w

Originated from Spanish-speaking territory.
Could be a low-budget parody movie for all we know.
It’s not like North America knows every movie that comes out of any place where Spanish (and its dialects) is the most-spoken/official language.

I also thought that Marvel doesn’t want to include Spiderman ever?
https://variety.com/2015/film/news/details-spider-man-appear-in-sony-and-marvel-movies-1201429039/

Dude, that article’s old. Since then Sony has given up on their Spidey franchise and have turned the character over to Marvel.

Marvel’s Spider-Man is slated for 2017.

I choose Cap… 🙁

https://31.media.tumblr.com/2b91d8f7f20e85eb631ba5f4978dd400/tumblr_inline_n3aatyQh9y1szanga.gif

Dude

1) Don’t call me that.
2) Don’t call me "bro" either.
3) I never understand these words.
4) Where did they come from?
5) Why do people use them?
6) What does it change from your normal vernacular?
7) How effective is this every time you use words like this.

8) It was the top article I could find on the rights when using Google.ca so probably not as accurate as Google.com.
9) I find that country/regional Google is different compared to .com (USA) all the time.

10) There is only one Dude.

And that would be Hurley from Lost.

:notgood:

No? Hmm, who else could it be?

Hippy Jeff Bridges.

Thunderbolt & Lightfoot, Starman, Tron? It’s right on the tip of my mind.

You have a kack for playins fucking stupid, don’t you?

I choose Cap… 🙁

Same here. I’d side with Cap over Stark

https://31.media.tumblr.com/2b91d8f7f20e85eb631ba5f4978dd400/tumblr_inline_n3aatyQh9y1szanga.gif

His character. His values. His personality. Not to mention, he’s a fossil. He’s old fashioned like me. He just seems like a genuinely really good guy. Everyone loves Stark, but he’s too arrogant.

So it appears Skeley and I are on Team Cap and Helix is on Team Stark. Who else is on Team Stark?

His character. His values. His personality. Not to mention, he’s a fossil. He’s old fashioned like me. He just seems like a genuinely really good guy.

Good guys are booooring.

Plus it’s not like Stark’s eeeevil or anything. Civil War will be interesting because it’ll have no clear heros and villains. It’ll just be two super-dudes each with his own agenda, an approach that I’ve always wanted for superhero movies (Nolan came close and Marvel’s Daredevil very, but that tiny leap is still uncrossed). Cap is predictable and no-one including Tony has any idea what Stark will do. He is much more interesting than Cap whose uniqueness ended with him crashing that aircraft in ice. Seriously, CA:TWS could basically have any other generic hero in the lead and the story would work just as well.

http://media0.giphy.com/media/HqaQlcSQq441O/200.gif

Everyone loves Stark, but he’s too arrogant.

Nay. Awesome, he is.

http://33.media.tumblr.com/411c59da834690de5cc07bea8e60399f/tumblr_ngh94ofFm31suq1mqo3_500.gif

and he has a kick-ass suit which doesn’t hurt

In other news, besides realizing that Iron Man 3’s entire story was basically a knee-jerk reaction to Cap’s comment to Stark
Big man in a suit of armour. Take that off, what are you? Elfman’s work sounds cool (if not cool-er) and the difference is just there. Production techniques and everything. It seems Tyler’s re-using the Iron Man 3 theme and Elfman’s using the Avengers theme (which is awesome).

You have a kack for playins fucking stupid, don’t you?

No, no, no, this will not do. It’s "you have a knack for playing fucking stupid, don’t you?"

If you’re going to be rude and insulting at least spell correctly.

Heh, nice one. Forgot about that exchange in Monsters, Inc.

1) Don’t call me that.
2) Don’t call me "bro" either.

Don’t worry. I draw the line at ‘bro’.

Simple announcement regarding the Avengers: Age of Ultron’s Original Motion Picture Soundtrack by Brian Tyler and Danny Elfman.

If you are a member of music streaming services (such as Spotify (http://open.spotify.com/album/1UaUCko4qqWnT2gJKmaQLT)) or online distribution services (such as iTunes) in and from the following countries, you may have access to it right now.

Australia
New Zealand
Malaysia
Singapore
Taiwan
Hong Kong
Philippines

For example, here are iTunes links for Singapore (https://itunes.apple.com/sg/album/avengers-age-ultron-original/id985170816?ign-mpt=uo%3D2), Malaysia (https://itunes.apple.com/my/album/avengers-age-ultron-original/id985170816?ign-mpt=uo%3D2), Australia (https://itunes.apple.com/au/album/avengers-age-ultron-original/id985170816?ign-mpt=uo%3D2) and New Zealand (https://itunes.apple.com/nz/album/avengers-age-ultron-original/id985170816?ign-mpt=uo%3D2).

And as always, remember to Hail Hydra every once in awhile. Keep the spirit alive.

If the early reviews are correct, I and Potter were wrong about who dies in [I]AoU[/I[I]. Disappointing, because Marvel then took the easy way out.

If the early reviews are correct, I and Potter were wrong about who dies in [I]AoU[/I[I]. Disappointing, because Marvel then took the easy way out.

That’s a relief. I’m so glad she doesn’t.

But for now, now that it’s truly hitting theatres, I think I’m going to bow out of this thread until I’ve caught up with the MCU properly. Spoilers are the worst, and I don’t want to stop you guys from having nice discussions about AoU.

I’ll be back…

See you later, Auh-nold. (Give my regards to Sarah and the gang.)

See you later, Auh-nold. (Give my regards to Sarah and the gang.)

Wait…what?!

Good guys are booooring.

How right you are: First Responders, Emergency Medical Techs, Police, Firemen, Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, Marines, Coast Guard, Nurses, Doctors Without Borders . . .

– the true 1%, the responsible people who run toward trouble, instead of the 99%, the irresponsible ones, who run away from trouble while taking selfies and later posting snarky comments in safety . . .

– the 1% who shoulder and accept the weight of their actions while the 99% search for scapegoats and avoid responsibility . . .

– the winter soldiers who unlike "the summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country" – Thomas Paine – do the right thing, not, to paraphrase a certain President, because it is easy but because it is hard . . .

You are right. Good guys are so booooring because they are responsible because you can count on them and reliability is such a booooring quality.

But when the world dials 9-1-1 it’s the good guys who pick up and answer the call, not the bad guys.

Oh dear god, I wasn’t making some moral (or amoral?) statement or anything. It’s just that in any fictional setting, usually the good guys are boring. That’s not to say that good guys are not appreciated or needed in real life.

Traditional ‘heroes’ a.k.a. the good guys, have been repetitive and predictive in that they always choose the ‘right’ thing to do, always make choices that are obvious and are very much the law-abiding citizens and moral examples we should all look up to type. ‘Villains’ a.k.a. the bad guys, are far more interesting in that they cannot be relied upon to be consistent or rational. Villains are traditionally more fleshed out than heroes and their agendas and their logic is far more complex than the heroes’ usually.
Now, sometimes that’s not the case. Good literature usually doesn’t have clear good guys or bad guys, it has people. People with motives, ulterior or otherwise. People with history and rationale to dictate their actions. Not all they do is bad, neither is it all good. Everyone has an agenda they live for.

In this case, specifically dealing with the Cap vs Iron Man, again there are no clear signs to point out who we should obviously side with. Both have loyal fans with their own reasons for liking their guy.
I won’t speak for anyone else, but Stark has my vote (lol no helix you idiot this isn’t an election or anything). He’s stylish. The definition of cool. Easily the funniest (and fun-nest) of the bunch. Maybe a little too arrogant but is he not the guy who saved the Avengers by flying into that wormhole, or the one to save his own life (or body) multiple times without help from S.H.I.E.L.D. etc., or the only one of the four to not be simply handed a gift but using his intellect to use his inventions to make him super. We can maybe let some of that attitude slide. Despite his apparent moral ambiguities, he does have principles he adheres to. Maybe some of that older, less mature Stark may seep through once in awhile but that’s okay. He never diverges too much. He has lived a much detached life, abandoning responsibility without a care in the world. Now, he’s got people he cares for. Friends, comrades, Pepper. And for them, and the rest of humanity (that he doesn’t hate either), he will suit up and he will do what needs to be done.

Dear RDJ,

I publicly apologise on behalf of all Brits for that insolent excuse for an interviewer on Channel 4 yesterday. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALBwaO-rAsE) His behaviour was utterly unacceptable and inappropriate, and I am in full support of your subsequent decision to walk out. Well done for standing up to him and not bowing to the pressure of the cameras.

You said near the beginning of the interview that you’re not Iron Man. I respectfully disagree – you are Iron Man, and yesterday you proved it once and for all.

On behalf of British television,
Your biggest fan

That’s the same ass who bothered Quentin Tarantino (https://youtu.be/u7ER_q0B1-I) awhile ago. Look at that dumb tie he’s wearing too in the RDJ interview.

You said near the beginning of the interview that you’re not Iron Man. I respectfully disagree – you are Iron Man, and yesterday you proved it once and for all.

He’s not Iron Man, but he sure as hell is Tony Stark.

The reason RDJ is so good at the role is because that’s the way he is in real life: witty, sarcastic, slightly cynical, etc.

That’s the same ass who bothered Quentin Tarantino (https://youtu.be/u7ER_q0B1-I) awhile ago. Look at that dumb tie he’s wearing too in the RDJ interview.

He’s not Iron Man, but he sure as hell is Tony Stark.

The reason RDJ is so good at the role is because that’s the way he is in real life: witty, sarcastic, slightly cynical, etc.

Tony Stark is Iron Man. The suit and him are one. Surely you know that by now?!

I totally agree – his personality is Tony Stark 100%. And he knew that. That’s why he pushed so hard to get the part originally.

Tony Stark is Iron Man. The suit and him are one. Surely you know that by now?!

I did until Iron Man 3, when he… wait, have you seen it yet?

I did until Iron Man 3, when he… wait, have you seen it yet?

Ah. Good point. No, not yet. Thanks! 😉

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Although I’m planning on watching the first Captain America next Sunday evening with a couple of friends. I’m getting there, I’m getting there.

I saw Age of Ultron yesterday. Not bad, but not great, especially when compared to Winter Soldier and Guardians.

I don’t think I saw any of these shots in the film:

I saw Age of Ultron yesterday. Not bad, but not great, especially when compared to Winter Soldier and Guardians.

I don’t think I saw any of these shots in the film:

Whoa, seriously?! That’s like the entire trailer!

So in your MCU ranking, where does it come? 4th?

Whoa, seriously?! That’s like the entire trailer!

The original cut of AoU was 3 hours+. When your movie is that long before editing begins, there’s bound to be deleted material in the trailers. I hope there’s an extended edition sometime…

My ranking?

11) Iron Man 3
10) The Incredible Hulk
9) Thor
8) Age of Ultron
7) The Avengers
6) The Dark World
5) Iron Man 2
4) The First Avenger
3) Guardians of the Galaxy
2) Iron Man
1) The Winter Soldier

I saw Age of Ultron yesterday. Not bad, but not great, especially when compared to Winter Soldier and Guardians.

I don’t think I saw any of these shots in the film:

I also saw AOU yesterday, and I agree that is was okay but not great. I won’t go into details of what I liked (or didn’t) yet since I image a lot of people haven’t seen it yet. As far as the shots from the trailer, I think the shot of Thor in the pool was in the film wasn’t it? The others ones I didn’t see either.

The original cut of AoU was 3 hours+. When your movie is that long before editing begins, there’s bound to be deleted material in the trailers. I hope there’s an extended edition sometime…

I image that there will be deleted scenes under the special features on the Blu-Ray if no the DVD also. I doubt there will be an actual extended cut though…[/QUOTE]

The film was entertaining but it’s a step backward for Marvel. Instead of meaningful change, Whedon just rearranged the deck chairs.

woah

Martin Freeman’s in Civil War. (http://marvel.com/news/movies/24562/martin_freeman_joins_marvels_captain_america_civil _war)

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Martin Freeman’s in Civil War. (http://marvel.com/news/movies/24562/martin_freeman_joins_marvels_captain_america_civil _war)

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Hopefully he gets more screen time than Kretschmann who played Baron Strucker for all of three minutes.

i don’t know if the list is posted on this thread, but it’s worth posing anyways:

Phase 1:
Iron Man
The Incredible Hulk
Iron Man 2
Thor
Captain America
The Avengers

Phase 2:
Iron Man 3
Thor: The Dark World
Captain America: The Winter Soldier
Guardians of The Galaxy
The Avengers: Age of Ultron
Ant Man – July 17, 2015

Phase 3:
Captain America: Civil War – May 6, 2016
Doctor Strange – November 4, 2016
Guardians of the Galaxy 2 – May 5,2017
Thor: Ragnarok – July 28, 2017
Black Panther – November 3, 2017
The Avengers: Infinity War: Part 1 – May 4th 2018
Captain Marvel – July 6, 2018
Inhumans – November 2, 2018
Avengers: Infinity War: Part 2 – May 2019

Joss Whedon closed his Twitter account apparently because of a flood of negative comments about Avengers: AoU including death threats. The focus of the outrage, other than the usual knee-jerk, involuntary muscle spasm, exposed raw nerve state than so many social media users wallow in, is the treatment of Black Widow. Natasha’s forced sterilization by her handlers and her declaration that she’s a "monster" seem to be the main drivers of discontent.

Jeremy Renner’s comments that Black Widow is a "slut" haven’t helped.

So, does that make James Bond a slut?

@Killgrave:
of course good guys in RL are not boring but needed and much appreciated.

In movies or novels, people tend to appreciate the good guy who has the potential to be something else than good but STILL is good because he decides so.
To be good just because you are good and do not have the ability for more, in novels and movies: can be boring indeed.

Actually, for me personally, I prefer people with the ability of abysses, too 😀
less one-dimensional. Even if more difficult.

That does make Tony Stark interesting.
And that does make black widow interesting, as she supports the "uncontrolable" Hulk-part too and sometimes – just sometimes – finds Banner "boring" (but sweet)

anyway, I like Marvel Universe (as far as I know it), although I am no savvy there.

And of course James Bond is a slut.
We all would be, at times, if we could, wouldn’t we.

But there is the old and persistent devil of the double standard: if a guy sleeps around, society calls him a player. If a woman engages in the same behavior, society calls her a slut. If a guy plays hardball in business, he’s a tough negotiator. If a woman does the same, she’s cold, an ice princess, a man hater.

I could go on but you get my point. When women demonstrate the traits society admires and promotes in men, society, in general, criticizes women.

Or as one female Captain I worked for said: "When a guy gives an order, he’s being firm, decisive, a leader. When I give an order, I’m a castrating bitch."

@Killgrave: that still is very true of course! No argument here…

it will still be true when I die, as I know, stuff like that takes several generations to change.

Phase 3:
Captain America: Civil War – May 6, 2016
Doctor Strange – November 4, 2016
Guardians of the Galaxy 2 – May 5,2017
Thor: Ragnarok – July 28, 2017
Black Panther – November 3, 2017
The Avengers: Infinity War: Part 1 – May 4th 2018
Captain Marvel – July 6, 2018
Inhumans – November 2, 2018
Avengers: Infinity War: Part 2 – May 2019

These are the old release dates. The Sony/Marvel Spider-Man reboot has taken Thor’s release date, Thor has taken Black Panther’s, Black Panther has taken Captain Marvel and Captain Marvel has taken Inhumans. The revised list is:

Captain America: Civil War – May 6, 2016

Doctor Strange – November 4, 2016

Guardians of the Galaxy 2 – May 5, 2017

Spider-Man – July 28, 2017

Thor: Ragnarok – November 3, 2017

Avengers: Infinity War Part 1 – May 4, 2018

Black Panther – July 6, 2018

Captain Marvel – November 2, 2018

Avengers: Infinity War Part 2 – May 3, 2019

Inhumans – July 12, 2019

Thanks for the revision

Saw Avengers: Age of Ultron. Here’s my take. Will try to keep this spoiler-free but those that’ve seen it, will get it.

This may take awhile.

Two words, not impressed. Reminded me more of the flaws in the original Avengers. Felt like it was too cramped, so many things were put in there that weren’t needed. I happened to be late so I kinda missed the first ten minutes or so, but caught on almost immediately but still, some stuff like the farm and that whole dude from Wakanda thing were too much. A lot of stuff from the trailers wasn’t there either which makes me think the movie was much longer and was shortened (maybe that version spaces things out better).
Ultron did not turn out to be the great villain we were promised. He was no better than the equally forgettable villain, Malekith from Thor:The Dark World. Ultron in the end didn’t have a convincing justification for why he suddenly(as usual with these kinds) wanted to kill everyone. Some are okay but here we have way too many homages to the original one that sort of gets boring after a while. A lot of deus ex machina too. Some good cameos that sort of helped convince us that the Marvel universe is not just a sandbox for which ever hero/es are in the movie. The whole Hulkbuster sequence was cool and fun action with lots of things blowing up, but again pointless and fluff.
Joss Whedon was undoubtedly a little more than ‘exhausted’ for this one and no one can blame him. He’s been firing on all cylinders constantly since 2010. Add that to the fact that he happens to be a little workaholic (for god’s sakes, he made an entire other movie whilst shooting the Avengers). That’d take a toll on just about anyone.

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The cinematography and action choreography was stunning this time around much better than the 2012 outing. There’s a great continuous action shot (which seems to be all the rage these days) which serves as this movie’s version of the iconic revolving money shot from the last one. Generally, the camera work seems to be much better and I for one am glad that Ben Davis decided to this following Guardians of the Galaxy, which also happened to be a job well done.

Let’s talk about the cast, first the new additions.

I expected someone of James Spader’s calibre to do much better than the performance on show here, but maybe the script let him down. He’s scary serious one second and the next he’s cracking a one-liner that just deflates the pressure entirely. His CGI body is cool, but I can;t get over how his seemingly metal mouth moves in a very un-metal like fashion. Like it’s muscle. The voice could have been darkened a little too (like the trailer). The mo-cap work, if you’re familiar with his style, is too much like him in any other role. That is, too human. Ultron also happens to have a ridiculous physique. Those shoulders and that ass, period.

Paul Bettany who used to voice J.A.R.V.I.S., is now the Vision, who is only slightly more interesting than Hawk-Eye (I’m going to really miss J.A.R.V.I.S. and hope F.R.I.D.A.Y. dies a horrible death). Bettany is a good actor and it shows when he’s playing a pink and green skinned, philosophical entity (can’t call him ‘dude’, that’d be racist) with a golden cape.

Claudia Kim is a doctor that appears out of nowhere who is liked by all immediately (reminded me of how Maya Hansen should’ve been portrayed) but again, nobody is really invested in her survival. Or finding out about her personality. Whedon could’ve picked any scientist type dude/dudette from the last movies and given them the same role, personally I’d go with the guy (who is apparently William Ginter Riva) who got screamed at in the first Iron Man about how Tony Stark was able to build it in a cave! With a box of scraps!. Any member of the scientist team of Jane forgot-her-last-name from Thor. Or promote someone from Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.. Or hey, Sam Rockwell’s Justin Hammer could become a good guy huh? Huh? No? mmkay.

The acting work from Jeremy Renner is been so bad in his past appearances in Marvel films that I was hoping he’d be dead by the end of this one. But, he’s gotten a little better. He did Kill The Messenger recently, which was along with The Hurt Locker his finest work. And the improvement shows. Still hate Hawk-Eye though.
Linda Cardellini has always been a good actress and in the role she has here, she’s works well with the material she’s given. Fun tidbit, she was Velma from Scooby-Doo once upon a time.

Robert Downey Jr. is Robert Downey Jr., ’nuff said.

Hemsworth has improved a lot and I’m liking Whedon’s treatment of Thor over his stand-alone movies. He has a sense of humor when he’s around these guys which is just the right amount. Chris is not perfect but the he does what the character and scene demands well with just enough vigor that people know he’s not a simple mortal like the rest of the team. His physique (easily the only one who looks like a superhero) does the rest.

The other Chris, Evans was impressive in The Winter Soldier but seems to take a step back here, back to The Avengers’ Evans.

ScarJo has always been phenomenal, and here she’s even better. But I feel like her character keeps changing a lot. She is much different than the Romanoff from Iron Man 2, or even The Winter Soldier.

Cobie Smulders tries and fails to make Maria Hill relevant. Once again. Which, again, is a shame.
Don Cheadle’s War Machine is prolly for the first time, likable.

All Sam Jackson has ever had to do was to show up and say stuff, he’s cool.

But it’s Mark Ruffalo who continues to impress with his tortured portrayal of Bruce Banner. Easily, one of the big highlights of the film. Planet Hulk needs to happen. And quickly.

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Finally, the new duo. The twins. Even though he tries, Aaron Taylor-Johnson can’t really match the rather brilliant portrayal of the same character by his Kick-Ass co-star Evan Peters in Bryan Singer’s X-MEN: Days of Future Past. Aaron is more serious and more ‘older brotherly’ rather than an interesting character in himself. That’ll be hard to do for any character with just a handful of lines. Some of the CGI work with his super-speed reminds of the way Singer did it but nothing comes close to that amazing scene in DoFP. On the other hand Wanda Maximoff aka the Scarlet Witch is much more nuanced and Elizabeth Olsen gives enough depth to make her a worthy addition to the squad of superheroes. Her powers are silly though. She can get into people’s minds and project whatever she wants, great. She can also do magic-y spell like things with reddish sparks that shoot out of her fingers and either protect her or let her attack her foes. I don’t know, maybe the way the CGI representation was made or the power itself was wrong but this was not Marvel-y (not the comics Marvel, they are nuts, the movie Marvel) more Harry Potter. It’ll be interesting how she develops in the future so her powers can be explored further and the whole shooting bolts thing can be improved.

Now, the music. I honestly think it was not good, at least not as good as the first one. It was a hack job really. I’ve had some time with the score before watching the movie and thought Tyler’s cues sucked while Elfman’s were half-decent. But Whedon ended up using Silvestri’s Helicarrier and A Promise themes from the first one too which was a bit jarring as they didn’t really fit with the rest of the movie’s soundscape. He should’ve been credited as well. Disappointed at the lack of ‘I’ve Got No Strings’ too.

Just like Iron Man 3 (which had quite an impact on this one considering Whedon’s enforcing the whole put-a-joke-everywhere policy seriously), the trailer was much much better than the film. I heard that there wasn’t any after credits scenes directly from Whedon, well, there was, but it was mid-credits and also, the most boring of its kind. Also, when you set a great trend, keep to it.
In the end, the Avengers never felt truly threatened, or in any real danger (hell, one of them takes them, wanted by super-smart intelligence and all, back to his secret pad for a nice little R&R and still everything’s okay) from Ultron who is a super big deal apparently, considering he’s got some really interesting origins. And in case it isn’t obvious, the editors on this film should’ve been fired and never be allowed to touch another Marvel film again.

TL;DR – It is certainly bigger and badder but not necessarily better.

Whedon has been a little forthcoming about his struggles with the execs at Marvel about tie-ins to future plotlines for the other movies. It seems he was right. Despite everything, I will see it again and give it another chance but only because there were two four-year olds beside me during the entire time wrecking havoc with the recliners, crunching used up chocolate wrappers, and generally commenting on every-goddam-event-that-happened.

Screw it, I’m spoiling it. Venting now.

Doing what they did with Hawk-eye, just to make us doubt his fate was unnecessary if you were going to pull someone we never cared for out instead. Before it came out we had a discussion over in the other thread about who would bite the dust and most people thought it’d be Black Widow (which I thought was horrible), or War Machine (which I could stomach). I also believed that they should’ve taken Hawk-eye out. He is the most useless and boring member of the team and I for one am glad he’s out. Let’s hope someone kills him in Civil War.
The whole reason why Hawk-Eye had to have a wife here, is to tell him that she’s a-okay with his crazy ass job and she’ll totes support him any way she can. Totes. No problemo. Despite the fact that her husband happens to have no powers. And is basically the Krillin of the bunch. Hell, Krillin was better. He threw some awesome energy discs.

Oh and let’s just conveniently forget that Tony no longer has the deadly shrapnel in his chest which was the reason he had the Arc Reaktor in there anyway and also that he decided (and promised to Pepper, mind you) that his Iron Man days are behind him. Oh and also, that he blew up all his suits to give us a multi-billion dollar light show.

Black Widow apparently got the origin story everyone wanted. It was brutally abridged and featured an unexpected cameo from Julie Delpy. But served next to no purpose to the main plotline. Wanda could’ve shown her anything (including some things from her ‘gushing red ledger’) and it would’ve worked the same, but not instead we get this bastardized version of her back-story that only helped people ‘get’ the whole ‘they sterilized me’ line. And also, she went from being friendly to being super in love with Banner in a surprisingly short and again unexplained period.

Thor had the same thing, he was shown this party scene with a crazy ass (and unconvincing really) Heimdall telling him that he’s(Thor) causing death everywhere or something. Then, Thor remembers this and leaves the farm to vanish a significant chunk of the movie, then comes and powers the birth of Vision and starts rambling about Infinity Stones, which is great except no-one seems to care about what happened to him. Stay tuned until 2017, for Thor: Ragnarok to give you some closure there.

The great Hulk, who by the way just happens to go along every time Stark has another big idea that could potentially result in humanity’s extinction. And is also suddenly, the great biomechanics expert, I thought he was a nuclear specialist?

Ultron managed to grab Black Widow’s (admittedly glorious but still) ass rather than his progeny of sorts which was priority numero uno until the cradle was in that Quinjet.
Ultron’s big idea was to elevate a small state the size of a meteor raise it and then send it crashing down to cause a shtload of damage. Honestly? A five year old could come up with a better plan to cause some real damage. This ‘meteor’ rises thousands of feet into the air and yet buildings stand, people act normal (dude, oxygen shortages, cold weather, Sokovians are all superhumans it seems) as if it’s all happening in New York on the ground again.

SO they killed Quicksilver. Remind me who cares again. He’ll prolly get resurrected in Infinity War somehow anyway. No one dies if you care about them apparently, where Marvel comes from. At least, Bryan Singer still has him alive and also, many many many times better execution than this one.

And apparently, despite leaving everything and pretending he doesn’t exist, Fury still acts and eventually becomes the top dog at the new(?) S.H.I.E.L.D. if you can call it that. With Helicarriers and shit.

Okay, it’s safe to come out now. Rant over.

Great review – thanks for keeping it spoiler free. 🙂

A well thought review Helix. You presented your points of contention and backed them examples. That’s how you write a review. (A review is not "the movie was awesome/sucked" and leave it at that.)

If you don’t mind I’d like to add a thought or three.

AoU is a step backward for Marvel from CA:TWS. That movie truly impressed me with its level of maturity (for a comic book movie). One of the frequent criticisms leveled at the character of Cap is he is a boring "do-gooder," always does the right thing and never waits for applause, say like, Tony Stark. (Stark is a hero, no doubt, but at the end of the day it is all about the Tony.) Those critics seem to forget Rogers was born almost a century ago and had his character forged by living through the Great Depression. That’s one reason the people who came through that crucible and then that of WWII earned the title of the "Greatest Generation."

Think today’s population could do what that generation did? People now panic when they lose their Internet for half an hour.

Wisely, CA:TWS surrounded Cap with people who are morally and ethically slippery: Widow, Fury, Pierce. Add to that the goals of Project Insight, of verdict first, trial later on a large scale and suddenly Cap’s morals aren’t outdated or naive. He’s exactly the kind of hero you want and need. And since every hero needs a good villain, the film provided one in the form of Pierce. No costume, no hyperbolic speeches, no Red Skull, just a man looking to take away everybody’s freedom because he believes Hydra will bring peace and order to the world. And who doesn’t want that, right?

Unless the order is that of an ant colony and the peace is that of the grave.

But AoU ignored all that. Hydra went from a global threat at the end of CA:TWS to a punch line in AoU. (This is what comes of nuking Zola in TWS, you lose your brain trust.) And Baron Strucker, he had a blink-and-you’ll-miss-it role.

Without Hydra, Ultron was left to fill the vacuum and he should have been the Avenger’s greatest enemy. Instead, Ultron’s character was underdeveloped, underwritten and ultimately underwhelming. That’s one of the film’s many missed opportunities. And there was so much potential. You could have played on the Frankenstein idea, creator and his creation or of contentious father/son relationships (a Marvel favorite) and played upon the Cain and Abel aspects of Ultron and The Vision. (Let me add that the Vision was not a terribly well developed character either. However, since the Vision has always been enigmatic that didn’t hurt the character. Plus, Bettany played him just right, giving the character the proper mixture of nobility and strength. Sometimes, a little mystery is a good thing, but not in your villain.)

Instead Ultron never became a global threat. It’s not good when your villain says "I’m so evil" and does nothing really evil. Actually, Ultron is more annoying than anything else. And his master plan, his Marvin the Martian "Earth shattering kaboom" of a plan, comes straight from the mind of Wil E. Coyote, Supergenius. It’s that bad and makes about as much sense.

Of course, part of that stems from Marvel’s blindspot when it comes to civilian casualties: it refuses to allow anyone ever to die because of the super heroic melees and so while these fights are cool they are without real world consequence. So, Marvel has the Hulk and Iron Man go at it hammer and tongs in Johannesburg and not a single civilian gets so much as a hang nail? That’s just unrealistic. That’s a video game. Marvel should be setting its sights higher.

And when death finally comes its a Classic-Star-Trek-Red-Shirt death and so no one really cares because the death changes nothing. It is an example of poor writing, the kind of stunt death you’re taught to avoid in Screenwriting 101. This is war, to coin a phrase, and in war people, the good, the bad and the innocent, die. But Marvel wants to have their cake and eat it too. All the destructive calories without the unsightly carnage. (Marvel seems to scramble in the film’s third act to atone for its previous "evacuate the city" mantra and it only serves to slooooow the film dooooooown.)

In the end AoU is about maintaining the Marvel status quo, about treading water because for all the front loading the movie does for future films, it ignores the Stark/Rogers disagreement that fuels Civil War. They part as allies without a seed of discord planted. Is their parting of the ways to take place offscreen, between now and Cap 3? Like the takedown of Hydra? I hope not because that would be a cheat.

Finally, it looks like the narrative heavy lifting, the development of weighty themes falls to the Cap movies. The good news is the same writers and directors are not only doing Cap 3 but the Infinity Wars. And perhaps we’ll get an extended cut of AoU one day, a version that makes more sense.

Bottom line, the theatrical version is not going in my Blu-ray collection.

A lot of stuff from the trailers wasn’t there either which makes me think the movie was much longer and was shortened (maybe that version spaces things out better).

I’ve heard that the original cut was over 3 hours long. Did you know Loki was cut from the film? They cut Goddamn LOKI from the film! Why??

He’s scary serious one second and the next he’s cracking a one-liner that just deflates the pressure entirely. His CGI body is cool, but I can;t get over how his seemingly metal mouth moves in a very un-metal like fashion. Like it’s muscle. The voice could have been darkened a little too (like the trailer).

Yeah, the Ultron we were shown in the trailer was nothing like the one we got in the movie. Ultron has cool lines in the trailer; he has jokes at the end of each sentence in the movie. His mouth moves robotic-ly in the trailer; it moves like a person’s in the movie. His voice was dark and sinister in the trailer; it was forgettable and almost corny in the movie.

The one moment of Ultron’s in the film I liked was when he took off Klaw’s arm almost accidentally and immediately apologized, as if he didn’t realize how fragile humans were. I wanted more of that Ultron, the one who though he knew everything in the world but was surprised by the most obvious things – hell, that’d be great motivation for him: a know-it-all who thinks his way is the best, not understanding that the best way to help humanity is to let them evolve and become better. But as you said, his motivation in the film is vaguely defined.

Claudia Kim is a doctor that appears out of nowhere who is liked by all immediately (reminded me of how Maya Hansen should’ve been portrayed) but again, nobody is really invested in her survival. Or finding out about her personality.

I had no idea why they introduced her in the film. They didn’t even bother trying to make her interesting before blowing a hole through her chest.

Cobie Smulders tries and fails to make Maria Hill relevant. Once again. Which, again, is a shame.

Yeah… I feel that, if she couldn’t hold her own in The Winter Soldier, then she doesn’t have much chance at being widely recognized. I’m sure there are people who wonder who she is each time she shows up in a movie, even if they’ve seen all the others. Sometimes I almost forget who she is… A real shame, since she’s a neat character and a talented actress.

Finally, the new duo. The twins.

Scarlet Witch is my new favorite Avenger. Her powers are amazing. Did anyone else catch that neat movement she made after attacking Cap, when she moved back to close the door, but it was sped up or something? Holy shit! That was awesome! Why couldn’t we get more of that??

Quicksilver… man, what a letdown. Very little of his powers are seen, and he spends most of the final battle huffing and puffing before saving Hawkeye from those bullets. Hey, couldn’t he have just moved them out of the way with his super-speed? Why not grab the bullets like DoFP Quicksilver did? I wonder if Marvel gave up making an interesting Quicksilver after Fox made the superior one.

And in case it isn’t obvious, the editors on this film should’ve been fired and never be allowed to touch another Marvel film again.

:this:

Oh and let’s just conveniently forget that Tony no longer has the deadly shrapnel in his chest which was the reason he had the Arc Reaktor in there anyway and also that he decided (and promised to Pepper, mind you) that his Iron Man days are behind him. Oh and also, that he blew up all his suits to give us a multi-billion dollar light show.

Yeah. SCREW YOU IRON MAN 3!!! Christ, what an abomination…

And apparently, despite leaving everything and pretending he doesn’t exist, Fury still acts and eventually becomes the top dog at the new(?) S.H.I.E.L.D. if you can call it that. With Helicarriers and shit.

Yeah. I thought he burned his eyepatch. I mean, I guess he could have bough a new one at the eyepatch store, but isn’t SHIELD supposed to be Coulson’s thing now? I know Whedon despises the idea of Coulson being resurrected, but have some respect for the shared universe, dude.

That’s what I noticed. Whedon doesn’t have respect for the shared universe. None of the characters have apparently evolved since The Avengers. Tony’s still Iron Man – despite the events of IM3, Cap’s still a trusting Boy Scout- despite being betrayed by his favorite organization, and Black Widow has apparently lost all of her badassery skills that she had in TWS. Whedon almost pretends that these events never happened in terms of character development. They’re spouting off one-liners at each other like the Battle of New York was yesterday. You could introduce someone to the MCU by showing them The Avengers followed by AoU, and they wouldn’t notice something amiss at all.

What really disappoints me about this movie is that the trailers looked great. GREAT. Ultron was menacing, the tone seemed just right, and the use of Strings was masterful. In the movie, we get a "Strings" quote out of fucking NOWHERE, Ultron’s cracking jokes that no one thinks are funny, and it all seems very unfocused.

That’s exactly how I felt with Iron Man 3. Great trailers, poopy movie. I thought that IM3 was a fluke, but apparently Marvel’s quality control may be getting lower… AoU was especially disappointing after the treats that were The Winter Soldier and Guardians of the Galaxy. 2014 was a fantastic year for the MCU.

The jokes in Age of Ultron were very hit-and-miss. Sometimes I think Joss Whedon read about something called hoo-mor in a book and wanted to use it in his films. This is what I’m talking about:

*Iron Man shoots bad guys*
Iron Man: Good talk.
Bad guy: No it wasn’t!

HAHAHA. No wait, that’s a little dumb. The best jokes are often the ones made by the actors, not the ones through snappy dialogue. Like when Cap nearly lifted Mjolnir, and Thor got scared. Then Cap couldn’t, and Thor smiled and laughed. THAT’S FUNNY! It was funny because of Hemsworth’s acting, not because of the situation necessarily.

The good news is the same writers and directors are not only doing Cap 3 but the Infinity Wars. And perhaps we’ll get an extended cut of AoU one day, a version that makes more sense.

I’m both excited and fearful for that. Cap 2 is one of my favorite movies, and the idea that the same team is coming back for Cap 3 and Avengers 3 and 4 is amazing. But I worry that they might get burnt out, and produce a lackluster product like AoU.

Fun fact: when Hawkeye kissed his wife, a little boy in the theater I went to shouted, "Ewww!" :laugh:

Remember how fanboys/girls reacted to the news that Quicksilver was going to be in X-Men: DOFP & Avengers: AoU?

Remember the negative response to the character’s costume? (The 1970’s will be remembered for the music – at least the first half of the decade because in the second half . . . disco – and the movies, but never for the clothes: platform shoes? wide-ass lapels? bell bottomed jeans? polyester!!!!) Plus he’s a teenager, an age group not exactly known for sartorial splendor.)

Remember how Whedon’s version of Quicksilver was going to own Singer’s version?

Not hearing those voices now.

Ummm… ok, I really am out of here now ’til I’ve properly caught up with the MCU. Too many unspoilered spoilers. :p

I agree with the general consensus. AOU was a letdown. Not a bad film, but nowhere near to what it could have (should have) been.

Pros:

1. Character Development for Hawkeye.
2. Lots of true laugh out loud moments (1 liners, banter etc…)
3. Most action scenes are much more interesting than Avengers 1.

And then we get the much longer list…
Cons:

1. Plot was convoluted and messy
2. Besides Hawkeye, character’s development stops, or even in some cases takes a step backwards. The Avengers almost felt like caricatures at times.
3. Some action scenes felt choppy (probably from trimming the run-time) and too goofy at times. Which is sad because at times the action was great.
4. Ultron was underdeveloped and underwhelming (Loki and Winter Soldier remain the only interesting Marvel villains). Ultron was goofy and un-menacing. Like a 2 yr old who weighs 200lbs. Dangerous perhaps, but not threatening. Okay, not the best analogy ever. 🙂
5. Hydra went from an interesting new threat, to nothing in the first 10 minutes of the film.
6. My biggest complaint is the horrible 3rd act. It just DRAGGED. Ultron drones became as easy to destroy at the equally forgettable Chitauri. And Ultron’s big "destruction" plot was just dumb. Quicksilver’s death made no sense. My biggest 3 reasons being:
A). Why did he run into the path of the bullets instead of grabbing Hawkeye and the kid and running to safety?
B). We see blood stains on both sides of Quicksilver’s shirt, so the bullets passed through him, meaning they should have also killed Hawkeye and the kid.
C). Why did Hawkeye just sit in the open instead of grabbing the kid and diving for cover? Him huddling over the kid isn’t gonna save his life.

Ummm… ok, I really am out of here now ’til I’ve properly caught up with the MCU. Too many unspoilered spoilers. :p

Probably a good idea. 🙂

Yeah, this thread is a bit of a minefield right now! I’ll be back in a few months’ time… 😉

Yeah, this thread is a bit of a minefield right now! I’ll be back in a few months’ time… 😉

I read this and then went searching for a GIF of that "Jessie don’t go" Geico commercial. No luck. 🙁

I read this and then went searching for a GIF of that "Jessie don’t go" Geico commercial. No luck. 🙁

Is the commercial on YouTube?

Is the commercial on YouTube?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgMVMaK1NnY
What I was looking for was a gif of seconds 19 – 25. 😀

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgMVMaK1NnY
What I was looking for was a gif of seconds 19 – 25. 😀

Ah yes, I forgot to say that I already looked it up and found it. I also found about 3,285,924 other commercials and wasted about 20 minutes. :p

They’re rather good! Strange to think I was in a commercial once.

Strange to think I was in a commercial once.

You as is you or you as in Sulley? 🙂

You as is you or you as in Sulley? 🙂

Me, as in the half of my dual personality that says "whilst" a lot. Not the furry monster half.

Thread revival time

Initial consensus on upcoming Ant-Man seems to be mixed to positive. It seems to be veering into a more comedic territory than the rest of the MCU but I fear Iron Man 3 like gags instead of the good Guardians type stuff. The director has done a good job apparently replacing my one and only reason to ever get an ounce of excitement with regards to the superhero who turns tiny. Peyton Reed, with some stints on New Girl and doing films like The Break-Up, Bring It On, Yes Man and an almost 2005’s Fantastic Four, none of which inspire confidence, has managed to come into this film minus key crew with the same release date as was agreed upon with his predecessor (who happened to have been working on the film for just eight years). The script was rewritten by star Paul Rudd and Anchorman’s Adam McKay when Rudd and Reed joined forces. One of the members of the crew that departed was Oscar winner Steven Price in the music department, so instead Christophe Beck will provide the score. Similarly instead of Bill Pope, Russell Carpenter will be DoP.

Rotten Tomatoes is at 64%, Metascore is 65/100 and IMDb is at 8.2/10 at present.
It’ll be out on July 17. Amazon says the score will be out August 7 (which is weird and incorrect methinks)

As far as I’m concerned, after reading a couple of reviews I’m intrigued. After my main man left, I realized that I had no interest in the film and therefore proceeded to completely ignore its existence up until the first trailer came out. It was also, not interesting at all. More of the vibe the third Iron Man (film, not the awesome trailer) was pushing. The premise sucked, the poster sucked, the soundtrack cover sucked, Beck has one single half-good cue in EoT that’s the only reason I have the damn score in the first place and of course Paul Rudd sucks. I mean, he’s done some good work over the years and has been a part of some really good movies. But he is not superhero material. At all. No idea why Reed thought he was a good casting choice (maybe cause their last names start the same, end the same and have the same length?). Evangeline Lilly is awesome and her career just died after Lost until Tauriel (which was just not well-written IMO) and the forgettable Reel Steel or something. I’ve always for some reason thought Michael Douglas was cool, I’ve watched everything that man’s ever done (including the truly pathetic stuff, I’m looking at you Ghosts of Girlfriends Past). Corey Stoll was alright in House of Cards but if the trailer’s any indication, he will suck. Michael Pena’s character has been appreciated by most reviewers. Bobby Canavale will be Bobby Canavale, loud and seemingly funny. Judy Greer will prolly redo her Jurassic World role all over again. T.I. will bring that ghetto feels to the movie. Who else? Oh yeah Hayley Atwell will appear in yet another Marvel installment further proving what a colossal mistake it was not to give Peggy Carter her very own movie. John Slattery will also attempt to confuse people even further by trying to erase memories of Dominic Cooper as daddy Stark and remind everyone of a little known movie called Iron Man 2.

Ant-Man looks fun. Not epic and serious, but fun. And I’m personally pleased Marvel is trying to stick to consistency and use John Slattery again. I can believe him as an older version of Dominic Cooper. And I did like him in Iron Man 2.

And who knows? Maybe Paul Rudd will be great? Isn’t that the whole idea with superheroes? They start off as people who aren’t the hero type, but then turn into one?!

I actually like D. Cooper but as Stark, meh. Slattery was more forceful and accurate in his approach. The firmness and the aloofness that drove Tony away was there as was the overflowing passion for his work. Cooper’s version is basically another rehash of Tony Stark instead of Howard Stark who was a very different character.

Not Paul Rudd, I give you that.
He’ll always be Apatow’s lil guy or Brian Fantana for me. Or like an SNL version of a superhero maybe.

I’m not sure what to expect from Ant-Man. But I will say this, I have been loving the recent trailers. The early ones I wan’t crazy about, but the more recent clips and tv spots have been making me very interested…

I actually like D. Cooper but as Stark, meh. Slattery was more forceful and accurate in his approach. The firmness and the aloofness that drove Tony away was there as was the overflowing passion for his work. Cooper’s version is basically another rehash of Tony Stark instead of Howard Stark who was a very different character.

Not Paul Rudd, I give you that.
He’ll always be Apatow’s lil guy or Brian Fantana for me. Or like an SNL version of a superhero maybe.

We didn’t see much of Howard in Iron Man 2, but you’re right – what we did see looked very good, and I’m really interested to see him "live" in Ant-Man, not just in old video footage.

I think Paul Rudd will surprise us. Pleasantly.

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I’m not sure what to expect from Ant-Man. But I will say this, I have been loving the recent trailers. The early ones I wan’t crazy about, but the more recent clips and tv spots have been making me very interested…

Same. The early trailers did not look like they were for a MARVEL film. But the recent ones do… sort of. I’m excited for it, at least to a certain extent.

nevermind

That’s an old pic. Spider-Man has since moved universes.

Well A Lot of this Is Still Valid.

Yeah, but MARVEL’s stuff has been rejigged to accommodate a solo Spider-Man movie in 2017.

okay.

Can you find an up-to-date one anywhere?

Not Paul Rudd, I give you that.
He’ll always be Apatow’s lil guy or Brian Fantana for me. Or like an SNL version of a superhero maybe.

Well, as the man said about acting, dying is easy, comedy is hard.

Updated May 2, 2015: So we guess it’s time to remove Avengers: Age of Ultron from the schedule…

2015:
July 17: Ant-Man
August 7: Fantastic Four (Fox)

2016:
February 12: Deadpool (Fox)
March 25: Batman V Superman: Dawn Of Justice
May 6: Captain America: Civil War
May 27: X-Men: Apocalypse (Fox)
August 5: Suicide Squad
October 7: Gambit (Fox)
November 4: Doctor Strange

2017:
March 3: Untitled Wolverine sequel (Fox)
May 5: Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2
June 2: Fantastic Four 2 (Fox)
June 23: Wonder Woman
July 28: Marvel Studios co-produced Spider-Man film (Sony)
November 3: Thor: Ragnarok
November 17: Justice League, Part 1
Unscheduled: Bloodshot (Valiant/Sony)

2018:
March 23: The Flash
May 4: Avengers: Infinity War, Part 1
July 6: Black Panther
July 13: Untitled Fox Mystery Marvel film
July 20: Spider-Man Animated Feature (Sony)
July 27: Aquaman
November 2: Captain Marvel

2019:
April 5: Shazam
May 3: Avengers: Infinity War, Part 2
June 14: Justice League, Part 2
July 12: Inhumans

2020:
April 3: Cyborg
June 19: Green Lantern

DC and Marvel Comic Book Movie Lineup – 2015 to 2020 | Newsarama.com (http://www.newsarama.com/21815-the-new-full-comic-book-superhero-movie-schedule.html)

I’d like to remove Avengers: Age of Ultron from memory. IMO, a big step backwards for Marvel.

I really liked Age of Ultron. It was just a huge fun blast and a pretty great movie. IMO it’s just like the Pixar situation with Cars, Brave and Cars 2 where people consider it to be bad just because it’s not mind blowingly brilliant like Marvel’s other films, even though Age of Ultron is miles better than most other superhero films.

IMO it’s just like the Pixar situation with Cars, Brave and Cars 2

I give Pixar a pass for Cars 2 since all their other films are so brilliant. :laugh:

I Liked Cars 2 LOL Now I Would Pass Brave, Up And Wall.e Any Day!

But The Marvels The Only One So Far (From The Disney Avengers Series) I Hated Was The Incredible Hulk.

Outside The Disney Owned Ones I Pretty Much Liked Them All Except the Daredevil Movie! God I Hated That. I Am Still A Bit Like Wether to See Fantastic Four This Year… Will It Be Good or Not? I Liked The Other 2.

I Am Still A Bit Like Wether to See Fantastic Four This Year… Will It Be Good or Not? I Liked The Other 2.

Don’t waste your money. If the trailers and behind-the-scenes info are any indication, the actors are untalented, the director has no idea what sort of film to make, the writing is garbage, and it’s connected to the FF in name only.

Let’s see how much inspiration the lead actress had to get from reading the source material and learning about who Sue Storm really is:

"I’ve never been a fan of comics, I’ve never actually read one. I was going to for this movie but the director said it wasn’t necessary. Well, actually he told us that we shouldn’t do it because the plot won’t be based on any history of anything already published. So I chose to follow his instructions. The one fact is I am a fan of comic book movies, so it’s very exciting to be part of a movie like this." (http://www.denofgeek.us/movies/fantastic-four/237339/josh-trank-told-kate-mara-not-to-read-fantastic-four-comics)

:notgood:

I really liked Age of Ultron. It was just a huge fun blast and a pretty great movie. IMO it’s just like the Pixar situation with Cars, Brave and Cars 2 where people consider it to be bad just because it’s not mind blowingly brilliant like Marvel’s other films, even though Age of Ultron is miles better than most other superhero films.

Yes, it was quite unlike other masterpieces Marvel has produced recently like Iron Man 3 or Thor: The Dark World, maybe or even dare I say, the entire first Captain America movie except Red Skull (I have a soft spot for Weaving).

Totally /s by the way.

Thing is, we’d totally give Ultron the pass if it was if not better than as good as the worst installments in the franchise except no, it turned out to set a new low for the MCU. And this is coming after Guardians and Winter Soldier, both of which were clear examples showing why Marvel is so good at the Cinematic Universe thing. I know bringing in Shane Black was a mistake and hoped Marvel had learnt from it. I also thought Joss Whedon would realize that he, quite unlike his workhorse characters, has very human limits.

Don’t waste your money. If the trailers and behind-the-scenes info are any indication, the actors are untalented, the director has no idea what sort of film to make, the writing is garbage, and it’s connected to the FF in name only.

Let’s see how much inspiration the lead actress had to get from reading the source material and learning about who Sue Storm really is:

"I’ve never been a fan of comics, I’ve never actually read one. I was going to for this movie but the director said it wasn’t necessary. Well, actually he told us that we shouldn’t do it because the plot won’t be based on any history of anything already published. So I chose to follow his instructions. The one fact is I am a fan of comic book movies, so it’s very exciting to be part of a movie like this." (http://www.denofgeek.us/movies/fantastic-four/237339/josh-trank-told-kate-mara-not-to-read-fantastic-four-comics)

:notgood:
WTF! How Dissapointing 🙁 Oh Well At Least We Had 2 Decent F4 Movies. I Am Interested To Deadpool Tho! I Read Gore Like (Blade and Punisher) So Fun Fun Fun!

But The Marvels The Only One So Far (From The Disney Avengers Series) I Hated Was The Incredible Hulk.

Well then you’re either TEAM BANA or TEAM RUFFALO.

Outside The Disney Owned Ones I Pretty Much Liked Them All Except the Daredevil Movie! God I Hated That. I Am Still A Bit Like Wether to See Fantastic Four This Year… Will It Be Good or Not? I Liked The Other 2.

I thought the last FF duology was perfectly average at best. I preferred Chris Evans as Johnny Storm over Cap though. But this new one looks like a catastrophe. The director (he did Chronicle btw, a movie that has its good things and its very poor things), has had a huge amount of issues while in production and almost everyone involved in the movie is pissed off. Josh Trank, the guy, was going to do a Star Wars spin off but got fired from that gig because he didn;t communicate with the producers well and also Simon Kinberg (who was one of the producers on FF and the SW spinoff) told everyone how bad the FF production was causing his rep with the SW people to plummet.

Agree with SkeletonMan here, don’t bother. Or at least until the home media comes out (out of curiosity that is).

Yes i think waiting for a very cheap dvd is an option here thanks for the imput.

I agree the marketing on FF was/is/will be terrible. Almost as ham fisted, club footed, wrong headed as the marketing for Terminator: Genisys, which, btw, totally occupies that patch of ground known as "not good at all."

However, I will see it. Hollywood and the entertainment media loves to denigrate a film and film makers, especially when they’ve had success. They’re waiting in the wings with their long knives out. I liked, not loved however, Trank’s Chronicle, the actors are good and I don’t believe in pre-judging a film. Trank might have gotten in over his head with his second film being such an EFX spectacle. (Fox should have put an experienced producer on set to help Trank navigate such a massive production.) As for the other two FF films, they were noted more for Ms. Alba’s form-fitting costumes than anything else.

And lest we forget, Mad Max:Fury Road was beset with problems and Hollywood called it a failure before Warner released so much as one frame of film. I hope FF will be that sort of pleasant surprise.

P.S. And wasn’t Ant-Man pronounced DOA by critics? Now, early reviews are saying it’s anything but.

Cars 2 had some bum moments, and the overall feel by the end of the film is a bit of a let down, but it also has some smashing action set pieces and stunning atmosphere. The opening in the Pacific Ocean is pure gold dust.

So is Spidey confirmed – officially confirmed – for Civil War, or is that still a rumor?

It’s just common to call a film bad if the studio/series/director has had a particular good run of films. I’m just a fan of taking a film on it’s own merits and not comparing it to other films. For example: People complained The Dark Knight Rises wasn’t as good as The Dark Knight and tried to make it seem the movie was bad because of this. However, The Dark Knight Rises is a pretty great film despite not being as good as The Dark Knight. I just hate how people expect a studio/director to hit the same level of quality with every film. It’s impossible, even for studios like Marvel and Pixar. It’s just life. I’m an actor, and even though I’ve given some amazing performances that’s no guarantee all of them are going to be equally amazing. It’s just impossible.

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So is Spidey confirmed – officially confirmed – for Civil War, or is that still a rumor?

It’s been confirmed by Marvel. They even confirmed Holland had screen tests with Robert Downey Jr and Chris Evans before they cast him.

The Internet is rarely a place for reasoned and reasonable arguments and/or discussions. Rather, it’s the place to let the Id monsters Hulk out and go on a rampage.

However, I will see it. Hollywood and the entertainment media loves to denigrate a film and film makers, especially when they’ve had success. They’re waiting in the wings with their long knives out. I liked, not loved however, Trank’s Chronicle, the actors are good and I don’t believe in pre-judging a film. Trank might have gotten in over his head with his second film being such an EFX spectacle. (Fox should have put an experienced producer on set to help Trank navigate such a massive production.)

Would you call Simon Kinberg, Matthew Vaughn, Hutch Parker, Robert Kulzar, Avi Arad and Gregory Goodman inexperienced? He had his pick of the litter with producers and they still didn’t like him. Trank left his cats inside a closed set and overnight they caused thousands of dollars in damages. The man constantly kept producers and studio heads out of the loop and on top of that he caused those weird delays. It’s not that the pressure was too much, there was a lot but his lack of professionalism and good work ethic let him down here.

And lest we forget, Mad Max:Fury Road was beset with problems and Hollywood called it a failure before Warner released so much as one frame of film. I hope FF will be that sort of pleasant surprise.

Mad Max, the franchise has been George Miller’s baby through and through and he’d been working it for almost a decade before they could make it happen. Although Miller’s situation is similar (one huge movie and then meh) but is not the same as Trank’s. Trank has one movie, granted it went huge but still it’s one movie. Miller’s biggest film was a sequel and he made a dozen other films (not as successful and frankly in very weird directions that man went) before helming Fury Road.

P.S. And wasn’t Ant-Man pronounced DOA by critics? Now, early reviews are saying it’s anything but.

I still won’t believe until I see it. I admit I’ll be a little biased going in. The same thing happened with Interstellar, I kept imagining another far better version that could’ve been.

As far as FF is concerned, I’d totally see it on the first day, it’s not that I’ll miss it. I intend to watch the crap outta that film someday but considering admittance at movie places these days, I have to conclude that I can’t justify spending that money on watching what every trailer and every bit of news has thus far alluded, it’s going to be a very forgettable film.

And as always, I hope they prove me wrong. 🙂

Well I Finally Saw AOU And…. Well It Was No Where Near As Good As Avengers Assemble. And I Am Not Really Excited For Any Man. But Will Have A Look…

Saw Ant-Man last night. Quick spoiler-free review if you’re on the fence about it:

Even though the trailers were intriguing and I liked the way development seemed to be going, I had little interest in the final installment of Phase 2. I mean, it’s a man who can become small and talk to ants. How can you make an entertaining film about that?

I don’t know how, but they did it. The film was essentially flawless in its plot, characters, effects, and dialogue. It’s much more humor based like Guardians of the Galaxy, though the humor is a lot more subtle here. It’s a different type of funny.

It’s easy to surmise from the trailers that the movie is about Ant-Man stopping an evil CEO from misusing the Pym Particle technology. Sounds like Iron Man. Yeah, in a lot of ways the villain of this film is like Obadiah Stane, but that doesn’t at all mean that Ant-Man is a ripoff or very predictable. The trailers were also very clever about how much of the plot they showed, and wisely omitted the presence of an unexpected but very welcome character in the film’s second act (speaking of trailers, there seemed to be a lot of footage not used in the final cut of the film… hmm…).

I’m not a Beck fan, so the music of this film didn’t really stand out to me.

And yes… there are two post-credits scenes, so stay seated during the credits! The first one is pretty cool, but the second one… it is worth the fuckin’ wait.

Ant-Man will return in Civil War. And I am pumped, baby.

So out of ten how would you place it…..

Ant Man was incredible. It was just a total blast. Say what you will about Marvel, but they know how to make entertaining movies. It’s a perfected art by them at this point.

So out of ten how would you place it…..

A nine, I guess? It didn’t blow me away, but it was still very wonderful and a treat after that travesty Age of Ultron.

Also: did anyone catch the Spider-Man reference in the film? 😀

I hope Shane Black watches this film and learns that THIS is how you make a Marvel film that’s set post Avengers. Not like what he did in Iron Man 3, which ignored the wider universe at every opportunity (even creating plot problems because of it) barring a few references.

I never knew the comics to Ant Man, but I did hear they were more comedic in nature.
It looks like a solid comeback for Paul Rudd that doesn’t rely on being the background character for gags.
Back when he was in F.R.I.E.N.D.S. I never would have ever imagined him being a super hero later on. :laugh:

It’s great to see comedy super heros.
A lot of forever-supporting-cast actors are getting their lime light.

So encouraged by these reviews!! Looking forward to seeing it someday soon. 🙂

And am I to take it that my prediction about Paul Rudd pleasantly surprising us was correct?

So, I just got back from seeing Ant-Man! My review would be basically just a mirror of Skeleton’s (http://forums.ffshrine.org/f76/marvel-cinematic-universe-discussion-thread-176679/12.html#post3007244). I’ll have to let it sink in for awhile before I try to place it amongst the other Marvel Films. It’s hard to give it a star rating because sadly the crowd I saw it with was not a "good crowd". The in-your-face funny moments made them laugh, but the more subtle humor seemed to be wasted on them. So even though I liked the film, the overall experience could have been better…

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Also: did anyone catch the Spider-Man reference in the film? 😀

I did not catch the Spider-Man reference… Could you explain to me please?

Never mind, I googled it. 😀

The in-your-face funny moments made them laugh, but the more subtle humor seemed to be wasted on them. So even though I liked the film, the overall experience could have been better…

The place I used to live at was like that.
Such a boring place to watch movies.

Went to a different theater with different demographics and it was the best experience ever.
Such lively people.

The place I used to live at was like that.
Such a boring place to watch movies.

Went to a different theater with different demographics and it was the best experience ever.
Such lively people.

This theater that I go to is usually very good. But it was weird tonight. First off, the crowd wasn’t nearly as big as I expected. And then they just didn’t seem into the film that much…

I never knew the comics to Ant Man, but I did hear they were more comedic in nature.

All the comics that aren’t about Hank Pym are comedic with a touch of seriousness and drama, while everything about Pym usually has a tragic mood.

Interesting. Looks like Spidey’s intro into the MCU features him fighting Captain America. Spidey’s on Team Stark and he will sport a Stark designed spider suit. Hmmm, figured he’d side with Cap but Peter’s a science nerd and Stark is the MCU’s premier science nerd, so sometimes similar poles do attract.

Interesting. Looks like Spidey’s intro into the MCU features him fighting Captain America. Spidey’s on Team Stark and he will sport a Stark designed spider suit. Hmmm, figured he’d side with Cap but Peter’s a science nerd and Stark is the MCU’s premier science nerd, so sometimes similar poles do attract.

Where’s This Infomation From?

Where’s This Infomation From?

Let me Google that for you. (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Spider-Man+news#)

Thanks But I’m Currently Upping Covers Which Is Really Slowing My Server. So I’ll Check Later. 😀

Maybe the next Cap movie can undo the damage from the last Avengers film.

Interesting. Looks like Spidey’s intro into the MCU features him fighting Captain America. Spidey’s on Team Stark and he will sport a Stark designed spider suit. Hmmm, figured he’d side with Cap but Peter’s a science nerd and Stark is the MCU’s premier science nerd, so sometimes similar poles do attract.

Not surprising actually. In the comics Peter was on Stark’s side before he switched to Cap when he found himself disagreeing with Tony’s decisions.

Maybe the next Cap movie can undo the damage from the last Avengers film.

Do you mean damage, as in to Marvel’s reputation? Or physical damage to the world in the movie? :p

Good to know. I didn’t read the Civil War series. I can see Pete initially siding with Stark but switching allegiances.

Maybe the next Cap movie can undo the damage from the last Avengers film.

What damage? AOU was a fun action movie with a nice story and most of the characters came out much stronger from it. Bruce and Clint feel a lot more three dimensional, Tony’s PTSD is handled a lot better (with him taking huge risks to try and stop a repeat of the Avengers without thinking the risks through instead of getting a panic attack and then getting over it and never mentioning it again), Steve feels a lot more "Man out of time" than in Winter Soldier (where he felt too at ease with the modern world), We finally see the reason for Natasha’s self loathing (with her viewing herself as a machine built to kill and not as a person), Ultron was a pretty cool villain and a great dark mirror of Tony (it’s essentially Tony vs pre-Iron Man Tony if pre-Iron Man Tony wanted to rule the world), Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch and Vision were brilliant. And the film showed the Avengers at their best. They got shaken but came together and saved the world easily and cockily. Which is perfect because it shows how woefully unprepared they are to fight Thanos and why they’ll need backup from not just the other superheroes on Earth but from the Guardians as well. AOU is the middle chapter and a lot of the decisions will make a lot more sense after Infinity War.

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Do you mean damage, as in to Marvel’s reputation? Or physical damage to the world in the movie? :p

Well Marvel’s reputation is fine. The movie made a ton of money and all the critics agreed the movie was good. Just not AS good as the first Avengers and Winter Soldier. Which is fine. You can’t get the gold everytime, sometimes you get the silver or bronze. But you still did a damn good job. And I don’t think anyone will claim AOU is worse than Spider-Man 3, Daredevil, Elektra, Hulk, X-Men Origins: Wolverine, Batman and Robin and Superman 4. And if anyone did, I’d have concerns for their tastes.

As for physical damage… well let’s just say no one will be buying property in Sokovia anytime soon.

You can’t get the gold everytime,

Did You Call? LOL

I can only speak for myself, but AOU is pretty near the bottom of the marvel pack. It was still enjoyable, but it also fell short in many ways. Ultron was so under developed. He had such potential but the film was too stuffed for us to get invested. Banner reverted back to what he was like at the beginning of the first Avengers film, instead of the more confident character we saw at the end. Thor was underused also. I will give the film props for Hawkeye and Vision however. Those two were great. The other avengers weren’t done badly, but neither did they stand out.

Do you mean damage, as in to Marvel’s reputation? Or physical damage to the world in the movie? :p

Well, Marvel seems to be finally owning up to all the physical damage caused by their heroes. (I guess the magic phrase "evacuate the city" that instantly transported civilians out of harm’s way lost its magic. Having conducted building evacuations I know how long those take.) And in Civil War Cap references in dialogue about not being able to save everyone. Apparently civilian deaths triggers the Civil War.

But I meant damage to Marvel’s rep in taking chances with the superhero genre. TWS impressed me because it was a relatively mature look at the notion of freedom vs. security. Cap articulates this when he talks about punishment without a trial and the difference between freedom and fear. The villain wasn’t the Red Skull but a career diplomat who’d learned the wrong lessons from Fury’s methods. And Zola nailed it when he said Hydra couldn’t take freedom from people but you could get them to give it away in the name of security. And by the end of the film SHIELD was gone and Hydra was back and things weren’t looking so good for the good guys.

As for GoTG Marvel surprised me by focusing on a little known comic and hiring exactly the right writer/director to bring it to the screen.

Then Avengers: AoU arrived and pissed it all away. Hydra: gone in the first ten minutes. Strucker: a cameo appearance. Ultron: one of Marvel’s weakest villains to date. Quicksilver: should have worn a red shirt and a sign saying "I’m dead, Jim." And Ultron’s master plan? Throwing a giant rock at the planet? He borrow that bit of genius from Wil E. Coyote? (All that excavation and no-one noticed or felt the slightest temblor? No seismic monitoring in Europe?)

Avengers 2 was the series running in place. Let’s hope Cap 3 sprints for the gold.

I can only speak for myself, but AOU is pretty near the bottom of the marvel pack. It was still enjoyable, but it also fell short in many ways. Ultron was so under developed. He had such potential but the film was too stuffed for us to get invested. Banner reverted back to what he was like at the beginning of the first Avengers film, instead of the more confident character we saw at the end. Thor was underused also. I will give the film props for Hawkeye and Vision however. Those two were great. The other avengers weren’t done badly, but neither did they stand out.

See I thought Ultron was pretty great. And yes the film was overstuffed, but that’s the fault of Marvel wanting a shorter running time and not letting Whedon have the 2 hours 40 minutes he wanted. As for Banner, well he’s clearly in the middle of his character arc. He got confident, then the Africa incident broke him completely making him fall back on what he knows works: Running away to protect everyone. Infinity War will finish his character arc and see him finally embrace the Hulk as part of himself and not another entity.

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Right. You can’t take chances with every film and make it a game changer, because you know, you’ll eventually run out of chances to take. AOU’s purpose was to show the Avengers at the height of their prowess so when Thanos arrives, the audience is aware how woefully underprepared they are.

HYDRA isn’t gone. Agents of SHIELD and Ant Man have made that VERY clear. HYDRA is still out there, it’s just shrunk back into the shadows making them harder to face. HYDRA will have a part to play in Civil War (considering the villain is Baron Zemo). Strucker’s base was not the last of HYDRA. It was the last HYDRA base the Avengers found. Agents of SHIELD and Ant Man proved that this isn’t the end for them. As for Strucker, well the movies never hyped him as a huge villain so it’s ok he’s dead. He was pretty much the first act villain for AOU. Quicksilver died to further Wanda’s character development and will influence her character in future movies. Plus it removes the awkward rights sharing with Fox, Fox is going to use Quicksilver and stay away from Scarlet Witch and Marvel will use Scarlet Witch and not use Quicksilver (for the foreseeable future at least). Ultron’s plan is actually clever. Physics dude. Easiest way to wipe out life on Earth? Drop something big and heavy on the planet from the right height and there you go. And it fit’s into Ultron’s delusions he’s the next step in evolution and his fascination with the meteor that wiped out the dinosaurs. "Whenever the Earth begins to settle, God throws a stone at it. And believe me, he’s winding up." He thinks he has to create a cataclysmic event similar to the meteor that wiped out the dinosaurs to wipe out humanity and let his new species inherit the Earth. In his eyes, humanity had it’s chance and failed so it’s his turn. Ultron is delusional. That’s the point. His plan is insane because he is insane. And it’s not cartoony at all. The Dinosaurs were wiped out by a huge rock hitting the planet. And Ultron didn’t do all the excavating. He built his machine to raise the city in the tunnels under Sokovia that Strucker already had in place and were allowed to be built because when they were built it was almost certainly SHIELD building it.

Glad you liked it. I did not. ‘Nuf said.

I’m still perplexed as to why they thought Natasha and Bruce should be a pair.

I can only speak for myself, but AOU is pretty near the bottom of the marvel pack.

Nothing can get close to the atrocity known as Iron Man 3. That movie…just why.

I’m still perplexed as to why they thought Natasha and Bruce should be a pair.

Until we hear Joss’s commentary on the film, we probably won’t know. But I’m willing to guess it was a mixture of various reasons including: Scarlett Johansen and Mark Ruffalo having great on screen chemistry in the first film, Marveld and Whedon deciding the two were a good match in this universe as it suited the general directions of both of their similar character arcs (both are emotionally distant people who are slowly beginning to open up to others).

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Glad you liked it. I did not. ‘Nuf said.

No offence meant here and I might be completely wrong (even then I’m talking more in general about audience reactions), but it seems you’re mainly disappointed that Age of Ultron didn’t meet the high expectations you set for it. You got a good movie, not a mind blowing one. Which is honestly a problem a lot of people have with movies and something I think needs to be addressed. When a director or franchise has a great run of films, everyone expects every film to be of the same level of quality. The problem is, it’s actually impossible for any franchise or director to do that all the time. Look at Pixar. People dislike Brave mainly because it’s not as good as Toy Story 3, Up and Wall:E, completely ignoring that Brave is a perfectly good film in it’s own right. Same reason for Age of Ultron, The Dark Knight Rises and The Hobbit. People disliked The Hobbit because it wasn’t as good as Lord of the Rings. The main complaint against The Dark Knight Rises is "It’s not as good as The Dark Knight". People disliked Age of Ultron because it wasn’t better than the first film, Winter Soldier and Guardians of the Galaxy. Again, completely ignoring that all these films are perfectly good films in their own right. Filmmaking isn’t easy. A good director, franchise, writer and actors won’t equal a mind blowing film every time. They’re real people. Just like us. Say you did a drawing. Everyone loved it and then pressure you to do another drawing that’s better. There’s no guarantee you will succeed, but you’ll do the best you can. And most people will say "well you did your best, and it’s still a good drawing just not as good as your last". However with films the reaction is more agressive, people get angry and say your work is terrible because it’s not as good as your last. Joss Whedon had an incredibly stressful time making Age of Ultron. He has even called it one of the worst experiences of his entire career. It’s for this reason he quit Marvel and won’t return for Infinity War. He needs some time off. He may return in the future (I think Marvel will tempt him back with Inhumans), but for now he just needs to chill. And when watching Age of Ultron, you can tell Joss was trying his best to hold it together. And he did a damn good job releasing a good superhero film. Most stressful productions lead to a terrible film so the fact Age of Ultron was good is commendable. Joss is a person, he can’t do amazing work 100% of the time, despite giving 110% on Age of Ultron. Same for Marvel. Every film can’t be as good as/better than the previous ones. Because it’s just impossible.[COLOR="Silver"]

No offence meant here and I might be completely wrong (even then I’m talking more in general about audience reactions), but it seems you’re mainly disappointed that Age of Ultron didn’t meet the high expectations you set for it. You got a good movie, not a mind blowing one. Which is honestly a problem a lot of people have with movies and something I think needs to be addressed. When a director or franchise has a great run of films, everyone expects every film to be of the same level of quality. The problem is, it’s actually impossible for any franchise or director to do that all the time. Look at Pixar. People dislike Brave mainly because it’s not as good as Toy Story 3, Up and Wall:E, completely ignoring that Brave is a perfectly good film in it’s own right. Same reason for Age of Ultron, The Dark Knight Rises and The Hobbit. People disliked The Hobbit because it wasn’t as good as Lord of the Rings. The main complaint against The Dark Knight Rises is "It’s not as good as The Dark Knight". People disliked Age of Ultron because it wasn’t better than the first film, Winter Soldier and Guardians of the Galaxy. Again, completely ignoring that all these films are perfectly good films in their own right. Filmmaking isn’t easy. A good director, franchise, writer and actors won’t equal a mind blowing film every time. They’re real people. Just like us. Say you did a drawing. Everyone loved it and then pressure you to do another drawing that’s better. There’s no guarantee you will succeed, but you’ll do the best you can. And most people will say "well you did your best, and it’s still a good drawing just not as good as your last". However with films the reaction is more agressive, people get angry and say your work is terrible because it’s not as good as your last. Joss Whedon had an incredibly stressful time making Age of Ultron. He has even called it one of the worst experiences of his entire career. It’s for this reason he quit Marvel and won’t return for Infinity War. He needs some time off. He may return in the future (I think Marvel will tempt him back with Inhumans), but for now he just needs to chill. And when watching Age of Ultron, you can tell Joss was trying his best to hold it together. And he did a damn good job releasing a good superhero film. Most stressful productions lead to a terrible film so the fact Age of Ultron was good is commendable. Joss is a person, he can’t do amazing work 100% of the time, despite giving 110% on Age of Ultron. Same for Marvel. Every film can’t be as good as/better than the previous ones. Because it’s just impossible.[COLOR="Silver"]

:this:

Nothing can get close to the atrocity known as Iron Man 3. That movie…just why.

eh, better than Iron Man 2. 🙂

eh, better than Iron Man 2. 🙂

Aw, c’mon. Iron Man 2 wasn’t that bad. I actually really quite enjoyed it and it’s grown on me since (not to mention Debney’s awesome score).

You’ve got to admit, there were some pretty good scenes:

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And of course this fantastic deleted scene…

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I had, what I think, were reasonable expectations from Avengers: AoU. Let me explain my train of thought on this and other topics of the Marvel persuasion. I apologize in advance if this turns into a long post.

I’ve spent much of my adult life writing for radio and TV. That means reading. A lot of reading. Reading teaches you many attributes: patience, attention span and what qualities make writing good and of high quality. Good writing is rarely easy, in fact if it looks easy that generally means a lot of hard work went into the final product. (That doesn’t mean it isn’t fun to write and when your writing is firing on all cylinders it’s one of the most rewarding experiences one can have.)

All too often books and movies in the SF or superhero genre got a pass on the quality of their narrative. How often when you’ve seen an SF or superhero movie that wasn’t well written was accompanied by the all purpose excuse "it’s a comic book movie." In other words we the audience are supposed to ignore the film’s deficiencies because the lead characters wear long underwear. (And how often when a TV show or movie wanted to get across to its audience that a character in that film was Prince-Not-So-Bright he was shown to be reading a, you guessed it, comic book.) All too often comic book films played to that conceit.

Some films broke out of that mold. I’d say Donner’s Superman: The Movie was the first. Anchored by Chris Reeve’s spot on performance and an amazing first half it took the genre seriously. That is until the second half when the film lapsed into some regrettable stretches of campy humor. Burton took it further but even he couldn’t bring himself to take the villains seriously and a superhero is only as good as his adversary. (Marvel has a villain problem, more on that later.) The first Blade was deadly serious and that is why, IMO, it’s the best of the three.

Nolan was the one who got it right and rescued the Batman franchise. He got it right because there was no winking or smirking at the camera, saying in effect, all this isn’t real and so it has no consequences. No, in Nolan’s universe, actions did have consequences. Bruce became the Batman but that devotion of justice cost him and Gotham. As Gordon said at the end of Batman Begins about escalation: the bad guys use knives, the police bring out guns. Batman defeats al Ghul which sets the stage for Bane and Talia. The Batman’s appearance creates the Joker. (The Joker said it himself, "you complete me.) The Joker kills Rachel, turns Harvey into Two Face and turns the police against Batman. In The Dark Knight the bad guys won. In The Dark Knight Rises the good guys win but it’s almost a pyrrhic victory: Gotham lost almost as much as it gained.

In the MCU, so far, actions have had little consequence. Much of Manhattan got pulverized in the first Avengers yet not one civilian died. No lawsuits filed. No government inquiries. Only SHIELD & Daredevil dealt with the fallout and DD did a better job of it. (However, if the rumors are right that might finally change with Cap 3.)

Marvel has said it’s films won’t go dark. That’s a mistake. When there are no consequences, there’s no heft or weight to the narrative. As the late Leonard Nimoy said "in science fiction, no one dies." So don’t worry folks, your hero may die in this film, but he’ll be back in the next. However, death or the threat of death makes the stakes real. To DC’s credit civilian casualties are front and center in the upcoming B v S. Superman goes in front of Congress, Lex uses the deaths as a cudgel on Superman, the destruction brings the Bat out of retirement and apparently brings about the creation of Doomsday as an anti Superman weapon.

All of this is my long winded preamble to address the multitude of weakness present in AoU many of which as the product of sloppy and bad writing. And writing is a task Whedon excels at or did until this film.

Here’s what I expected:

Hydra to be the threat promised at the end of TWS. Instead, between that film and AoU Hydra was reduced to a pre-opening title sequence footnote. Strucker, the head of Hydra, made a patented Whedonesque joke, waved the white flag and later died off screen. Hydra, done and dusted. Neutralizing them in the space between the two films is a cheap trick not worthy of someone of Whedon’s writing abilities plus it undermines the potential established in TWS. Also it negates the sacrifice of Zola which is a pretty big loss for Hydra. He was Hydra’s brain trust and strategist. But the decision to dismiss Hydra falls in line with Marvel’s "light touch approach" to story telling. Let’s not get too serious because hey, it’s just a comic book.

Ultron: what a weak villain. Cackles about evil and does nothing. Never gets his hands dirty or bloody. Compare him with a classic villain like Vader. How do we meet the Dark Lord, striding in, wearing the ultimate pimp suit, speaking with the voice of Doom, lifting some poor schmuck one handed off the ground and snapping his neck.

That’s a villain. Even if Vader did nothing else that first impression would stick throughout the entire film. Why, because he committed murder, hands on, up close and personal and not through surrogates. Instead we get Ultron who decides to build Marvin the Martian’s Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator and destroy the world in an "Earth-shattering kaboom." No one fears the Wil E. Coyote death machines.

And "light touch" gets ridiculous during the Hulk and Hulkbuster fight. These two go at it hammer and anvil in one of the most populated cities on the planet, Johannesburg, and the bystanders don’t get so much as a hang nail. Now that really is fantasy.

If Marvel had been smart that battle could have been the spark for the Civil War plotline: dozens killed, hundreds hurt, millions of dollars in property damage, "dammit, these heroes are dangerous and they need to be regulated." And Stark, under the weight of guilt for the destruction he caused, would support the superhero registration act.

But that’s not the only plot thread Marvel failed to follow. Ultron’s hatred of Stark. He mentions it once and then nothing. Stark could have used that against Ultron because let’s face it Tony is really good at pissing people off. Why even bring it up if it’s not going to be used?

And then there’s the weakest plot device of the entire film: introducing a new character just to kill him off. Yeah, I’m looking at you Quicksilver. His death is such a bush league, ham fisted, wrong headed, Writing 101 mistake. Marvel and Whedon should be ashamed of even using it. That’s the kind of tactic that gets you an "F" in writing class. No one cares about Quicksilver, he’s a cardboard character but that’s in line with Marvel’s "light touch" because after all cardboard’s light, doesn’t bleed and when he dies it means nothing and his death changes nothing. (Imagine instead if Black Widow had died or been gravely injured. Now that would have effected the audience. But Quicksilver’s death is a big glass of "who cares?")

My expectations were of better writing, of Marvel taking a chance and upsetting the status quo instead of just re-arranging the deck chairs. There’s a sameness to most of Marvel’s films, a refusal to dig deep into the characters’ psyche. Compare AoU to DoFP. There’s no scene that compares to Charles and Eric argument onboard the jet when Eric confronts Charles, full of self pity, asking Xavier where was he when Trask (rearrange the letters and you get Stark, hmmm) was experimenting and killing all their former students? Charles is supposed to be the good man but good means nothing if you don’t act. In some ways Eric is often the more heroic.

Marvel has yet to go as deep as Singer has with his movies.

So as I draw this rant to its close my expectations are that the writing in Marvel’s films becomes more mature in its approach to superheroes. Yes, the light touch will probably earn the company more money in the short term but that’s short sighted thinking. Pixar has shown that making films of consequence not only make money but stand the test of time. People form attachments to characters that are not real yet because those characters and their stories resonate with the audience, people respond to them on a deep level. (Tell me you didn’t get the least bit choked up when Dorie professed how her friendship with Marlin improved her life, when the toys in Toy Story 3 were heading for the incinerator after Lotso’s betrayal – another great villain -or when Boo looked at Sully and said "Kitty.")

Marvel should try for that level of emotional connection. A "light touch" shouldn’t mean disposable or ephemeral. An entertaining film should extend pass the borders of the screen and into the minds and emotions of the audience.

Aw, c’mon. Iron Man 2 wasn’t that bad. I actually really quite enjoyed it and it’s grown on me since (not to mention Debney’s awesome score).

You’ve got to admit, there were some pretty good scenes:

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And of course this fantastic deleted scene…

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I agree actually. IM2 wasn’t THAT bad. I still enjoyed it at parts. It had a lot of flaws though.

I agree actually. IM2 wasn’t THAT bad. I still enjoyed it at parts. It had a lot of flaws though.

Yeah, but the awesomeness balances that stuff out for me. Just the fact that it’s another movie with RDJ, Paltrow, Johansson, and a whole bunch of Iron Man suits makes it great entertainment. A good popcorn movie. :p

Some of the scenes with Stark and Pepper really stand out. They are really great together – the dialogue and the way they bounce off one another is second to none.

Again, not gonna quote a GIANT post, but I agree with you Killgrave. You hit on most (not all) of my issues with AOU. The best scenes in the film were the quiet, human scenes. Thor saying "but Jane is better", or the farmhouse with Hawkeye, or the scene in the forest with Vision talking to Ultron about humanity. Those scenes stick in my mind, the rest is just a mangled blur. A fun blur, but just a blur. Nolan’s trilogy I can almost replay in my mind.

I won’t quote you as that’ll take up too much space. I’m a university student and my course is film studies. I’ve looked at what makes a film work and the things a film needs to get right to succeed: Writing, directing, pacing, acting, cinematography, design. Age of Ultron succeeded on all of those bar pacing (which wasn’t Whedon’s fault, more Marvel demanding cuts). Marvel is comminuted to making popcorn films. And that’s perfect. The Marvel universe has always been lighter than DC. Marvel is making Comic Book Movies, with more emphasis on the Comic Book aspect. Marvel is trying to make it’s films easy to watch and accessible for new viewers. The only film that suffers any form of continuity lockout for new viewers is Thor: The Dark World as that film focuses a lot on the aftermath of both The Avengers and the first Thor. DC is making deeper movies, Marvel is providing much needed contrast and making lighter movies. And yes, that means not lingering on the consequences of these huge battles (Civil War will do however). Besides, the comics themselves rarely focus on consequences. Onto your weaknesses.

HYDRA was never promised to be the big threat in Age of Ultron. That was never promised or hinted. They were presented as a big threat in the universe, which compromises many movies, seven (apparently soon to be eight) TV Shows and various comic books. HYDRA didn’t play a huge role in Age of Ultron… but they’ve been a huge part of Agents of SHIELD and Ant Man. You’re acting like Marvel has completely forgotten about HYDRA when they clearly haven’t. And Strucker ISN’T THE LEADER OF HYDRA. This is an important fact. Strucker is leader of a FACTION of HYDRA. Agents of SHIELD established there’s several factions in HYDRA ("Cut off one head, two more shall take it’s place" indeed). Strucker was leader of one of these factions. Another faction was lead by Daniel Whitehall (who was the main antagonist of the first half of Agents of SHIELD Season 2) and established that HYDRA was much larger than we thought. HYDRA went underground after Strucker’s death and the assassination of several of HYDRA’s leaders by SHIELD. HYDRA however is still out there and is slowly gaining strength. Grant Ward is currently rebuilding HYDRA with the intention of making it better and destroying SHIELD once and for all. In Ant Man, Cross intends to sell the Yellowjacket suit to HYDRA in order to make a fortune and become the most powerful man in the world. HYDRA subsequently comes into possession of Cross’s version of the Pym Particles which, if they can replicate, can make them a huge threat. HYDRA has not been neutralised. "Cut off one head, two more shall take it’s place." Remember? Agents of SHIELD Season 3 and the planned Mockingbird spin-off will continue the SHIELD vs HYDRA conflict and HYDRA will have a presence in future movies, specifically Civil War due to the presence of Crossbones and Baron Zemo. Just because Strucker’s Branch of HYDRA was quickly dealt with (only because Joss needed to move the plot along and introduce Ultron), the organisation as a whole is not gone. Seriously, Agents of SHIELD and Ant Man have proven that HYDRA is still out there.

Ultron was not a weak villain. "Cackles about evil and does nothing. Never gets his hands dirty or bloody." Yeah not true. Ultron slices off Kalue’s arm JUST because Klaue compared him to Tony. Ultron attempts to kill Helen just because she annoyed him. Ultron was threatening because he was ultimately confused. He was an AI built to protect the world and, due to warped thinking, genuinely believes the world will be safer with no Avengers and no humanity. Yes he’s no Darth Vader, but then again, neither are most villains. A villain doesn’t have to kill someone every time they’re on screen to be an effective villain. The whole point of Ultron was that he had the right idea, saving the world, but was going about it completely the wrong way. This is why Vision was reluctant to kill Ultron. He’s not pure evil. He’s ultimately misguided. Even though Ultron is evil, he’s not pure evil. He’s misguided. He craves attachment to people. This is why he seeks out Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch. They’re like him. Outcasts who have a grudge against Tony Stark. Ultron is resentful of the Avengers and, in his mind, actually thinks the world would be better without them. He even calls them out on how underprepared they are for future threats. "I think you’re confusing peace with quiet." They’re being content with the "quiet" is actually putting the world in even more danger in Ultron’s mind. It’s only when he thinks the Avengers have taken everything from him that he decides to take everything from them and wipe out humanity. Sure, he was always going to wipe out humanity but in his mind he was going to give them a chance to improve. A lot of Ultron’s character is revealed through his dialogue, not his actions. "You take away my world, I’ll take away yours." THAT is good writing. A character shouldn’t have to do something to let us know they’re evil. Look at Hannibal Lecter. We know he’s pure evil from just his first conversation with Clarice. That’s it. He doesn’t kill anyone until towards the end of the movie, but we know he’s evil before that. If your villain has to kill someone just so everyone knows they’re evil, then that’s bad writing. We should get a villain is evil from who they are and what they say, not what they do. Ultron certainly wasn’t the best MCU villain, but he certainly wasn’t the worst. Killian was just evil for evil’s sake and a terrible character overall.

Marvel makes popcorn movies. Light entertainment. Sure it’s nice to have deeper superhero movies every now and again but if they were all like that audiences would get bored of them VERY quickly. These movies are escapism. People watch these movies to see huge fights and tons of action without dwelling on the details like civilian casualties. DC is making darker, deeper movies focusing on the consequences of superheroics while Marvel is making lighter, family friendly and more fun movies. DC is making movies about superheroes in the real world, Marvel is making them about superheroes in a comic book world. It’s an important distinction and Marvel’s lighter tone also helps audiences accept some of the wilder characters and ideas.

As for introducing a character just to kill them off… it’s something movies have done since forever. TONS of movies, novels and TV shows introduce a character just with the intention of killing them off towards the end. Hello Obi-Wan. Hi Gandalf. What’s up Elektra? How’s it hanging Ned Stark? It’s not bad writing at all. If it is, well then Tolkien must be a terrible writer. And George RR Martin. And I really don’t get your obsession of killing off Black Widow. Her death would have added NOTHING to AOU whereas Quicksilver’s did. It furthered Wanda’s character and cemented her decision to join the Avengers. Introducing two new characters and then killing one of them off to help develop one of them is a clever writing tool. And Quicksilver’s death was brilliantly done. When the young boy stares at Quicksilver’s corpse, when Hawkeye weakly extends a hand to him, it humanises these heroes. They aren’t gods. They’re people. They can be killed. Not just the ones who are "normal" people like Hawkeye and Widow, but the ones with super powers. The ones that everyone believes are unkillable because of their powers. It does something that many super hero films fail to do. It makes the heroes human. It reminds us they’re mortal. And it reinforces the "Anyone can die" mentality of the MCU. ANYONE can die. NO ONE is safe. It prepares us for Infinity War when they’ll all start dropping like flies when facing Thanos.

As for audiences forming attachments to these characters, well guess what? They have. Just because you haven’t doesn’t ring true for everyone. People care about these characters. Someone I know, who normally doesn’t care about movies like this, said to me "If they kill off Steve, I don’t know what I’ll do."

Marvel films do have an emotional connection. Scott Lang for example is someone you root for. You want him to succeed and care about him. Same for all the other heroes. These movies aren’t "disposable". They’re great movies and are actually touching the hearts and minds of audiences worldwide.

And my final statement: All superhero movies can’t be mature. If you want this genre to last more than the next 5 years, we need the variety. Leave the dark stuff to DC. Let Marvel be where we go for escapsim and fun. I can say without any doubt, Marvel’s movies will stand the test of time like their characters.

I’m a university student and my course is film studies.

Film Production student right here. At least, I will be in September. Can’t wait! 😀

So…anyone seen "Captain Marvel" lately?

No, nobobdy likes Brie Larson.

No, nobobdy likes Brie Larson.

I was open the idea, but seeing how the movie was executed they could have done it better.
Her personality didn’t connect with me because I felt there wasn’t much to connect to, except during the scenes with Fury and her best friend.

Also, I felt that there wasn’t really any climax at the end for all build-up during the whole movie, which kinda made me feel that they leaned too much on her gender to make her shine instead of her character. In Wonder Woman they at least made her more human in that she made mistakes; Captain Marvel was just surfing through the movie without any character building or visibly going through an emotional journey.

They made her a great all-star in one movie, and somehow it didn’t really feel…"deserved".

The reason she was so stiff was because Yon-Rogg trained her to not react to emotions, but since she rebelled against that very rule(i.e. being more human)in the end, they could have made her…emotional! Like, make her cry when she connected with her best friend, looked at the old photographs or just have a silent moment with Fury, anything! I would have liked to have seen a real human reacting, as she gained her memories back, to the fact that she was kidnapped to a another planet, told lies of how she ended up there and trained her to be an emotional robot.

Also, that "I’m just a girl" song that was played during the spacecraft fight scene kinda ruined my experience abit and I was like "I get it! She’s a girl that can kick ass, just like the boys, you don’t have to rub it in."

I like to immerse myself when I’m watching a movie, but that scene made me self-aware of what I was watching/hearing, kinda like when Shuri screamed "What are thoooose?" in Black Panther.

So…anyone seen "Captain Marvel" lately?

Just today, Mauler on YouTube uploaded his review of the film and he takes his time thoroughly destroying it.

It’s glorious to hear and much more entertaining than the movie itself was.

Just today, Mauler on YouTube uploaded his review of the film and he takes his time thoroughly destroying it.

It’s glorious to hear and much more entertaining than the movie itself was.

Yeah, "Meh" was exactly how I felt after watching the movie.
Normally I don’t seek out reviews unless I didn’t like the movie, because there are reviewers out there that can describe my feelings much better as to why I didn’t connect with the characters, and this review accurately worded my feelings.

Here is the Mauler movie review for anyone interested:
"Captain Marvel: An Unbridled Meh"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Keooxe5x6Ts

Also, Brie Larson(sorry, Plank!) comes off as passive-aggressive which is highlighted especially during this interview:
"Avengers: Endgame: Chris Hemsworth, Brie Larson and Don Cheadle (FULL INTERVIEW)"
https://youtu.be/81WIkfUAc_o?t=130

(Don’t worry, no spoilers where I’ve tagged it at 02:10min. Do check out the clip in full context, in fact not so much spoilers here)

I mean, it doesn’t matter what opinions you have, but it does matters how you say them.
She could have hit back in a joking manner at Chris, but she comes off as off-putting with how she is on her political journey and implementing that into the MCU and in this interview where I feel she is taking almost anything as a personal attack – so exhausting!

I don’t know what The Powers That Be thought when they hired Brie Larson, but I would’ve preferred the following actresses: Mia Wasikowska, Katheryn Winnick, Emily Blunt or even Starbuck herself, Katee Sackhoff.

Last and most importantly, it boils down to the directors and writers(all 5 of them) and how they wasted their chance of taking their time to build up a character, make her relatable, to me at least and write a good story.

Edit: Hey Integrazees!
Just watched a review by a woman from CinemaBlend that brings up similar views of mine, here:
"Why Captain Marvel is Disappointing"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMEyu8HlEPM